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I am currently in my final year at university, and I am researching my dissertation. It is based on the problem of homelessness in rural areas, and I would like to obtain some views on what you think of homelessness in Caithness.
Do you think there is a Homeless problem in Caithness?
Do you think it is a silent issue?
Is homelessness personal choice or is it a consequence of society?
Do think there is enough being done to help the homeless population?
Thanks for any comments you have
Slavers
We have homeless people in Caithness?
Alananders68
11-May-05, 12:05
Do you think there is a Homeless problem in Caithness?
No. There may from time to time be people who are of no fixed abode for whatever reason and go from friend to friend for a place to stop until they get themselves sorted, but I don't honestly think there is any real homelessness just now. There was a couple of homeless wineo's a number of years ago and I can remember my sister working in the chippy and at the end of the night they'd wrap up all the leftovers and leave it on top of the bin for them, they would sleep in various places (inside broken vans just down from the lifeboat shed was one place they'd often kip down).
Is homelessness personal choice or is it a consequence of society?
There is no legitimate reason for anyone to be homeless so it has to most definitely be personal choice.
Do think there is enough being done to help the homeless population?
Yes, infact I would say there is too much being done. Homeless people get benefits and are entitled to housing benefit etc. so if they are homeless it is because they are choosing to spend that money on other things such as drink/drugs and if they've chosen that life then they should be left to rot and not have more of our hard earned tax thrown at them.
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well thats not exactly true.. there are homless out there who is not by choice.. and do not get benifits.. there are always those that slip thru.. you have people with mental disabilities.. that can not comprehend what is really going on and they just wander trying to stay alive as they can.. many times they have no family or realitives to support them or if they do.. they often do not care or know where they are..
thier are many children whom are homless and they have no choice in it.. im sure they would love to have a bed to go to at night a school to go to in the day.. and a table to sit at to have their tea.. much less all the other things we take for granted.. what about the families living in cars.. going from town to town.. afraid to try and get help because they know if they stop social services will whisk their children away.. and the dont know where to turn or seek help..
then they are the ones who run away.. from abusive homes.. a lot of times young girls.. who parents have beat them or mollested them and they usually fall into drugs or prostition or both...
many times these cases do not have any way out..
they are either scared and frightened ... not cabable of helping themselves or simply do not know there is help out there..
its not always teen runaways.. who want to do drugs and wino's and people who try to rip of good honest working folks.. thier are some really serious matters out there that we as a society do not see.. that we are completly blind to.. so we cant sit back in our comfy houses on our pc's drinking soda and eating take away like it was nothing.. and say hey they choose this life they deserve it?
how many of us deserve what we get?
how many people every day.. average ordinary woking joe.. that works his tail off and can barley make ends meet.. but he still makes too much to recive help?
or what about these rich kids who have never worked a day in their lives and have everything handed to them on a silver platter..
very very very rarley do we " Get What We Deserve"
their are so many ways to look at any situation.. one can not close their eyes to all the possibilitys
The Pepsi Challenge
11-May-05, 14:47
Do you think there is a Homeless problem in Caithness?
No. There may from time to time be people who are of no fixed abode for whatever reason and go from friend to friend for a place to stop until they get themselves sorted, but I don't honestly think there is any real homelessness just now. There was a couple of homeless wineo's a number of years ago and I can remember my sister working in the chippy and at the end of the night they'd wrap up all the leftovers and leave it on top of the bin for them, they would sleep in various places (inside broken vans just down from the lifeboat shed was one place they'd often kip down).
Is homelessness personal choice or is it a consequence of society?
There is no legitimate reason for anyone to be homeless so it has to most definitely be personal choice.
Do think there is enough being done to help the homeless population?
Yes, infact I would say there is too much being done. Homeless people get benefits and are entitled to housing benefit etc. so if they are homeless it is because they are choosing to spend that money on other things such as drink/drugs and if they've chosen that life then they should be left to rot and not have more of our hard earned tax thrown at them.
Quite easily the most unintelligent and uninformed response anyone could post. Well done Alananders, you continually outstrip yourself in excellence.
But, now, a myth: homelessness is an urban problem.
Homelessness in rural areas is often overlooked in areas such as Caithness because it is thought of as an urban issue. During the last Shelter survey, it was discovered that one third of homeless people in Scotland live in rural areas. And unlikethe urban locations (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen etc.) there are fewer points of concentration of homeless people and often the stigma of being visibly homeless in rural locations can result in homeless people more actively avoiding identification.For instance, in Caithness, the standard of living is higher, housing is more affordable than urban dwellings, and, being a close-knit community, people tend to pull together more to help people in such desperate circumstances. That doesn’t mean to suggest homelessness doesn’t exist in Caithness - it does. The public perception of homeless people - in Alananders case - are those who sit on the street in tatty clothes, begging for money. Not always the case, my friend.
On a wider scale, a fresh approach “must recognise the complex causes of homelessness and promote solutions which meet the range of different needs of homeless people.
Losing your home through eviction or repossession - or as a result of relationship breakdown - is a traumatic experience. Many people who become homeless have been also through other personal crises in their lives, such as abuse by a violent partner or parents, a breakdown in their mental health or substance addiction. They need not only a stable home, but advice, support and sometimes specialist care. (When the governments keep shutting down such points of contact, it worsens the problem.)
Of course, it is undesirable to house only unwaged, benefit-dependent and vulnerable people in any neighbourhood. Many homeless people are unemployed or lone parents or living with mental health or other problems. But mostly, they never chose to live there. It was simply that they had nowhere else to go.
We need a different, far more challenging, strategy which aims to avoid ghettos either of the rich or the poor. In practice, that must include mixed-tenure developments, with a range of housing for young and old, families and single people, waged and unwaged. We need to stop building new housing association estates at rents unaffordable by people in low-paid work; attract wage-earning households back into some of the less popular estates and offering accommodation to homeless people in some of the more popular; increase opportunities for training and work to those in the poorest areas (ensuring those who need it are offered support and care to cope successfully); encourage self-help and mutual aid, which can build confidence and stability, even in the most deprived neighbourhoods.
Realistically, we cannot stop people losing their homes. People will face crises in their lives, whether due to loss of their jobs, the breakdown of relationships, sexual or physical abuse or eviction from insecure accommodation. The challenge is, wherever possible, to prevent those personal crises ending in homelessness. We also need to ensure that those who do become homeless are able to move immediately into a stable, secure home, with the support they need to make that sustainable.”
We need a different, far more challenging, strategy which aims to avoid ghettos either of the rich or the poor. In practice, that must include mixed-tenure developments, with a range of housing for young and old, families and single people, waged and unwaged. We need to stop building new housing association estates at rents unaffordable by people in low-paid work; attract wage-earning households back into some of the less popular estates and offering accommodation to homeless people in some of the more popular; increase opportunities for training and work to those in the poorest areas (ensuring those who need it are offered support and care to cope successfully); encourage self-help and mutual aid, which can build confidence and stability, even in the most deprived neighbourhoods.
Realistically, we cannot stop people losing their homes. People will face crises in their lives, whether due to loss of their jobs, the breakdown of relationships, sexual or physical abuse or eviction from insecure accommodation. The challenge is, wherever possible, to prevent those personal crises ending in homelessness. We also need to ensure that those who do become homeless are able to move immediately into a stable, secure home, with the support they need to make that sustainable.”
Hear, hear!
Whitewater
11-May-05, 16:19
Well done The Pepsi Challenge, you have covered it all. I really have nothing more to add at this stage
I think a a lot off people are home less put themselves in that positon by either running away from home ,drug and drink problems and others people that cant mentally cope with life which is shame because that cant help that.
And feel sorry for anyone that gets put in that postion it must be even harder trying to get out of that postion.
This is the year 2005 no one in the uk should be homeless and its crazy when you see the government willing to give other countries millions of pounds in aid and even quite happelly go to war and that costs millions when the money should be spent in the uk doing basic things like people off the streets.Even the money made off the lottery doesnt get dished out to the most needy causes first.
But then the other argument u could have to this subject is how can u help someone that cant help them selves?
The Pepsi Challenge
11-May-05, 18:03
I think a a lot off people are home less put themselves in that positon by either running away from home ,drug and drink problems and others people that cant mentally cope with life which is shame because that cant help that.
And feel sorry for anyone that gets put in that postion it must be even harder trying to get out of that postion.
This is the year 2005 no one in the uk should be homeless and its crazy when you see the government willing to give other countries millions of pounds in aid and even quite happelly go to war and that costs millions when the money should be spent in the uk doing basic things like people off the streets.Even the money made off the lottery doesnt get dished out to the most needy causes first.
But then the other argument u could have to this subject is how can u help someone that cant help them selves?
Well said, EDDIE. And to think the Scottis Opera musos were complaining about a lack of funding - I doubt you'll see anyone homeless belonging to that clique. I could be wrong, but let's just say the chances of that being the case are remote at best.
Alananders68
11-May-05, 18:25
More insults from you Pepsi :confused .
All I said was that people who are homeless are so through choice and you've said nothing that disproves that. Okay so people lose there homes from eviction etc. but it is still through choice because they've not paid the rent/mortgage, even if people are evicted the council have an obligation to find them accomodation and they go straight to the top of the housing list so no need for them to end up homeless. Okay people leave troubled homes but again this is through choice.
I am currently in my final year at university, and I am researching my dissertation. It is based on the problem of homelessness in rural areas, and I would like to obtain some views on what you think of homelessness in Caithness.
Do you think there is a Homeless problem in Caithness?
Do you think it is a silent issue?
Is homelessness personal choice or is it a consequence of society?
Do think there is enough being done to help the homeless population?
Thanks for any comments you have
Slavers
I don't have a degree, but won't they be looking for a bit more than the usual opposing views from a Caithness.org forum?
~~Tides~~
11-May-05, 18:57
I cant say that I've seen a homeless person in Caithness for ages. When you are in Aberdeen, for example, you can hardly move with out tripping over the 'beggars'.
I agree with all the points raised above but he did ask if there was a homeless problem in Caithness and I cant say I really think there is. (I may be wrong).
Okay people leave troubled homes but again this is through choice.
I have a feeling that your and my definitions of 'choice' are vastly different. Are you suggesting that people being subjected to abuse should put up with it rather than choose to leave their homes?
al ole buddy.. ummm i mentioned several sorts of people that do not have a choice in my post *grins*
The Pepsi Challenge
11-May-05, 19:25
No offence, Al, but I hope you're not someone who makes our laws?
Alananders68
11-May-05, 21:21
Okay people leave troubled homes but again this is through choice.
I have a feeling that your and my definitions of 'choice' are vastly different. Are you suggesting that people being subjected to abuse should put up with it rather than choose to leave their homes?
No I'm not suggesting that! I'm saying that people choose to be homeless. Most people have friends or family to turn to but even if they haven't then there is social services etc. and okay it's been said that not everyone would want to take that help but the fact that the help is available means that if someone does end up homeless it is through their own choice.
Losing your home through eviction or repossession
I don't expect am allowed to name names but there was a couple in Wick who lost there home last year, the excuse they gave everyone was that he had lost his job and times were tough and they fell behind with the mortgage and loan payments, but the strange thing was they both smoked and they ran a car and had sky tv etc. so the truth was they obviously felt buying fags and having lifes luxuries were more important than paying there bills. Anyways they lost there home and they were in b&b for a week at the tax payers expense and then given a good council house. There you have it, that is how well looked after people are and therefore with such benefits available there is no reason why eviction should mean homelessness. As I say I think there is already far too much done for people, it is disgusting that a family can lose there home through choice (and yes it was choice because if they could afford fags, tv, and a car then they could've afforded the mortgage but there priorities were wrong and they knew the state would bail them out) and then go straight to the top of the housing list and get a house straight away whilst decent people are made to wait [mad] .
Alanander68 ive read a lot of your views on topics im curious how old are you?
Alananders68
11-May-05, 21:32
Alanander68 ive read a lot of your views on topics im curious how old are you?
36
No disrespect intended alanander68 but the views you give is what u would expect of a kid and not a 36 year old if i was you i would serousily think about changing your name here and start again.
Alananders68
11-May-05, 22:08
No disrespect intended alanander68 but the views you give is what u would expect of a kid and not a 36 year old if i was you i would serousily think about changing your name here and start again.
Just because I have different opinions to most of you on here :confused
I could say that the way some people throw insults (and especially those who are so brave as to do so under aliases instead of there real names, i.e. Pepsi) that it is them who appear to be children.
All I have said here is that if someone is homeless then they are homeless by choice, that is a fact and even you yourself have partly agreed with that, so why try to insult me just because of my views?
Tugmistress
11-May-05, 22:23
it seems to me that Alananders68 has a very 'black & white' view of life, fortunately there are an awful lot of us that realise there is heap loads of 'grey'.
on the original topic, i can't say i have noticed much homelessness in caithness, but after moving here from a city, i think i would notice it even more here as it would seem out of place.
sorry can't be of more help.
Well you got one thing right alanander your view is totally different from everyone.
What i said was people put themselves in that posistion by running away,drink problem, drugs,Its not buy there choice for some kids if there living in a really bad family enviroment thats only way they no how to cope with the problem buy running away.For some people if you get in bad company experiment with drink or drugs you end up going down the slipy road and then trying to rehabilatate yourself if u have a drink or drug problem must be hard.And when your young you dont think it will happen to you and we all make mistakes.Choice is when a normal person decided or not whether they want to be homeless or not the people that are homeless are put themselves in that postion not through choice.
FoosumBrute
11-May-05, 23:36
There's quite a few locations in Wick, Thurso and Castletown that I'd rather be homeless than live in.
The pig sty mentality of a lot of the people who live in those streets would shame any homeless wino.
Infact why not evict some people who can't look after their homes and who seem incapable of managing a decent level of civilised behaviour, and give their homes to the homeless.
There's an old saying isn't there.....the people of Murchison Street wipe their feet on the way OUT of their houses.
luskentyre
11-May-05, 23:49
All I have said here is that if someone is homeless then they are homeless by choice, that is a fact and even you yourself have partly agreed with that, so why try to insult me just because of my views?
No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. There are many reasons people become homeless (already stated on here) which can by no means be considered a "choice".
Imagine it, not having a roof over your head, not knowing where your next meal was coming from. I can't see many choosing that, can you?
Alananders68
12-May-05, 00:04
There's an old saying isn't there.....the people of Murchison Street wipe their feet on the way OUT of their houses.
You cheeky , I used to live in Murchie and whilst it may be true that there is some undesireables there you can't tar everyone with the same brush.
No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. There are many reasons people become homeless (already stated on here) which can by no means be considered a "choice".
Imagine it, not having a roof over your head, not knowing where your next meal was coming from. I can't see many choosing that, can you?
No, it's fact! The goverment provide an exceptional benefits sytem and councils have to put you to the top of housing lists if you are or are going to be made homeless and if you are homeless they have to find you some form of shelter until they are able to house you so there is no legitimate reason for anyone to be homeless unless through choice. All the reasons given above are ones of choice.
FoosumBrute
12-May-05, 00:11
Mmmm, now let's reconcile these two statments from Alananders68:
1 - "...if someone is homeless then they are homeless by choice, that is a fact ..."
2 - "....you can't tar everyone with the same brush...."
Err, you just did.
Alexander68 is wrong to say people are homeless through choice. One example is a battered wife who flees with her children and ends up homeless without wanting to be.Or a husband having an affair which makes life so unbvearable that the wife is forced to leave. Or the house could be a tied house which goes with the husbands job and he wants to move his mistress in forcing the wife to leave, that is being homeless without choice. there are many reasons how people end up homeless without making them selves homeless. Have you been homeless? If not, how do you know the facts and how can you assume that all people are homeless through their pwn choice.
Being homeless is a horrific event that can affect people for years and years later.Dont make judgement on people alexander68 if you have not been in that situation. [mad]
Alananders68
12-May-05, 10:31
Alexander68 is wrong to say people are homeless through choice. One example is a battered wife who flees with her children and ends up homeless without wanting to be.Or a husband having an affair which makes life so unbvearable that the wife is forced to leave. Or the house could be a tied house which goes with the husbands job and he wants to move his mistress in forcing the wife to leave, that is being homeless without choice.
Fran it is you who is wrong, if a wife in any of the situations you describe leaves then she has done so through choice, she has a choice to stay or go. It may be choice forced upon people but it is still a choice. Even afterwards from any of those situations she would be able to go to the council and get housed so she would not be homeless.
The Pepsi Challenge
12-May-05, 10:37
Can someone do the decent thing and lock this thread?
Alexander Rowe
12-May-05, 11:05
No disrespect intended alanander68 but the views you give is what u would expect of a kid and not a 36 year old if i was you i would serousily think about changing your name here and start again.
I dont agree with Alananders68 in anyway but that is the most ridiculous post I've seen on this forum in a long time.
Fran it is you who is wrong, if a wife in any of the situations you describe leaves then she has done so through choice, she has a choice to stay or go. It may be choice forced upon people but it is still a choice. Even afterwards from any of those situations she would be able to go to the council and get housed so she would not be homeless.
So you really do think that a person being subjected to abuse should just stay and put up with it (since you don't believe homeless people should receive any support). As far as I'm concerned, that is, quite frankly, a despicable point of view. :mad:
Please don't delude yourself about the level of help available (like the availability of council housing) but go and get clued up on those facts you seem so fond of referring to. [disgust]
Thanks for all you 'healthy' debate so far.
A homeless person is not just someone who lives on the street and begs, the most common form of homelessness is someone who has no permanent address. This includes living in a B+B, Caravans and Hostels (i.e. the Woman’s refuge in Green Road).
I know that there are several static caravan sites in Caithness and perhaps this is where the 'problem' is hidden?
One of the main theories that surround homelessness is the Housing/labour relation. to get a job you need a home (a permanent address) and to get a home you need a job (to pay for your home), is there anyway that this problem can be solved?
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Fran it is you who is wrong, if a wife in any of the situations you describe leaves then she has done so through choice, she has a choice to stay or go. It may be choice forced upon people but it is still a choice. Even afterwards from any of those situations she would be able to go to the council and get housed so she would not be homeless.[/quote]
A choice FORCED upon someone is a choice. Love that logic, maybe you are made of granite most people are not. Being persecuted, terrorized, and intimidated out of your house as above or through incest or mental fatigue isn’t a choice in the sense that you have a freedom of mind to make a decision. It s the same as saying the Jews had a choice to die in their houses or get on the train, same logic, somewhere in your heart there must be a little speck of human kindness
ok
there have been lots of things said but none of them personal all of them theoretical about how people end up homeless.
Let me tell you a story
A woman leaves her husband - alananders was right - it was a choice she made - not an easy one - the hardest choice she made in her life. She moved into a privately rented flat where she paid her rent promptly and put her name down with the council and housing associations. She was working full time - had a good job three children who went with her, she worked hard to maintain a relationship with her ex husband and the children maintained contact.
Housing associations and the council told her they had so few houses with three bedrooms that she would be a long time but the flat was a short term lease. The owner put the flat up for sale and the woman had nowhere to go - she was given a months notice. she went to the council and they told her they had nothing for her. She spoke to her employers and they said they could offer her work in inverness where she thought the situation might be better but the council couldnt find her anywhere there - they would put her in bed and breakfast that was all they could do.
A house came available in just the right place and she was so excited - three beds near the boys school - perfect. she phoned the council and they assured ther they were aware she was within two weeks of being homeless. The council gave it to someone else - a family that were overcrowded who had been in discussions with the council for an extension to be built on their two bedroomed house. It was the only decision they could make but it nearly broke her.
The date came for her to leave and she had nowhere else to go - She was homeless and so were her children - bed and breakfast the only option.
The only part of this story that is not quite true is the last paragraph. I was that woman and this was my story. I found somewhere to go - a week before i had to leave
my ex husband moved out of the marital home and i was able to move in there. I will always be grateful to him for that.
The thing is that it was the scariest worst ever time in my life. I REALLY thought i would have no home. I had a good job Im a nice respectable girl not a down and out or someone who didnt pay her rent or look after herself and i found myself staring homelessness in the face.
The housing situation in the highlands is a disgrace. Social housing for families is virtually nonexistent. Private renting is often expensive and of a poor standard and not secure in any way. i have no idea what to do about htis other than build more social housing. Homeless ness is hidden in caithness - we dont have people sitting in doorways and begging but we have young people who doss where they can, we have families who have no where to call their home or are so overcrowded that its a wonder their relationship survives. Many of us could find ourselves in that situation in the blink of an eye and we would do well to remember that
The Pepsi Challenge
12-May-05, 12:24
[quote]e housing situation in the highlands is a disgrace. Social housing for families is virtually nonexistent. Private renting is often expensive and of a poor standard and not secure in any way. i have no idea what to do about htis other than build more social housing. Homeless ness is hidden in caithness - we dont have people sitting in doorways and begging but we have young people who doss where they can, we have families who have no where to call their home or are so overcrowded that its a wonder their relationship survives. Many of us could find ourselves in that situation in the blink of an eye and we would do well to remember that[quote]
Very well said and bravely put across, Squidge. Your quote, above, is also a welcome piece of sensical prose to this topic. Living in Edinburgh - and in my line of work (a choice, so it is) - I'm always one wage cheque from ending up homeless. A very real and very terrifying prospect.
Alananders68
12-May-05, 12:49
Well put Squidge and thank you for seeing where I was coming from. I was not suggesting that choices were easy ones, people are faced with many very difficult choices, but choices nonetheless and that is all I was saying.
I agree with you about the housing situation but I doubt very much if it's just the Highlands, I expect it's a nationwide issue and one that wasn't helped by Thatchers right to buy scheme.
alananders - The housing situation is not the same elsewhere - in Rochdale my friend was offered a choice of houses when she found herself in the same position. I dont doubt it will get worse as more people need social housing because they cannot afford to buy their house.
The point about choice alananders was not that it was not my choice to leave - because it was but that i did everything I possibly could not to be homeless and it still almost happened. I didnt have a choice NOT to be homeless - if my ex husband had not taken the action he did i would have ended up homeless through no fault of my own. The choice was between remaining in a relationship that had become intolerable for me but it was not to be homeless.
I took every possible step i could to avoid homelessness - i was working, i paid my rent, i had my name down with everyone i could, i phoned, spoke to my MP, chased every available lead and STILL I nearly ended up homeless. I am gobby opinonated and assertive and responsible and i know what my rights are and STILL i ended up almost in bed and breakfast. What hope for those who arent as I am, those without the vocabulary to articulate their needs, those without the ability to quote socail securtiy and housing law? Those who arent confident enough to bang on the door of their MP to get an answer when they have been unable to get a straight answer from the housing office.
Dont get me wrong the housing people in Caithness were really really good and did eventually offer me something - 8 weeks ofter i had to be out of the flat. None of this was about them not doing their job properly but about them not being able to help me.
Surely society should measure itself against the way it looks after the most vulnerable and needy and homelessness should be society's shame not something it looks down its nose at.
Well slavers i think you have plenty opinions to go on now.And alexander yeh you have a point in what ure are saying but when u read a majorty of alanander views on different topics u get the impression that he is trying to wind people up
champagnebaby
12-May-05, 17:51
when u read a majorty of alanander views on different topics u get the impression that he is trying to wind people up
Think he'd argue with a brick wall going by his previous postings :roll: [lol]
I think the only way you will get people of the streets if the goverment sets up resident sites which the building is purpose built in bedsit style so that have somewere to stay and more importantly gives them a home address were they can start claiming benifits and apply for jobs now that they have home address and even have resedent social worker to help them get back on track with there life and they should try it out in one area over peroid time to see if it makes a difference.
Its crazy when u think about it when it was the millieum the government decided to build a huge dome in london to celibrate the event and what a disaster that was the should have celebrated buy going into the millenium makeing home less people a thing of the past.
lynne duncan
12-May-05, 19:11
Do you think there is a Homeless problem in Caithness?
Do you think it is a silent issue?
Is homelessness personal choice or is it a consequence of society?
Do think there is enough being done to help the homeless population?
I personally don't think there is a homeless problem in caithness
do not think it is a silent issue as most folk in caithness know everyone elses business and whilst we will gossip, if anyone can they usually will help,
as to third question - both
I believe that in this day and age there are always channels which someone could get help if they wish it, though sometimes finding the right channels can be difficult
Pepsi Challenge......I agree with you, hope this is the end of this subject. Lets get on to something more cheerful.
FoosumBrute
13-May-05, 08:50
So, would you classify Gypos as homeless then, since they do not have a permanent home?
Infact, how do you get yourself classified as a Gypo - if I get a caravan and put it in a lay-by and live in it, am I automatically a 'travelling person' with all the rights that seems to attract ?
Do you not consider "Gypos" to be "foosum brutes"? Therefore by your own logic you could consider yourself one.
FoosumBrute
13-May-05, 11:21
Who, apart from you, said anything about gypos being dirty ?
I suggest you keep your prejudices to yourself.
I know alot of travellers and can assure you they are anything but dirty.
I wouldnt class gypos as home less its just a different kind of culture were they live on there witts.Im quite sure there not short moneywhen u see them its always the best carvans there living in and it wouldnt suprise me in the least if they all have council houses which they let them out and claim for all the benifits under the sun and one things for sure there not daft when comes to bringing in money.
It makes you wonder sometimes whos got the right idea of living
Who, apart from you, said anything about gypos being dirty ?
I suggest you keep your prejudices to yourself.
From the tone of your post and language used it is apparent where the prejudice lies.
So, would you classify Gypos as homeless then, since they do not have a permanent home?
Infact, how do you get yourself classified as a Gypo - if I get a caravan and put it in a lay-by and live in it, am I automatically a 'travelling person' with all the rights that seems to attract ?
I asked if you considered them foosum, I did not state that I did.
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