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percy toboggan
01-Oct-07, 17:30
I thought this might get yer attention - as it has to be a contender for the peoples popular choice thread - shoppin' and supermarkets.
I hate it when I cause a queue. You know, when the debit card thing won't work or when something isn't right and you just have to query it. I don't like holding people up beyond a few seconds. Are you the same?
How would you feel if you were in Sainsbury's then , with a four pack of Ale in your trolley, or a bottle of wine. As soon as it hits the little conveyer belt the checkout operator holds up her hands in horror because to serve you would offend her religious sensibilities. She is a muslim you see.
Apparently Sainsbury's deploy in 'another member of staff' to complete the transaction. How very understanding. I doubt this less selective employee is lurking nearby on the off chance and it must take a minute or three for them to show up. Thus causing delays and possibly disaproving glances at my four cans of bitter.
I have to ask why the operator applied for the job in the first place, and whether you have a view on this.
I also have to add that I'm happy to shop elsewhere.
connieb19
01-Oct-07, 17:37
I'd be leaving my shopping and going elsewhere. [evil]
I thought this might get yer attention - as it has to be a contender for the peoples popular choice thread - shoppin' and supermarkets.
I hate it when I cause a queue. You know, when the debit card thing won't work or when something isn't right and you just have to query it. I don't like holding people up beyond a few seconds. Are you the same?
How would you feel if you were in Sainsbury's then , with a four pack of Ale in your trolley, or a bottle of wine. As soon as it hits the little conveyer belt the checkout operator holds up her hands in horror because to serve you would offend her religious sensibilities. She is a muslim you see.
Apparently Sainsbury's deploy in 'another member of staff' to complete the transaction. How very understanding. I doubt this less selective employee is lurking nearby on the off chance and it must take a minute or three for them to show up. Thus causing delays and possibly disaproving glances at my four cans of bitter.
I have to ask why the operator applied for the job in the first place, and whether you have a view on this.
I also have to add that I'm happy to shop elsewhere.
valid point there Percy, if the assistant do,est like the trees she should stay outa the forest. she is there to serve you not to express her beliefs on you.
Percy, this has quite often happened to me over the years when checkout assistants aged under 18 have been legally unable to sell me a bottle of wine.
I do appreciate that there is an obvious difference -in that these young people probably would have, if they could have -but the effect was much the same...they would ring for a supervisor, while holding the bottle aloft and yelling "alcohol"! :eek:
Which - as well as causing a delay -could feel quite embarrassing at times!
But would you say that under 18s should not be employed on supermarket checkouts if they can't sell you an alcoholic drink? :confused
percy toboggan
01-Oct-07, 18:00
But would you say that under 18s should not be employed on supermarket checkouts if they can't sell you an alcoholic drink? :confused
Yes I would.Find other rolls in the store for them.
Incidentally sixteen year olds will be allowed to serve/sell cigarettes.
i dont know about you but i always choose the wrong till ..the slowest one where the person in front cannot pack their bags as the shopping goes along the conveyor belt..a price is missing or an item wont scan and the barcode cannot be read..the shopper infront then packs their bags slowly before raking in their purse for their money off vouchers and then their cards ...arrrgghh shopping rage!!
There should be a till which reads - no alcohol to be purchased at this till, then peeps could have no problems with till operaters shouting "Alcohol" or holding up hands in horror etc, and saving embarrassment. Next thing will be peeps who's religion disallows blood foods or forbidden foods refusing to sell them. As mentioned, till operators should be asked if they have any objection to selling certain items before being taken on as till operators. I usually get e woman who has forgot something halfway through piling her shopping on the belt, then runs off to find it leaving everything in mid air... aggh:mad:
percy toboggan
01-Oct-07, 19:00
There should be a till which reads - no alcohol to be purchased at this till, then peeps could have no problems with till operaters shouting "Alcohol" or holding up hands in horror etc, and saving embarrassment. Next thing will be peeps who's religion disallows blood foods or forbidden foods refusing to sell them. As mentioned, till operators should be asked if they have any objection to selling certain items before being taken on as till operators. I usually get e woman who has forgot something halfway through piling her shopping on the belt, then runs off to find it leaving everything in mid air... aggh:mad:
why should small minorities be catered for when the law of this land says alcohol can be purchased by any person over the age of eighteen?
If a person chooses to follow a faith wholly alien this country a relatively short time ago and then asserts to impose their minority view on the rest of us then we have a severe case of tail wagging dog.
What next? Tills devoted to Pork Scratchings only ? The whole scenario is a complete and utter nonsense and further proof that we are going nuts as a nation.
why should small minorities be catered for when the law of this land says alcohol can be purchased by any person over the age of eighteen?
If a person chooses to follow a faith wholly alien this country a relatively short time ago and then asserts to impose their minority view on the rest of us then we have a severe case of tail wagging dog.
What next? Tills devoted to Pork Scratchings only ? The whole scenario is a complete and utter nonsense and further proof that we are going nuts as a nation.
Nice to see you doing you bit for race relations and general harmony percy!
Have you considered a job in the diplomatic corps?...or perhaps a job with the UN?:eek:
Karia
Yes I would.Find other rolls in the store for them.
White or brown?
(sorry couldn't help myself)
percy toboggan
01-Oct-07, 19:20
White or brown?
(sorry couldn't help myself)
Neither can I. I prefer the brown ones with bits in.
(Not a bad gad gag though, actually - nice nickname too)
White or brown?
(sorry couldn't help myself)
LOL Serenity! :lol:
I was very surprised recently to hear of the gentleman in his 70s who was not allowed to buy 2 bottles of wine in a supermarket, because he would not confirm that he was over 21!
The checkout assistant had apparently insisted on this and he had refused, since he was plainly a good 50 years over the legal age for buying alcoholic beverages. The manager was called, the man wouldn't comply and say "I am over 21", upon which the manager returned the offending bottles to the shelf....so the customer left all his shopping...and walked out of the shop.
I don't blame him!
Another case of common sense flying out of the window ....?:roll:
lady penelope
01-Oct-07, 19:48
The store I work in allows under 18's to sell alcohol. They just ask for 'authorisation' or 'permission', usually the nearest over 18 staff member.
As for holding up a queue - take as long as you like. The people behind have probably 'faffed' and held up queues themselves![lol]
If I'm holding up other people behind me I just smile sweetly. It always works for me.
Never apologise - then it means it's your fault:D
I thought this might get yer attention - as it has to be a contender for the peoples popular choice thread - shoppin' and supermarkets.
I hate it when I cause a queue. You know, when the debit card thing won't work or when something isn't right and you just have to query it. I don't like holding people up beyond a few seconds. Are you the same?
How would you feel if you were in Sainsbury's then , with a four pack of Ale in your trolley, or a bottle of wine. As soon as it hits the little conveyer belt the checkout operator holds up her hands in horror because to serve you would offend her religious sensibilities. She is a muslim you see.
Apparently Sainsbury's deploy in 'another member of staff' to complete the transaction. How very understanding. I doubt this less selective employee is lurking nearby on the off chance and it must take a minute or three for them to show up. Thus causing delays and possibly disaproving glances at my four cans of bitter.
I have to ask why the operator applied for the job in the first place, and whether you have a view on this.
I also have to add that I'm happy to shop elsewhere.
I think it is a load of nonsense. After all, there is a layer of tin or glass between the operators hands and the "evil brew".
As said already, where would you draw the line? eg "I refuse to sell you those faggots Sir, because it would offend me, as a card carrying anti-homosexual"
I recall a good few years ago when one of the stores in the County refused to stock Smokey Bacon crisps because they were Muslim. That was their choice of course, but the funny thing was that they stocked Gammon flavour crisps for years, totally unaware of what Gammon was!!
Incidentally, I think that the law on cigarettes has just changed and you need to be 18 to buy them now. That should put checkout operators under the age of 18 in the same position as it is for alcohol. I remember that Somerfield's young operators used to have to hold the firewater aloft and roar the magic code 66 in order to gain the temporary superpower of being able to scan the "electric soup" without penalty. I jokingly suggested to one lassie that the number should be changed to 666 but I don't think she got what I was on about. Perhaps for fags, a button that resulted in the playing of the song "Puff The Magic Dragon" would suffice to alert supervisors that the Melvyn Braggs were on the conveyor belt.
I had an example of this in my local safeway strore-only my 'no no way' was a ready cooked chicken-well wrapped an still hot-passed it last of all along conveyor at checkout, an the operator started having the vapours big time-she was a vegetarian an so had big time troubles handling this purchase of mine. My youngest daughter-with me at the time knew the girl personally an tried reasoning with her- we got there eventually but it left a big question mark- was the till operator fit for purpose or immensly strong in her principles an there no fit for purpose. I sympathised with her-but I wanted to buy what the store had on sale,an she was giving me aggro!
did the sausages and bacon go through ok??
I had an example of this in my local safeway strore-only my 'no no way' was a ready cooked chicken-well wrapped an still hot-passed it last of all along conveyor at checkout, an the operator started having the vapours big time-she was a vegetarian an so had big time troubles handling this purchase of mine. My youngest daughter-with me at the time knew the girl personally an tried reasoning with her- we got there eventually but it left a big question mark- was the till operator fit for purpose or immensly strong in her principles an there no fit for purpose. I sympathised with her-but I wanted to buy what the store had on sale,an she was giving me aggro!
I don't mind Vegetarians but I think some of them take it a bit far in advertising their status. I remember a guy in an Orkney pub who ordered a plate of Macaroni Cheese. Fair do's. After it arrived he legged it up to the Bar with the plate and demanded, rather loudly, to know whether there was any meat in the dish!!
"Oh sorry Sir, forgot to take that 10 OZ Sirloin out from under that strand of Macaroni". Honestly, it's a wonder that he wasn't crying "Murderer" at me as I tucked into a Lasagne that was non-Linda McCartney in origin, ie edible.
Murchiemannie
01-Oct-07, 21:50
Happenened to me in Asda Aberdeen. Had a full trolley which went through no probs. then I decided to "top up" my mobile card along with the shopping.........and the till started to have a heebie jeebie and went into meltdown...it was going crazy and the queue was getting bigger and bigger.To cut a long story short we had to unpack everything from the bags put it back into the trolley and go down the escalator to the ground floor escorted by an assistant to have the whole lot minus my top-up put through all over again......sooooooo embarrassing!!!![disgust]
If you avoided the till being manned by a muslim member of staff would you then be viewed as racist all because you are looking to get your shopping plus tinnies out of the shop in one smooth transaction.
A member of staff who can't perform a basic task should not be in the job, it's like me taking a job as doctor but refusing to handle blood.
At the self-serve the other week in Tesco I bought myself a nice bottle of wine, the till thingy bleated for assistance and then asked for my date of birth to be keyed in.... not only am I obviously over 18 but now they know my age!!
I thought this might get yer attention - as it has to be a contender for the peoples popular choice thread - shoppin' and supermarkets.
I hate it when I cause a queue. You know, when the debit card thing won't work or when something isn't right and you just have to query it. I don't like holding people up beyond a few seconds. Are you the same?
How would you feel if you were in Sainsbury's then , with a four pack of Ale in your trolley, or a bottle of wine. As soon as it hits the little conveyer belt the checkout operator holds up her hands in horror because to serve you would offend her religious sensibilities. She is a muslim you see.
Apparently Sainsbury's deploy in 'another member of staff' to complete the transaction. How very understanding. I doubt this less selective employee is lurking nearby on the off chance and it must take a minute or three for them to show up. Thus causing delays and possibly disaproving glances at my four cans of bitter.
I have to ask why the operator applied for the job in the first place, and whether you have a view on this.
I also have to add that I'm happy to shop elsewhere.That is just so ridiculous, why employ someone who wont serve you alchohol or pork in a supermarket or any other grocery store, she is obviously unsuitable for the job so shouldn't have been hired.
DeHaviLand
02-Oct-07, 00:20
That is just so ridiculous, why employ someone who wont serve you alchohol or pork in a supermarket or any other grocery store, she is obviously unsuitable for the job so shouldn't have been hired.
And theres the problem. Because when you dont hire "them" the Council for Racial Equalities want to know why you dont have a quota of that particular minority. But the problem we have in this country now is that you can no longer speak your mind, or even raise a whimper of dissent without being branded racist, ageist, sexist, sectarian, bigoted, homophobic or whatever other fancy label some do-gooder wants to pin on you. And all so the said do-gooder can prove their political correctness to their fellow moral sentinels.
And theres never a bloody handcart about when you need one.
Buttercup
02-Oct-07, 00:35
What next? Tills devoted to Pork Scratchings only ?
But only if the assistant wasn't Jewish![lol]
percy toboggan
02-Oct-07, 17:47
I was today reminded that Sainsbury's is on the verge of a takeover by Arabs. Maybe this explains their bending over backwards behaviour.
northener
02-Oct-07, 19:30
And theres the problem. Because when you dont hire "them" the Council for Racial Equalities want to know why you dont have a quota of that particular minority. But the problem we have in this country now is that you can no longer speak your mind, or even raise a whimper of dissent without being branded racist, ageist, sexist, sectarian, bigoted, homophobic or whatever other fancy label some do-gooder wants to pin on you. And all so the said do-gooder can prove their political correctness to their fellow moral sentinels.
And theres never a bloody handcart about when you need one.
Absolutely bang on.
Don't want to shoot anyone? Don't join the Armed Forces.
Against nuclear power? Don't work in a nuclear powerplant.
This is Britain. Want to follow a certain religion or 'lifestyle' with a strict code of conduct? Dig out, baby.
But never, EVER attempt to impose your beliefs or lifestyle rules on other members of the community. If you do try it, expect a bloody big backlash and a lot of contempt. If you refuse to fit in......
Absolutely bang on.
Don't want to shoot anyone? Don't join the Armed Forces.
Against nuclear power? Don't work in a nuclear powerplant.
This is Britain. Want to follow a certain religion or 'lifestyle' with a strict code of conduct? Dig out, baby.
But never, EVER attempt to impose your beliefs or lifestyle rules on other members of the community. If you do try it, expect a bloody big backlash and a lot of contempt. If you refuse to fit in......If you speak out against the concessions made to these people then you are branded a racist, I'll risk that, if you are not going to fit in then ship out!!!!![disgust]
Australia has the right Idea and I hope our own weak government follows suit, maybe gordon brown will make a difference and stop the wholesale surrendering of our country to foreign nationals.
Has this ever happened to anyone here? has a muslim lady wearing a veil refused to sell you a can of beer? How many muslims own corner shops and sell alcohol? This is a nonsense story to fill a no news day - even islamic organisations say
"Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute and leader of the Muslim parliament, said: “This is some kind of overenthusiasm. One expects professional behaviour from people working in a professional capacity and this shows a lack of maturity.
“Sainsbury’s is being very good, they are trying to accommodate the wishes of their employees and we commend that. The fault lies with the employee who is exploiting and misusing their goodwill. It makes no difference if it is only happening over Ramadan.”
Ibrahim Mogra, chairman of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), said: “Muslim employees should look at the allowances within Muslim law to enable them to be better operating employees and not be seen as rather difficult to cater for.” courtesy of the Times online.
ITs a story about one particular employee and one particular employer - still i guess its like the story about not eating at your desk at ramadan - it allows all those people who like to find an excuse to slag off all things islam to get on their high horse, fold their arms and look smug and self satisfied as they voice their slightly unpalatable views about "these people" as though they are all one huge homogenous group and not individuals in their own right.
northener
03-Oct-07, 09:45
ITs a story about one particular employee and one particular employer - still i guess its like the story about not eating at your desk at ramadan - it allows all those people who like to find an excuse to slag off all things islam to get on their high horse, fold their arms and look smug and self satisfied as they voice their slightly unpalatable views about "these people" as though they are all one huge homogenous group and not individuals in their own right.
You are absolutely right Squidge.
Unfortunately, Islam is very much in focus because of the problems we are experiencing with a very small radical minority. The media is very good at homing in on the publics fears and suspicions and making 'news' out of it.
The problems arise when a very small and very vocal minority decide to inflict their own choices on to the greater public. When it's a large religion such as Islam then unfortunately some of the poo will (wrongly, in my opinion) stick.
I couldn't care less whether it's veggies, vegans, a religious group or someone with a political agenda. They should not be allowed to manipulate employers to the detriment of everyone else.
As I said before - If you can't fit in.......(fill in the last two words yourselves)
Welcomefamily
03-Oct-07, 09:53
There a good petition on the government e-petition page asking it to get a moral backbone and stop giving in to all this crap.
I like to go to tescos and get two weeks worth of shopping so you are still un loading and the checkout operator cant pack any more until you have finished unloading the trolley to put some more in.
Has this ever happened to anyone here? has a muslim lady wearing a veil refused to sell you a can of beer? How many muslims own corner shops and sell alcohol? This is a nonsense story to fill a no news day - even islamic organisations say
ITs a story about one particular employee and one particular employer - still i guess its like the story about not eating at your desk at ramadan - it allows all those people who like to find an excuse to slag off all things islam to get on their high horse, fold their arms and look smug and self satisfied as they voice their slightly unpalatable views about "these people" as though they are all one huge homogenous group and not individuals in their own right.
Squidge, you are so right, virtually every street corner shop in Leith and Edinburgh is Muslim and Sikh owned, and you get buy a four pack of Bellhaven best, and some bacon & eggs, and your fags as well, as Muslims are not supposed to deal with tobacco either, and even when it is Ramadan, down here the Muslim shopkeepers are business men first and Islamic extremists last. And I personally could not give a hoot who serves me, as long as I get what I need at a reasonable price.
Squidge, you are so right, virtually every street corner shop in Leith and Edinburgh is Muslim and Sikh owned, and you get buy a four pack of Bellhaven best, and some bacon & eggs, and your fags as well, as Muslims are not supposed to deal with tobacco either, and even when it is Ramadan, down here the Muslim shopkeepers are business men first and Islamic extremists last. And I personally could not give a hoot who serves me, as long as I get what I need at a reasonable price.
Same where I am golach (not too many miles away ;))
It's been like this for many years, and as far as I can see it's not changed recently. The Muslim, Sikh and Hindu shopkeepers/restaurant owners in my area are all Edinburghers as far as I'm concerned.
It's sad when outsiders - from both ends of the spectrum -won't accept that ethnically diverse communities can and do get on perfectly well. :(
helenwyler
03-Oct-07, 10:38
Oh Squidge, Golach and Angela:)!!
You've all put it so well that all I can add is Hear Hear!!
Helen
percy toboggan
03-Oct-07, 18:46
"Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute and leader of the Muslim parliament, said: “This is some kind of overenthusiasm. One expects professional behaviour from people working in a professional capacity and this shows a lack of maturity.
“Sainsbury’s is being very good, they are trying to accommodate the wishes of their employees and we commend that. The fault lies with the employee who is exploiting and misusing their goodwill. It makes no difference if it is only happening over Ramadan.”
Ibrahim Mogra, chairman of the inter-faith committee of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), said: “Muslim employees should look at the allowances within Muslim law to enable them to be better operating employees and not be seen as rather difficult to cater for.” courtesy of the Times online.
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Muslim Parliament?? Muslim Council of Britain...crikey...these familiar but overlooked contradictions in terms merely serve to reinforce the thrust of my argument.
What the heck is a 'Muslim Parliament' ? I thought we had one already.
If you want to preach tolerance go to Saudi Arabia and try to establish a Christian Council of Saudi Arabia. Not content that their people have been allowed to live here, work here and prosper beyond the dire levels their homelands can offer they now form institutions which are exclusivist, some might even say racist in nature.
Once again the tail wags the dog.Multi culturalism is a proven failure. Ask Trevor Phillips.
We need one nation, one culture and one parliament. Multi ethnic of course. All colours and faiths now have to be accommodated within it, but not demand any treatment at odds with established British traditions. They conform to us - not the other way around. Otherwise only strife awaits us all.
[quote=percy toboggan;278
We need one nation, one culture and one parliament. Multi ethnic of course. All colours and faiths now have to be accommodated within it, but not demand any treatment at odds with established British traditions. They conform to us - not the other way around. Otherwise only strife awaits us all.[/quote]
Right..crystal clear now percy,
You want One multi ethnic culture..but 'they' have to conform to us!:eek:
How multi ethnic will that be then?
Do you see the problem with ONE and MULTI?
(and suggesting One nation on a Scottish web site is a brave thing to do,
for an Englishman![lol])
percy toboggan
03-Oct-07, 19:18
Right..crystal clear now percy,
You want One multi ethnic culture..but 'they' have to conform to us!:eek:
How multi ethnic will that be then?
Do you see the problem with ONE and MULTI?
(and suggesting One nation on a Scottish web site is a brave thing to do,
for an Englishman![lol])
Brave hearts are not exclusively Scottish.
Furthermore I see nothing at odds in calling for a multi-ethnic monoculture.
If you do then that's your problem, not mine.
The United States of America is a good example of a multi-ethnic monocultural nation. Stars and stripes fly everywhere. Armed forces uniforms are filled by all races.All seem to pull in one general direction.
It's not that hard to understand surely. Mind you, given some of your posts I do see your difficulty.
Brave hearts are not exclusively Scottish.
Furthermore I see nothing at odds in calling for a multi-ethnic monoculture.
If you do then that's your problem, not mine.
The United States of America is a good example of a multi-ethnic monocultural nation. Stars and stripes fly everywhere. Armed forces uniforms are filled by all races.All seem to pull in one general direction.
It's not that hard to understand surely. Mind you, given some of your posts I do see your difficulty.
OOh personal insults!
Always the first response of someone with a well thought out argument.:lol:
karia
percy toboggan
03-Oct-07, 19:33
OOh personal insults!
Always the first response of someone with a well thought out argument.:lol:
karia
You can't count either. The alleged 'insult' was my third response.
I think I see what Percy is trying to say, and if I've picked it up right then I'd have to agree with him.
People from nearly every walk of life have moved to the UK ( and I'm not trying to tar every incomer with the same brush) and taken with them a bit of thier original culture. But in doing so, these cultures have maybe clashed with the British culture to which we are accustomed, which annoys people at both sides of the equation, leaving them complaining about British being racist, and at the same time makes us continually less fond of them, which seems like a downward spiral to me.
Now I'm not saying everyone moving to the UK should automatically start following our traditions (that's like saying everyone who walks along a road should act like a car!), but I think that those who are trying to push their beliefs into our way of life should look at themselves and think about what they are doing. Especially where they are expected to provide a proffessional service for people and refuse to do so because of their beliefs.
Over the summer I was working as a waitress, and was told I had to do the breakfast/lunch shift, which was from 7-3. but when they discovered that I wasnt able to serve alcahol (I was only 16, smething they had forgotten when making up the rota) my hours were immediately cut to 7-12 to allow people who could to come in at lunch time just incase someone fancied a glass of wine or a pint.
If you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. and if you refuse to do the job, well you probably shouldn't have applied in the first place.
You can't count either. The alleged 'insult' was my second response.
Oh I can percy
I can always count on you to be bigoted in an 'all embracing' way!
...you are typing in bold now I see...do you think that will help your argument?
Perhaps next time you are in Saino's and get a muslim assistant, you can complain in Bold at the time...instead of turning it into a race issue here....perhaps you can even address the girl in question!
karia
Muslim parliaments and councils are the same as the association of ukranians or the Polish society: the are the same as the General Synod or the Jewish council or the childrens society or families need fathers or the Royal Society for the prevention of crulety to animals or Denton parish council .... They are organisations set up to look after the interests of a specific group of people and act as spokespeople, leaders or pressure groups. This is a free society Percy so if you wanted to set up a "society for the protection of small minded truck drivers" im sure no one would stop you. USDAW have a law which allows people to be excused from working sundays - jewish people have always been able to avoid working their sabbath too. Those are proper laws - this story of yours is a none story - its about one employee organising with their own employer to meet hteir particular needs. How is it newsworthy... oh yes it gives you and others the opportunity to tut and roll their eyes and mutter about the erosion of British values
percy toboggan
03-Oct-07, 21:23
Oh I can percy
I can always count on you to be bigoted in an 'all embracing' way!
...you are typing in bold now I see...do you think that will help your argument?
Perhaps next time you are in Saino's and get a muslim assistant, you can complain in Bold at the time...instead of turning it into a race issue here....perhaps you can even address the girl in question!
karia
Good to know I don't disappoint.
Sometimes the glaringly obvious needs extra emphasis - depends upon whom one is dealing with.
Do you have a problem with bold? Perhaps there is a 'British Bold Association' to whom I can complain.
percy toboggan
03-Oct-07, 21:26
Muslim parliaments and councils are the same as the association of ukranians or the Polish society: the are the same as the General Synod or the Jewish council or the childrens society or families need fathers or the Royal Society for the prevention of crulety to animals or Denton parish council .... They are organisations set up to look after the interests of a specific group of people and act as spokespeople, leaders or pressure groups. This is a free society Percy so if you wanted to set up a "society for the protection of small minded truck drivers" im sure no one would stop you. USDAW have a law which allows people to be excused from working sundays - jewish people have always been able to avoid working their sabbath too. Those are proper laws - this story of yours is a none story - its about one employee organising with their own employer to meet hteir particular needs. How is it newsworthy... oh yes it gives you and others the opportunity to tut and roll their eyes and mutter about the erosion of British values
also gives you the chance to pick up your shield of self righteousness and your sword of all seeing truth to attempt to put us down.
U.S.D.A.W. have a law?? I thought Unions had rules...not laws. Besides , given the state of my local retail park every sunday such a law (if there is one) seems to be largely ignored.
And incidentally, I can't deny being an ever so 'umble truck driver, but I'd put money on the breadth and depth of my mind agin yours any day of the week...even sundays.
Lolabelle
03-Oct-07, 21:33
Muslim Parliament?? Muslim Council of Britain...crikey...these familiar but overlooked contradictions in terms merely serve to reinforce the thrust of my argument.
What the heck is a 'Muslim Parliament' ? I thought we had one already.
If you want to preach tolerance go to Saudi Arabia and try to establish a Christian Council of Saudi Arabia. Not content that their people have been allowed to live here, work here and prosper beyond the dire levels their homelands can offer they now form institutions which are exclusivist, some might even say racist in nature.
Once again the tail wags the dog.Multi culturalism is a proven failure. Ask Trevor Phillips.
We need one nation, one culture and one parliament. Multi ethnic of course. All colours and faiths now have to be accommodated within it, but not demand any treatment at odds with established British traditions. They conform to us - not the other way around. Otherwise only strife awaits us all.
We have the same dilema over here, Minority Rule. There was a political party called One Nation that wanted to promote Australian lifestyle and culture etc... but they were crucified by the other parties. Too many people liked what they were saying. So they, the government, somehow managed to trump up a ridiculous fraud charge and ended up with the former leader in a maximum security gaol. The made sure they shut her up, but I am pleased to say, she is back and starting again with a new party. Too many people feel the same and will continue to support her.
Ah ye edited that just ahead of my response!
but 'we know'..and you must be fair ashamed!;)
Karia
Lolabelle
03-Oct-07, 22:01
:~(It seems I can't even get it right when I'm editing. Never mind, we can just have a "Spot the deliberate mistake" competition! :Razz
:~(It seems I can't even get it right when I'm editing. Never mind, we can just have a "Spot the deliberate mistake" competition! :Razz
It wasnae you lolabelle!
You aye stand by what you say!
karia
also gives you the chance to pick up your shield of self righteousness and your sword of all seeing truth to attempt to put us down.
U.S.D.A.W. have a law?? I thought Unions had rules...not laws. Besides , given the state of my local retail park every sunday such a law (if there is one) seems to be largely ignored.
And incidentally, I can't deny being an ever so 'umble truck driver, but I'd put money on the breadth and depth of my mind agin yours any day of the week...even sundays.
Ok percy - usdaw have a "rule" which ensures that practicing christians can be excused being made to work sundays. The only sword i ever pick up is the one that hangs on the wall of the den in my house. As for breadth and depth of mind - i dont purport to be anything more than I am Percy just a plain ordinary wifie - i have never questioned YOUR intellectual ability - limited as it might be from the narrowness of your life experiences as everyone's is - i think its a cheap shot to question mine. I dont pretend to understand your paranoia about every little thing islamic because i dont understand it and thats simply it. IT does however seem that whenever you have been challenged you resort to cheap jibes and thats a shame percy cos i think you are smarter than that ;)
Perhaps there is a 'British Bold Association' to whom I can complain.
I don't think there is percy. However, I am pretty sure there IS one for Daz. ;)
j4bberw0ck
05-Oct-07, 14:25
I'd put money on the breadth and depth of my mind agin yours any day of the week...even sundays.
Breadth and depth, huh? I bought carpet on similar criteria not long ago. Useful attributes in both minds and carpets, but in both cases it helps if different pieces join up properly.
Squidge's post here (http://forum.caithness.org/go.php?url=http://forum.caithness.org/showpost.php?p=278574&postcount=39) rather undermined your argument, I thought. Well, actually, shot it down in flames.
Was it breadth or depth that led you to say
It's not that hard to understand surely. Mind you, given some of your posts I do see your difficulty.
You can't count either
also gives you the chance to pick up your shield of self righteousness and your sword of all seeing truth to attempt to put us down.
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Just interested. Doesn't sound like depth, anyway, so it must have been breadth :lol::lol: .
percy toboggan
05-Oct-07, 17:25
Sounds more like lightweight, verbal cut and thrust to me Jabberdock (and thanks for stickin' yer nose in)
When one swims in the shallower waters the temptation is always there.
The frustrations foisted by the usual suspects whenever immigration issues are discussed does bring out the jibes in me.
When presented with an allusion to 'the small minded lorry drivers association' I'm afraid I just had to change down a gear. Especially when the allusion comes from a self-confessed 'ordinary wife' I sensed kettle calling pot 'black' and heaven knows, we cannot have that can we Squidgey?
j4bberw0ck
05-Oct-07, 17:43
Sounds more like lightweight, verbal cut and thrust to me Jabberdock (and thanks for stickin' yer nose in)
S'okay, Percy. Lightweight it certainly was. Just amused to see how your tack changed after you were cornered neatly on the "one person, one employer" argument having started off by attempting to have us all believe this was the next great Islamic assault on your Englishness.
When one swims in the shallower waters the temptation is always there.
Now you've lost me. Put down that volume of Proust a mo' and set me straight on les temps which we've obviously perdu, oh mighty Phil Ossifer........ :lol:
Especially when the allusion comes from a self-confessed 'ordinary wife' I sensed kettle calling pot 'black' and heaven knows, we cannot have that can we Squidgey?
I never said i was an ordinary WIFE Percy - i said i was an ordinary WIFIE - there is a difference -its been a while since i was anyone's WIFE but im not unhappy to be a wifie.
percy toboggan
05-Oct-07, 18:03
I never said i was an ordinary WIFE Percy - i said i was an ordinary WIFIE - there is a difference -its been a while since i was anyone's WIFE but im not unhappy to be a wifie.
I live in ignorant bliss of the difference, although the term 'wifie' , if used here, would probably result in bruises.:) Have a good weekend....all.
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