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ywindythesecond
05-Jul-07, 00:23
Not long after the Strathy North Windfarm Application, Strathy South has been advertised in today's Courier.

Strathy North was for 35 big windmills.

Strathy South is for 77 just as big windmills behind Strathy South windmills.

Stroupster Windfarm objections should be lodged by Friday 6th July.

Hands up everyone living in Caithness who doesn't know where Stroupster is and thinks Stroupster Windfarm has nothing to do with them!

MadPict
05-Jul-07, 11:15
The more of these posts that appear warning of yet another windfarm I begin to think that the plan is to completely obscure Caithness with these damn things....

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And the above looks likely to become a fact.....

Well at least you'll be able to see Caithness from space......

Bobinovich
05-Jul-07, 11:44
MP - you missed that triangular patch around about Spittal Hill windfarm! Do you know something we don't ;) ???

MadPict
05-Jul-07, 12:00
They installed stealth turbines....

dozy
05-Jul-07, 12:05
Did anyone see the article about a German wind farm operator who is suing his neighbouring windfarm owner for stealing his WIND . His complaint is that since his Turbines were up first, he has the rights to the "uninterrupted airflow "
He has asked the Courts to compensate him by having the new developer pay him an annual sum plus cover the losses over the life of the project..
I've heard of someone stealing your thunder ,but stealing your wind is OTT..

There was also an article about Windsave /B&Q domestic turbines .One guy saved 83 pence on his yearly electicity bill with it and states it would take 1800 years to pay back the outlay...So instead of saving on Co2 its another Co2 saving sham ...Ain't they all ..

Ricco
05-Jul-07, 19:59
Did anyone see the article about a German wind farm operator who is suing his neighbouring windfarm owner for stealing his WIND . His complaint is that since his Turbines were up first, he has the rights to the "uninterrupted airflow "
He has asked the Courts to compensate him by having the new developer pay him an annual sum plus cover the losses over the life of the project..
I've heard of someone stealing your thunder ,but stealing your wind is OTT..

There was also an article about Windsave /B&Q domestic turbines .One guy saved 83 pence on his yearly electicity bill with it and states it would take 1800 years to pay back the outlay...So instead of saving on Co2 its another Co2 saving sham ...Ain't they all ..

The more I dig the more I suspect that you're right. I've dropped any idea of a turbine... looking at photovoltaic cells now.:eek:

dozy
05-Jul-07, 20:57
Just a thought .Would it not make more sense to hand out energy saving lightbulbs to all homes instead of handing out TAXPAYERS money to the developers that destroy the landscape .If a bulb lasts 10 years how much electricity and CO2 is saved .
We would keep the unspoilt landscape and save on the bills and on the HUGE amount of CO2 and materials needed to build these useless machines .
Their owners then go on sell of the Carbon Credits to Destroy more of the PLANET (Rainforest )....wheres all the saving that the developers promise NOW ?
I do wish people would pull their head out of the sand and see these Steel and Concrete Machines for what they are ....

They think by supporting the Turbines they are being GREEN well they are not, far from it .I am not surprised that so many folk are stupid enough to be taken in by the developers spin .
Theres a old saying "thats theres wiser in than out " that means the folk in the asylum have more sense than the folk outside .....How true that is ...

peter macdonald
05-Jul-07, 21:27
Dozy this is straightforward question no tricks .not wanting to get into an arguement in fact if you reply Ill just politely say thanks and wander off
What do you think of off shore windfarms?? ie the Beatrice scheme
PM

rupert
05-Jul-07, 21:31
For an easy way to object to all these windfarm plans go to www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk (http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk) and www.spittalwindfarmopposition.co.uk (http://www.spittalwindfarmopposition.co.uk) where there are online objection forms for all current applications and soon will be one for Strathy South - a monster. The more people that object the better, hopefully then someone may take some notice before Caithness becomes one big windfarm (oh and Sutherland too)!!

ywindythesecond
05-Jul-07, 23:18
[quote=dozy;238394]Did anyone see the article about a German wind farm operator who is suing his neighbouring windfarm owner for stealing his WIND . His complaint is that since his Turbines were up first, he has the rights to the "uninterrupted airflow "
quote]

Another twist to neighbour against neighbour!

Regarding low energy light bulbs, you will remember that the lights went out on the Eastern Seaboard of America a year or two ago. It hasn't happened again since because the power companies sent their customers low energy light bulbs, buying time and reducing consumption and therefore CO2 emissions. This approach should be our first attack on Carbon reduction, not flood us with windmills!

Regarding Beatrice, one of the worlds largest floating cranes has had three tries to put up turbines and has succeeded only once because of weather. Would you invest in attempt number four?
ywindythesecond.

JAWS
06-Jul-07, 02:25
There are a lot of things which could be done to reduce power requirement. I recently acquired a new 20 inch TV. I came to connect it up and what do I find? It's got a 12 volt power supply. I've not checked but I would think it would also run off a car battery.

Makes me wonder how many other appliances could be manufactured so they required a far smaller power requirement.

Somebody made a brilliant suggestion the other day, Is your Air-Conditioning really necessary? Then why not turn it off!
Apart from a few specialist circumstances is it really necessary in this Country? What's wrong with the good old fashioned method of "opening the window" when the office gets too warm in summer. I wonder just how much power is wasted by city after city stuffed full of blocks of air-conditioned offices?

You can pick any large town or city and when there is low cloud in winter you can see the glow off the street lights from 20 miles or more. Is it necessary to have every single one blazing away right through the night? I wonder just how much power they soak up when compared to the lights in an average house?

There is an advantage, however, in making you feel you are really the one to blame. You can then be convinced you ought to pay more for your power and that penal taxation is necessary to convince you to use less.

Have you ever noticed that it's always you who is to blame for wasting energy and never the people doing the complaining and lecturing? Strange that, isn't it!

dozy
06-Jul-07, 10:41
Hi ,Peter Macdonald .
How should i reply .The Environmental side or the technical side .
What i would say is, we should all be trying to reduce demand be it with energy saving or insulation ,better quaility new builds etc.
Try this one.
It was put to the Scottish Labour leader a few years ago that we should install a small 1-2kw turbine/ PV cells on all lamp posts .
1)the stantion and cabling is already in place and 2 we would all benefit from the millions of posts that could be used as they are so widespread the baseload supplied is more even .Its a WIN !WIN !all the way no need to destroy the countryside with Mega-structures and no need to produce huge amounts of co2 to install a machine that only runs 30% of the time anyway ..
Beatrice would never have gone ahead if not for the HUGE subsides.
Its your Taxpayer pounds that should be better used for Hospitals and Schools that are building these things., The next time you go to the hospital or school and are thinking of complaining remember that some RICH-SUN DRENCHED DEVELOPER lying on some far off beach is pocketing your hard earned money that should have gone into saving a family members life or a childs education....You should decide not the Developer...

peter macdonald
06-Jul-07, 13:58
Dozy many thanks for reply it was the environmental part I meant but thanks again
PM

dozy
06-Jul-07, 15:55
Peter Hi .
On the Environmetal side No ! the question should be "Is it
worth it" .
You have to calulate;
The amount of energy needed to make the stupid thing in the first place .
The amount of CO2 released during the whole process ,that means from the first guy using the first pen to the guy with the last nut and bolt .
This is not just a calulation of materials used but the energy used by the people to make ,construct and install the Turbine plus all the machines ,welding, cutting, lifting and transport the TOTAL energy comsumed to create a machine which at best is 30% efficient...
You see ! if you the end user are changing to a energy saving bulb you save money and the Environment wins because you cant claim any carbon credits.
When you support the Turbine Companies you lose , your bills go up and this is what happens .
The Developer gets your money in three ways .
1) He gets the subsidy you pay in your bill for green projects.
2) The Government gives him a kickback through a scheme that should see him get 10-11p per kilowatt hour (this is all taxpayers money)when he sells the energy.
3) He also gets to sell his Carbon Credits which are used by companies who dont want to reduce CO2 ,so the Carbon saving is ZERO !
In fact Turbines are a Carbon LOSS they have NEVER and will Never save CO2.
You see Developers go on about the TOTAL cost of the project and the Turbines are 80% of the Capital .....Rubbish!!!!!
Today i can buy a 2kw turbine complete with tower delivered to a port of choice in the EU for £620,000 ,if i buy 10 that drops to £598,000 each if its 25 then it only £510.000 ..
These machines are lying at ports all over the EU ,mainly Denmark amd Holland ...So if your in the market to become an overnight multimllionaire and DON'T give a monkeys about the Environment ,Landscape or the people... Become a Developer...These people are worse than Drug Dealers because they will destroy the place we ALL call HOME ...