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BetterTogether
12-Sep-15, 11:48
With 59.5% of the vote labour have elected Jeremy Corbyn as their new leader.

Will this new swing further to the left propel Labour back to some kind of electoral victory in Scotland but at the same time write Labour out of power in Westminster for another ten years.

theone
12-Sep-15, 12:19
With 59.5% of the vote labour have elected Jeremy Corbyn as their new leader.

Will this new swing further to the left propel Labour back to some kind of electoral victory in Scotland but at the same time write Labour out of power in Westminster for another ten years.

The SNP will be the only significant power in Scotland over the next decade.

Moving further left will not improve Labours ratings in the rest of the UK.

The Conservatives will be delighted with this.

BetterTogether
12-Sep-15, 12:27
I agree Conservative Central will be having a celebratory party at the moment with that result.

tonkatojo
12-Sep-15, 16:49
With 59.5% of the vote labour have elected Jeremy Corbyn as their new leader.

Will this new swing further to the left propel Labour back to some kind of electoral victory in Scotland but at the same time write Labour out of power in Westminster for another ten years.

They tried the last 10 year trying to out tory the tory party and look where it got them, being true labour IE: looking after the ordinary people can only be good in my eyes.

rob murray
12-Sep-15, 19:54
here here....labour membership is rocketing because of Corbyn..............loads of ordinary people turning to authenticiy and a meesage they believe...interesting time ahead

BetterTogether
12-Sep-15, 20:01
I wonder how many of those flocking to Corbyn and the new old labour remember the 1970s and the unfathomable Joy the descended upon the nation as Labour had a field day doing everything they could for the average working person.

cptdodger
12-Sep-15, 20:39
I wonder how many of those flocking to Corbyn and the new old labour remember the 1970s and the unfathomable Joy the descended upon the nation as Labour had a field day doing everything they could for the average working person.

I remember in the 70's, the power cuts, three day weeks and rubbish all over the place. I don't remember whether it was a Labour or Conservative Government though.

golach
12-Sep-15, 21:21
I was a HMC&E officer working in the Leith Whisky bottling plants (Bonds) during the mid '70's power cuts and I lived on the 15th floor af a multi storey block..... No power, lifts went off, water pumps went off,,flats were heated by electric under floor heating, no heat........ But the Whisky Bonds were working full power with overtime , as the Whisky Trade was classed as being part of the food industry, how crazy was that?

roshep
12-Sep-15, 23:11
32 years on backbench now leader, mind boggles !!! deputy leader, expenses scandal before that Falkirk vote scandal,
labour voters happy about that.

Redsnapper
13-Sep-15, 08:54
And Tory Blairs new Labour -- that turned out to be a huge success. I would rather see a traditional labour guy with a bit of conviction, honesty and yes baggage even, than the succession of plastic interchangeable people we've been subjected to for years.

BetterTogether
13-Sep-15, 09:46
And Tory Blairs new Labour -- that turned out to be a huge success. I would rather see a traditional labour guy with a bit of conviction, honesty and yes baggage even, than the succession of plastic interchangeable people we've been subjected to for years.I take it you'll now vote labour a true socialist party and no longer put your weight behind the Tartan Tory SNP?

bekisman
13-Sep-15, 16:28
Best three quid ever!

Alrock
13-Sep-15, 16:39
Interesting times ahead, can't wait for the first PMQs

squidge
13-Sep-15, 17:11
I am delighted. For any democracy to work we have to have an effective opposition. The Labour Party has consistently failed to be any sort of opposition. I think that will now change. So many people in England have been looking for a real alternative to the austerity policies of the Tory Party and the Tory light policies of the Labour Party and so many people have turned away from Bew Labour as they offered nothing different. I am so pleased that they have elected a leader who is offering something real and something different. That will be good for Parliament and good for Scotland as our elected representatives will not be the only ones standing up to the appalling policies of the Tories. That is a good thing.

Alrock
13-Sep-15, 17:27
Like I said, gonna be an interesting first PMQs...

Jeremy Corbyn is crowdsourcing questions to ask David Cameron at PMQs (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-is-crowdsourcing-questions-to-ask-david-cameron-at-pmqs-10498633.html)

BetterTogether
13-Sep-15, 17:31
Are we to take it that you'll now be voting Labour instead of SNP Tartan Tories considering that Corbyn is bound to bring more left wing policies to the foreground.

Ending austerity, food banks, rights for asylum seekers, equality for women,rights for workers to name but a few of his long held beliefs.

Hearing Mr Hosie state that Corbyn is falling in line with SNP policy is quite absurd Corbyn has been around for 30yrs with an unfalteringly socialist strategy, it would be fairer to say the SNP are now coming inline with Corbyns long held beliefs.

Or as I suspect is it all meaningless compared to your desire for Independence and your more than happy for principles to play second fiddle to your one major raison d'être.

squidge
13-Sep-15, 17:34
Damn Right Alrock. I'll be watching :)

BetterTogether
13-Sep-15, 17:44
Damn Right Alrock. I'll be watching :)

Watching as the SNP lose seats and start to slide back into obscurity.

They only have one policy now that's not covered more thoroughly by other parties.

If you want socialism vote Labour.

If you want Finanical and Fiscal responsibility votes Conservative.

If you want green policies vote green.

More social equality Lib Dems.

Out of Europe UKIP.


The only thing the SNP now stand for is Independence they're about to lose any credibility on other areas.

cptdodger
13-Sep-15, 17:48
Like I said, gonna be an interesting first PMQs...

Jeremy Corbyn is crowdsourcing questions to ask David Cameron at PMQs (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-is-crowdsourcing-questions-to-ask-david-cameron-at-pmqs-10498633.html)

I cannot watch PMQ's, I have seen a classroom of five year olds behave better.

Redsnapper
13-Sep-15, 18:56
Well BT you've told us over and over and over what you don't approve of - is there anything you do support ?

BetterTogether
13-Sep-15, 19:20
This isn't about me old chap I don't purport to be a socialist !

I'm part of that 14.9% that have no say in Scottish Poliitcs because the SNP apparently speak for Scotland well all except the 14.9% I'm part of.

OH ! And Not the lib dem 7.9 % or the labour 24.3 % the others who apparently no longer exist.

Yes I'm part of that other 50% who haven't voted for any SNP policy and part of the 55% who voted against independence.

But don't worry I fully support any party that will bring the SNP to their knees and put them back into political obscurity where they so rightly belong.

So now I'm wondering what all the true socialists in Scotland will do !

Hang around a one trick political chameleon party with nothing to really offer except more abysmal failure.
Or
Go back to their traditional roots and actually try and make a difference within the whole UK rather than just their own backyards.

Isn't socialism about solidarity not division, supporting each other and cooperation not creating divisions and rifts. Not looking after yourselves but everyone else as well.

I shall look on with amusement as you tie yourself into knots trying to resolve yourself with Socialism 1 on 1 ie Corbyn or Divisive Tartan Tory Lite SNP.

Redsnapper
13-Sep-15, 20:08
Yes indeed, I think it is about 'me' - in physics the stationary mass of an electron, in other words a negatively charged mass ; q.e.d methinks.

rob murray
14-Sep-15, 09:23
I wonder how many of those flocking to Corbyn and the new old labour remember the 1970s and the unfathomable Joy the descended upon the nation as Labour had a field day doing everything they could for the average working person.

I would say a very small %....this is 2015 a new generation ie under 35's who have had nothing but cynical labour careerists a slighter shade of blue over them, who vote the least in lowest numbers...and can you blame them ? ...they dont remember the 70's, hell most werent event born then..( if you born in 1990 you are now 35...firtherning how time matches on ) .Corbyn won by a landslide and his meetings were stowed out ...why....because people ( and a lot of younger people ) were drawn to the message, this aint new labour. Judging by the status quo / accepted wisdom ie to gain power you must be centre rightish, the guy should have no chance....but I feel we are in new territory alomost SNP zeitigist territory, if his presence rids Labour of mild blue careerists ( who should be tories...or maybe they should re establish the SDP ) ,and attracts people who the "people" idenitify with, and puts the Labour party at the heart of "true people politics" then we have to wait and see the democtraic process at work, all arguements etc of the "bad old days" / 70's, militant tendendies etc are off as that was 40 years ago...people deal in the here and now, and here and now a lot of people are being badly dealt with.....also in the 70's never in a million years could a banking collpase we saw in 2008 ever have ocurred.....this I repeat is new territory......

BetterTogether
14-Sep-15, 10:16
Today Mr Corbyn is starting to see the reality of being party leader. It's all very well being a man of principle when you never have any expectation of power, all of a sudden he finds himself in a position where he has power and has to be able to negotiate and compromise.

rob murray
14-Sep-15, 10:42
Today Mr Corbyn is starting to see the reality of being party leader. It's all very well being a man of principle when you never have any expectation of power, all of a sudden he finds himself in a position where he has power and has to be able to negotiate and compromise.

Come in its day 3.........what do you expect.... lets see how he gets on or rather how Tom Watson gets on as he will be the wheeler dealer......

rob murray
16-Sep-15, 15:43
This is a very insightful analysis of the situation/s facing Corbyn written by William Hague who should know a thing or to about being knifed in the back http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/there-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-jeremy-corbyn-in-the-back/ar-AAeljRF?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=iehp


Basically Corbyn doesnt have the support of most of the parliamentary labour party and his cabinet is / will be strongly divided, yet he won a populist democtratic vote hands down, there is a huge gap between what Corbynites " expect" and what the PLP will support, a bit like Thatcher in 1979 / 81 period when her cabinet was full of wets / old style tory "non believers" it took her nearly 2 years to purge them and build her cabianet of believers and whip the party into line....so what is Corbyn going to do ? try and build consensus with non believers or purge and whip....a tricky one, if he calls it wrong, labours massive membershp intake will melt away as Labour will resort to new labour...divorced from the desires and aspirations of real people....restore new labour ( new new labour ) and they wil still lose 2020 elections and face losing a hell of a lot more seats. For cameron the actions of the PLP is a gift

Oh Labour membership is now over 340,000 with over 30,000 joining since corbyns victory