Refugee Crisis - easy to follow cartoon

[squidge]

I thought this was really good for those still wondering about the Syrian refugee crisis.

http://9gag.com/tv/p/az2bNN/the-european-refugee-crisis-and-syria-explained?ref=jfs

[davth]

watched it, still don't want them.
It only takes a dozen or so radicalised ISIS members to sneak in with them to wreak havoc.

[cptdodger]

I am just watching the Commemoration to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain from St Paul's Cathedral. So, so many brave men and women who lost their lives in the air and on the ground.

I wonder what would have happened in 1939 with the threat of German invasion hanging over Britain if we had all fled? What would have happened if the people of London and other cities being bombed night after night after night had given up and run? Thankfully these questions never have to be answered, because no matter what was thrown at Britain, these people stood firm against the war machine that was Germany.

You fight for what you believe in, in your own Country, and I am for one eternally grateful for all those men, women and children who gave their lives for the freedom of our country. And I am proud to be British because if it hadn't been for their sacrifice I would not be able to.

From Wikipedia -

Between 7 September 1940 and 21 May 1941 there were major aerial raids (attacks in which more than 100 tons of high explosives were dropped) on 16 British cities. Over a period of 267 days (almost 37 weeks), London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) was attacked 71 times, Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham), Liverpool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool) and Plymouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth) eight times, Bristol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol) six, Glasgow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow) five, Southampton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton) four, Portsmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth) and Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_upon_Hull) three, and there was also at least one large raid on another eight cities.[/URL] This was a result of a rapid escalation starting on 24 August 1940, when night bombers aiming for RAF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz#cite_note-FOOTNOTERoberts2011start_of_chapter_3-1) airfields drifted off course and accidentally destroyed several London homes, killing civilians, combined with the UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill)'s immediate response of bombing Berlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin) on the following night.

Starting on 7 September 1940, one year into the war, London was bombed by the Luftwaffe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe) for 57 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged, and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, almost half of them in London. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz#cite_note-8) Ports and industrial centres outside London were also heavily attacked. The major Atlantic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean) sea port of Liverpool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool) was also heavily bombed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Blitz), causing nearly 4,000 deaths within the Merseyside area during the war. The North Sea port of Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz#cite_note-10), a convenient and easily found primary and secondary target for bombers unable to locate their primary targets, was subjected to 86 raids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_Blitz) within the city boundaries during the war, with a conservative estimate of 1200 civilians killed and 95% of its housing stock destroyed or damaged.[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz#cite_note-13"] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz#cite_note-11) Other ports including Bristol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Blitz), Cardiff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Blitz), Portsmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Blitz), Plymouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Blitz), Southampton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_Blitz), and Swansea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swansea_Blitz) were also targeted, as were the industrial cities of Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Blitz), Belfast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Blitz), Coventry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz), Glasgow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Blitz), Manchester (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Blitz) and Sheffield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Blitz). Birmingham and Coventry were heavily targeted because of the Spitfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire) and tank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank) factories in Birmingham and the many munitions factories in Coventry; the city centre of Coventry was almost completely destroyed.



Our Parents, Grandparents and so on could look us in the eye and say, we stood firm and fought for your freedom, what will Syrians and so on say to their children and grandchildren I wonder ?

[cptdodger]

In the words of the great man himself, Winston Churchill -

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.

They will never be forgotten.

[davth]

to be fair though, the Syrians are being attacked by their own people.
Its not exactly and apples with apples scenario is it?

[cptdodger]

Maybe Northern Ireland is a better example then?

[bekisman]

It was 2mins and 45 seconds in before it started to blame UK.. Not a word about the UK being the biggest donor.
Basically this 'Simple' Cartoon is for 'Simpletons'
There was just a brief mention of the rest of the Arab world putting two fingers up to their own race.

It's all down to that stupid Merkel, what a dim ex-Stasi to encourage the 'Syrians' with an open door policy. What the hell did she think would happen - it was like pulling the plug out of a huge container, of course it would encourage everyone else; Bangladeshi's, Albanians, and ALL the Arab countries to accept the invitation, which is fully self evident, and fully understandable !
There is and will be an unstoppable inflow, unless the source is dealt with. If the other EU countries had put as much cash into dealing with the refugee camps, as they have spent - so far, on support in the actual EU, it would have made a hell of a difference.
All that is achieved by 'spreading the inflow amongst nations' will simply 'pull' more migrants in!.. duh..

Incidentally, in 2010 there were 420 water-related deaths IN THE UK and children accounted for 57 of those. Ok makes gut-wrenching shots but lets be realistic and pragmatic; those migrants mostly died because of the siren call of that stupid German woman - who right now has closed her borders..

PLOUGH HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH INTO THE REFUGEE CAMPS..

[Fulmar]

Thank you, Squidge, for posting the link to the film and also, for the other link you provided some while ago about how one can become involved in Scotland in helping Syrian refugees.

[cptdodger]

It was 2mins and 45 seconds in before it started to blame UK.. Not a word about the UK being the biggest donor.
Basically this 'Simple' Cartoon is for 'Simpletons'
There was just a brief mention of the rest of the Arab world putting two fingers up to their own race.

It's all down to that stupid Merkel, what a dim ex-Stasi to encourage the 'Syrians' with an open door policy. What the hell did she think would happen - it was like pulling the plug out of a huge container, of course it would encourage everyone else; Bangladeshi's, Albanians, and ALL the Arab countries to accept the invitation, which is fully self evident, and fully understandable !
There is and will be an unstoppable inflow, unless the source is dealt with. If the other EU countries had put as much cash into dealing with the refugee camps, as they have spent - so far, on support in the actual EU, it would have made a hell of a difference.
All that is achieved by 'spreading the inflow amongst nations' will simply 'pull' more migrants in!.. duh..

Incidentally, in 2010 there were 420 water-related deaths IN THE UK and children accounted for 57 of those. Ok makes gut-wrenching shots but lets be realistic and pragmatic; those migrants mostly died because of the siren call of that stupid German woman - who right now has closed her borders..

PLOUGH HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH INTO THE REFUGEE CAMPS..

I didn't watch it, I tend not to click on links which could quite easily send a virus to your computer as I found to my cost recently.

What you have said bekisman is complete common sense. It doesn't matter who opens their borders, they still have to get there by whatever means, which seems to go over certain people's heads.

Even today it has been reported that more people have drowned - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34307745. By all means carry on with your "we welcome refugees" mantra , but you are effectively, along with Merkel's bright idea, killing them.

As for ploughing huge amounts of cash into the refugee camps, the UK has given Syrian refugees more than a billion, the problem is the refugees don't want to stay in the refugee camps.

[BetterTogether]

All well and good but how do you separate the genuine Syrian refugees from the economic migrants the various other nationalities claiming to be Syrian and of course the handful of terrorists who will infiltrate with the mass.

Makes for great self serving hand wringing aren't I saint like feel good feelings for those prepared to accept anyone from anywhere on the flimsiest of reasons.
In the meantime the country still has council house waiting lists, ex service men living on the streets.
According to some we have starvation and poverty already existing in this country but we are supposed to believe we can house and care for these people.
Let's not even begin to think about the national security issues it all presents when these young men realise the nirvana they are led to believe exists in Northern Europe doesnt exist and they become unhappy and radicalised.

I for one will waste not one second when our first terrorist attack occurs by someone who has crept in with the mass at pointing the finger at those who woefully never considered the safety and security of their fellow countrymen, women and children and saying yes this is where the blame partially lay this is what happens when hearts rule over heads and common sense flies out of the window to be replaced by mawkish sentimentality.

[Fulmar]

You may have missed an opportunity yesterday. The British Red Cross were collecting for Syrian refugees in Tesco in Wick and there were plenty of folk putting money in the tin and 'allowing their heart to rule their head', I guess and good for them!

[Alrock]

There was just a brief mention of the rest of the Arab world putting two fingers up to their own race...

Not to mention Israel who seem to be the only country bordering Syria who have taken none, yet I haven't heard any condemnation of them.

You'd think with their history they'd be a bit more understanding & compasionate...:roll:

[cptdodger]

You'd think with their history they'd be a bit more understanding & compasionate...:roll:

That thought crossed my mind when Israel blockaded the Gaza Strip and stopped aid getting to them.

It seems to me it is Britain's duty to save the world and support it financially, or so some would have you believe.

[rogermellie]

I for one will waste not one second when our first terrorist attack occurs by someone who has crept in with the mass at pointing the finger at those who woefully never considered the safety and security of their fellow countrymen, women and children and saying yes this is where the blame partially lay this is what happens when hearts rule over heads and common sense flies out of the window to be replaced by mawkish sentimentality.


how do you know they aren't already here ?

your common sense has long since flown the coop if you think the uk is terrorist (home grown or imported) free just now

[BetterTogether]

how do you know they aren't already here ? your common sense has long since flown the coop if you think the uk is terrorist (home grown or imported) free just nowOh I fully accept there are some here already no doubts that. Thankfully the security services are managing to stop the plots at the moment. What is it someone said, we have to be successful every time they only have to succeed once. Or something very similar.

[cptdodger]

Oh I fully accept there are some here already no doubts that. Thankfully the security services are managing to stop the plots at the moment. What is it someone said, we have to be successful every time they only have to succeed once. Or something very similar.

That was the IRA in reference to the Brighton Bombing, they said, (to Thatcher) "You have to be lucky all the time, we only have to be lucky once."

[Manxman]

We have to accept a number of refugees it is our humanitarian duty but preference should be given to those who ask for asylum who have brought their families with them and not those who have left their wives and children behind. If it was too dangerous for them to stay where they were how much more dangerous for the family members they left behind and here is an idea for every 200 refugees we take in and house we take one of our brave ex service personnel who are living on the streets and house them in equally appropriate accommodation after all they have been and fought and tried to protect these people so lets help our people as well as everyone else

[rob murray]

I am just watching the Commemoration to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain from St Paul's Cathedral. So, so many brave men and women who lost their lives in the air and on the ground.

I wonder what would have happened in 1939 with the threat of German invasion hanging over Britain if we had all fled? What would have happened if the people of London and other cities being bombed night after night after night had given up and run? Thankfully these questions never have to be answered, because no matter what was thrown at Britain, these people stood firm against the war machine that was Germany.

You fight for what you believe in, in your own Country, and I am for one eternally grateful for all those men, women and children who gave their lives for the freedom of our country. And I am proud to be British because if it hadn't been for their sacrifice I would not be able to.

From Wikipedia -

Between 7 September 1940 and 21 May 1941 there were major aerial raids (attacks in which more than 100 tons of high explosives were dropped) on 16 British cities. Over a period of 267 days (almost 37 weeks), London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) was attacked 71 times, Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham), Liverpool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool) and Plymouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth) eight times, Bristol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol) six, Glasgow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow) five, Southampton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton) four, Portsmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth) and Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_upon_Hull) three, and there was also at least one large raid on another eight cities. This was a result of a rapid escalation starting on 24 August 1940, when night bombers aiming for RAF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force) airfields drifted off course and accidentally destroyed several London homes, killing civilians, combined with the UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill)'s immediate response of bombing Berlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin) on the following night.

Starting on 7 September 1940, one year into the war, London was bombed by the Luftwaffe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe) for 57 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses were destroyed or damaged, and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, almost half of them in London. Ports and industrial centres outside London were also heavily attacked. The major Atlantic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean) sea port of Liverpool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool) was also heavily bombed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Blitz), causing nearly 4,000 deaths within the Merseyside area during the war. The North Sea port of Hull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_upon_Hull), a convenient and easily found primary and secondary target for bombers unable to locate their primary targets, was subjected to 86 raids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_Blitz) within the city boundaries during the war, with a conservative estimate of 1200 civilians killed and 95% of its housing stock destroyed or damaged. Other ports including Bristol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Blitz), Cardiff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Blitz), Portsmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Blitz), Plymouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Blitz), Southampton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_Blitz), and Swansea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swansea_Blitz) were also targeted, as were the industrial cities of Birmingham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Blitz), Belfast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Blitz), Coventry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz), Glasgow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Blitz), Manchester (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Blitz) and Sheffield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Blitz). Birmingham and Coventry were heavily targeted because of the Spitfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire) and tank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank) factories in Birmingham and the many munitions factories in Coventry; the city centre of Coventry was almost completely destroyed.



Our Parents, Grandparents and so on could look us in the eye and say, we stood firm and fought for your freedom, what will Syrians and so on say to their children and grandchildren I wonder ?

Closer to home................On The 1st of July 1940 there was a daylight raid on WIck, bank row, beside the harbour was heaviliy hit, 15 people died see http://www.caithness.org/history/bankrowbombing/bankrowbombing.htm

[cptdodger]

Closer to home................On The 1st of July 1940 there was a daylight raid on WIck, bank row, beside the harbour was heaviliy hit, 15 people died see http://www.caithness.org/history/bankrowbombing/bankrowbombing.htm

Oh that's so sad, I never knew Wick had been bombed. I was watching a programme that was on every day on BBC1 in regards to how Cities coped during the bombing raids, one of the progammes was based in Nottingham, where a lot of lives were lost. While Coventry was well known to have been badly hit, the Government did not widely publicise the damage Nottingham received to keep moral up.

This is a little bit about Tayside during WW2, my goodness me, we got off lightly compared to the rest of the Cities -

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/exhibitions/medical/hospitalsatwar/emergencyprocedures/

[Fulmar]

CRISIS is a really good charity to support to help homeless people, I think. They give such a lot of support in many different ways and help folk to re-build their lives when they are struggling, giving job advice, training, psychological support and practical help as well as housing.
Re ex-servicemen, so many have post-traumatic stress and mental health problems relating to their service. I hope that mental health services will continue to be put top of the agenda and support any politician pushing for that as shocking that so many fall through the net and homelessness and addiction can also follow on from all of that. It is awful when so many do not receive the help that they need and it should be a political issue in the news a lot more than it is currently, I think so anyway.

[tonkatojo]

The key word to that cartoon link is the word "integration" , The people are never integrated as they just set up their own little communities as per where they come from and expect the indigenous people to accommodate their way of life. I suppose that is why there is all different types of communities all around the UK with no intention of being fully integrated just picking the good bits from the local society and keeping their own customs and way of life and get away with it.

[bekisman]

Not to mention Israel who seem to be the only country bordering Syria who have taken none, yet I haven't heard any condemnation of them.

You'd think with their history they'd be a bit more understanding & compasionate...:roll:
The clue was in the last three words of my sentence "to their own race"?

[rogermellie]

The key word to that cartoon link is the word "integration" , The people are never integrated as they just set up their own little communities as per where they come from and expect the indigenous people to accommodate their way of life. I suppose that is why there is all different types of communities all around the UK with no intention of being fully integrated just picking the good bits from the local society and keeping their own customs and way of life and get away with it.

Much the same as british expats who move to spain in search of a better life

[tonkatojo]

Much the same as british expats who move to spain in search of a better life

Doesn't make it right though does it, even if they pensioners, they are supported by the British pensions earned in the UK.

[BetterTogether]

One of the recent new reports stated that a lot of the young men who are seen at the borders are coming to Europe to seek work then send the finances home to support their families.

This would make them economic migrants not refugees. It has to be asked why so many fit young men are leaving their countries of origin and not bringing their families with them if the reason is they are genuinely in fear of their live through war.

I'm not sure if anyone watched Nicola Sturgeon speaking about the crisis but her word where quite careful she stated that the Scottish Government would seek to take the 2000 quota, gone was the previous moral outrage and defiant stance that we should take our fair share. Now it's all become about how soon, what conditions and ultimately they will seek to take them which denotes some possible reason not to.

[tonkatojo]

One of the recent new reports stated that a lot of the young men who are seen at the borders are coming to Europe to seek work then send the finances home to support their families.

This would make them economic migrants not refugees. It has to be asked why so many fit young men are leaving their countries of origin and not bringing their families with them if the reason is they are genuinely in fear of their live through war.


I'm not sure if anyone watched Nicola Sturgeon speaking about the crisis but her word where quite careful she stated that the Scottish Government would seek to take the 2000 quota, gone was the previous moral outrage and defiant stance that we should take our fair share. Now it's all become about how soon, what conditions and ultimately they will seek to take them which denotes some possible reason not to.



I await the request for further money paid by the UK treasury to facilitate these 2000, it won't be paid out of the current budget will it ? but I could be wrong :roll:

[BetterTogether]

I thought the Chancellor said the money would be coming from the foreign aid budget, I could be wrong on that but it would seem to be an appropriate use of the money.

[davth]

Much the same as british expats who move to spain in search of a better lifeI didn't realise these immigrants were loaded and could support themselves for the rest of their lives

[RWB]

I didn't realise these immigrants were loaded and could support themselves for the rest of their lives

nor did we, that's why nobody mentioned it - we were talking about integration :roll:

[tonkatojo]

I didn't realise these immigrants were loaded and could support themselves for the rest of their lives

I suppose there ends your similarities to the British "expats" looking for better weather no doubt, or asylum maybe from the current con/nat government perhaps.

[tonkatojo]

I thought the Chancellor said the money would be coming from the foreign aid budget, I could be wrong on that but it would seem to be an appropriate use of the money.

I forgot about that, but should have realised the nats never miss a trick to get/screw more cash from the UK government lol.