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What will scotland wake up to, politically, on 4th may ?
Karia
Bobinovich
28-Apr-07, 20:21
So dissolutioned am I in the whole political scene that I fear it'll just be more of the same that we've been dealt up over the last few years :~(
I'd love to be proved wrong!
sweetheart
28-Apr-07, 21:03
After the next poll, we'll be ruled by fools whos policies are a load of twaddle
and deceptions. They'll do imperial things, like make war on the poor,
kill some brown skinned people near the equator. They'll screw up the
finances by approaching a libertarian world trade-market using 20th century
socialist welfare mediocrity... it won't work without the extra free dole money
from westminster, so the big fat 300 years old baby will stay on the teat and
give another generations of youngsters to the next mass extermination
and redemption of heathens.
God save the army and its war, its all the culture's fightin' for.
Just remember to vote on Thursday! I believe if you dont vote you have no right to credit or discredit the politicians.
Just remember to vote on Thursday! I believe if you dont vote you have no right to credit or discredit the politicians.
Second that one Golach. I vote everytime then we can have our moan if we do not like the next re elaected or new polticians policies.
Schoolhouse Blues
29-Apr-07, 00:51
After the next poll, we'll be ruled by fools whos policies are a load of twaddle
and deceptions. They'll do imperial things, like make war on the poor,
kill some brown skinned people near the equator. They'll screw up the
finances by approaching a libertarian world trade-market using 20th century
socialist welfare mediocrity... it won't work without the extra free dole money
from westminster, so the big fat 300 years old baby will stay on the teat and
give another generations of youngsters to the next mass extermination
and redemption of heathens.
God save the army and its war, its all the culture's fightin' for.
Sweetheart - it could be so different this time, for the first time ever! The world is watching.
And Golach is absolutely right - we've got to vote because ordinary people like you and I have spilt blood and lost their lives in years past so that we have a democratic voice. It it was not for them, perhaps you and I would be fighting for that right today!
In absolute agreement with you Golach.
No point saying I am abstaining as a point of principle - use your vote or never complain about the elected body.
If you abstain the party you do not wish to elect may be elected, one vote can change things, so make your vote go the way you want it to go.
I strongly disagree. I think that a no vote should be counted as a value. It demonstrates a disenchantment or at least a disengagement with the candidates/system. I will probably spoil my paper this year a feeling a lack of trust unless some one can convince me differently.
Not apathy just anger as peoples lives are ruined or made by game play.
Of course. I don't believe my spoiled paper will count for much.
I agree with stratman. It's a perfectly valid way to register a vote by not voting or spoiling the voting paper.
Sorry Gleeber I disagree, I think it should be compulsary, to vote, if everybody voted maybe we would not be having these discussions, about apathy. and lack of trust
Compulsary to vote !!
Then you are forcing someone to vote for a party that they might not want to vote for, specially for reasons given above by stratman,
Compulsary to vote !!
Then you are forcing someone to vote for a party that they might not want to vote for, specially for reasons given above by stratman,
There is always a choice Solus, I am not saying our electoral system is perfect, but IMO the apathy shown by the "I am not going to vote" bunch, (which is their right of course), is not the way to show the Government how we feel.
I have voted at every election since I was 21 and that was many years ago, it is my given right, and I will use it, I have the choice, but I ask anyone who did or does not vote, not to enter into any political debate with me after May 3rd
There is not a choice if you were to make voting compulsary !!
vote for A.B.C. or D, " but i dont like any of them "
but you must vote for one !!!!
pure twaddle forcing some one to vote ! its your right to vote, its also your right not to !
Schoolhouse Blues
29-Apr-07, 13:45
RON?
When I was at Uni, all student elections were Single Transferable Vote (same as the Council vote next week) but along with the candidates, all voters had an option to vote 'Re-Open Nominations'. There were often campaigns run anonymously with famous RON's (Reagan) used to promote the option.
In US, there has been 'none of the above' in some elections, unfortunately not in the presidential ones![lol]
I think I'm voting for the candidate who puts the least amount of rubbish through my letterbox. I find something creepy and untrustworthy about self-promotion at the best of times but nobody can beat a person with the power to do good, but always spoiled because they're actually only in it to further themselves in some way.
Some of the pure cheese put through my letterbox this week has only left me with the realization that if these people (Be it in a position or aspiring to it) were doing a good job we'd already have made our minds up and already know all about their policies and views. The fact that we don't, on the whole, tells me that they should in fact be working harder all through the year instead of relying on picking-up a few dunces votes because they recognise the name on the ballot paper.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the principal of canvassing but in all honesty it only brings about the small number of floating voters (Definition: Human beings who are too lazy to be interested for more than a week at election time/Selfish people who only see past their own agenda even if it's for the greater good. Delete as appropriate.)
:lol:
There is always a choice Solus, I am not saying our electoral system is perfect, but IMO the apathy shown by the "I am not going to vote" bunch, (which is their right of course), is not the way to show the Government how we feel.
I have voted at every election since I was 21 and that was many years ago, it is my given right, and I will use it, I have the choice, but I ask anyone who did or does not vote, not to enter into any political debate with me after May 3rd
There may always be a choice but if it is the wrong choice should you be forced to make it?
There may always be a choice but if it is the wrong choice should you be forced to make it?
As said earlier I have voted in every Council and Parliamentary elections since 1961, I feel my forefathers went through a lot to get me the privilage to vote, I have not been a sheep IMO, I do not follow the flock and do not generally follow the masses. I am my own man I have a mind of my own.
I have never been stuck for choice in the past. So I cannot see a problem in the future. If I make a wrong choice this time, its only 4 years until I can change my mind again
I've always felt that voting is an obligation which if we fail to meet then until the next term of office we are not really entitled to make any comment within political discussions other than 'I didn't vote because...' or 'I was too lazy to vote'.
I feel that there would be a place for 'None of the above' to be a valid box on voting papers, to take the place of spoiled papers which could mean anything.
It'll never happen but I think a nice idea would be for the number of 'none of the above' votes to count as a negative votes to counter an equal number of positive votes for all the parties, such that the overall tally for some parties would effectively be a minus number.... with a requirement that a set minimum number of votes be attained before a party can consider itself elected and a re-election forced in 2 months time if there was no overall winner. Might force politicians to come up with policies that people actually want.... either that or we'd have ten years of continuous elections every couple of months until a government has finally been elected.
There are so many stupid ideas in politics and ideas designed to appeal to specific subsets of society - mainly selfish and bigoted wealthy married couples (which would seem to describe most politicians oddly enough).
I strongly disagree. I think that a no vote should be counted as a value. It demonstrates a disenchantment or at least a disengagement with the candidates/system. I will probably spoil my paper this year a feeling a lack of trust unless some one can convince me differently.
Not apathy just anger as peoples lives are ruined or made by game play.
There are countries with no freedom to vote and cutizens would 'give and arm and al eg' to have the right to express a democratic wish.
You have the right - use it!!
If you care enough to go along and 'spoil' a ballot paper, then you have strong opinions!
If you don't like the options facing you..why don't you stand?
At very least talk to your candidates, explain your strength of feeling,see what they can do to bring your feelings to the fore !
If they fail, as Golach says, 4 years ..vote em out!
Spoiled papers, what does it achieve?
How do we know what you don't agree with!
If it is the democratic process that you feel is failing you ...
Why are you participating in it ??
Karia
Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 19:16
Couldnt we have an org poll for the Scottish Election just on the parties rather than specifically the candidates just to get a feel for the local feeling, in the same way as the current opinion polls are done, run it for 24 hours or so and the results would be interesting.
Obviously the breakdown because of the constituent vote and the regional vote would be a little more complicated to do but a straight which party to run the country would be good
Any Chance Admin ???
Couldnt we have an org poll for the Scottish Election just on the parties rather than specifically the candidates just to get a feel for the local feeling, in the same way as the current opinion polls are done, run it for 24 hours or so and the results would be interesting.
Obviously the breakdown because of the constituent vote and the regional vote would be a little more complicated to do but a straight which party to run the country would be good
Any Chance Admin ???
I think that would be a terrific idea
There are countries with no freedom to vote and cutizens would 'give and arm and al eg' to have the right to express a democratic wish.
You have the right - use it!!
I will use it by spoiling my paper as is my right, hard earned by my forefathers.
its only 4 years until I can change my mind again
If a week is a long time in politics 4 years is hardly measurable!!
Spoiled papers, what does it achieve?
How do we know what you don't agree with!
If it is the democratic process that you feel is failing you ...
Why are you participating in it ??
Karia
As I said I feel that a none vote should be taken into account and given a value. I can not opt out of a system that is governing my life and I do not believe our system to be democratic.
Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 19:50
Couldnt we have an org poll for the Scottish Election just on the parties rather than specifically the candidates just to get a feel for the local feeling, in the same way as the current opinion polls are done, run it for 24 hours or so and the results would be interesting.
Obviously the breakdown because of the constituent vote and the regional vote would be a little more complicated to do but a straight which party to run the country would be good
Any Chance Admin ???
Could include Undecided as an option as it would be interesting to see how many are still not sure
Be good to compare then on Friday to see how representative the org was
Could include Undecided as an option as it would be interesting to see how many are still not sure
Be good to compare then on Friday to see how representative the org was
Sensible! Undecide or "none of these"
Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 19:58
Sensible! Undecide or "none of these"
sounds fair and covers all
As I said I feel that a none vote should be taken into account and given a value. I can not opt out of a system that is governing my life and I do not believe our system to be democratic.
What value should a 'non' vote have?
with all due respect, how can anyone tell what you disagree with?
if you already pay council tax, income tax etc..and don't feel you agree with
them, how are you voicing your discontent?
Nothing against you personally, just don't see how leaving some litter in a polling station is gonna tell anyone anything!
What value should a 'non' vote have?
with all due respect, how can anyone tell what you disagree with?
if you already pay council tax, income tax etc..and don't feel you agree with
them, how are you voicing your discontent?
Nothing against you personally, just don't see how leaving some litter in a polling station is gonna tell anyone anything!
But by voting for someone I don't agree with just to please the system I am giving them the ok to do that thing I don't agree with and my vote would be misread. Thus how can anyone tell what I disagree with and more dangerously they would believe they had my blessing. How am I voicing my discontent?
But by voting for someone I don't agree with just to please the system I am giving them the ok to do that thing I don't agree with and my vote would be misread. Thus how can anyone tell what I disagree with and more dangerously they would believe they had my blessing. How am I voicing my discontent?
I agree completely.
However I am also of the opinion that a spoiled paper is too inconclusive. I firmly believe that there should be an option to specifically vote to signify that none of the listed parties are satisfactory.
Couldnt we have an org poll for the Scottish Election just on the parties rather than specifically the candidates just to get a feel for the local feeling, in the same way as the current opinion polls are done, run it for 24 hours or so and the results would be interesting.
Obviously the breakdown because of the constituent vote and the regional vote would be a little more complicated to do but a straight which party to run the country would be good
Any Chance Admin ???
Gogglebox, you have .orger status, set up your own poll
I agree completely.
However I am also of the opinion that a spoiled paper is too inconclusive. I firmly believe that there should be an option to specifically vote to signify that none of the listed parties are satisfactory.
Too true, too true. Then people would believe people like me are exercising our democratic right (which I would be anyway).
I agree completely.
However I am also of the opinion that a spoiled paper is too inconclusive. I firmly believe that there should be an option to specifically vote to signify that none of the listed parties are satisfactory.
Now that is an interesting concept [lol]
I think a good test of all the candidates green credentials will be if all of the signs currently littering our lamposts are all cleared away by the weekend, if I remember the previous elections there were signs hanging from the lamposts for weeks after the elections.
Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 20:42
Gogglebox, you have .orger status, set up your own poll
Wouldnt have a clue how to though!!
Any clues or do you fancy having a go for us
Wouldnt have a clue how to though!!
Any clues or do you fancy having a go for us
Start a new thread give it a title, then scroll to the bottom of the page where the tools for a poll are, .....think out your questions first and the best of luck
'undecided',
'what does that say? ....
you haven't convinced me one way or the other.
so if it bothered you that much....did you ask?..
question.?.
suggest?
get the explaination that it took to make you decide?
what was your contribution...??
obviously you've been thinking about it..right?
Undecided,..
..the vote for...oh, i don't know...whatever!
If its not on the agenda, why didn't you put it there??
Karia
Sensible! Undecide or "none of these"
'undecided',
'what does that say? ....
you haven't convinced me one way or the other.
so if it bothered you that much....did you ask?..
question.?.
suggest?
get the explaination that it took to make you decide?
what was your contribution...??
obviously you've been thinking about it..right?
Undecided,..
..the vote for...oh, i don't know...whatever!
If its not on the agenda, why didn't you put it there??
Karia
My sentence was a polite way of saying "none of these" was superior to undecided as sugested by another orger.
Gogglebox
29-Apr-07, 21:34
Start a new thread give it a title, then scroll to the bottom of the page where the tools for a poll are, .....think out your questions first and the best of luck
Finally sussed it
I put undecided on for all those who have still to make their mind up as i think thats an interesting stat at this election and also Who wont actually bother going to vote
Couldnt list all the partys so went for main 4 and grouped rest as Others
Put none of above for those who would like to vote but dont like the choices
Hope its ok
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