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sorghaghtanibeki
11-Jul-07, 12:57
Sorry I mean 21/7 ! None of the men could be considered for release for 40 years,The Judge concluded.. Good?, No this GREAT result
Think you mean the 21/7 bombers.
Hanging would be good for them IMO.......
Sorry I mean 21/7 ! None of the men could be considered for release for 40 years,The Judge concluded.. Good?, No this GREAT result
If it is a result then no it isn't good, to be good then all those responsible for crimes against humanity on both sides must be brought to justice. The scales of justice are out of balance, the Muslim world knows that, crimes on one side are rigorously investigated and punished while far greater crimes on the other side are ignored. Such obvious bias will just serve to recruit more terrorists and convince them that their cause is just.
The Nation magazine has interviewed 50 veterans of the Iraq war, the stories they tell are all the same, I read them all last night. They say what I said on this forum last July (http://forum.caithness.org/showpost.php?p=107690&postcount=125), what I received a lot of abuse for saying, well now we have the proof that I was right.
I have a link to the interviews if anyone wants it or there is a less graphic account of them in today's Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2758829.ece#2007-07-12T00:00:03-00:00). The result will be when those crimes are investigated too and those responsible brought to trial, until they are justice has not been done.
One of those responsible for all the atrocities has stood trial, one of those behind the lies which led to the illegal invasion of Iraq, a man called I. Lewis Libby. He stood trial for giving false testimony and obstructing justice, he was found guilty and sentenced to 30 months in prison but he won't serve one day because Bush commuted the sentence.
The Muslim world sees the entire picture, they see a one sided justice and one sided justice is no justice at all.
Fred are you inferring that these four should not have been convicted?
fred spouting off his terrorist apologist slant again......
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 11:42
These men were caught in the act, convicted and sentenced by a jury of their peers. Personally I take offence that my taxes are going to be keeping these wastes of skin, blood and organs alive.
I find Fred's comments quite hard to believe but like us all he is entitled to his opinion, this is what democracy is for me, where you may abhor someones opinion but defend to the hilt their right to say it. This is a courtesy not extended by these men, no sorry, cowards who are happy to take from the British people and enjoy our freedoms when it suits them, and how do they reward our hospitality ??, by planning to kill and maim the innocent.
Deport them I say.
Deprt them? How can you be guaranteed they will not be released once deported and plot an even bigger atrocity?
They either rot in a UK prison, where I hope they get locked in a cell to become the 'wife' of "Bubba" or they are hung from the nearest suitable bit of scaffolding - rope is pretty cheap right now.......
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 12:34
Deprt them? How can you be guaranteed they will not be released once deported and plot an even bigger atrocity?
They either rot in a UK prison, where I hope they get locked in a cell to become the 'wife' of "Bubba" or they are hung from the nearest suitable bit of scaffolding - rope is pretty cheap right now.......
Well if we had the Death Penalty that would be my choice, and it would save us hard working people a bit of cash as well.
Im thinking how about dropping them in a Baghdad Market square with a Bacon Sandwich in one hand, a tin of Carlsberg in the Other and a Miss Piggy t shirt .. Job Done.
You forgot the " I Love Sir Salman Rushdie" T-shirt....
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 13:38
How about .. "I got Salman Rushdie his Knighthood" .. or .. "Im with Muqhtada al Saddo" .. ;)
But if we do have to keep them in Jail how about giving them to this man .. http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio
Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona USA.
Inmates are housed in a Tent City in the Heat of Arizona
He started putting Women on Chain Gangs as well as Men, he said is "an equal opportunity incarcirator"
He dresses male inmates in Pink prison uniforms
When the Supreme Court ruled against him after he disconnected the Cable Television system he was ordered to supply at least two channels .. the inmates got a Weather Channel (not much use in a desert !!) and the Disney Channel.
Fred are you inferring that these four should not have been convicted?
I haven't inferred anything.
As a staunch upholder of law and order I would have thought you would be agreeing with me that this case should be only the start, that all those who harm innocent civilians should be dealt with in the same manner whatever their nationality.
Fifty veterans of the Iraq war interviewed fifty veterans of the Iraq war said they saw crimes committed against the civilian population as a matter of routine, on a daily basis, serious crimes. Surely you would agree that these crimes should be investigated also and those responsible brought to justice.
Didn't realise we were discussing Iraqi crimes here. If they saw crimes committed against Iraqi civilians then perhaps they should report it to the Iraqi authorities?
These crimes are being committed every day in Iraq by the "insurgents" - what about bringing them to justice? Oh no, can't even start to discuss that can you fred..........
7 July: 130 killed in Amirli market bombing
19 June: 87 die in Baghdad mosque blast
18 April: 190 killed in car bombings in Baghdad
29 March: 82 killed in double suicide bombing in Baghdad market
6 March: 90 killed in double suicide bombing in Hilla
3 Feb: 130 die in suicide truck bombing in Baghdad
22 Jan: 88 killed in Baghdad car bombings
Source: AFP
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6293502.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6281508.stm
Deprt them? How can you be guaranteed they will not be released once deported and plot an even bigger atrocity?
They either rot in a UK prison, where I hope they get locked in a cell to become the 'wife' of "Bubba" or they are hung from the nearest suitable bit of scaffolding - rope is pretty cheap right now.......
So do you think a British person found guilty of crimes in Iraq should be locked in a cell to become the wife of Bubba too? Do you think they should be hung from the nearest bit of scaffolding?
sorghaghtanibeki
12-Jul-07, 18:04
Fred twisted logic once again (does he ever have the normal logic?).
I would understand him more further if a huge number western civillians went to live in Iraq, accepted there hospitality, lived among them; as one of them, went to school with theme, socialised with them. Then straped bombs to themselves, went on the Bagdad transport system and after getting themselves in amongst the throngs of men, woman and children, touch two wire together and blow the lot to hell
these are a some of freds reports, this is about american soldiers, not civillians .. " fighting a war in an environment in which the insurgents are supported by the population, hrough a combination of gung-ho recklessness and criminal behaviour born of panic"
Lieutenant Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia, Marine Corps civil affairs unit. In Ramadi from August 2004 to March 2005: "We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words."
Specialist Patrick Resta, 29, from Philadelphia, 252nd Armour, 1st Infantry Division. In Jalula for nine months beginning March 2004. "Here's some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he's going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you've ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds..."
i think fred you must go to Iraq and help http://www.worldvolunteerweb.org/browse/countries/iraq.html (http://www.worldvolunteerweb.org/browse/countries/iraq.html) it is not good you sit and preach in your country while you do totally nothing to help. 'words do not speak louder than action'. please tell if you go too help?
So do you think a British person found guilty of crimes in Iraq should be locked in a cell to become the wife of Bubba too? Do you think they should be hung from the nearest bit of scaffolding?
Not for speeding or stealing a loaf but if they, acting as a terrorist/insurgent trying to destabilise the country tried to blown up innocent civilians then yes.
Sits back and waits for fred to bring up his tired, and by now very threadbare, old argument of troops acting in exactly this way.
I need a good laugh fred, don't let me down....
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 19:34
And here we go again ..
Once again Fred turns a thread into his own personal crusade, these men (and I use the terms loosely) were arrested, put on trial by jury and on the evidence presented convicted by a jury of their peers .. seems pretty straightforward to me. If a British serviceman was caught by these people then justice would probably consist of being put in an orange boilersuit and filmed while the man behind draws a sword ... They certainly would not be treated as well would they ??
I do agree with Fred that we should not have gone into Iraq in 2003 but thats it, he seems to think Al Qaeda doesnt exsist and Bush faked 911 and obviously I dont agree but we all have the right to state our opinions.
As for the assumption on Fred's behalf that our troops commit crimes aginst the civil population daily .. utter tripe. He would do well to remember the Royal Militairy Police personnel killed in 2003 when they were killed by an Iraqi mob WITHOUT using their weapons (indeed they were bludgoned with them), what about the recent events in the orphange when the Iraqi's in charge left disabled children on the bare floor to starve while the cupboards were packed with food and clothes. They were cared for by the Americans you seem to dislike so much. While there have been abuses by Troops and I do not condone this behaviour these are very few and far between while attacks between Sunni's and Shi'ite's are a daily occurence.
these are a some of freds reports, this is about american soldiers, not civillians .. " fighting a war in an environment in which the insurgents are supported by the population, hrough a combination of gung-ho recklessness and criminal behaviour born of panic"
I haven't said anything about the Muslim youths convicted in this country, they did the crime, they got caught, they got a trial and they are doing their time, which is more than can be said for Lewis I. Libby.
But when I mention crimes committed by British and Americans in Iraq here you are making excuses for them.
Are you sure the crime was the reason you hate the Muslim youths convicted in this country and not just an excuse?
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 21:28
I haven't said anything about the Muslim youths convicted in this country, they did the crime, they got caught, they got a trial and they are doing their time, which is more than can be said for Lewis I. Libby.
But when I mention crimes committed by British and Americans in Iraq here you are making excuses for them.
Are you sure the crime was the reason you hate the Muslim youths convicted in this country and not just an excuse?
Come now Fred, I didnt read anywhere in sorgi's post that he hated anyone, thats an assumption on your part, and not a nice one. And to imply that he is prejudiced and using a possible terrorist attack as an excuse is an extremely lame argument, I have Muslim friends I work with who go to great lengths to speak out against these extremists. One of them read a lot of your posts and thinks you need to get a bigger tinfoil hat.
And its not like the Iraqi's are paranoid is it ??, look how those dastardly British troops have grown oversize badgers to terrorise the population !! ..
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070711/tod-iraq-unrest-animal-7f81b96.html
Note how the Iraqi vet says they have been around since 1986 !!
percy toboggan
12-Jul-07, 21:41
All potential terrorists - even suicide bombers should be made aware that, their bodies or at the very least their heads (often blown off intact) will be fed to pigs.
This might preclude the route to the hereafter they crave so much inside their feeble minds.
connieb19
12-Jul-07, 21:44
All potential terrorists - even suicide bombers should be made aware that, their bodies or at the very least their heads (often blown off intact) will be fed to pigs.
This might preclude the route to the hereafter they crave so much inside their feeble minds.What have you got against pigs?
sorghaghtanibeki
12-Jul-07, 22:17
freddy write about me: "Are you sure the crime was the reason you hate the Muslim youths convicted in this country and not just an excuse?" fred, I challenge you hear to show where i say I hate the muslim youths? (I know you wont] i know you have very un-balanced and one-sided idea but this is wrong, you should say sorry to me! you must be taken away from the forum for such lyes! i have a good frend in dublin who was a muslim fundamentalist and who has stayed with me - i do not hate him! this time freddy you are 'over the top' i just think that people who kill other's in the name of religion are savages - i do not hate savages - i pity them. and when are you volentering to go to iraq?
Camel Spider
12-Jul-07, 22:23
What have you got against pigs?
I think its more the fact that Muslims would take that as the ultimate insult.
I worked in the Middle East once for a couple fo weeks, only video we had was the Muppet Show for some reason.
No Miss Piggy in it, considered an abmoniation apparently. Plus it made Kermit look like he had an invisible girlfriend .. :roll:
freddy write about me: "Are you sure the crime was the reason you hate the Muslim youths convicted in this country and not just an excuse?" fred, I challenge you hear to show where i say I hate the muslim youths? (I know you wont] i know you have very un-balanced and one-sided idea but this is wrong, you should say sorry to me! you must be taken away from the forum for such lyes! i have a good frend in dublin who was a muslim fundamentalist and who has stayed with me - i do not hate him! this time freddy you are 'over the top' i just think that people who kill other's in the name of religion are savages - i do not hate savages - i pity them. and when are you volentering to go to iraq?
You pity them?
But when you heard they would spend the next 40 years in prison you thought that was "GREAT". I've never come across someone using "GREAT" as an expression of pity before.
Do you class British and Americans who kill innocent people in Iraq as "savages" too?
Records stuck.....
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Didn't realise we were discussing Iraqi crimes here. If they saw crimes committed against Iraqi civilians then perhaps they should report it to the Iraqi authorities?
We are the Iraqi authorities. Iraq is an occupied country, as occupiers we are responsible for maintaining law and order.
These crimes are being committed every day in Iraq by the "insurgents" - what about bringing them to justice? Oh no, can't even start to discuss that can you fred..........
Certainly bring them to justice.
Start with those being held at Guantanamo, haul them up before a judge and jury as soon as possible. Then everyone being held by the occupation forces in Iraq, get them legal representation and get them into court right away.
I'm all for that idea.
sorghaghtanibeki
13-Jul-07, 10:55
freddy write about me: "Are you sure the crime was the reason you hate the Muslim youths convicted in this country and not just an excuse?" fred, I challenge you hear to show where i say I hate the muslim youths? (I know you wont] i know you have very un-balanced and one-sided idea but this is wrong, you should say sorry to me! you must be taken away from the forum for such lyes! i have a good frend in dublin who was a muslim fundamentalist and who has stayed with me - i do not hate him! this time freddy you are 'over the top' i just think that people who kill other's in the name of religion are savages - i do not hate savages - i pity them. and when are you volentering to go to iraq?
Freddy you do not have the courage to say 'sorry' my english is not good, maybe you are looking at me as as 'just a woman'. your fondness of islamic countries "allow woman fewer rights than men with regard to marriage, divorce, civil rights, legal status, dress code and education" (true?) i am not a muslim so i can answer.
I. i was rite you do not apologise.
II. i say 'great' for 40 years as this will keep the british people safe from these savages
III. i say 'pity' as i pity a mad dog i do not hate it
IV. as you have problem to read read or are blind by blinkers I call anyone who kills innocent people 'in the name of religion' as savages
V. why do you never answer that you do not go to iraq, are you unable or maybe this reel world is to scary?
beki
Freddy you do not have the courage to say 'sorry' my english is not good, maybe you are looking at me as as 'just a woman'. your fondness of islamic countries "allow woman fewer rights than men with regard to marriage, divorce, civil rights, legal status, dress code and education" (true?) i am not a muslim so i can answer.
I. i was rite you do not apologise.
II. i say 'great' for 40 years as this will keep the british people safe from these savages
A young life wasted is a tragedy as what the reason.
I see no difference between your "GREAT" and Muslims celebrating on 9/11.
III. i say 'pity' as i pity a mad dog i do not hate it
So you think of them as dogs now.
IV. as you have problem to read read or are blind by blinkers I call anyone who kills innocent people 'in the name of religion' as savages
Savages is how the English referred to the people of Northern Scotland till not long back, that is why clan leaders are known as "Chiefs". I expect it made them feel better about killing them.
V. why do you never answer that you do not go to iraq, are you unable or maybe this reel world is to scary?
Because it's non of your business, nothing I do is any of your business, I can't think what delusions of grandeur made you think it was.
sorghaghtanibeki
13-Jul-07, 11:57
Freddy: "I see no difference between your "GREAT" and Muslims celebrating on 9/11"
1. my 'GREAT' was 40 year in prison for 4 persons not celebrating thousands people blown in bits you think 9/11 was ok like going to gaol?
So you think of them as dogs now.
2. No I do not but do compare this 'mad' section
Savages is how the English referred to the people of Northern Scotland till not long back, that is why clan leaders are known as "Chiefs". I expect it made them feel better about killing them.
3. i say in name of religion
Because it's non of your business, nothing I do is any of your business, I can't think what delusions of grandeur made you think it was.
4 ha ha - rawl nerve i think! what grandeur lelusions i have? i look back and see some call you like coward? i quote only?
beki
Stop picking on Fred. You know his position. I am worried, as usual, by the bloodthirstiness of you all. What violent minds you do have. Stop it, I say. Get back into you burchas (?) and stop dreaming of blowing things up. Yes, you know the idea is attractive.....
sorghaghtanibeki
13-Jul-07, 17:23
Rich: "Stop picking on Fred. You know his position. I am worried, as usual, by the bloodthirstiness of you all. What violent minds you do have. Stop it, I say. Get back into you burchas (?) and stop dreaming of blowing things up. Yes, you know the idea is attractive"
who write this:
"Scottish highlanders with a tradition of convulsing the kingdom with sword and fire, Scottish highlanders famed for their total lawlessness and bloody handed approach to central government by 1815 have become WIMPS by contrast with their fellow Celts in Ireland."
you want Highlanders Wimps? where fred from?
It's not what Fred says, it's his right to say it without being stoned.
I mean stoned to death of course. Not stoned. Well, you know what I mean....as for ferocious Celts I wouldn't know. (More than a few of them at this web-site I daresay...)
He raises a valid point about the Irish. The Irish had in the 19th century a tradition of shooting landlords. Why didn't Highlanders shoot landlords? There's a thesis for some history scholar in that one...Instead I feel you are all getting together to shoot poor Fred.
Leave him alone.
Put him down.
He serves a useful purpose....
He raises a valid point about the Irish. The Irish had in the 19th century a tradition of shooting landlords. Why didn't Highlanders shoot landlords? There's a thesis for some history scholar in that one...Instead I feel you are all getting together to shoot poor Fred.
Leave him alone.
Put him down.
He serves a useful purpose....
Rich, the Irish had a tradition of shooting at "English" Landlords, the Highlanders landlords were fellow Scots, well most of them, who put a fat wool bearing sheep before their tennant crofters, as today 7% of the Scots own 84% of the wealth of Scotland
sorghaghtanibeki
13-Jul-07, 22:22
Rich, it was not fred who write about irish it was YOU? (5th june 2003) I think fred should be left alone now
He raises a valid point about the Irish. The Irish had in the 19th century a tradition of shooting landlords. Why didn't Highlanders shoot landlords? There's a thesis for some history scholar in that one...Instead I feel you are all getting together to shoot poor Fred.
Leave him alone.
Put him down.
He serves a useful purpose....
Well I think they should have been given 30 years working on a pig farm,and it is about time we stopped muslims coming into this country becouse they will say and do anything to get a toe hold in this country and if the fundamentalists want to tar us all with the same brush then why cant we do the same with them? long live freedom of speech.
So do you think a British person found guilty of crimes in Iraq should be locked in a cell to become the wife of Bubba too? Do you think they should be hung from the nearest bit of scaffolding?British people in Iraq are likely to have their heads hacked off and the video of it happening put on the internet for people's entertainment. Ah well, never mind, they don't matter, do they.
Yes, I know, it's all the fault of Bush and Blair and the people doing that are poor victims of western oppression.
Funny you don't constantly bang the drum for the people being butchered and abused in various parts of Africa, especially in East Africa.
Your very vocal concerns for the sufferings of human seems to be very blinkered when it comes to places where there is little or no opportunity to point the finger of blame at Britain or America.
British people in Iraq are likely to have their heads hacked off and the video of it happening put on the internet for people's entertainment. Ah well, never mind, they don't matter, do they.
Yes, I know, it's all the fault of Bush and Blair and the people doing that are poor victims of western oppression.
Yesterday I watched a video of an American soldier boasting about how one of his troop raped a 14 year old Iraqi girl then hired her out to other soldiers for $10 a time. He made over $500 dollars before she hung herself. There he was at home drinking beer and laughing and joking about it, not worried about prosecution in the slightest.
I have the link if anyone wants to see it, mature audience only.
Funny you don't constantly bang the drum for the people being butchered and abused in various parts of Africa, especially in East Africa.
Your very vocal concerns for the sufferings of human seems to be very blinkered when it comes to places where there is little or no opportunity to point the finger of blame at Britain or America.
Funny you haven't said anything about the car which was rammed into a newsagent's shop then set on fire in Glasgow last week.
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