No say.

[piratelassie]

Cameron and co. get their wish to bomb syria. So lets get this straight, since the referendum, Scotland has been landed with: A government that makes Thatcher's era look moderate. Austerity cuts that are crippling the poorest in our country. Trident renewal against our wishes. Job losses on a massive scale , despite promises to the contrary to fool people to vote no. Now we are getting draged into another war despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it. If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.

[Westward]

Cameron and co. get their wish to bomb syria. So lets get this straight, since the referendum, Scotland has been landed with: A government that makes Thatcher's era look moderate. Austerity cuts that are crippling the poorest in our country. Trident renewal against our wishes. Job losses on a massive scale , despite promises to the contrary to fool people to vote no. Now we are getting draged into another war despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it. If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.

Yes indeed, time to stand up and be counted, as it were.
But how many will, too few I fear, why? who knows, only them..

[cptdodger]

If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.

I actually feel sorry for your family, and any friends you may have. You cannot debate, it is your way or no way. You have to resort to insults and name calling in every single post you write.

[davth]

The no vote was democracy in action as was the yes vote to attack Syria.
Where is the problem?

[dc1]

last I heard we were part of the uk so the vote was democratic and fair

[golach]

Cameron and co. get their wish to bomb syria. So lets get this straight, since the referendum, Scotland has been landed with: A government that makes Thatcher's era look moderate. Austerity cuts that are crippling the poorest in our country. Trident renewal against our wishes. Job losses on a massive scale , despite promises to the contrary to fool people to vote no. Now we are getting draged into another war despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it. If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.
Since the SNP came into power we have got a broken Police Force, broken Fire Service, broken NHS, and a broken Education system, Snp has the powers to fix them, have they? NO

[roshep]

Off the 57 snp,mp's how many did not have the backbone to actually vote for what they thought ? !!!

[davth]

Were they permitted a free vote?

[theone]

So lets get this straight, since the referendum..............

Yes. Let's get it straight, because you rarely do. Let's explore your statements SINCE THE REFERENDUM..............


Trident renewal against our wishes.

No decision has been made on trident renewal.


Now we are getting draged into another war

No we're not. We were already bombing ISIS is Iraq. Now we're bombing them accross the border in Syria. Nothing has changed.


despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it.

We don't have 59 MP's. We have 650. That is because we voted NO to independence.

And the majority of those 650 who voted, voted YES to bombing ISIS.

Democracy.

[rob murray]

Cameron and co. get their wish to bomb syria. So lets get this straight, since the referendum, Scotland has been landed with: A government that makes Thatcher's era look moderate. Austerity cuts that are crippling the poorest in our country. Trident renewal against our wishes. Job losses on a massive scale , despite promises to the contrary to fool people to vote no. Now we are getting draged into another war despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it. If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

[piratelassie]

As you well know the oil price fluctuates, and dispite what some people like to argue oil IS a bonus and obviously NOT our only commodity, why all the emphasies on oil.



Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

[rob murray]

As you well know the oil price fluctuates, and dispite what some people like to argue oil IS a bonus and obviously NOT our only commodity, why all the emphasies on oil.

WHat pirate ship are you on................independance costings were based on SNP figures of $110 a barrel and yer right of course as eveyone now knows oil is volatile and always will be which is why the figures were laughed at first time round, at $43.84 per barrel ( brent ) as of today the SNP forecast is out by 6000% so what would plug the fiscal gap, what other commodities can plug the gap ?? .....you are in complete denial, still at least you can sail off in yer pirate ship with the rest of yer pirates eh ? The emphasis on oil is because oil / tax revenues were to contribute to funding an indy scotland as declared by the SNP and secondly if you cannot see that the low oil price is hammering north east scotland then you are blind. Before you start......Oil price fluctuations are not the sole responsibility of the SNP, they would hit and are hitting any government in power during the price crash.

[rob murray]

As you well know the oil price fluctuates, and dispite what some people like to argue oil IS a bonus and obviously NOT our only commodity, why all the emphasies on oil.

Had Scotland voted Yes to independence, it would now be looking at oil revenues of £1.25bn instead of £6.9bn in 2016-17 — its first year as a new country — while facing a deficit of close to 6 per cent of national income, compared with a UK forecast of 2.1 per cent.
Professor Alexander Kemp of the University of Aberdeen said an oil price below $70 a barrel in the longer term would damage prospects for future Scottish oil extraction ( ITS NOW $43 ) . He forecast the lower price would mean the number of probable new oilfields over the next 35 years would more than halve from 188 to 85. “Clearly, tax revenues will come right down,” he added. read the rest yerself http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d97d49ce-877d-11e4-bc7c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3tMlwCXVV ALso in an independent Scotland, oil price collapses would wipe 15% from the planned public expenditure budget. That sort of uncertainty would cause huge challenges, in planning, budgeting, and in proving to the banks that Scotland is a viable risk. The only way to manage an economy with such volatility at its core would be to have huge reserves to carry it through which Scotland doesnt have ( certainly blame previous labour and tory governments for not building a Norwegain sytle oil stash but theres nowt we can do about it ) ! Can you not see now why oil plays a big part in Scotlands finances, we do have a diversified economy Im not denying that, but its not strong enough to withstand such a price collapse in oil prices, thats why you arent getting indy 2 now or at any time, until prices pick up ( if ever ) cos they wouldnt have the money !

[Redsnapper]

Hold on a minute Rob - this wonderful diversivied economy - the Northern Powerhouse ? . Methinks still far to dependant on the financial services industry London based and thats really served us well hasn't it? and I'll know you'll come back with RBS and all that and if we had been independant etc etc the country would have gone down the tubes and we'd never been able to afford the losses. There must be a better way than this Mickey Mouse,Westminster, BoE, way of running a country.

[rob murray]

Hold on a minute Rob - this wonderful diversivied economy - the Northern Powerhouse ? . Methinks still far to dependant on the financial services industry London based and thats really served us well hasn't it? and I'll know you'll come back with RBS and all that and if we had been independant etc etc the country would have gone down the tubes and we'd never been able to afford the losses. There must be a better way than this Mickey Mouse,Westminster, BoE, way of running a country.

No IM simply stating known and accepted economic facts, the scottish economy is diversified, a lot more than say Norway, but the oil collapse has impacted on Scotlands ability to pay its way. Wings over Scotland and other propoganda machines spout that oil is a bonus we can do without it etc, well the fiscal sums as drawn up by the SNP on oil price assupmtions to run the country is out by 6000%.... fact. So what plugs the gap ? Or do we live in the land of make believe ? Financial services is part of the scottish economy and plays a big part but we need more diversity and control. As you say there must be a better way of running the country and I agree, we should be forging ahead with renewables, remeber Salmonds claim of scotland being the saudi arabia of renewables ? well we're not renewable copanies are folding so are not leaders as a starter for 1. You cannot blame westminster for the absence of a clear cohesive developmental renewables strategy where is the SNP's strategy ?? They dont have one . How can you trust a party that made such outrageous ill founded claims ? Id have more respect for SNP if they showed as much energy and committment to developing the scottish economy than they do with their obvious indy 2 strategy and politicing shenanigans. SOme people want facts not fantasies.

[Redsnapper]

I'm sorry, but if Westminster controls the big economic levers then the Scottish parliament is left to do with what it can with the crumbs. eg Peterhead carbon capture dropped at the stroke of a pen and as for renewables, wave and tide needs huge long term investment and you ain't going to get that from the fast buck city culture.

[rob murray]

I'm sorry, but if Westminster controls the big economic levers then the Scottish parliament is left to do with what it can with the crumbs. eg Peterhead carbon capture dropped at the stroke of a pen and as for renewables, wave and tide needs huge long term investment and you ain't going to get that from the fast buck city culture.

Peterhead is sod all to do with renewable energy, its carbon related /environmental and its knock back is an affront to Scotland and a disgrace.Yes renewables needs start up short term investment due to market failure ( fast buck investors wont invest in costly long pay back projects as proved time immemorial ) so this is usually supplied by the state whose job is to interfere where this is a market failure ( in this case private investment holding back from re newables investment and development ), you haven't remotely addressed key issues, where is Scotlands renewables strategy...answer...they haven't got one... rather a patch work of ad hoc mostly wind turbine projects ( big deal and look at latest knock back.....on wind farm ). As for big levers, do me a favour you got them and they aint crumbs and you are getting more, you can raise / reduce taxes taxes but are in paralysis aren't you, as you don't as a party know what to do, ie keep on buying votes ( with non means tested freebies / council tax freeze all benefiting the affluent ) or redirecting monies to economic growth ie renewable developments for one. Im afraid you cannot square the circle and with respect your cliched wind over scotland based arguments do not hold under any serious scrutiny. I cannot take you seriously as your parties raison d etre is indy, thats why your politicking is doing sod all for Scotlands development ( economically ).

[rob murray]

I'm sorry, but if Westminster controls the big economic levers then the Scottish parliament is left to do with what it can with the crumbs. eg Peterhead carbon capture dropped at the stroke of a pen and as for renewables, wave and tide needs huge long term investment and you ain't going to get that from the fast buck city culture.

Fantasy politics lol lol lol

[rob murray]

Fantasy politics lol lol lol

Are you seriously asking me to trust an SNP government whose fiscal forecasts were 6,000% out ? Nah, at least I know with a degree of certainty what crumbs are available like a lot of people Ive a future to consider and plan, that future doesn't lie with lying duplicitous non entities. Sturgeon promised a new politics, whiter than white, consensual and listening, well look at the recent track record, financial shenanigans by SNP MP's,lies, political posturing making Scotland a laughing stock, MP's not looking after constituent interest, as for Mogodon yer local man, why would Caithnessians vote for an anti nuclear party ? whats he doing to mitigate the collapse of the Caithness north Sutherland economy when Dounreay goes? Ah I know, the economy will miraculously adapt and become an arts /culture centre !! Renewables in the firth is 100% required to sustain engineering in particular. Well you did vote for an egotist so take the consequences your welcome to it. Wake up and smell the roses, look locally as you are being ignored. Whats more important, Mogodon posturing to anti Syrian bombing protestors, jaunts abroad, daft tweets or him progressing you own well being ?

[Mr Z]

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?

[tonkatojo]

Hold on a minute Rob - this wonderful diversivied economy - the Northern Powerhouse ? . Methinks still far to dependant on the financial services industry London based and thats really served us well hasn't it? and I'll know you'll come back with RBS and all that and if we had been independant etc etc the country would have gone down the tubes and we'd never been able to afford the losses. There must be a better way than this Mickey Mouse,Westminster, BoE, way of running a country.

"Northern Powerhouse" according to the torys the North ends where hs2 ends Manchester, there are another 210 miles from Manchester via A1M and A1 by road or 151 miles in a straight line to Berwick, then the rest the whole of Scotland if you were to include it in the magical "Power House ".

[dozy]

What the Snake oil salesman and his banker friends fail to tell you is, Scotland only get a small percentage of the revenue taken by the Westminster Government . If we say the WG got $48 a barrel and the SG got $6 of that. With independence and the drop in oil Price ,if we only got $24 that 4 times as much as we get now. Scotland keep none of the VAT added to petrol( 85%) of the pump price ,so once you add all that together the figure promoted by the Unionist Tory Bandwagon is nothing but more untruths . I spoke it over with friends at Norway who work in the oil business who confirmed that the folk used by the Better to gether side lied . One thing I find strange that Cameron allow the OPEC big hitters to drop the oil price by flooding the market, which was done to reduce funds to IS who have take over oilfields. This helped Cameron get re- elected at the cost of thousands of Scottish jobs ( many of whom voted No in the referendum ) .He stitched them up and laughed all the way to the bank of the EU. Now with his RED Tories he's voted to Bomb in Syria ,no doubt this was done to give him leverage in 2017 EU referendum vote. Some folk will sell us all down the river for power and money and he's the biggest one going . It's just a pity that we can't find money to save folk with Cancer but we can find Billions of Bullets and Bombs. Same on them all .

[rob murray]

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?

Ok, SNP indy fiscal projections were based on an a barrel price of c $110 its now $43......now do you get it ?

[rob murray]

What the Snake oil salesman and his banker friends fail to tell you is, Scotland only get a small percentage of the revenue taken by the Westminster Government . If we say the WG got $48 a barrel and the SG got $6 of that. With independence and the drop in oil Price ,if we only got $24 that 4 times as much as we get now. Scotland keep none of the VAT added to petrol( 85%) of the pump price ,so once you add all that together the figure promoted by the Unionist Tory Bandwagon is nothing but more untruths . I spoke it over with friends at Norway who work in the oil business who confirmed that the folk used by the Better to gether side lied . One thing I find strange that Cameron allow the OPEC big hitters to drop the oil price by flooding the market, which was done to reduce funds to IS who have take over oilfields. This helped Cameron get re- elected at the cost of thousands of Scottish jobs ( many of whom voted No in the referendum ) .He stitched them up and laughed all the way to the bank of the EU. Now with his RED Tories he's voted to Bomb in Syria ,no doubt this was done to give him leverage in 2017 EU referendum vote. Some folk will sell us all down the river for power and money and he's the biggest one going . It's just a pity that we can't find money to save folk with Cancer but we can find Billions of Bullets and Bombs. Same on them all .

The only slighty believable and creditable point you make is money and cancer that I agree with, the rest of yer post is a direct lift from SNP propoganda sources and I pity you. Cameron has no powers whats so ever over oil prices and rUK is a midget as regards the geo politics on oil repeat a midget, oh and Scotland is an absolute non player we aint even a pawn in the greater Oil game, wise up and grow up. The lie was the barrel price and resulting fiscal predictions...SNP assumed c $110 PBP yet brent is now $43, can you not understand that this would have demolished an independent Scotland or are you as blind as you are stupid ? You know what, why you are a reality denier, just check the Oil prices out yersel and then kid on its lies, you aint gonna get indy2 because Scotland cannot stand alone at a PPB of $43.... listen to your Tsarina she's ruled it out for the seeable future, why do you think shes ruled it out ?.... or is she a liar too

[rob murray]

Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"

Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?

I give up, crack on mate

[rob murray]

I give up, crack on mate

WHere did the figure of being out by 6,000% come form, tons of sources but heres one :

"Nicola Sturgeon refused to discuss her pre-referendum oil revenue forecasts at Holyrood yesterday.

Exactly two years after the then-Deputy First Minister launched the independence White Paper – which predicted a second offshore industry boom – she chose not to explain how her figures were out by 6000%.

Statistics released by the Office for Budget Responsibility suggested that oil revenues would be just £130m next year – a far cry from the “£8bn” which Ms Sturgeon predicted in 2013.

She refused to even acknowledge the error during FMQs – where she faced a grilling from opposition MSPs on the issue and suggested instead it was “breath-taking hypocrisy” to be discussing the issue when Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, had announced a near 6% cut to Scotland’s day-to-day budget" : Breath taking hyprocy...cheezo..... comming from her lol lol lol

Now if you can read, just accept it or deny it, if your in denial, which you patently are go and live in your fantasy land with yer fantasy loving pals. Sane rational people accept proven facts.

[piratelassie]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.



Are you seriously asking me to trust an SNP government whose fiscal forecasts were 6,000% out ? Nah, at least I know with a degree of certainty what crumbs are available like a lot of people Ive a future to consider and plan, that future doesn't lie with lying duplicitous non entities. Sturgeon promised a new politics, whiter than white, consensual and listening, well look at the recent track record, financial shenanigans by SNP MP's,lies, political posturing making Scotland a laughing stock, MP's not looking after constituent interest, as for Mogodon yer local man, why would Caithnessians vote for an anti nuclear party ? whats he doing to mitigate the collapse of the Caithness north Sutherland economy when Dounreay goes? Ah I know, the economy will miraculously adapt and become an arts /culture centre !! Renewables in the firth is 100% required to sustain engineering in particular. Well you did vote for an egotist so take the consequences your welcome to it. Wake up and smell the roses, look locally as you are being ignored. Whats more important, Mogodon posturing to anti Syrian bombing protestors, jaunts abroad, daft tweets or him progressing you own well being ?

[rob murray]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

WHose "we" whose "us"..with almost 100% SNP dominance what policies can you change at the ballot box, I thought you were delighted at the SNP and their policies ?

Finance secretary John Swinney will set out his Budget for 2016-17 to MSPs later this month, with major cuts expected after the recent UK government spending review....you'll soon hear SNP policies then and realise that losses of Oil revenues are not as you say "pointless "

[rob murray]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.

Yeah whatever you say the Scottish economy now lagging behind rest of UK read the rest here : http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-economy-now-lagging-behind-rest-of-uk-1-3968214

[bekisman]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.
What's all this "denies us this"? US?? You are in a minority, there was a referendum and you lost, Ok nothing's perfect, but please don't try and speak for the majority whllst YOU are the minority

[davth]

We (Great Britain) are in control of our finances are we not?

[rob murray]

What's all this "denies us this"? US?? You are in a minority, there was a referendum and you lost, Ok nothing's perfect, but please don't try and speak for the majority whllst YOU are the minority

A convenient truism swept away and ignored by hard core 45/ers, indy 2.... they cant even listen to SNP leader...no indy2 until they are certain of winning, SNP to concentrate on governing according, to Sturgeon....allowing such nonsense we / us / indy2 postings is turning this site into a wingsoverscotland....or is that the intention !!

[golach]

Until we control our own finances your arguments are pointless. I want us to be responsible for our own spending, then we can directly do something at the battot box to change policies. At present the numbers game at Westminster denies us this.
The SNP government decided not to do the repairs to the Forth Road Bridge 8 years ago, now what is it going to cost the Country, they also cannot afford to run the Queen Elizabeth hospital, none of these are the fault of Westminster , purely mismanagement on behalf of the SNP

[davth]

....allowing such nonsense we / us / indy2 postings is turning this site into a wingsoverscotland....or is that the intention !!

Come on Rob that's plagiarism at its finest

[rob murray]

Come on Rob that's plagiarism at its finest

lol lol lol Nah its no...........ok someone mentioned this before, ie wingsoverscotland / the org, so I will re phrase my posting.....to "allowing such nonsense we/ us/ indy 2 is turning this site, as has been previously mentioned by another poster, into a wingsoverscotland...or is that the intention !!

[piratelassie]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.



The SNP government decided not to do the repairs to the Forth Road Bridge 8 years ago, now what is it going to cost the Country, they also cannot afford to run the Queen Elizabeth hospital, none of these are the fault of Westminster , purely mismanagement on behalf of the SNP

[davth]

Oh but there is, please explain
There seemed to be plenty funds available to install average speed cameras the length of the country.
And also to install a tram network in the city.

[rob murray]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.

Do you mean "our" hands rea teid and "we" cant do anything to help "us" ?

[bekisman]

Hands tied , hands tied. no need to say more.


Eh? thought Scottish Government was looking after 'it'?