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Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 21:26
Poll Open for 48 Hours
Quite frankly I do not believe that any of the parties are fit to govern the country - vote Gordon Campbell!!!
Oh heck. You put others and I am not sure I have seen everyones manifesto yet so I can't put none of the above. Bother, ain't it complicated!?
changilass
29-Apr-07, 21:35
I always vote, there is no one other than myself needs to know how I choose to vote, even hubby wouldnt ask me how I voted, he does however know as I made the choice to share it with him:D
So sorry, but this is one poll I wont be voting on:~(
based on all the pre-election claptrap I've heard, the party that most appeals to me from a policies point of view would be SSP, however I won't vote for them because they don't stand a chance and because I don't believe that unless they got overall control they (which they won't) that they could actually deliver all or even many of their promises.
I always vote, there is no one other than myself needs to know how I choose to vote, even hubby wouldnt ask me how I voted, he does however know as I made the choice to share it with him:D
So sorry, but this is one poll I wont be voting on:~(
I agree with your sentiment Changilass, but the poll is phrased more to get an idea of which party you would like to win rather than necessarily who you would actually vote for. Not quite the same thing. I would vote tactically rather than for the party I choose as none of the parties currently offer a manifesto which I consider to be sufficiently realistic, fair, forward-planning and beneficial to the electorate.
changilass
29-Apr-07, 21:52
Point taken emb123, I have now voted on the poll, sorry gogglebox for not reading it properly.
Well looking at your choices I am going to have to vote "none of the above", much as it grieves me . I can not vote tactically because that would be like voting for a ladder with 40 rotten rungs instead of 50 when I am down a 60 foot hole (quite pleased with that one). I don't believe that the parties listed represent the people and things I care about personally and globally. I cant vote "others" because I have no idea what that is and who would get excited about it. Still undecided does not really encapsulate what I feel and upsets people. I certainly would not consider "don't/won't vote" If none of the above was at the bottom I'd use it. Hang on please count this as a spoiled paper (without the green issue of spoiling paper).
Politicians in my view have just one agenda ....... tell the electorate what they want to hear to get elected and then disappear back under their rocks until they actually get something to happen or until they need your vote the year after.
I to do not like most of the local candidates (some of whom have trouble stringing a sentence together if you challenge their party's policies) and have only been impressed by one who had the time to talk and had time to talk to the kids too!! - Now he is the exception from whom i think the others should take thier lead, as i think that is how they should be - after all at the end of the day they are representing you and if they do not have time for you now you stand no hope after May 3.
I find it refreshing and encouraging that both Labour and Conservative have no support, as i cannot find a person i like in either party, especially the leaders / potential leaders!!
Tom Cornwall
30-Apr-07, 00:11
I agree with your sentiment Changilass, but the poll is phrased more to get an idea of which party you would like to win rather than necessarily who you would actually vote for. Not quite the same thing. I would vote tactically rather than for the party I choose as none of the parties currently offer a manifesto which I consider to be sufficiently realistic, fair, forward-planning and beneficial to the electorate.
if that is the case, I think you will never vote for a party, because no-one would be able to satisfy you
Just like to remind everyone that by voting SNP will ensure the gates of Dounreay will close quicker. Lib Dem are stating they plan to be 100% renewable which I assume means more and more wind farms and maybe wave generators so again bye bye Dounreay and bye bye tourists and it was a Lib Dem that had the idea of road charging bye the mile. Labour plan to bring back Nuclear and if this turns out to be Dounreay then this would benefit the Caithness economy.
Conservative well not really sure of their agenda and may need more research here.
Remember this is not a general election.
I personally don't care who the rest of the country vote for but vote for Caithness.
Just like to remind everyone that by voting SNP will ensure the gates of Dounreay will close quicker.
http://www.ukaea.org.uk/sites/centre_of_excellence.html
SNP wants to see Dounreay as centre of excellence for decommissioning
Rob Gibson MSP, the SNP's parliamentary candidate in Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, visited Dounreay at the end of March. A key topic of discussion was the setting up of a centre of excellence in decommissioning skills based in Caithness and, as a top priority, to harness the tidal power of the Pentland Firth through new jobs in Caithness. While on site he visited the Pulsed Column Lab and the D2001 workshops and also held discussions with senior management and trade union leaders.
Rob, a member of the Scottish Parliament's Environment and Rural Affairs Committee said: "The future of the Caithness economy needs a steady hand on the tiller. The skills are already in Caithness, the natural resource is here to look at exploiting the potential of the Pentland Firth. It is important that the highly skilled workforce see a long term future to allow them to stay in the area after Dounreay is decommissioned."
SNP wants to see Dounreay as a centre of excellence for decommissioning
It is important that the highly skilled workforce see a long term future to allow them to stay in the area after Dounreay is decommissioned.
Appears to be a bit contradictory and can't see Dounreay being involved in wave generators and not to mention funding for both current decommissioning and the proposed research.
The SNP have made it clear on many occasions that they are against Nuclear and the waste it produces in Scotland.
peter macdonald
30-Apr-07, 17:33
"Just like to remind everyone that by voting SNP will ensure the gates of Dounreay will close quicker. Lib Dem are stating they plan to be 100% renewable which I assume means more and more wind farms and maybe wave generators so again bye bye Dounreay and bye bye tourists and it was a Lib Dem that had the idea of road charging bye the mile. Labour plan to bring back Nuclear and if this turns out to be Dounreay then this would benefit the Caithness economy."
Hmmm well why have they this in their manifesto "At least 50% of electricity from renewable energy by 2020. " and since they have been in power for 10 years why havent they done more to keep Dounreay from being run down ???
Maybe this is a clue
http://www.nuclearspin.org/index.php/Tony_Blair .....In other words the guy has spun more than a Shane Warne googlie
lets be honest about this new labour have not exactly broken sweat over Dounreays future
I think John Thursos comment in the Scotsman summed it up a some time ago
"John Thurso, the Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross MP, said the site would be too remote from where the electricity would be used. "There is not the transmission capacity to take the electricity from Dounreay to the Central Belt. I would love it if it came to Dounreay because it would bring lots of jobs, but it won't.""
Conservative well not really sure of their agenda and may need more research here.
Remember this is not a general election.
I personally don't care who the rest of the country vote for but vote for Caithness.
Yes as we all do ...so why vote for something that has by and large ignored the place??????
Jeemag_USA
01-May-07, 00:33
There are many poeple in Caithness who never wanted Dounraey there in the first place, many of them long since passed. Dounreay has had an effect on my large family through jobs and what not, but I don't care, I'd be quite happy for it to be gone. Get rid of it move on, its going to happen sometime anyway, so the timing of it is neither here no there, people should be prepared for it. You know any government of the UK wouldn't give two hoots about Caithness if they decided to scrap Dounraey. There is plenty of business that can be brought to Caithness without having to worry about an aging re processing plant. Good riddance to it if it goes. Only two members of my seven strong immediate family have never worked there, I refused to even apply for the place. Let them move it to London if they want it.
Having heard the five candidates at the hustings in Thurso last Friday, there was only one that impressed me and unfortunately he belongs to a party I really wouldn't want to vote for. Which leaves me in a bit of a fix.:confused
Having heard the five candidates at the hustings in Thurso last Friday, there was only one that impressed me and unfortunately he belongs to a party I really wouldn't want to vote for. Which leaves me in a bit of a fix.:confused
The point that I would like to make is that is because your opinion of that party has been consumed by the actions of its leadership which will be different next month. The party has some genuine pacifist MSPs and the prty is one that supports nuke so mitigating the need for onshore wind. Put your cross where counts for the issues that matter you most.
If we just ignore Blair's foreign policy and accept that any other party leader would have done more or less the same then Blair would still be leading a popular party. I accept he made a mistake over Iraq but I fail to see the point in raking him over the coals time and time again. He erred now lets move on.
By voting other than Libdem or labour then we could be in danger of sending Scotland into extreme political territory where the economy is of less concern than the national pride.
zenmaster
01-May-07, 22:01
If we just ignore Blair's foreign policy and accept that any other party leader would have done more or less the same then Blair would still be leading a popular party.
True, any UK Prime minister would have done the same, but I doubt that an independant Scottish FM would.
Why was this poll live for such a short period of time? Ive only just noticed it! :confused
Bill Fernie
01-May-07, 22:37
Poll re-opened for one more day by request
Gogglebox
01-May-07, 22:52
Thanks Bill
j4bberw0ck
02-May-07, 11:41
Came across this wee song for Jack McConnell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuvLVXXKt6I
Apologies if it's been seen before :D
Came across these about wee fat eck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ0qYKBPCXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH-jUieW9c4
to show I am not biased LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZKvKK5lbCU
weeboyagee
02-May-07, 13:13
The Scotsman on the front page of the org and the usual take on the political status of the parties in their poll commissioned so close to the voting day.
The SNP are the talk of the nation and rightly so.
The Scotsman's desparate bid to try and rally against the SNP looks pure and simply - silly!!!
The political broadcast of the SNP was to be commended - well thought out, stated the changes it wanted to make, encouraging hope and belief in what they are about - everybody referring to the time for change - and highlighting through the clips in it's broadcast the various issues they want to address as a party - education, health, armed forces etc. I don't recall a direct swipe at any other political party throughout the broadcast.
The Labour broadcast last night was a disgrace. Concentrating on the 10 reasons why NOT to vote for the SNP. If ever a party was scared, it's Labour and it showed last night. All centred around why not to vote SNP and not what Labour can do - if they believed they were doing such a good job they would highlight their past performance and preach it from the roof tops - if they believed it was the basis to build on for the future they would then refer to what that future is going to be under Labour - the only thing that they referred to was a 30 second video sound bite at the end of kids in t-shirts with Saltires on them and a picture of the Saltire in the sand and saying that they wanted to focus on education.
No matter the political persuasion of the country and the individual constituencies and their candidates I would be ashamed of being a Labour supporter and seeing my party put up such a pathetic fight for seats. But then I am no Labour supporter am I????
Then I heard this morning about the debate between the local candidates. Who shone through (and this is as I believe not from an SNP persuaded individual) - Rob Gibson. As has Alex Samond on every debate I have seen to date.
Gordon Brown was the icing on the cake with his pathetic retort - to the reporter who asked would he work with Alex Samond if he were Prime Minister and Alex Samond were First Minister of Scotland. He didn't reply directly saying that he couldn't accept a party with etc, etc, etc,...... The reporter directed him to the fact that was not what he asked and again asked if he would work with Alex Samond. AGAIN,......Gordon Brown said that he couldn't accept the party with the policies the like of the SNP. Mr Brown, if you become Prime Minister and if God willing, this nation votes in an SNP majority - you will create political suicide by working against the party that the Scots vote in. You will show that you are willing to give them a parliament but only if the political status of that parliament suits!
The SNP gets my vote - as it has gotten it before - but they are far more worthy deserved of it this time because of the way that they have endeared themselves to the Scottish people - this time than they or any of the rest of them have or have ever done so before.
Council elections are one thing but for the nation,........
VOTE SNP!
WBG :cool:
It happens to all political parties, they get voted in then they get voted out then they get voted in. Fact is, no political party gets a free lunch from the media and that is what has poisoned the British electorate against Blair. I'll give Salmond 2 years and his party will be rock bottom of the polls and no independence referendum in sight.
If a referendum isn't held then yet another party has failed to stand by its election promises. If one is held and Scotland stays in the Union then the SNP is a dead duck without a mandate. If one is held and Scotland goes alone then they have to be the only political party in history to actually improve beyond belief the lives of its citizens to avoid a witch hunt by the media. Of course they will always have the 'we have inherited this problem' line, but that will only work for so long before we aren't strung along by it.
There is no going back...
peter macdonald
02-May-07, 14:42
"Fact is, no political party gets a free lunch from the media "
Rheggers have you ever read the Daily Record ??? You may have over the years noticed a pro New labour stance As with its sister paper the Sunday Mail the editorials have consisantly rubbished all other forms of political life in Scotland whether that be Tory lib or SNP but then again I wonder which paper gets a heck of the lot of advertising revenue from the Scottish Exc??
I also would point out that since the New Labour party complained about the BBCs reporting not being favourable the illustrious corporation have seriously toned down their reporting of the election .. just take a look at the weblogs on the BBC Scotland website
Also I wonder why Trident hasnt raised its head in this election a little more ??
I would have thought having such a weapon on Scotlands or North British soil but under the control of the USA would have been more of a talking point
All best Rheggers Ill read your thoughts when I get back
PM
Also I wonder why Trident hasnt raised its head in this election a little more ??
The trident program directly supports 300 jobs in Caithness not to mention all the taxis, shops that benefit from it.
I know the Ministry of Defence is holding out on its decision to extend its operations to 2022 depending on the outcome of the election. With an SNP led independent Scotland there is no way those jobs can be kept let alone the 3rd generation investment in Scotland after that.
Gogglebox
02-May-07, 18:33
Still am undecided on where to put my cross on Thursday but the leader that has impressed me most during the campaign has been Annabelle Goldie
Dont think i could vote tory though David Cameron is so limp i want to slap him and cant forgive them for past misdeeds in Scotland
Goldie has been the only one that has shown any conviction about anything
McConnell has just told us how bad SNP are and nothing about what Labour will do
Nicol Steven is so insipid he's like a wet paperbag and is waiting for the coalition phone call - another stitch up
and even the campaigning tyrant Alex Salmond has not been passionate about what he actually believes in this time and has ditched principles for power at any cost
Too young for Senior Citizens Party, too sensible to go down the socialist mess of infighting and all the party's have stolen the Greens policys
The choice on Thursday is that there is no choice just an acceptance of mediocrity.
Disillusioned with politics- - Yes.
Little wonder the younger voters dont bother
My only consolation is i can girn about it for the next four years if i vote so vote i will!!
Also noticed the MOD/Royal Navy awarded a contract to a Scottish yard recently for Carriers. Convenient at election time.
Even if the SNP were elected we will still have the remaining time until a general election under the control of Labour which would block the SNP at every opportunity in order to make them look like a failure. The other worry is if they feel Scotland WILL vote SNP at a general election they may start asset stripping so very little will be left for an SNP government as they will have the control and time to do this.
I read in a paper recently that If Scotland were independent they would only have light Infantry and Scottish Military personnel would be given the option of returning and serving their own Country. This would suggest that we will be without equipment, vehicles, ships, aircraft etc. Scottish people also paid for this equipment so should not be without.
Gogglebox
02-May-07, 21:41
I think Alex Salmond would be delighted if the Org poll was representative and wee Jack would be jumping off the roof of Holyrood
Oh well in 9 1/2 hours we can do it for real and await the dawn of the new parliament, whoever wins, on Friday morning and reap the untold benefits that this election campaign has promised us - - -Aye right!!
Wont see them all again til next election and they come crawling again !!
Malcolmdog
03-May-07, 01:29
Even in Canada the SNP is making front page news.
Toronto Star newspaper : " A Scottish Fling with Sovereignty" perhaps a made in Scotland version of Canada's sovereignty association.
http://www.thestar.com/article/208350
The article ends with " Its been said that Scotland is an Argument. That's so true. It's where the enlightenment came from and it's exactly what is happening today"
What are your thoughts on this article?
Even in Canada the SNP is making front page news.
Toronto Star newspaper : " A Scottish Fling with Sovereignty" perhaps a made in Scotland version of Canada's sovereignty association.
http://www.thestar.com/article/208350
The article ends with " Its been said that Scotland is an Argument. That's so true. It's where the enlightenment came from and it's exactly what is happening today"
What are your thoughts on this article?
Interesting article. I liked the bit "For Prime Minister Tony Blair, the timing of it all is the stuff of nightmares, for this election happens also to coincide with the 10th anniversary of his premiership. And any Scot you stop in the street will tell you immediately, this vote is not about independence so much as it is about smiting Blair. Throughout the U.K., it seems, voters have had their fill of New Labour. It just so happens that the timing of this week's elections enables Scotland to deliver the first kick.".
After all, a vote for SNP is not necessarily a vote for independence which would be decided by public referendum and not be an immediately and automatic follow-up of an SNP general election victory. It would definitely 'smite' Blair though :)
Jeemag_USA
04-May-07, 01:38
Quite surprised overall by the little org poll to be honest with you, almost 50% for SNP and the rest spread almost evenly across seven other options. I hope the SNP do get a majority in Scotland. Everyone always tars them with the nationalist brush but to me tey have always been choc full of talented politicians, and I hope tey get a chance to prove to everyone how competent they really are. Winnie Ewing was the first politician I ever met, I always thought she was a shining light in the Highland political scene!
DO it for Winnie :cool:
~~Tides~~
04-May-07, 19:06
We cant even run an election. How are we going to run a country?
Jeemag_USA
04-May-07, 20:52
We cant even run an election. How are we going to run a country?
There is hardly a democratic government in the west that can have an election without some kind of problem.
How are we going to run a country....? The only way to do that is to be optimistic and come together as a nation of people who want what best for each other ;)
We cant even run an election. How are we going to run a country?You could have voted for me. I didn't get into Holyrood but I am now a proud councillor. :D
Congratulations, Crayola. If I'd known where you were putting up for the Council I'd have moved house so I could vote for you! ;)
I know you will do your best and I'm sure you will make a good Councillor.
Thank you Jaws. My first private member's bill will provide free broomsticks on the NHS. Oops, I'd forgotten, I didn't make it to Holyrood and Nicola S doesn't approve of me anyways. Maybe next time, eh?
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