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cullbucket
16-Jun-05, 09:55
Just wondering.....
Recently there's been all this talk about 'Chavs' in the media etc. About some undesirable and scummy types of people - although we have our own words in caithness and don't use chav for this meaning. I used to use the word Chav a fair bit in my youth back in the 70's in phrases such as "Chavvy deeks cull" meaning someone was giving you dirty looks.
Has the rest of the country hi-jacked our word or has this word been used elsewhere too?
Just wondering.....
Recently there's been all this talk about 'Chavs' in the media etc. About some undesirable and scummy types of people - although we have our own words in caithness and don't use chav for this meaning. I used to use the word Chav a fair bit in my youth back in the 70's in phrases such as "Chavvy deeks cull" meaning someone was giving you dirty looks.
Has the rest of the country hi-jacked our word or has this word been used elsewhere too?
Main Entry: chav
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: the lower class; uneducated and ignorant people
Etymology: perh. Romany chav child
Usage: derogatory slang
Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC
exiledtoedinburgh
16-Jun-05, 11:09
I thought we called them 'breeds' or 'tinks' in Caithness! :D
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think demographics came into it.
Castletown Tnks and High Ormlie Breed are two that spring to mind.
Also Glebers, but I believe that Holburn Avenue is now attracting a better class of tink, some may say chavesque.
In it's current meaning Chav is just the English term for a Ned. Ned is more commonly used in Scotland - Non Educated Delinquent.
cullbucket
16-Jun-05, 12:34
Thanks Donnie, I think the Ned is more like it, a friend of mine from Manchester said they'd always had these folk, they just used to call them 'scallies' interesting to know the root of these words you just used without ever thinking what their origin or meaning is...
cullbucket,
I have been told that "Scallies" were a Manchester phrase for Liverpudlians
Actually most of the classic swear words are ancient english. The (in)famous "C-word" actually dates back to Germany. Probably.
Anyway, why have we moved away from tinks?
George Brims
16-Jun-05, 17:18
According to the book and TV series "The Story of English",those 4-letter words we often refer to as "Anglo-Saxon" are in fact Dutch. However words are first borrowed, then their meaning gets altered over time. According to a Dutch colleague, the "C word" refers to that general area of the body (equivalent to "bum" in English) rather than the more anatomically localised meaning in English. Similarly the word "fanny" is the American equivalent of "bum".
CHAV apprently stands for "Council House And Violent" according to them down south.
Up North its from the old norse word roughly translated to "come-hev-at-me".
But as Raj Boat says lets get back onto tinks - what about "broon balls" and "dachens" how are they different from "breed"?
Also Minkers and Tinkers? Whats the story there?
In it's current meaning Chav is just the English term for a Ned. Ned is more commonly used in Scotland - Non Educated Delinquent.
Never realised it came from that. I suppose I thought it was short for something.
CHAV? Is it really "Council House And Violent"?
Ned would be my term of choice. :lol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4091478.stm
check out this article - someone got a degree writing about chavs...
it mentions "Council House And Violent" near the end....
George Brims
16-Jun-05, 23:29
You know it appears to me there's a bit of a fascination with picking on or at least drawing attention to the tinks on here. It's really pretty classless. Remember how small Caithness is. The tinks may not be as unrelated to you (or me) as you might hope.
Thats an interesting point from George..... and ties in nicely with cullbuckets original post and the phrase "chavvy deeks cul"
Now I know where "hereboy, yiv got the deek o' the dacken aboot ye" comes from...
...possibly from not too far back up the old family tree....!
You know it appears to me there's a bit of a fascination with picking on or at least drawing attention to the tinks on here. It's really pretty classless. Remember how small Caithness is. The tinks may not be as unrelated to you (or me) as you might hope.
It's basic animal instinct I think, human nature dictates that there has to be a pecking order and you must continue to prove your place in it. People have to prove themselves superior even if the only way they can do it is by putting others down instead of building themselves up. It makes people feel good to feel superior.
There is no logic to it, because someone is different does not mean they are inferior but it's the same the world over, every group has another group which they are compelled to put down, the British have their Irishman, the French their Belgian, the Americans their Polak
I think fear comes into it quite a bit too, if you work on the principal that every village must have an idiot it's best to make sure it's someone else if there's a chance it might be you.
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You know it appears to me there's a bit of a fascination with picking on or at least drawing attention to the tinks on here. It's really pretty classless. Remember how small Caithness is. The tinks may not be as unrelated to you (or me) as you might hope.
It seems to be more recently that people associate Chav with tinks. Ned is not a social class. You could be rich or poor and still be a Ned. A ned is usually a youth, someone who wears fake burberry caps and tracksuits tucked in to their socks. The usually drink buckfast and wear fake gold sovereign rings. The are delinquents and predominately found in Glasgow.[/url]
Ned is not a social class. You could be rich or poor and still be a Ned.
The term chav is just the same, unrelated to class or wealth. The Beckhams are chavs. Daniella Westbrook is Queen Chav.
cullbucket
17-Jun-05, 13:46
Agreed Drutt.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't having a go at the tinklers.
It seems like being a Chav is a state of mind, wearing a uniform (burberry, soverign rings, etc) and behaving in a certain way....just like the toffs who go round in their hunter wellies and barbour jackets, you never know, maybe these will be the next style 'icons' appropriated by the chavs.
Wonder are the Chavs the children of the football casuals of 20 years ago???
Donnie - your description of a Ned now sounds like a 'Weegie' as Irvine Welsh would say.[/img]
Whats the problem about criticising the tinks?
Doubt they would have computers anyway, although maybe an old Spectrum or something
Whats the problem about criticising the tinks?
The mere fact that you wish to criticise those you term 'tinks' seemingly merely for being those you would term 'tinks' may lead others to think that you are unnecessarily applying a stereotype.
Don't forget that, unchecked, stereotyping leads to prejudice and prejudice, unchecked, leads to discrimination. I have a feeling the latter will continue to be rife in Caithness while people simply cannot see what's wrong with criticising 'tinks'.
I, personally, would go further. I'd just call you a bigot. [disgust]
Doubt they would have computers anyway, although maybe an old Spectrum or something
Oh yes,like you'd have a clue. No wait! Let me bow down to your superior knowledge! :roll:
It seems like being a Chav is a state of mind, wearing a uniform (burberry, soverign rings, etc) and behaving in a certain way....just like the toffs who go round in their hunter wellies and barbour jackets, you never know, maybe these will be the next style 'icons' appropriated by the chavs.
Agreed. We may speak of chavs in a derogatory manner, but many of them do appear to regard it as a desirable status. If they didn't, we wouldn't have celebrity chavs. I forgot one of the greatest chavs - Cheryl Tweedy from Girls Aloud. Queen Chav she may not be, but Princess Chav she certainly could be.
cliffhbuber
17-Jun-05, 14:28
Having seen a TV program on the travelling (is that redundant?) Gypsies of Ireland, I am wondering if there is a similar group in Scotland or the Highlands? :eek:
There is really nothing comparable in Canada.
a fine day to all
Cliff
in the early nineties I remember some who had "set up camp" at the Kessock bridge. It literally looked like a scene from the Guy Ritchie film Snatch... the campsite was adorned with barking dogs, caravans, a couple of 70' transit vans and a horse (or pony I forget).
These folks were known as "jobbers" in polite circles, due to the fact that they made a living doing "jobs" such as roaming the countryside offering to tar peoples driveways etc.
In not so polite circles they were known as "black chiels" (due to working with tar I suppose), Gypos and Tinkers.
True to the movie, one day they all upped and bolted, did a moonlight flit - not sure what they left behind - might have to excavate the new Caley football stadium to find out...
I also think some strain of them run sideshows and such....
Anyone else know anything?
Having seen a TV program on the travelling (is that redundant?) Gypsies of Ireland, I am wondering if there is a similar group in Scotland or the Highlands? :eek:
There is really nothing comparable in Canada.
a fine day to all
Cliff
A lot of people are still pejudice against travelling people and their descendants over here. found the same thing in Canada against the Indians.
Seems to me that hereboy knows a bit too much about the breed.
Perhaps he is one himself.
Drutt - As for calling me a bigot, it seems that a sense of humour disappears when you sit at your computer. Perhaps speaking to real people would open your eyes a bit rather than casting judgment from the safety of your own home.
When did you last go outside?
Read the threads with interest. The camps are rife here in Easter Ross just now, Kessock, Muir of ord and Invergordon that I know of. They are commonly called Tinks or Breed around here but they've become generic terms for a certain type of non conformist anti social group of people. Strangest thing is theres a nice travelling peoples site with toilets and wash blocks at the football stadium in Inverness but these people set up camp in a lay by across the bridge less than a mile away. Any ideas??
Seems to me that hereboy knows a bit too much about the breed.
Perhaps he is one himself.
Sometimes people seek to build knowledge in an area with which they are unfamiliar. It's called an education. Something you seem to be sorely lacking. :roll:
Drutt - As for calling me a bigot, it seems that a sense of humour disappears when you sit at your computer. Perhaps speaking to real people would open your eyes a bit rather than casting judgment from the safety of your own home.
I am casting judgement? Ha, ha ha ha. The irony of it all. Please bear with me while I switch off my sense of incredulity. [lol]
Right, back now. You didn't like being judged, huh? You decided I know nothing about you, so have no right to call you a bigot? What's so big and clever about you that you have a right to criticise those you term 'tinks' without anyone pulling you up on it? Well?
When did you last go outside?
I am outside right now. I've been in the garden all afternoon with my laptop and a few cool drinks, and very nice it has been. Your point?
Fellas, fellas, where did it all go wrong?
There is an old African proverb which states “It takes a whole village to raise a child”.
With that in mind is it any wonder that bigotry and prejudice are alive, well and thriving in Caithness? I ask you if you will, to suspend judgement for a moment and reflect back to the types of conversations that took place in our villages as we grew up.
-grownups talking about people who were second generation inhabitants from other locales but were still called “outsiders”? even after 50 years!
-folk saying “oh did you hear what happened in the village today? Did you here what so-and-so did?”
-Did you ever take people as they really were back then or was your opinion of them coloured by the presumptions and prejudices of our family, teachers and friends without ever questioning why?
Now back to today – It is all very well for people to call other people bigots and prejudiced but I say “let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”. Whether you like it or not, the “village” mentality is an integral part of our psyche, it is who we are. The sooner we recognize this, the sooner we can do something about it. You can change stuff on the outside, like the language we use and the public face we choose to display… but in the deep, dark recesses of the unconsciousness, the “village” has left an indelible mark on the inside. This is our true self.
Drutt, as you reclined in the garden this afternoon, were you sharing drinks with tinks? Probably not. Not saying you should have been, but it makes a point.
So the state of us and our children is a reflection of our villages which is a reflection of the previous generation of us and our villages – it’s a vicious circle – what would it take to break it?
If you want to change what is happening on the outside, change what is happening on the inside.
For me, it’s not a problem, I never lived in a village – I’m a toonser!
(although there are some exceptional toonsers who have a village mentality)
And now that we have satisfactorily differentiated NEDs and CHAVs will someone please help me by explaining - what is the difference between, breed, minkers, tinkers, dachens, broon-balls, gypos, jobbers and those with a touch of the tar brush?
And now that we have satisfactorily differentiated NEDs and CHAVs will someone please help me by explaining - what is the difference between, breed, minkers, tinkers, dachens, broon-balls, gypos, jobbers and those with a touch of the tar brush?
None. Under ee skin, are wae no' aal Jock Tamson's bairns?
None. Under ee skin, are wae no' aal Jock Tamson's bairns?
Jock Tamson must have been busier than Sadlers Wells at stud!! There must be some amount of Child Benefit and Giros going into Jock's account.
If I remember correctly there was an article about "Tinklers" in the Groat some years ago. It was written by a lady whose name escapes me and was supposed to have run for more than one issue. However it created quite a bit of controversy and the rest of the article never appeared in the Groat. I guess the editor/owners did not have Piers Morgan sized cojones, either that or a lack of window and tyre insurance (nobody likes having their Firestones slashed)
There is good and bad in all levels of society and I think the current generation has little respect for authority in general and not just at the supposed lowest level. Still some people think times are a changin and "old men" like me need to move with the times. Ah well, blame Jock Tamson, if only he were Max Jaffa!!
I remember that! Seems the tinkers found the article degrading and complained bitterly. I thought it was factual. Not nice I suppose to think of your ancestors as being so poor they were forced to beg or steal and live in caves, neither is it nice for blacks to think of the slave trade, or the jews to think of the holocust - I could go on. The individual should look to the future and making things better rather than remaining bitter about the past.
These things happened - to our shame, but it's a bit much if we can't record them because of some people's sensibilities.
cliffhbuber
18-Jun-05, 09:19
A lot of us might think that today's generation ("My gen-generation" by The Who 1966) does not respect authority.
Living in the Highlands, those would come by that trait honestly as the clan 'gangbangers' of many centuries gone by, certainly had little respect for any authority coming from England, let alone Edinburgh
Many a tax collector from the Lowlands would be boiled alive!
I remember that! Seems the tinkers found the article degrading and complained bitterly. I thought it was factual. Not nice I suppose to think of your ancestors as being so poor they were forced to beg or steal and live in caves, neither is it nice for blacks to think of the slave trade, or the jews to think of the holocust - I could go on. The individual should look to the future and making things better rather than remaining bitter about the past.
These things happened - to our shame, but it's a bit much if we can't record them because of some people's sensibilities.
You still don't understand do you.
Many people find the word "tinker" itself offensive, very offensive, because it has been used to cause offence for so long. The descendants of travellers would be taunted with it in the playgrounds when they were children, it has been turned into term of derission.
If a newpaper ran an article about pakies or niggers there would be an outcry and probably a court case. There is no difference between that and running an article about "tinkers".
I accept your point. I don't think the article mentioned the word tinker in a degoratory way and refered to them as traveling people, The name tinker or tinkler, was only mentioned in the context that the name came from the craft of 'tinkering' making of pots and pans to sell. It was only their desperate poverty that grew worse over the years that set them aside from those better off.
And i know how dreadful it is for a child to be picked on for whatever reason in the playground. I was picked on because i was shy - but that's another story. And before you say I'm still not getting it, I understand how the name tinker can be compared to nigger because of the way it has been used and that it will take a long time for the stigma to be erased from the minds of those who have suffered from racist taunts.
What I'm trying to say is that they should not be ashamed of what they are - It is a way of life that will die out with no written history if their descendants continue to see it as a mark of shame.
I do believe there has been a couple of books written by descendants tho, so hopefully the tide is turning. Give it another few generations and it might be the in thing to be descended from the tinklers or romanies.
History is history, it cannot be re-written. Well perhaps by Hollywood in how the war was won. I see no problem at all in relating what went on in the past, that was the way it happened and to try to pretend we are somehow all more politically correct these days is idealistic nonsense. Things are pretty much the same now but it is not seen to be "correct" and much tut-tutting occurs over offence caused to poor sensitive souls from any minority background. We are almost in a bizzare reverse "racialism" situation now where it seems that the only people who are fair game for derogatory remarks are white, heterosexual males who have no religion. It is not hard to imagine why the BNP are getting the support they enjoy nowadays as our government bends over backwards to accomodate every minority group in the land and goes out of its way to ensure nobody gets called hurtful names.
I saw an episode of Fawlty Towers recently, I think it was from 1975. Anyway the Major was relating to Basil Fawlty a tale of taking his girlfriend to see India at the Oval playing a test match against England. The Major was appalled that his girlfriend kept referring to India as "The Niggers"
He responded "Oh no, that's not right, I can't have that, It's the West Indies that are the Niggers, these lot are Wogs"
It is 100% guaranteed that this would not be allowed on today's airwaves as a new comedy program but there it is running as a repeat on Sky Gold. What do we make of this? Does this mean John Cleese is a racist for writing such material? Should the program be banned for being politically incorrect? Should the" racist" parts be bleeped out or voiced over. Or should the program be allowed to stand as a reflection of the way attitudes were at the time it was produced?
As I said, I don't think much has really changed but it has to be seen to have supposedly changed. If anyone thinks they can end racism through censorship then they are kidding no one but themselves.
I saw an episode of Fawlty Towers recently, I think it was from 1975. Anyway the Major was relating to Basil Fawlty a tale of taking his girlfriend to see India at the Oval playing a test match against England. The Major was appalled that his girlfriend kept referring to India as "The Niggers"
He responded "Oh no, that's not right, I can't have that, It's the West Indies that are the Niggers, these lot are Wogs"
Does this mean John Cleese is a racist for writing such material? Should the program be banned for being politically incorrect? Should the" racist" parts be bleeped out or voiced over. Or should the program be allowed to stand as a reflection of the way attitudes were at the time it was produced?.
Of course it should be allowed to stand. It is not John Cleese who is racist but the type of character he was portraying in the major. such people exist - it's real life - we cannot change them by censoring the words, so why not have a laugh at them? This type of comedy makes fun of prejudice, belittling the major not those he calls names.
White people are honkies - but is this word banned?
Children are no longer taught the rhyme baa baa black sheep - heaven help us if we start offending SHEEP!
History is history, it cannot be re-written. Well perhaps by Hollywood in how the war was won. I see no problem at all in relating what went on in the past, that was the way it happened and to try to pretend we are somehow all more politically correct these days is idealistic nonsense. Things are pretty much the same now but it is not seen to be "correct" and much tut-tutting occurs over offence caused to poor sensitive souls from any minority background. We are almost in a bizzare reverse "racialism" situation now where it seems that the only people who are fair game for derogatory remarks are white, heterosexual males who have no religion. It is not hard to imagine why the BNP are getting the support they enjoy nowadays as our government bends over backwards to accomodate every minority group in the land and goes out of its way to ensure nobody gets called hurtful names.
It isn't just about race, sexuality and religion, there's age as well, those coffin dodgers can get very touchy at times and then there are the disabled, they hate it when you call them cripples the poor sensative souls. People born out of wedlock can be a bit choosy about how we refer to them at times too as can people who are overweight and people with learning difficulties, the list just goes on and on.
The old "it isn't me that's callous it's them that's sensative" get out isn't much of an excuse you know, it's just trying to heap the blame onto the abused.
You are talking about offensive name calling now, fred - a completely differnt thing.
These names are said with intent to hurt.
recording historical facts does not come into this catagory,
The fawlty towers episode would not be allowed now-a-days and I agree with that, but I still this particular scene is a direct hit at ignorance and prejudice and should be allowed to stand.
It isn't just about race, sexuality and religion, there's age as well, those coffin dodgers can get very touchy at times and then there are the disabled, they hate it when you call them cripples the poor sensative souls. People born out of wedlock can be a bit choosy about how we refer to them at times too as can people who are overweight and people with learning difficulties, the list just goes on and on.
The old "it isn't me that's callous it's them that's sensative" get out isn't much of an excuse you know, it's just trying to heap the blame onto the abused.
My point is about being unable to change what happened in the past. My wife is disabled and she hates the term "Spastic". She is glad that the word is not used as much these days but this does not alter the fact that the first place in the world for people with Cerebral Palsy (in New South Wales) was called "The Spastic Centre". Nor does it alter the fact that many people who look at my wife for the first time make assumptions about her based on the way she looks and suppose that she must be mentally as well as physically disabled. It is attitudes and not words that are in most need of change in my opinion. I am talking about the two-faced nature of those who make a big fuss about being seen to say and do the right thing in public, on TV etc but whose attitude is not changed in reality.
ps I am vertically enriched, have a positive weight equity and am insulin impoverished but I don't mind if you call me a tall, tubby, diabetic
to reply to all the above posts, the words "tink", "tinkler", "broonball" etc, etc are alive and well in Caithness today and will probably never go away because children learn from their parents and the racism goes on and on and on. Take it from someone who knows.... someone whos children didnt get invited to their classmates birthday parties because their parents didnt think they were nice kids because of their surnames. My husband, myself and my children have all been victimised in some shape or form over the years due to other peoples ignorance, but it is when you have console your children because they are heartbroken they havent been invited or involved in the latest goings on that really hurts. Think about it, didnt you ever feel uninvolved in something and feel left out, knowing you were missing something? No wonder what most of you would term "tinklers" stick together, most "good, honest fowk" wouldnt look down their noses and give other human beings the decent courtesy of being nice to them. It starts at school and just goes on and on. My children have great social lives with lots of friends, but it took a lot of hard work on their behalf, and their friends as well, to be accepted into so called normal life in Caithness. Think about what you say...... yes there are people out there with alternative ways of living life and have a family history that they are not so proud of, but whats so normal about you?!
meandhim
Well done, yours is the first sensible posting on what has turned into a typical whingeing
name calling trend, I hate to say I hope this is not the norm in Caithness these days, what must casual visitors to the message boards think of us
I agree with scotsboy and golach - that was a great post. If only people could recognise the prejudice in themselves and the discrimination all around them then maybe we could get past the pointless arguments about the futility of political correctness.
This isn't about being politically correct, folks! Just because you'd rather be called tall than 'vertically challenged' doesn't make it perfectly acceptable to use terms (like 'tink') which are used in a derogatory sense and are felt to be derogatory. Imagine yourself in others' shoes, being described in derogatory terms. Feels a little different to having the mick taken out of you for being tall/short/fat, huh?
This is about treating people as you'd wish to be treated. That certain terms have been used historically is no excuse. How shameful is it that the attitudes of some people in Caithness are no better than those held in the 19th, never mind 20th, century?
to reply to all the above posts, the words "tink", "tinkler", "broonball" etc, etc are alive and well in Caithness today and will probably never go away because children learn from their parents and the racism goes on and on and on. Take it from someone who knows.... someone whos children didnt get invited to their classmates birthday parties because their parents didnt think they were nice kids because of their surnames. My husband, myself and my children have all been victimised in some shape or form over the years due to other peoples ignorance, but it is when you have console your children because they are heartbroken they havent been invited or involved in the latest goings on that really hurts. Think about it, didnt you ever feel uninvolved in something and feel left out, knowing you were missing something? No wonder what most of you would term "tinklers" stick together, most "good, honest fowk" wouldnt look down their noses and give other human beings the decent courtesy of being nice to them. It starts at school and just goes on and on. My children have great social lives with lots of friends, but it took a lot of hard work on their behalf, and their friends as well, to be accepted into so called normal life in Caithness. Think about what you say...... yes there are people out there with alternative ways of living life and have a family history that they are not so proud of, but whats so normal about you?!
I quite agree with you, I don't think think these terms will ever go away because, as I said, it is the attitude that needs changing. People can be told that certain words are deemed inappropriate but this will not change their attitude one iota.
However I must point out that when I was at school no particular Surnames were singled out for name calling or for being left out of anything. Just about everybody got gyp for one reason or another, be it height, weight, looks or whatever. If they could not find anything to have a go at you for then they would turn to your parents or family for inspiration, everybody got their share and they never usually let up until you were in tears. Loads of people were left out of things like Birthday parties etc, it had nothing to do with Surnames and everything to do with whether you were in the clique or not.
I think you will find that loads of kids can relate to the scenario your own children went through, albeit that they may have experienced it for different reasons. I would be happy that your kids have many nice friends now and that they feel involved. I know that some people I was at school with remain "outsiders" because of their lifestyle, sexual orientation etc
Take it from someone who knows.... someone whos children didnt get invited to their classmates birthday parties because their parents didnt think they were nice kids because of their surnames. My husband, myself and my children have all been victimised in some shape or form over the years due to other peoples ignorance, but it is when you have console your children because they are heartbroken they havent been invited or involved in the latest goings on that really hurts. ?!
That's terrible! I'm awfully sorry for what you musth've gone through. My parents were the older generation but any child was welcome in our house!
But what scorrie says is correct - there was a lot of singling out for all sorts of reasons. I remember one little boy who no one would play with because he had bad eczema.
However, I accept that you are in a position to tell us like it is. I hope things are a lot better now-a-days!
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882).
Most people associate this quote with the unlimited potential that lies within us and see it as a positive thing, however there is a caveat.
The thing that lies within us is our incessant need to pigeon hole and label everything. In so doing we are actually encouraging the identification and hence ranking of the characteristics about us and each other that set us apart. We therefore place value in belonging to one group over another, Labour vs Tory, Protestant vs Catholic, Blue Collar vs White Collar, tall vs short, rich vs poor, Halkirk vs Castletown, healthy vs sick, old vs young, Lybster vs …well just about anywhere.
The illusion is that one label is somehow beter than another. In reality one preference over another is just different, not better.
It is being different (our diversity) as individuals within a population that makes our communities strong and sustainable (thankfully inbreeding has largely been reduced to a “bit of a hobby” for the most part). It is only by exploring, understanding and embracing our differences that we will make our communities places that would be worthy of raising our children.
It is not about what is derogatory or not derogatory as these change with each passing season. Its not about political correctness, all that does is give us neater labels – most of that stuff is just fluff to mask the real issue. We want to be unique, different, special and our current mindset says that the only way to do it is to create labels that alienate us from each other instead of bringing us together.
I am etc.
PS. Do I win 5 pounds?
Yep, you win 5 pounds but your post is worth far more than money. -H
Thankyou....I'll be here all week.
That post was worth much more than £5.
I see a chav as someone who is slightly paranoid, believing the world owes them a living and blaming all their misfortunes on who they are rather than seeing it is in fact, how they conduct themselves that influences the direction of their life.
Also Glebers, but I believe that Holburn Avenue is now attracting a better class of tink, some may say chavesque.
I have been reading your other postings in other themes, and I have decided that you must be the most bigoted human backside I have ever come upon in this web site.
I am a Gleeber and my mother and her mother before her were Gleebers probably before you were born, and no way would consider myself a tink.....I personally know the family you are miscrying, I went to school with them and played with them as a bairn, my own father told me they were the hardest working men he had ever had the pleasure of working with.
Aye its great and noble to mock and deride the less fortunates, because you have a computer and think maybe they don't, shows your education and manners or the lack of them
this for someone in other link called tinklers
i think u all should grow up and stop being racist (http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A1f4cfa0tuNIb34BnmJLBQx./SIG=164094ki8/EXP=1222969396/**http%3A//uk.search.yahoo.com/search%3Fei=UTF-8%26y=Search%26rd=r1%26fr=yfp-t-501%26p=racist%26SpellState=n-1565369210_q-SchyJyY1laL7VDmnoLHW7gAAAA%2540%2540%26fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top) , people in ormlie have a lot more than u think i have i got an upto date computer, thank you i also own my own home what do u have , so as i said grow up, well as u may not be aware i work in bt abuse team and now that you have been righting these types of comments you are now going to be liable for slander as , Bill Fernny will have to supply the Ip addresses of each post to Fib, if you do not know what fib mean . let me tell you fedral investigation bureau for Internet problems and every police station in the uk has one officer that has to deal with this types of comments.
...u may not be aware i work in bt abuse team and now that you have been righting these types of comments you are now going to be liable for slander...
Errr, "slander" is spoken - "libel" is written...
"Fib"?...
Tighsonas4
01-Oct-08, 20:32
[quote=hereboy;23752]CHAV apprently stands for "Council House And Violent" according to them down south.
Up North its from the old norse word roughly translated to "come-hev-at-me".
But as Raj Boat says lets get back onto tinks - what about "broon balls" and "dachens" how are they different from "breed
the brownbull was more a race that is gone big with rouch features
funnily enouch dachens is more of a thurso word never heard it used much at this end of the county
anyone any ideas why this should be tony
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