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Angela
06-Jun-07, 10:19
Apologies if this link has been posted before.

There's now a petition on the Downing Street site, to ban puppy farms and the sale of puppies through third party premises.

If you would like to sign, please go to http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/banpuppyfarms/

paris
06-Jun-07, 10:24
Hi Angela, just signed as i think its wrong VERY wrong. jan x

NickInTheNorth
06-Jun-07, 10:48
Petitions are a total waste of time!

If you actually want to have an impact then write to your MSP/MP/MEP ask them to ask questions of the relevant minsister, it's very easy using this website www.writetothem.com and what's more is it has some effect.

It works because the MP etc is aware that it is something in which a constituent has an interest, it also then works because it comes to the attention of the responsible minister, who is also elected by real people. Potential votes won and lost bother MP's etc far more than vague names on e-petitions.

Far more effective than any amount of signatures on any petition. Ten letters from real people are worth 10,000 signatures on an e-petition!

Angela
06-Jun-07, 10:59
Petitions are a total waste of time!

If you actually want to have an impact then write to your MSP/MP/MEP ask them to ask questions of the relevant minsister, it's very easy using this website www.writetothem.com (http://www.writetothem.com) and what's more is it has some effect.

It works because the MP etc is aware that it is something in which a constituent has an interest, it also then works because it comes to the attention of the responsible minister, who is also elected by real people. Potential votes won and lost bother MP's etc far more than vague names on e-petitions.

Far more effective than any amount of signatures on any petition. Ten letters from real people are worth 10,000 signatures on an e-petition!

I know that's your view of petitions, Nick, you've mentioned that in another thread.:roll:
I don't think petitions are necessarily a waste of time, although I do write to my MP about some concerns. On the other hand, I also sign petitions, in the hope that they might do some good, rather than just saying I won't bother because it's obviously a waste of time.
I hoped that my mentioning the existence of the petition might raise the issue of puppy farming in a few folks' minds.
They might want to sign the petition, or, as you say, they might want to contact their MP/MSP. Or possibly even do both. :)

NickInTheNorth
06-Jun-07, 11:12
It is far more than my view of petitions :)

It is a simple fact. Please name for me one petition (or even better one e-petition) that has been presented to Government in the UK that has made any difference to policy? Struggling to do so...

The very real danger is that given a choice between putting in some effort and writing a letter and doing the easy thing and signing a petition most folk choose the petition as it salves their conscience. The fact that it will have no effect whatever does not seem to bother them one jot.

Far better to start a thread asking folks to write a letter which gets the issue into peoples minds and has some impact.

But good luck anyway, I hope that you get lots and lots of signatures. (Mainly 'cos I have no issue with puppy farming etc. but still thought I would try and offer you some constructive advice.)

Must run, just got to go and give my dog a fag...

Angela
06-Jun-07, 11:44
It is far more than my view of petitions

It is a simple fact. Please name for me one petition (or even better one e-petition) that has been presented to Government in the UK that has made any difference to policy? Struggling to do so...

The very real danger is that given a choice between putting in some effort and writing a letter and doing the easy thing and signing a petition most folk choose the petition as it salves their conscience. The fact that it will have no effect whatever does not seem to bother them one jot.

Far better to start a thread asking folks to write a letter which gets the issue into peoples minds and has some impact.

But good luck anyway, I hope that you get lots and lots of signatures. (Mainly 'cos I have no issue with puppy farming etc. but still thought I would try and offer you some constructive advice.)

Must run, just got to go and give my dog a fag...

Ooh, I do so love being patronised! :roll:

I merely posted a link to a petition which folk might -or might not -want to sign. They might think petitions are a total waste of time or they might have no concerns whatsover about puppy farms. Or both.

Of course I realise that signing a petition is an easy thing to do, and yes, it might salve people's consciences. Obviously it's quicker and easier than writing a letter! But if it's something they feel strongly about, signing a petition may well not be the only action they'll take.

I was emailed the link to this petition, which I have signed, but I'm now going to look into the whole issue of puppy farming further. I'll freely admit it's not up there among my greatest concerns, and not something I have written to my MP about, but it possibly warrants a bit more thought from me, and maybe from other people.

Now, why don't you start a thread on the futile nature of petitions? Just offering you some "constructive advice" ;)

lynne duncan
06-Jun-07, 15:19
just do both maybe from both sides something can be achieved

Tilter
07-Jun-07, 22:51
Angela,
I've signed your petition - whether it helps or not.

If Nick is right, and it does no good in government quarters whatsoever, it may do good in another way. If people see the link to this petition, it might make them stop and think, and do a little more research, before they go skipping off to buy a puppy farm puppy. If a petition can raise awareness a little, it may reduce the market fractionally.

A real way to help is by rescuing one of these poor creatures. There are rescue centres that take them in after they're 6 or 7 and cast out because they are no longer profitable. They might have another 6 or 7 years enjoying a good home with an orger. They certainly deserve it. Have I done that? No, but I intend to look into it when we our old dog is no longer with us. (We have 2 dogs - 1 rescue and one semi-rescue.)

anneoctober
07-Jun-07, 23:11
Without caring people like you Angela, the world would be a darker place. I've signed your petition too, - because I happen to agree with it. Our dog Sox was an abandoned puppy and she gave our family years of pleasure before she died .

Lolabelle
08-Jun-07, 10:45
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a puppy farm????

porshiepoo
08-Jun-07, 12:47
[quote=Lolabelle;231291]Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a puppy farm????[/quotee

We forgive you. lol.
At it's best a puppy farm is a greedy breeder that breeds from their dog purely for profit / gain with no consideration at all for the health of the breed, for the health and well being of the parents and no consideration for the pups and their health.
At its worse, it's a diabolical breeding establishment that has a multitude of breeding bitches constantly in whelp / lactating until she is no longer able to. The pups are shipped out at knock down prices to any old Joe Bloggs, usually at a very very young age and more often than not riddled with fleas, worms and many other diseases.
All the above are usually kept in conditions that are indescribable. They'll be sleeping in cages one on top of the other, fed cheap food if they're lucky otherwise it'll be scraps and generally these dogs are abused and / or have no socialisation skills whatsoever.

Basically puppy farmers are the scum of the canine world!

Torvaig
08-Jun-07, 17:07
http://www.puppywatch.force9.co.uk/index.html

For those want some more information about puppy farming, have a look at the above link...

Angela
08-Jun-07, 17:14
http://www.puppywatch.force9.co.uk/index.html

For those want some more information about puppy farming, have a look at the above link...

Thanks for posting that link, Torvaig.

I must apologise for making the assumption that everyone would know what puppy farming is. I was surprised - and distressed - when I found out myself.

I think the very word "farm" can lead some people to think it refers to a real farm in the country. [disgust]