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Note the news that three people who dressed up as “Golliwogs” during Wick gala has gone viral. The world has gone crazy!! I am sure they never intended any racism what so ever. Just dressing up for a good night out. Type in Golliwog in Google images and many thousands of images are shown all off dolls which I am sure they were trying to represent.
At the moment ISIS are killing many thousands of people by throwing them of high buildings, drowning them in cages , mass execution etc etc as all the supposed great nations of this world stand back or make a very poor token effort to suppress it.
We need to get real and get after the hard issues not the soft ones.
Alice in Blunderland
29-Jul-15, 21:23
This story even made it into the Telegraph. I am sure the few police left in Wick have more things to do than investigate this piece of nonsense.
cptdodger
29-Jul-15, 21:35
My daughter mentioned it tonight, she lives in Hastings, East Sussex !
crashbandicoot1979
29-Jul-15, 22:25
Utter nonsense. I don't believe for one second that any racism was intended. In the grand scheme of things this is a non-story and the fuss that's been made has undermined the entire gala and the hard work that the committee and volunteers put in. Those who felt the 'golliwogs' ruined the whole night for them, need to get a grip. If something so minor can ruin your night, then you've got a long, hard life ahead of you.
Wether racism was intended or not is not the point here."Blacking up" IS RACIST.
Ignorance is no excuse
crashbandicoot1979
30-Jul-15, 10:58
I absolutely fail to see how 'blacking up' or indeed 'whiting up' is racist. Racism is excluding particular ethnic groups, or picking on someone on the grounds of their skin colour/religion etc. These kids did neither, they dressed up as kid's toy. Admittedly misguided but the furore is completely unneccesary. Its not like they were lynching anyone. Its over-sensitivity like this that causes half the race issues in this country - it turns every tiny thing into a big fuss.
Wether racism was intended or not is not the point here."Blacking up" IS RACIST.
Ignorance is no excuse
Really, m'Lud? I'd say intent is quite important and is very much part of the point, unless you subscribe to the burgeoning field of 'whiteness studies'.
Gotta say the article in the sun is an absolute disgrace. Says tney brought shame on the gala and then at the end asks if anyone who knows who they are to get in touch. They are kids for God sake let them be. I personally don't think it was done deliberate to offend I just think k they were naive. But it seems to be turning into a witch hunt. They are KIDS leave them alone.
rogermellie
30-Jul-15, 14:18
i'd agree, nobody wants a lynching, and lets use the word ignorant instead of naive
Golliwog can be used a racist slur, niavely these 3 have dressed up as racial slurs.
I have no doubt they weren't trying to cause any fuss because at the end of the day they dressed up as a Toy.
Have sympathy for the 3, I doubt they are feeling great right now with all this publicity but surely they can take a huge morale boost by seeing how the county/country is supporting them.
rogermellie
30-Jul-15, 14:30
fellow ignoramuses (ignorami?) on the Org & Daily Mail doesn't mean the whole county/country is supporting them.
this whole debacle is being neatly foisted on the 'kids' that dressed up, but these 'kids' presumably have parents or adults who live with them and helped them get their outfits together - they're the ones who should be sticking their heads up and saying, 'oops, my bad, won't happen again'.
There are murders, missing adults and children amonst other horrendous things going on in this world and all the police and papers can do is try to torment and terrify these people, as a child one of my favourite pass times was collecting gollywog stickers and badges, some folk need to take a step back and remember the good things and not turn them into negatives, I for one never made any racist connection and am sure there are many more like me, so carry on kids have a great time! ( and for those of you that might suggest any form of racialism in that there is none!)
Noticed the Jackson Five blacked up, some Chinese, a red Indian, Oh gosh, next time someone puts on a Jimmy hat and wig and says "See you Jimmy" they must surely be reported and punished
BetterTogether
30-Jul-15, 18:42
So a total of 15 news outlets have run the story all condemning the action of those who decided to black up for the gala.
Then we have the historic over the last twenty years of condemnation of the use of the term and why it's considered racially offensive.
But here we have the great and wise people of Caithness deciding that regardless of what opinions are nationwide they are the arbiters of what is and isn't racially acceptable.
I'd rather take note of the rest of the country than a few people who'd rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't changed since the 1970s.
Maybe you'll all be happy when the media starts quoting some of your comments in the press to show how racially intolerant and unaware you are.
It's not for white people in a predominantly white populace town to decide whether it's racially offensive or don't you see how bigoted your responses are.
George Saint
30-Jul-15, 19:51
Only in Caithness ... would you find anybody dressing up as "Golliwogs" in this day and age.
Only in Caithness ... would you find people actually defending it.
It's 2015 not 1975.
BetterTogether
30-Jul-15, 20:07
SNP MSP Humza Yousaf also weighed in. He said: “The practice of ‘blacking up’ has no place in 21st century Scotland."We all have a role in stamping out racism wherever it exists whether it’s intended or otherwise.”
Human rights lawyer Aamer Anwar said: “The fact anyone wouldn’t know instantly this is offensive is, sadly, pathetic.
“It’s not about being politically correct. Actions like this perpetuate backward racial stereotypes which are dressed up as ‘harmless fun’.
“Golliwog dolls were created to portray black people in a primitive, derogatory light and to dehumanise and caricature a whole people for the amusement of white people.”
Vicki Burns, of Show Racism the Red Card, said: “Blacking up is racist and the use of golliwogs is seen as an insult. Both should be avoided.We appreciate it is unlikely this group intended to offend but these practices mock black people.”
But, but, but when I was young I had a golly*** and I am not racist, even the lads down the plantation thought it was fun.
John Little
30-Jul-15, 21:08
Oh for heavens sake. I don't say much on here these days but this is so blatant I can't say nowt.
The Telegraph cropped the picture.
The lascie on the left had "Golden shred" written on her dress hem in big letters. Marmalade! Robertsons.
Scottish industry. Kids celebrating a Scottish industry..
Leave the kids alone - wanna have a go then have a go at Robertson's but even they discontinued. golly years ago.
Nothing to see here. Move along now.
crashbandicoot1979
30-Jul-15, 21:20
I'm not going to be offended by a kid dressed as a Golly because an MP tells me I should be. I'll decide what offends me, and this doesn't. So that makes me pathetic? Good to know, thanks Aamer Anwar. I have never, in my life, ever associated a Golly with a black person or assumed its a parody of a black person. To me they're a toy. A character. For that reason, I'm no more offended by a Golly than by Spongebob Square Pants. Admittedly I would be offended by someone calling a black person those names, but that's because of the context behind it. Just my opinion. I grew up in a non-racist household where a Golly was simply a toy. End of. They're characters from a marmalade jar, not black people. That's how I see it.
There are far bigger race issues in the country right now than this. The fuss over it has solved nothing.
Neil Howie
30-Jul-15, 21:28
I agree that what they did was racist and shouldn't have happened.
I am appalled at the public flogging and holier-than-thou attitudes of a lot of people out there.
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I'm not going to be offended by a kid dressed as a Golly because an MP tells me I should be. I'll decide what offends me, and this doesn't. So that makes me pathetic? Good to know, thanks Aamer Anwar. I have never, in my life, ever associated a Golly with a black person or assumed its a parody of a black person. To me they're a toy. A character. For that reason, I'm no more offended by a Golly than by Spongebob Square Pants. Admittedly I would be offended by someone calling a black person those names, but that's because of the context behind it. Just my opinion. I grew up in a non-racist household where a Golly was simply a toy. End of. They're characters from a marmalade jar, not black people. That's how I see it. There are far bigger race issues in the country right now than this. The fuss over it has solved nothing.Your attitude is stuck in the 1950's, things and the world have changed. Even Robersons got rid of their trade marks long time ago, thank goodness, being called a golly..g or a nig. g is offensive to many all around the world these days, if the three who were "blacked" were children, it was adults that dressed them like that, and they would have/should have known the offence that would cause.
crashbandicoot1979
30-Jul-15, 21:54
I agree that the adults should have known better, and personally I wouldn't allow my children to dress up as them because I am fully aware that people can be offended by them. I'm not. But my opinion is my opinion and yours is yours so fair enough.
...being called a golly..g or a nig. g is offensive to many all around the world these days.
True, but, the irony of that statement is that popular culture (Rap music, Games etc) these days is littered with the "N" word being used by the very people who are meant to be offended by it.
Can one dress as an 'incomer' at a Gala or is that racist too?
(asking for a friend)
George Saint
30-Jul-15, 22:33
I'm not going to be offended by a kid dressed as a Golly because an MP tells me I should be. I'll decide what offends me, and this doesn't. So that makes me pathetic? Good to know, thanks Aamer Anwar. I have never, in my life, ever associated a Golly with a black person or assumed its a parody of a black person. To me they're a toy. A character. For that reason, I'm no more offended by a Golly than by Spongebob Square Pants. Admittedly I would be offended by someone calling a black person those names, but that's because of the context behind it. Just my opinion. I grew up in a non-racist household where a Golly was simply a toy. End of. They're characters from a marmalade jar, not black people. That's how I see it.
There are far bigger race issues in the country right now than this. The fuss over it has solved nothing.
Actually the fuss over it might well have solved something.
Hopefully by dragging some of the defenders of this episode into the 21st century.
Judging by some of the responses it will be screaming and kicking, but at least it should have sunk in a bit.
wavy davy
30-Jul-15, 22:45
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But here we have the great and wise people of Caithness deciding that regardless of what opinions are nationwide they are the arbiters of what is and isn't racially acceptable.
I'd rather take note of the rest of the country than a few people who'd rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't changed since the 1970s.
Maybe you'll all be happy when the media starts quoting some of your comments in the press to show how racially intolerant and unaware you are.
It's not for white people in a predominantly white populace town to decide whether it's racially offensive ........
Actually it is. I haven't spoke to anyone, not all white, who don't think that it's media fuelled poop. The idea that these kids set out to offend anyone is ludicrous. One punter phones the polis and according to the press we're all racists. As others have said, if this is all we have to worry about then there's something far wrong.
True, but, the irony of that statement is that popular culture (Rap music, Games etc) these days is littered with the "N" word being used by the very people who are meant to be offended by it.Not being a listener to rap music, or games etc, I must be out of touch with "popular " culture, I will bow to your better knowledge.
I very rarely raise my head above the parapets these days for total fear of retribution :eek: !!
But, in this instance, I feel a strong need to reply and also agree with others on this thread: namely "crashbandicoot1979" and also "wavy davy" - to name but two.
I find it incomprehensible that the (local?) police should find this an incident which requires investigation.
Lets just define the facts : -
1. Three young(ish) kids dress up as a TOY.
2. Said "TOY" just happens to be black in colour.
3. Wick gala, I believe, is open to anyone who is willing to participate in raising funds.
4. I think another "Orger" commented on how would we feel if there were a group dressed up as "Geisha Girls" (Japanese) . . . would this also be considered as "racist" ?
5. I (personally) know of someone who have had a break-in . . . . police were (allegedly) informed and absolutely no action was taken immediately . . .:confused
6. This situation must be quite embarrassing for (alleged) police officers to persue.
7. I must also reiterate many other comments on this thread . . .
"There are many more happen stances going on in our town of Wick which require immediate police assistance - lets not allow 3 "kids" dressed as "TOYS" deviate from this :confused "
I agree that what they did was racist and shouldn't have happened.
Then you are ignorant and don't even understand the meaning of the word 'racism'.
Racism is discriminating against or oppressing someone based only on their genetic makeup. It is a purposeful act fueled by hatred.
Does anyone really believe their costume choice makes these people racists?
At the world cup in France the tartan army encouraged many locals to wear 'see you jimmy' hats. Were these people being racist towards Scots or to gingers? Of course not. Dressing up as somebody else does not mean you are insulting them. Sometimes quite the opposite.
If they were dressed up in drag would it be discriminatory towards those of the opposite sex or to transsexuals? No, because there is no insult and no intent to insult.
And all this debate assumes that gollywogs are black people. They are not. They are 'gnomes'. A gollywog is no more a black human than a Leprechaun is a Celtic human.
Then you are ignorant and don't even understand the meaning of the word 'racism'.Racism is discriminating against or oppressing someone based only on their genetic makeup. It is a purposeful act fueled by hatred.Dies anyone really believe their costume choice makes these people racists?At the world cup in France the tartan army encourage many locals to wear 'see you jimmy' hats. Were these people being racist towards Scots or to gingers? Of course not. Dressing up as somebody else does not mean you are insulting them.If they were dressed up in drag would it be discriminatory towards those of the opposite sex or to transsexuals? No, because ther is no insult and no intent to insult.Then why did they not dress up in a gay queen outfit , or French Ingan johnny's or Scots rugby fans,,allegedly none of these are racist , gollies are!!
none of these are racist , gollies are!!
How?
Honestly, in what way is a gollywog doll racist?
Neil Howie
31-Jul-15, 00:51
How?
Honestly, in what way is a gollywog doll racist?
maybe best to start with quote from the Herald (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13506784.Police_investigate_Golliwog_trio/)and take it from there. If you can quote Mein Kampf I'm sure you can work it out,
Once considered harmless cartoon characters, images of Golliwogs have become taboo in recent years because of their racial undertones.
The term in the UK is seen as a slur and there have been incidents across the country where people have been charged for using the name or portraying the character.
maybe best to start with quote from the Herald (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13506784.Police_investigate_Golliwog_trio/)and take it from there. If you can quote Mein Kampf I'm sure you can work it out,
So 'racist undertones' and 'taboo' is the get out clause here?
I don't like taboos, they're generally an escape for people unable to address an issue directly. An elephant in the room that everyone ignores. I'd rather address the issue directly and discuss it with argument and reason. Whether an agreement can be made or not, it is better to discuss a disagreement or belief than stick your head in the sand because something is 'taboo'.
Do you honestly believe the 3 fundraisers in the photo are guilty of a racially motivated crime?
magic comments the worlds gone completely mad mad i say,it was a fun day to raise funds for goodness sake get over it.
rogermellie
31-Jul-15, 02:00
damn right, lets all just do what we like and forget whether we offend anyone so long as were raising money for charity
here's my costume for next year ....
zombie jimmy saville ... it's not illegal, right ? so where's the harm ?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/20/article-2468899-18DCA67E00000578-910_634x937.jpg
damn right, lets all just do what we like and forget whether we offend anyone so long as were raising money for charity
here's my costume for next year ....
zombie jimmy saville ... it's not illegal, right ? so where's the harm ?
Indeed. Where is the harm?
Although in my opinion it's bad taste, and I wouldn't drop a pound in your collection tin, how would your choice of clothes harm someone?
It might disgust some people, but HARM them? Nonsense.
Oh dear what a stooshie. What am I going to do with my collection of Robertson's golly badges now?
A white person dressing as a black is as offensive as a white person calling them racial slurs.Neither physically harm as such but are both completely offensive.The dressing up as a toy of yester year is bull also, they dressed as a toy which has been universally outlawed as it was totally racist, even the jam manufacturer drooped the distinctive logo due to the racial issues.A similar thing to the confederate flag in the USA being dropped as it has a racial undertone.
If a white person dressing as a black person is racist then is it not racist for a black person to dress as a white person? i remember a popular movie called "white chicks" where 2 black guys dressed as white blonde girls that giggled alot and were a bit thick.... i don't think anyone involved in that film were "hunted by police" or called racist
If a white person dressing as a black person is racist then is it not racist for a black person to dress as a white person? i remember a popular movie called "white chicks" where 2 black guys dressed as white blonde girls that giggled alot and were a bit thick.... i don't think anyone involved in that film were "hunted by police" or called racistIf it offended you then you could have reported it, I haven't seen the movie.
BetterTogether
31-Jul-15, 10:00
A bit of context here.
The perpetrators where not young kids but teenagers/ young adults.
They I assume made the decision on their costumes because they found them amusing and unless they live in some cosseted bubble removed from outside influence of the big wide world knew the implications of their actions.
The Golly has long since gone from being a child's toy to a symbol of racism.
All manufacturers have long since ceased using it as a trading symbol.
All this is showing is how many people in Caithness still find and try to excuse casual racism and are apologists.
Maybe next year anyone who tries to dress in such a way won't be so fortunate and will find themselves charged with a race crime as the warnings have now been shot across the bows.
If you truly can't see the problem carry on dressing up in racially offensive costumes but don't expect the law to protect you or the rest of the country to fall behind you as you'll be hauled up in the national press and publicly humiliated then charged with a race crime and have they ramifications of your actions sitting on a police record.
It's quite simple folks it's now no longer acceptable learn from it, accept it, do not try to defend it with ever increasing and bizarre comments or examples from long outdated films.
It has been so long dropped that most teenagers under the age of 18 will have no recollection of it.
BetterTogether
31-Jul-15, 10:15
It has been so long dropped that most teenagers under the age of 18 will have no recollection of it.
If that is the case then they must of taken time to do some research to find out what the costume look like and even the most cursory of searches would of bought up the racial issues surrounding it.
Which means they where fully aware of what they were doing and are guilty of racism but did it because they thought they could get away with it up here.
A couple of questions here were they dressed as Gollys or as something else going by some of the pictures. There were more than 3 there on Saturday night. Also they walked the whole route seen by hundreds of people and no one said to them it's wrong to dress like that best go home and remove it.
BetterTogether
31-Jul-15, 10:44
Oh it's all in Jolly good fun lets not have a go cause they are wee bairns.Funny I didn't see one Nazi costume, no people in ankle chains and manacles.
So seems the people who like to dress up are selective about which roles they assume.
To those so proud of still having golly toys have you still got chains and manacles hidden away which you gloat on with equal glee they are all symbols of the same vile trade.
cptdodger
31-Jul-15, 11:07
A couple of questions here were they dressed as Gollys or as something else going by some of the pictures. There were more than 3 there on Saturday night. Also they walked the whole route seen by hundreds of people and no one said to them it's wrong to dress like that best go home and remove it.
I have'nt seen all the pictures, so I can't answer that. They probably were seen by hundreds of people but remember, this is the tourist season and somebody clearly took offence, enough to report it to the Police.
crashbandicoot1979
31-Jul-15, 11:39
Assuming I had taken offence, there's no way I would have wasted police time by going to the police about it unless they were shouting racist abuse aswell. I would have notified the committee that I thought it was inappropriate but never in a million years would I go to the police over it. The police involvement makes a bigger mockery of Caithness than the outfits did, because it makes it seem that the police have nothing better to do than investigate someone who dressed up in an outfit that some folk may find offensive.
Believe me, I live in the 21st Century but I cannot be bothered with this over-sensitive, politically correct claptrap. As I've said in other posts, there are race bigger issues that 3 kids in slightly misguided costumes at a one-night charity gala event in the back end of nowhere.
cptdodger
31-Jul-15, 11:59
Assuming I had taken offence, there's no way I would have wasted police time by going to the police about it unless they were shouting racist abuse aswell. I would have notified the committee that I thought it was inappropriate but never in a million years would I go to the police over it. The police involvement makes a bigger mockery of Caithness than the outfits did, because it makes it seem that the police have nothing better to do than investigate someone who dressed up in an outfit that some folk may find offensive.
Believe me, I live in the 21st Century but I cannot be bothered with this over-sensitive, politically correct claptrap. As I've said in other posts, there are race bigger issues that 3 kids in slightly misguided costumes at a one-night charity gala event in the back end of nowhere.
This is an extract from The Press And Journal, which I believe is an Aberdeen publication -
"Police Scotland confirmed they had received a complaint from a member of the public and are investigating the incident.
A police spokesman explained “Police in Wick received a call from a member of the public seeking to raise awareness of what they deemed as possible inappropriate behaviour at a public event known as the Wick Gala, which took place on Saturday 25 July, in the town centre.
“Suitable advice was provided to the caller. Officers have also been in contact with the charity event organisers to provide advice and guidance for future events of this nature.”
As well as contacting the gala committee police have also been in touch with the Caithness Courier, who first published the pictures, in order to identify those involved but the paper were unable to help."
So, it is irrelevant whether you would have contacted the Police or in your case, not. The Police were contacted. Just because you do'nt think it's an issue, does not mean it's not.
@wickerleaks: In light of events at Wick Gala, they've stopped selling gollywog toys. 'Stereotypical Black Minstrel Dolls' however are only £3.99 each.
rob murray
31-Jul-15, 12:56
@wickerleaks: In light of events at Wick Gala, they've stopped selling gollywog toys. 'Stereotypical Black Minstrel Dolls' however are only £3.99 each.
Why use the term mate........goll***g....!!!! Come off it !!!! I still stand by my original take...it was the gala...some kids thought the idea of resurrecting a past icon would make good costumes...parents, if in the know ...should have had a word...theres no hiding from this is is racist, although I believe the kids didn't set out to cause any deliberate rascist offence !!!
crashbandicoot1979
31-Jul-15, 13:14
This is an extract from The Press And Journal, which I believe is an Aberdeen publication -
"Police Scotland confirmed they had received a complaint from a member of the public and are investigating the incident.
A police spokesman explained “Police in Wick received a call from a member of the public seeking to raise awareness of what they deemed as possible inappropriate behaviour at a public event known as the Wick Gala, which took place on Saturday 25 July, in the town centre.
“Suitable advice was provided to the caller. Officers have also been in contact with the charity event organisers to provide advice and guidance for future events of this nature.”
As well as contacting the gala committee police have also been in touch with the Caithness Courier, who first published the pictures, in order to identify those involved but the paper were unable to help."
So, it is irrelevant whether you would have contacted the Police or in your case, not. The Police were contacted. Just because you do'nt think it's an issue, does not mean it's not.
Fair point. But I stand by my opinion that informing the police was a gross over-reaction.
Southern-Gal
31-Jul-15, 16:03
The Bacup Coconutters have their own website. Every year they black up and dance through the streets of Rossendale, everyone loves them, it is a great tradition involving all of the Rossendale Valley. Nobody ever suggests any racism with them :)
http://www.coconutters.co.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbGYRSsV8g
Comment removed on second thoughts!!
Racism the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Golliwog a child's doll, what about people who dress up as soldiers are these political correctness idiots going to scream Stolen Valor or Walter Mitty character and get folk arrested by armed response for pretending to be soldiers at 2016 Wick Gala?
A white person dressing as a black is as offensive as a white person calling them racial slurs.Neither physically harm as such but are both completely offensive.
No.
There is a difference of intent.
A racial slur is a deliberate negative act, dressing up as someone else can be a compliment, completely the opposite.
Dressing up to appear as someone of another race makes you no more of a racist than accidentally killing someone in a car crash makes you a murderer. Intent is key.
If a white person dressing as a black person is racist then is it not racist for a black person to dress as a white person? i remember a popular movie called "white chicks" where 2 black guys dressed as white blonde girls that giggled alot and were a bit thick.... i don't think anyone involved in that film were "hunted by police" or called racist
No, and quite rightly not. Because the film (I assume - I haven't seen it) was made to amuse and entertain, with no intent to cause offence.
So seems the people who like to dress up are selective about which roles they assume.
I've seen people dressed up in many roles at the gala, sumo wrestlers, geisha girls and native american indians. All examples of costumes that have clear connections to people of specific race or ethnicity.
Is it wrong to dress like this?
Is it offensive, insulting or illegal?
Of course not, unless there is intent.
A couple of questions here were they dressed as Gollys or as something else going by some of the pictures. There were more than 3 there on Saturday night. Also they walked the whole route seen by hundreds of people and no one said to them it's wrong to dress like that best go home and remove it.
There was also people with dark face paint and big wigsdressed as 70's disco bands. Think Bony M or Kool and the gang and you get the idea.
this is the tourist season and somebody clearly took offence, enough to report it to the Police.
I don't know how many complaints were made to the police, but I do know for a fact that one was made by a young local woman from Thurso. She let the world know on facebook/twitter at the same time.
I wonder if she would have been equally offended at a black man dressed up as a viking or at an asian dressed up as a Leprechaun.
Racism the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Golliwog a child's doll, what about people who dress up as soldiers are these political correctness idiots going to scream Stolen Valor or Walter Mitty character and get folk arrested by armed response for pretending to be soldiers at 2016 Wick Gala?
Exactly! Nail on the head.
Sgitheanach
01-Aug-15, 11:35
The next time we see someone wearing a kilt with a red/ginger wig will we take offence and call the police due to it being offensive to native Highlanders . I think if we did it would be us who were arrested!
EyeCarntSpell
01-Aug-15, 13:58
As a Wicker living abroad I think the handwringing over this is hilarious.
Some girls dressed up as Golliwogs to take part in a gala, they didnt do it to make a racial issue and they certainly didnt do it to mock anyone with black skin. They were out for a bit of fun dressed as a symbol from a marmalade jar. So whats the fuss about ?? .. is it because someone was offended on behalf of someone else ??, to those people white knighting about with mock outrage because someone MIGHT be offended I say go outside and kick yourself in the head. Then do it again just to be sure. Oh what the heck, once more for luck. I used to post here years ago as Lord Flasheart and its sad to see the state that the Org has got in. It used to be funny and the posters had a sense of humour.
I suppose you outrage bus riding someone-might-be-offended lot should be upset at the two black actors who "whited up" for the film White Chicks, why aren't you pray tell ??, why no outrage over the bile spewed by Chris Rock about white people in his live shows. Well, I'll tell you .. because you're brainwashed politically correct sycophants who think that someone being offended, or even the slight possibility of being offended (not that you asked them) means you have the right to condemn and label three kids who are innocent of any malice in their actions. Get a grip. As for the professional outrage specialists like the "uman rites" lawyer and the professional offence taker from "Show Racism the blah blah blah" well what a shock, follow the money people because that lot rely on the industry of taking offence for their living,as long as the perpetrators are white of course as only white people are ever racist. Most of these "organisations" are populated by left wing student types who think three years of reading what other people wrote and agreeing with it makes them clever, twenty quid says most of them have never had a proper job. Ever.
I showed a lad I served in the forces with that article, he is as black as two in the morning (Oh I can just hear the blood pressure rising amongst the offence junkies but thats HIS description of himself) and he thinks its funny. He isnt offended, he just feels bad for the kids with this bunch of self righteous outrage bus riding idiots after them. Because most of the posts on this thread, the ones where people are running around with their arms outraised preaching away in mock outrage are just bandwagon jumping examples of the worst kind of embarrassing white knighting.
These kids were just being kids. They didnt do it to harm anyone, the only offence here should be taken by them because of the actions of the offence mafia. Oh, and if any of the Twitter Mafia are offended by any of the above, go right ahead ..... I'll be over here marvelling at the immensity of the toss I do not give.
Very well put EyeCartSpell
So let's get this right, if I warn hitler outfit that would not be wrong? If I was marching with Alex Salmond out fit again that would not be wrong? All the above I have mention was complained about and been in the paper. There are parts in the world if you do not wear Veil and that is insult. I know people who think walking around the country in the nude, there is nothing wrong with that, but does that make it right. The fact is there is a law in place, you must not single some one out for their gender or colour and if someone has complained that triggerd inquiry, so the Police was in the right to deal with issue. If you see what was the outcome, no one was charged but suggested next time to make sure a little thought goes into it next time.
So next year the 3 teenagers could dress up as the KKK or would that open up another big can of worms
BetterTogether
01-Aug-15, 17:05
Well that's ok next year all those who think it's fine and dandy can push their luck see if the police are quite so lenient.
So next year the 3 teenagers could dress up as the KKK or would that open up another big can of worms If complaint then yes.
Well that's ok next year all those who think it's fine and dandy can push their luck see if the police are quite so lenient.
Obviously you think the police were too lenient in this instance, so what in your opinion should be the punishment for this heinous crime. Possibly branding, the ducking stool, pillory, the stocks or some other fitting punishment??
my thoughts exactly, what is the end product in this rubbish, the great unwashed are not that stupid that they do not understand its only people looking for their five minutes of fame by saying i to am offended, well i am not offended, so do your worst to that for another five minutes of fame
Can I still get Robertson's marmalade?
When is Tesco's open so as I can buy a few jars . . . . ?
I think you can yes, but you won't find a golliwog on the jar because it is racist.
BetterTogether
02-Aug-15, 10:00
Obviously you think the police were too lenient in this instance, so what in your opinion should be the punishment for this heinous crime. Possibly branding, the ducking stool, pillory, the stocks or some other fitting punishment??The police have issued guidance so there are no further excuses any future occurrences should be treated as the law prescribes. If you consider branding, ducking stools,pillories or stocks acceptable punishment it shows more about your regressive views on law and order than anything else.
speedo215
02-Aug-15, 10:40
I noticed neither STV or Reporting Scotland reported this. Just the papers
Just waiting on the band members from the tv show "The Black and White Minstrel Show" signing up to e'org and commenting. They might as well seeing as lots of other people have this last week.
The Bacup Coconutters have their own website. Every year they black up and dance through the streets of Rossendale, everyone loves them, it is a great tradition involving all of the Rossendale Valley. Nobody ever suggests any racism with them :)
http://www.coconutters.co.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbGYRSsV8g
If you google their name followed by the word racist or racism, you will find that your claim about "no suggestion of racism" is incorrect.
Likewise with the Cornish tradition of Darkie Day, or Darkie Days, which used to have songs containing the word N***er but which now use the word "mummer" in place of it after controversy.
As always, outsiders claim it's racist and/or out of touch in our modern society, because it includes many more people with dark skin than it did at the time the tradition began, while the locals claim it is an innocent practice celebrating the end of slavery and that there is no malice in the context with which the word N***er was used in the songs. I believe one Cornish town relented after complaints and no longer blacked up their faces but in Padstow I am led to believe they still carried out that element of the procedure.
Like it or not, the law has changed and care has to be taken. It is one thing to black up as a black person in a positive representation of a famous figure but the Gollywog, which was once an acceptable child's toy, had now been outed as a taboo symbol of all that was wrong with slavery and the general treatment of black people as an inferior race. It doesn't take too much thinking to realise that resurrecting a banned/dropped image would not rest easily with some sections of society.
There was no malice intended I am sure and it is hardly worthy of the news coverage it received. It was a mistake and I am sure lessons have been learned. Just a bad call in the same vein as Prince Harry and the Nazi fancy dress.
You can't defend the issue by saying that the Gollywog is a toy. The fact that it was acceptable at one time doesn't make it acceptable as we move across the generations and society undergoes changes in its make up and old attitudes are deemed no longer appropriate. The Swastika used to be a symbol of good luck but after it was adopted by the Nazi party the meaning of it changed forever. Are we to claim that we can fly the Swastika and expect society to accept that it is just wishing the locals good luck?
EyeCarntSpell
03-Aug-15, 07:38
My black mate is considering taking a trip up to the Gala next year, he says he is going to make an all white Golliwog outfit and "white up". Then he will wander around with a placard saying "Politically Correct Golliwog" just to watch the outraged white knighters heads explode in confusion.
"Political Correctness" is about mutual respect.
I find it hard to believe that no adult had the cultural awareness to explain why golliwogs are not an acceptable display in the year 2015. This has opened Caithness to ridicule, and I hope that lessons have been learned.
EyeCarntSpell
03-Aug-15, 11:12
Political Correctness is NOT about respect. Its about people who take the attitude that their view is right and if you dont agree then you're wrong. No discussion allowed. I dont see any outrage when someone who is white male, heterosexual and able bodied is singled out for abuse. What happened in Wick is a group of people, none of which are a member of the group they claim to be offended for, got on their soap boxes about a situation where no harm was caused or indeed intended. It hasn't opened to Caithness to ridicule, certainly none of the people here in foreign parts with me think that. I'm from Caithness and the only thing I am embarrased about are the idiots there making something out of nothing. Its quite sad really.
I had a Golliwog as a kid, I see it as a toy from a happy childhood and I dont spend my weekends wearing a bedsheet and a white pointy hat. Whats next ?? .. Big Ted from Playschool banned lest someone who is toting a few extra pounds gets offended by him ??, Is the Milky Bar kid is a pseudo symbol of white supremacy and should be stricken from our memories ??, Should we ban He-Man lest PETA get upset that he rides about on a cat ??
The worlds gone mad.
Caithness is still a great place.
BetterTogether
03-Aug-15, 12:05
Some may wish to maintain that there is nothing offensive about the incident and that no one was offended and that its all down to Political Correctness gone made. The truth is the world has moved on attitudes across the nation have moved on since the 70s you can hang on to outdated ideas as much as you like but you'll find no succour from any political party except the BNP and the Police won't support you. The issue has made National Headlines and headlines around Scotland denying that offence is not there or its down to a few individuals is denying the reality on this one issue those who try defending it are so out of step with life in the modern world it saddens me such bigoted out of date views are openly expressed. The incident has brought national shame on the community and no doubt next year eyes will be watching to see if anything similar occurs. Making a mistake and learning from it is one thing, should something similar occur in future there will be no excuses.
Since this event I have researched a bit about the history of the golliwog and I certainly thought it ironic that Adolf Hitler banned the golliwog as he deemed it to be unsuitable as a toy for young Germans for the reasons of his racist propaganda.(No Godwin's law intended)
The reason for the ban. in my opinion, was that golliwogs were portrayed in childrens books as positive role models who were kind, brave, friendly and trustworthy. These are exactly the qualities that a racist would prevent a child from experiencing from a black person.
When the golliwog was created the racial stereotyping of the times meant having a black face usually meant that you were either a slave, ex-slave, under colonial rule or about to eat you and so the golliwog became a fresh addition to a child's toy box and in its own way was actually the first instance of positive race relations, albeit in its own naive way but an important one.
As history went along, the golliwog has become a perjorative term for a black person but I believe that was made by people who are ignorant of the history and context of its origins. In a way,
anyone who still maintains that the golliwog was intended as a negative icon is being intellectually dishonest.
At the end of the day, the golliwog isn't racist, it has just lost its relevance in modern society as we see positive black role models in the media like TV and sport and much more importantly in our everyday lives.
http://www.lookandlearn.com/childrens-newspaper/CN340331-004.pdf#search=%22golliwog%22
cptdodger
03-Aug-15, 16:52
This is somebody else's take on the "incident" - From The Press and Journal.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/north-east/653902/warning-for-people-thinking-of-dressing-up-at-invercairn/
(https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/north-east/653902/warning-for-people-thinking-of-dressing-up-at-invercairn/)"He said: “We’ve never yet had anything inappropriate at it, but I think if there was anything that would cause offence we wouldn’t let them take part.
“But you never know. I would certainly think people in the village would know better. We are wary of these sort of things, and we would act on anything that came up.
“It’s a family, fun event and we would not be encouraging it.”
So next year the 3 teenagers could dress up as the KKK or would that open up another big can of worms
That's a great question.
If dressing up as someone of a particular belief, race or ethnicity is derogatory then surely we should all dress up as the Nazis and the Taliban next year.
Surely that would satisfy the uber offended on here. Because dressing up in costume as someone else is derogatory to them.
Show your support for blacks around the world next year by cutting eye holes in your pillow cases at next year's gala, dress up as the KKK to insult them.
The solution to racism is quite clear. Fancy dress.
Neil Howie
03-Aug-15, 23:45
I noticed neither STV or Reporting Scotland reported this. Just the papers
... meanwhile at STV
(http://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/1325580-three-youths-turn-up-to-wick-gala-in-highlands-dressed-as-golliwogs/)
Neil Howie
03-Aug-15, 23:49
That's a great question.
If dressing up as someone of a particular belief, race or ethnicity is derogatory then surely we should all dress up as the Nazis and the Taliban next year.
we can do better than 2015! Why stop at Wick being ridiculed in national newspapers, when suggestions like this can take us to an international level of outrage! Genius...
why go to the trouble of dressing up at all?.....just go naked and watch a lot more being offended!!
EyeCarntSpell
04-Aug-15, 07:50
Some may wish to maintain that there is nothing offensive about the incident and that no one was offended and that its all down to Political Correctness gone made. The truth is the world has moved on attitudes across the nation have moved on since the 70s you can hang on to outdated ideas as much as you like but you'll find no succour from any political party except the BNP and the Police won't support you. The issue has made National Headlines and headlines around Scotland denying that offence is not there or its down to a few individuals is denying the reality on this one issue those who try defending it are so out of step with life in the modern world it saddens me such bigoted out of date views are openly expressed. The incident has brought national shame on the community and no doubt next year eyes will be watching to see if anything similar occurs. Making a mistake and learning from it is one thing, should something similar occur in future there will be no excuses.
Ah, the age old excuses about how "society" has changed, the BNP tagline and how anyone who doesnt agree is "denying the reality" followed by climbing up on the high ground and once again and trotting out the tired old lines of being "out of step with the modern world" with a dash of "bigot" thrown in. How predictable. I am actually disappointed you forgot the "racist" accusation. You sir, are a sheep trotting out the same tired lines the self righteous politically correct diversity brigade just love. The "society" you claim to be representing is nothing of the sort. You're just representive of the self righteous lynch mobs that patrol Twatter (and yes, I did spell it right) claiming to be "offended" for others. Lets not forget there were many people at the Gala who did NOT complain. Are they all 70's dinosaurs out of step with society too ??, how can that be if they are clearly the same society you claim to be representing ??
Listen in. People are allowed their own opinions and thoughts. Its called free speech. Now to me free speech means respecting the right of people to have a point of view no matter how vehemently you disagree with it, without that we are one step away from the fascists people like you profess to be the opposite of. And that is very much under threat these days. Anyone who dares disagrees with you is a "bigot" and out of step with "society" and then you try and back that up with the "national shame" drivel. I live in abroad for work reasons and my local is truly multinational. The overwhelming majority see this as a storm in a teacup. None are offended and none think my home county should be ashamed. And a few of them are what you would call "ethnic minorities", here we just call them people. Most of the people posting on this very thread are sans pitchfork, so dont make out that "society" is unified on this issue in your favour. The reality, and the very people you claim to speak for, says otherwise.
This is a true story. I pilot an Air Ambulance. I have a tattoo on the inside of my left arm that has a very personal inspirational inscription to me, it states I am fuelled by the heat of burning bridges. Its a statement I love and means that whatever happens in life that gets you down just burn it as fuel and use it to move on. Last year we had a fellow Brit paramedic work with us, amazingly good at her job and I thought we got on well. About a week after she arrived I was called into HR. I was very surprised to be told she made a complaint. Apparently she was "offended" by my tattoo because she had a relative who survived the Holocaust and tattoo's made her upset as tatoo's reminded her of her relatives suffering at the hands of the Nazi's. I was called in to the relevant politically correct Diversity advisor and told I should perhaps keep my flying suit sleeves rolled down (not really an option in the heat here) or cover it with a plaster when I was at work not feasible. I told her to ram it, those were my exact words. I then pointed out said Paramedic dorve a BMW so she couldnt be that bothered about the people who tatooed her relative if she is driving around in a German car. I then followed that up with a declaration that the day I refuse to fly to pick up anyone who isnt the same gender, skin colour or sexual persuasion or me they can get on my case. Until then sod off. Chief Pilot back me up. Diversity person still rants about it.
Anyhoo, enough said. Having read some of your earlier posts its clear that you clearly have the point of view that you're right .. end of. The Org used to be a place for discussion, banter and humour. Now it just seems a place where the self righteous minority like you harass and insult anyone who doesnt share a certain view on politics. Perhaps they should claim to be "offended" ?? .. I miss Northerner, Joxville etc etc. Those guys were quality. Even Fred, as mad as he was was entertaining. If anything is going to put me off coming back to Caithness its some of the drivel posted on here by you and your ilk and not some teenagers out for a laugh.
Best Regards to all back home though. Over and Out.
I have always heard there is no such thing as Bad Publicity. So on that note let’s use all this media hype to our advantage and get the tourists coming to the land that time forgot -Bigot land.Visit Scotland tells tourists there’s nothing North of Inverness until you reach Orkney, time to prove them wrong.Let’s use it to our advantage and show the rest of the world what we are like and let them judge if we are the racist, self centred, politically incorrect people the rest of the world believes based on an article in the press.Show them how we are ruled by a God called ‘e org’ and do as he says all the time. How we cannot escape the county because of the Portgower Warlocks.Here people is a chance to put Caithness on the map to our advantage. The tourists can’t go to Tunisia due to the 21st century politically correct values which have been installed. Let’s take them on a magical mystery tour to the back of beyond where the locals can’t read or write the language of the road signs, where heated debate on world changing issues are discussed like ‘ when does Tescos open’ or let them read real front page news in the press ‘ Max is missing’.This is a land saturated in the life blood of 50 years of Dounreay which has leaked over this green land and developed us the way we are. A 50’s government experiment which went wrong.Let’s use it to our advantage my friends let the world see our 70’s calendars on the walls and the sitcoms we watch on the Betamax videos. Let them see how we welcome the incomers in a very special way.Oh the opportunities are there but are we scared to grasp themCaithness has produced many inventors in the Past- lets be inventive too. Ok rant over I must get out in the Acid rain to cool down!!
BetterTogether
04-Aug-15, 09:48
Ah, the age old excuses about how "society" has changed, the BNP tagline and how anyone who doesnt agree is "denying the reality" followed by climbing up on the high ground and once again and trotting out the tired old lines of being "out of step with the modern world" with a dash of "bigot" thrown in. How predictable. I am actually disappointed you forgot the "racist" accusation. You sir, are a sheep trotting out the same tired lines the self righteous politically correct diversity brigade just love. The "society" you claim to be representing is nothing of the sort. You're just representive of the self righteous lynch mobs that patrol Twatter (and yes, I did spell it right) claiming to be "offended" for others. Lets not forget there were many people at the Gala who did NOT complain. Are they all 70's dinosaurs out of step with society too ??, how can that be if they are clearly the same society you claim to be representing ??Listen in. People are allowed their own opinions and thoughts. Its called free speech. Now to me free speech means respecting the right of people to have a point of view no matter how vehemently you disagree with it, without that we are one step away from the fascists people like you profess to be the opposite of. And that is very much under threat these days. Anyone who dares disagrees with you is a "bigot" and out of step with "society" and then you try and back that up with the "national shame" drivel. I live in abroad for work reasons and my local is truly multinational. The overwhelming majority see this as a storm in a teacup. None are offended and none think my home county should be ashamed. And a few of them are what you would call "ethnic minorities", here we just call them people. Most of the people posting on this very thread are sans pitchfork, so dont make out that "society" is unified on this issue in your favour. The reality, and the very people you claim to speak for, says otherwise.This is a true story. I pilot an Air Ambulance. I have a tattoo on the inside of my left arm that has a very personal inspirational inscription to me, it states I am fuelled by the heat of burning bridges. Its a statement I love and means that whatever happens in life that gets you down just burn it as fuel and use it to move on. Last year we had a fellow Brit paramedic work with us, amazingly good at her job and I thought we got on well. About a week after she arrived I was called into HR. I was very surprised to be told she made a complaint. Apparently she was "offended" by my tattoo because she had a relative who survived the Holocaust and tattoo's made her upset as tatoo's reminded her of her relatives suffering at the hands of the Nazi's. I was called in to the relevant politically correct Diversity advisor and told I should perhaps keep my flying suit sleeves rolled down (not really an option in the heat here) or cover it with a plaster when I was at work not feasible. I told her to ram it, those were my exact words. I then pointed out said Paramedic dorve a BMW so she couldnt be that bothered about the people who tatooed her relative if she is driving around in a German car. I then followed that up with a declaration that the day I refuse to fly to pick up anyone who isnt the same gender, skin colour or sexual persuasion or me they can get on my case. Until then sod off. Chief Pilot back me up. Diversity person still rants about it. Anyhoo, enough said. Having read some of your earlier posts its clear that you clearly have the point of view that you're right .. end of. The Org used to be a place for discussion, banter and humour. Now it just seems a place where the self righteous minority like you harass and insult anyone who doesnt share a certain view on politics. Perhaps they should claim to be "offended" ?? .. I miss Northerner, Joxville etc etc. Those guys were quality. Even Fred, as mad as he was was entertaining. If anything is going to put me off coming back to Caithness its some of the drivel posted on here by you and your ilk and not some teenagers out for a laugh.Best Regards to all back home though. Over and Out.Nice wee rant glad to see your right to free speech is still in full effect although from your diatribe you seem to make a habit of upsetting people. Meanwhile back in the real world if you want to dress up as an offensive racial sterotype expect to get your collar felt. Simple !
George Saint
04-Aug-15, 13:52
Having read some of your earlier posts its clear that you clearly have the point of view that you're right .. end of.
.... and you don't ? Do you actually read your own posts ?
Now it just seems a place where the self righteous minority like you harass and insult anyone who doesnt share a certain view on politics.
.... you have chucked in more insults in the few posts of yours I have seen in the last few days than anybody else combined .... by a country mile.
You keep spouting about white knighting and people claiming they have been offended, please try to keep up with the actual argument. I don't think I have actually seen one person say that they thought the Golligate 3 meant any real offence. It's more the sheer incredulity it could still happen and been allowed to happen in this day and age ..... (for reasons already explained beforehand many times over).
Which brings us to the wider issue of the National ridicule etc and your point
Lets not forget there were many people at the Gala who did NOT complain. ..... that is the VERY REASON it has got so much attention, or are you really still so entrenched in your time bubble you can't see it ?
I'll try to make it easier for you........ First there were 3, our lovable Golligate "kids". Those similar aged "kids" deemed old and wise enough to vote on a Nations future but obviously not quite so worldy wise that they come up with this jolly jape.
Then we have their immediate families, friends aware of their costumes, people seeing them as they made their way to the event. The organisers handing out the tins, other entrants and yes, the viewing public of Wick... plus of course the police. The Gala spokeswoman really would have been better off just saying "no comment" as hers wasn't the greatest defence either. Yes I know it's a thankless job, Gala at risk blah blah.
So, take your pick.... any of those could have nipped this in the bud with a quiet word but nobody did. For that reason the whole area has been subjected to ridicule and probably made worse in no small part by rants like yours on public forums defending the indefensible.
"You sir, are ... ... someone that appears to have a very bad habit of putting words into peoples mouths and slinging a lot of very gobby assumptions around. Plus, for your own good, I do sincerely hope you get a regular blood pressure check-up.
newweecroft
04-Aug-15, 13:52
Kids of their generation would only know what a golliwog is- because someone of a previous generation brought them to their attention, most likely in a racist way. The dressing up as a golliwog will no doubt have been mildly racist in intent, though I am sure merely as a joke.Racism is rife both on this forum and in the county, most incomers are well aware of the this and wick high has a notorious rep for it.
rob murray
04-Aug-15, 16:00
Kids of their generation would only know what a golliwog is- because someone of a previous generation brought them to their attention, most likely in a racist way. The dressing up as a golliwog will no doubt have been mildly racist in intent, though I am sure merely as a joke.Racism is rife both on this forum and in the county, most incomers are well aware of the this and wick high has a notorious rep for it.
Would you care to explain why you allege that racism is rife in the county, that most incomers are well aware of this, and wick high has a notorious rep for it....very stong allegations to make.... especially on the local High School....????
Neil Howie
05-Aug-15, 21:55
Apparently she was "offended" by my tattoo because she had a relative who survived the Holocaust and tattoo's made her upset as tatoo's reminded her of her relatives suffering at the hands of the Nazi's.
Well that's a bit nuts. She's going to go off the rails once she finds out about the Edinburgh Military Tattoo...
The following is well worth a read for anyone who wants to know more about offensive racist memorabilia and why the Gollywog may be an offensive image to some people.
Some shocking and casual disregard for the black race contained within but I found it interesting and though provoking.
http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/collect/
The following is well worth a read for anyone who wants to know more about offensive racist memorabilia and why the Gollywog may be an offensive image to some people.
Some shocking and casual disregard for the black race contained within but I found it interesting and though provoking.
http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/collect/
That is strange because I looked through all that racist material and I saw no reference to the golliwog.
That is strange because I looked through all that racist material and I saw no reference to the golliwog.
I think anyone with the merest modicum of intelligence can make the connection.
Since this event I have researched a bit about the history of the golliwog and I certainly thought it ironic that Adolf Hitler banned the golliwog as he deemed it to be unsuitable as a toy for young Germans for the reasons of his racist propaganda.(No Godwin's law intended)
The reason for the ban. in my opinion, was that golliwogs were portrayed in childrens books as positive role models who were kind, brave, friendly and trustworthy. These are exactly the qualities that a racist would prevent a child from experiencing from a black person.
When the golliwog was created the racial stereotyping of the times meant having a black face usually meant that you were either a slave, ex-slave, under colonial rule or about to eat you and so the golliwog became a fresh addition to a child's toy box and in its own way was actually the first instance of positive race relations, albeit in its own naive way but an important one.
As history went along, the golliwog has become a perjorative term for a black person but I believe that was made by people who are ignorant of the history and context of its origins. In a way,
anyone who still maintains that the golliwog was intended as a negative icon is being intellectually dishonest.
At the end of the day, the golliwog isn't racist, it has just lost its relevance in modern society as we see positive black role models in the media like TV and sport and much more importantly in our everyday lives.
http://www.lookandlearn.com/childrens-newspaper/CN340331-004.pdf#search="golliwog" (http://www.lookandlearn.com/childrens-newspaper/CN340331-004.pdf#search=)
I have to say that a 1934 newspaper article brings little relevance to 2015 and modern day perceptions. Hitler has no bearing on what people should believe in modern Britain.
The article was from a Children's newspaper and perhaps that is your level because all of your wiff-waff is a load of self indulgent bollocks as far as I am concerned. Self Righteous clap trap from someone who probably googled two articles to educate themselves.
You are nowhere near as intelligent as you like to think
Would you care to explain why you allege that racism is rife in the county, that most incomers are well aware of this, and wick high has a notorious rep for it....very stong allegations to make.... especially on the local High School....????
Rob, would you think that High School pupils planning to dress as Gollywogs would/should have asked black pupils at Wick High whether they would be offended by their white schoolmates blacking up? Should they also have considered whether local business people and doctors and nurses may also have been offended?
Perhaps if a black pupil were to come forward and say that they were unoffended and/or gave it their blessing, it might help diffuse the situation.
In any case you might have hoped a modern school would have educated its pupils on racial equality far enough that they would know that the Gollywog symbol has been controversial for some time and generally taboo in this country for a generation.
Perhaps the works of Milton and Shakespeare are deemed more relevant.
norma stewart
06-Aug-15, 04:51
What a carry on about the three kids dressing up.glad the police have nothing better too do.what about reporting all the young drivers with noisy exhausts that are going about wick and Thurso.thought there was going too be a month long operation too stop this noisy exhaust situation in Thurso.but no.they would rather investigate one complaint of dressing up costume at wick gala
EyeCarntSpell
06-Aug-15, 08:25
Nice wee rant glad to see your right to free speech is still in full effect although from your diatribe you seem to make a habit of upsetting people. Meanwhile back in the real world if you want to dress up as an offensive racial sterotype expect to get your collar felt. Simple !
I like your username. Did you chose it to describe what your two brain cells are ??
Yes. I just go around upsetting people, typical response from someone with your standpoint. All because I took a woman who jumped on the "offence" bus and a Diversity enthusiast to task, and lo and behold it turns out she was lying. A simple check and it turns out her parents were British, as were her grandparents. Not a foreigner in the family at all. Her only connection to the Nazi's was the nationality of the manafacturer of her car. Turns out she had been lying about a LOT of things and is no longer employed with us after it became apparent she was addicted to "offence". As for "back in the real world" please tell me about it. I spend my time dealing with death, injury and things I wished I hadnt seen and having flown and worked all over the world I dont need a nameless guy from a town I left behind a long time ago to tell me what the "real world" is. You have no idea about the real world o keyboard warrior. I would have replied earlier but I was doing a ferry hop with a transplant patient. She was a different colour to me. And I didnt upset her once. Once we landed her father thanked all of us in the crew in tears. Felt pretty good. So your opinion of me personally means diddly squat, and as for the "real world" ?? .. dont make me laugh. You havent a clue.
You should come out here where I work and get self righteous about racial stereotypes. Out here us white folks are the ones being stereotyped and labelled, try that for six months and then read about some guy in a town you left behind a long time ago getting all offended and outraged on behalf of people he doesnt know, and whom he never asked their opinion, in an incident he never witnessed. How come you lot are always back home safe behind a keyboard ??, where are the Gay Rights activists and Feminists taking ISIS to task for their views and the raping of women and the killing of gay men?? .. nowhere. After all its just easier to sit at home thinking you're clever because you can call some kids racist and jump on a soap box. I'll get you dont even have the stones to tell these kids your opinion of them to their face do you ??, and its not like they are a million miles away. Self righteous nobodies like you, who apparently are quite happy to take digs at people who disagree with their politics but whine when others play them at their own game are just laughable. All talk, no trousers.
You should come out here and get all self righteous. Might learn something about the "real world". On the plus side I could fly you to hospital after you'd been gang raped by the Police after complaining too much and your backside was the width of a wheelie bin.
EDIT .. Just spotted that the British Police have, at the request of the head of the "Black Lawyers" (really ??, I mean just really ??) society interviewed some woman about calling the "migrants" at Calais "cockroaches"*. He says the comments are "racist". They also had time to react to the offended person in this Gollywog incident because apparently its "racist". However, despite numerous white girls reporting abuse at the hands of Middle Eastern men for years in Rotherham .. nothing was done. So say something naughty and Plod is there in a jiffy. But when wgite girls complain about persistent sexual abuse by Middle Eastern and Asian men .. nothing. Perhaps they are scared of being called Racist ??, And this is the organisation that BT is jumping around and clicking his heels over the fact they will happily come and lift you for if you say something he doesnt like.
Glad I dont live in Britian anymore. Seems a rather stupid place.
its a toy, world gone mad, if this is all that people have to worry about then you got a easy life.........
rob murray
06-Aug-15, 15:33
Rob, would you think that High School pupils planning to dress as Gollywogs would/should have asked black pupils at Wick High whether they would be offended by their white schoolmates blacking up? Should they also have considered whether local business people and doctors and nurses may also have been offended?
Perhaps if a black pupil were to come forward and say that they were unoffended and/or gave it their blessing, it might help diffuse the situation.
In any case you might have hoped a modern school would have educated its pupils on racial equality far enough that they would know that the Gollywog symbol has been controversial for some time and generally taboo in this country for a generation.
Perhaps the works of Milton and Shakespeare are deemed more relevant.
I posted : "Would you care to explain why you allege that racism is rife in the county, that most incomers are well aware of this, and wick high has a notorious rep for it....very stong allegations to make.... especially on the local High School....???? Your post doesnt answer any of what I asked, rather you are making unproven allegations on Wick High record of educating or not.... pupils on racial equality....
cptdodger
06-Aug-15, 15:51
Glad I dont live in Britian anymore. Seems a rather stupid place.
Last edited by EyeCarntSpell; 06-Aug-15 at 11:15. Reason: Use of smaller words. For smaller brains.
I think we probably are as well, surely you can get your point across without being downright nasty ?
I posted : "Would you care to explain why you allege that racism is rife in the county, that most incomers are well aware of this, and wick high has a notorious rep for it....very stong allegations to make.... especially on the local High School....???? Your post doesnt answer any of what I asked, rather you are making unproven allegations on Wick High record of educating or not.... pupils on racial equality....
I wasn't answering your question Rob. You didn't direct your words at me.
I was asking YOU a couple of questions and I note that you have not answered them.
I am just making a logical observation about the event and the potential lead up to the event. I do not know what preparations the young adults involved made before choosing their costumes. I am just asking whether the suggestions I made were sensible in the circumstances or not.
It seems most responders here don't want to learn anything about history and attitudes. I used to write here fairly regularly and this thread has reminded me why I stopped. No proper debate and no prospect of anyone ever changing their stance through thinking about what anyone else has said. Questions unanswered because it is easier to say that someone didn't answer YOUR question.
I will leave it for the regulars to spit their vitriol and continue to be unable to see further than their front gate.
"Be you a pauper or be you a lord, you will always be welcome in Caithness"
I am calling BS on that sentiment
Bye.
rob murray
06-Aug-15, 19:43
I wasn't answering your question Rob. You didn't direct your words at me.
I was asking YOU a couple of questions and I note that you have not answered them.
I am just making a logical observation about the event and the potential lead up to the event. I do not know what preparations the young adults involved made before choosing their costumes. I am just asking whether the suggestions I made were sensible in the circumstances or not.
It seems most responders here don't want to learn anything about history and attitudes. I used to write here fairly regularly and this thread has reminded me why I stopped. No proper debate and no prospect of anyone ever changing their stance through thinking about what anyone else has said. Questions unanswered because it is easier to say that someone didn't answer YOUR question.
I will leave it for the regulars to spit their vitriol and continue to be unable to see further than their front gate.
"Be you a pauper or be you a lord, you will always be welcome in Caithness"
I am calling BS on that sentiment
Bye.
cheers............................................
George Saint
06-Aug-15, 20:34
I like your username. Did you chose it to describe what your two brain cells are ??
Yes. I just go around upsetting people, typical response from someone with your standpoint. All because I took a woman who jumped on the "offence" bus and a Diversity enthusiast to task, and lo and behold it turns out she was lying. A simple check and it turns out her parents were British, as were her grandparents. Not a foreigner in the family at all. Her only connection to the Nazi's was the nationality of the manafacturer of her car. Turns out she had been lying about a LOT of things and is no longer employed with us after it became apparent she was addicted to "offence". As for "back in the real world" please tell me about it. I spend my time dealing with death, injury and things I wished I hadnt seen and having flown and worked all over the world I dont need a nameless guy from a town I left behind a long time ago to tell me what the "real world" is. You have no idea about the real world o keyboard warrior. I would have replied earlier but I was doing a ferry hop with a transplant patient. She was a different colour to me. And I didnt upset her once. Once we landed her father thanked all of us in the crew in tears. Felt pretty good. So your opinion of me personally means diddly squat, and as for the "real world" ?? .. dont make me laugh. You havent a clue.
You should come out here where I work and get self righteous about racial stereotypes. Out here us white folks are the ones being stereotyped and labelled, try that for six months and then read about some guy in a town you left behind a long time ago getting all offended and outraged on behalf of people he doesnt know, and whom he never asked their opinion, in an incident he never witnessed. How come you lot are always back home safe behind a keyboard ??, where are the Gay Rights activists and Feminists taking ISIS to task for their views and the raping of women and the killing of gay men?? .. nowhere. After all its just easier to sit at home thinking you're clever because you can call some kids racist and jump on a soap box. I'll get you dont even have the stones to tell these kids your opinion of them to their face do you ??, and its not like they are a million miles away. Self righteous nobodies like you, who apparently are quite happy to take digs at people who disagree with their politics but whine when others play them at their own game are just laughable. All talk, no trousers.
You should come out here and get all self righteous. Might learn something about the "real world". On the plus side I could fly you to hospital after you'd been gang raped by the Police after complaining too much and your backside was the width of a wheelie bin.
EDIT .. Just spotted that the British Police have, at the request of the head of the "Black Lawyers" (really ??, I mean just really ??) society interviewed some woman about calling the "migrants" at Calais "cockroaches"*. He says the comments are "racist". They also had time to react to the offended person in this Gollywog incident because apparently its "racist". However, despite numerous white girls reporting abuse at the hands of Middle Eastern men for years in Rotherham .. nothing was done. So say something naughty and Plod is there in a jiffy. But when wgite girls complain about persistent sexual abuse by Middle Eastern and Asian men .. nothing. Perhaps they are scared of being called Racist ??, And this is the organisation that BT is jumping around and clicking his heels over the fact they will happily come and lift you for if you say something he doesnt like.
Glad I dont live in Britian anymore. Seems a rather stupid place. ..... another gobby rant.
No doubt this is a bombshell for you, but actually you're not the only inhabitant of Planet Earth that's been around a bit. There are others, yes even keyboard warriors believe it or not, who have been involved in a few things they would rather forget that wouldn't make ideal viewing on Breakfast TV.
Play your Get-Out-Of-Posting-Like-A-Grown-Up-As-I-Am-Fabulous card elsewhere pal.
The huge plus though is seeing how happy you are in your current location.
Tracy Island was short of a dinosaur or two.
Per Mare, Per Terram.
I have to say that a 1934 newspaper article brings little relevance to 2015 and modern day perceptions. Hitler has no bearing on what people should believe in modern Britain.
The article was from a Children's newspaper and perhaps that is your level because all of your wiff-waff is a load of self indulgent bollocks as far as I am concerned. Self Righteous clap trap from someone who probably googled two articles to educate themselves.
You are nowhere near as intelligent as you like to think.
Well I am not getting into a slagging match as that sort of thing is clearly harming the popularity of this forum.
I got to page three of this thread and could not subject myself to anymore to right and wrong that all sounds plausible depending on which way you view it, however, I have a cunning plan.
The next time I get a shop lifter in the shop I will phone the old bill and tell them the offender was a "Golliwog", it would be interesting to see the response time.
Although I think this issue is much to do about nothing I did think when I first saw the pictures of the carnival that this might cause a bit of a stir, but I didn't expect this sort of reaction, hopefully lessons have been learned about what is and isn't expectable in the modern world.
Neil Howie
06-Aug-15, 22:32
I like your username. Did you chose it to describe what your two brain cells are ??
Yes. I just go around upsetting people, ...
lo and behold it turns out she was lying. ...
You should come out here and get all self righteous. Might learn something about the "real world". On the plus side I could fly you to hospital after you'd been gang raped by the Police after complaining too much and your backside was the width of a wheelie bin.
yeah there's a lot of lying and aggression about these days. Most of it in this forum.
this might be a good place to point out the forum rules that you signed up with....
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