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BetterTogether
22-Apr-15, 22:55
Another wee fun poll just to gauge whether the polls are as close as suggested

Alrock
23-Apr-15, 00:54
Whers's...

"I'd vote tactically to allow an SNP landslide"?

Gronnuck
23-Apr-15, 05:40
I'm voting SNP, not necessarily because I want an Independent Scotland, but because I want to 'pop' the Westminster bubble. It is time the Eton set and the Champagne Socialists who appear to have a grandiose sense of entitlement get taken down a peg or two.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 09:23
I'm voting SNP, not necessarily because I want an Independent Scotland, but because I want to 'pop' the Westminster bubble. It is time the Eton set and the Champagne Socialists who appear to have a grandiose sense of entitlement get taken down a peg or two.

Well the problem is whenever you vote SNP you are furthering the cause of independence.

I'm not quite sure why where you are educated makes such a big difference to people surely a good education is a desirable thing for a politician to have.

It appears to me all politicians have a grandiose sense of self entitlement.

When you mention champagne socialists we don't have to look much further than Mr Alex Pink Champagne Salmond to see its just as rife within the SNP as any other party.

It's all very well wanting to Pop a bubble but always mind what you have once the bubble is popped.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 09:26
Whers's..."I'd vote tactically to allow an SNP landslide"?Fair point

rob murray
23-Apr-15, 11:22
Well the problem is whenever you vote SNP you are furthering the cause of independence.

I'm not quite sure why where you are educated makes such a big difference to people surely a good education is a desirable thing for a politician to have.

It appears to me all politicians have a grandiose sense of self entitlement.

When you mention champagne socialists we don't have to look much further than Mr Alex Pink Champagne Salmond to see its just as rife within the SNP as any other party.

It's all very well wanting to Pop a bubble but always mind what you have once the bubble is popped.

Whaaaaaat !! A good educaton...yep and a damn expensive good one as you well know, only open to those who can afford the fee's, come on, as for your point "I'm not quite sure why where you are educated makes such a big difference to people surely a good education is a desirable thing for a politician to have".
sure the vast majority of politicians are educated as you put it ( educated but some are "thick" divorced from the realities of ordinary people ) anyone who goes to Eton is part of a very priviliged elite...accept it...I wold imagine teres is 0 old Etonains signing on at the moment ! Eton has produced 19 Prime ministers, how many came from Wick / Thurso High.... Alexi Salmonella ( and I aint no fan ) attended Linlithgow (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Linlithgow_Academy)Academy (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Linlithgow_Academy) from 1966–1972. then Edinburgh College of Commerce from 1972–73, gaining an HNC in Business Studies,and was then accepted by the University of St Andrews (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/University_of_St_Andrews), where he studied Economics and Medieval History ( according to his wikipedia entry ) Salmon was not born into a priviliged elite and neither is he what I would call a champagne socialist a champagne licker / crawler to big business yep..socialist...get real

All Prime Ministers since 1855, apart from Gordon Brown, have recieved a BA or MA from Cambridge or Oxford! (apart from Major and Churchill too) So theres the cosy club... Eton / Oxford / Cambridge theres where the elite are developed.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 14:41
You make some good points Rob and of course you're quite right Eton is a privileged confine for grooming future leaders of business.
Oxford and Cambridge are world class universities people from all over the world attend them and they are accessible to normal folk who can cut the grade.

Unfortunately privilege and money are no guarantee of intelligence and as with any walk of life some are detached from reality, but if you took a walk around wick or Thurso on a Friday night you'd find some even more detached from reality.

The reality is politicians are usually elected if you vote for someone totally detached from reality then you pretty much get what you deserve.
The difference to some extent is the quasi messianic following the SNP enjoy at the moment, the policies put forward are no more realistic than any other parties and to a greater extent would place the country into a deeper financial quandary.

You will hear constant criticism of Cameron, Milliband, Clegg, Farage and the other party leaders as they are human that's to be expected and makes democracy more robust, but when it comes to the SNP leadership their followers accept no faults, no possibility of error.
I'd go as far to say that if it was broadcast that Nicola Sturgeon was to walk on the waters of the Clyde before feeding 5000 with a Tunnocks Tea Cake and a can of Irn Bru then no doubt the faithful masses would assemble at the elected time fully expecting the occurrence to take place and when it didn't happen it would be due to a Westminster Plot making the water too choppy and greedy capitalists reducing the size of said tea cakes and cans of pop.

No blame would be attributed to the Lady herself.

rob murray
23-Apr-15, 16:34
You make some good points Rob and of course you're quite right Eton is a privileged confine for grooming future leaders of business.
Oxford and Cambridge are world class universities people from all over the world attend them and they are accessible to normal folk who can cut the grade.

Unfortunately privilege and money are no guarantee of intelligence and as with any walk of life some are detached from reality, but if you took a walk around wick or Thurso on a Friday night you'd find some even more detached from reality.

The reality is politicians are usually elected if you vote for someone totally detached from reality then you pretty much get what you deserve.
The difference to some extent is the quasi messianic following the SNP enjoy at the moment, the policies put forward are no more realistic than any other parties and to a greater extent would place the country into a deeper financial quandary.

You will hear constant criticism of Cameron, Milliband, Clegg, Farage and the other party leaders as they are human that's to be expected and makes democracy more robust, but when it comes to the SNP leadership their followers accept no faults, no possibility of error.
I'd go as far to say that if it was broadcast that Nicola Sturgeon was to walk on the waters of the Clyde before feeding 5000 with a Tunnocks Tea Cake and a can of Irn Bru then no doubt the faithful masses would assemble at the elected time fully expecting the occurrence to take place and when it didn't happen it would be due to a Westminster Plot making the water too choppy and greedy capitalists reducing the size of said tea cakes and cans of pop.

No blame would be attributed to the Lady herself.

LOl lol lol well put : Good stuff, the lady in question is being interviewed / interogated on BBC next Monday by the guy who does dragons den, dont know if youve seem the leaders interviews but the guy is making mincemeat of so called leaders, very hard questions usually based around the guy reading / pointing out what people have said and done and highlighting discrepenices / hypopcricy...made Farage look a complete clown last night, the night before he had Millaband squirming although Millababnd handled the situation quiet well towards the end. Monday will see Ms Sturgeon really under the hammer, ( for the first time, and she wont get away with her normal tactics of blundering on and on speaking across the interviewer, the guys style doesnt allow this ) should be a good watch

squidge
23-Apr-15, 16:53
As it has been made abundantly clear many many times the only way Scotland will become independent is if the people who live here vote for it in a referendum. The only way there will be a referendum again is firstly if something material changes and then if a pledge to run another referendum is in the manifesto of any of the independence supporting parties. Then those parties have to be voted for. Therefore a vote for the SNP at this election will not further the cause of independence.

rob murray
23-Apr-15, 16:54
LOl lol lol well put : Good stuff, the lady in question is being interviewed / interogated on BBC next Monday by the guy who does dragons den, dont know if youve seem the leaders interviews but the guy is making mincemeat of so called leaders, very hard questions usually based around the guy reading / pointing out what people have said and done and highlighting discrepenices / hypopcricy...made Farage look a complete clown last night, the night before he had Millaband squirming although Millababnd handled the situation quiet well towards the end. Monday will see Ms Sturgeon really under the hammer, ( for the first time, and she wont get away with her normal tactics of blundering on and on speaking across the interviewer, the guys style doesnt allow this ) should be a good watch


Just saw this IFS announcement :
With the Scottish National party’s plans coming under unprecedented scrutiny amid expectations that it could prop up a minority Labour government, the IFS also cast doubt on Nicola Sturgeon’s claim to be rejecting austerity.
According to the IFS’s analysis, the SNP’s plans amount to the same as Labour’s - but it would continue cutting after 2018-19, so that by the end of the parliament, it would actually be spending less than Labour.
The IFS’s Gemma Tetlow said these plans: “seem to be significantly at odds” with the SNP’s anti-austerity rhetoric.....I fully expect Sturgeon to be minced on Monday, and her hyprocy to be fully exposed, the IFS aint a tupenny halfpenny think tank and are very influential / informed. Evan Davis is the interviewer, dragons den presenter and was previously an economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Institute_for_Fiscal_Studies) so he is no mug ! Sturgeons left of centre bull will be mercilesly exposed

rob murray
23-Apr-15, 16:57
As it has been made abundantly clear many many times the only way Scotland will become independent is if the people who live here vote for it in a referendum. The only way there will be a referendum again is firstly if something material changes and then if a pledge to run another referendum is in the manifesto of any of the independence supporting parties. Then those parties have to be voted for. Therefore a vote for the SNP will not further the cause of independence.

It will, stop kidding...we all know the SNP's real agenda is "freedom" all the crap spouted on about spending / cutting down austerity is being exposed for the lies that it is ( see IFS below ) : please watch Ms Sturgeon being exposed next Monday, if she survives her grilling...well 10/10 for her !

squidge
23-Apr-15, 17:19
It will, stop kidding...we all know the SNP's real agenda is "freedom" all the crap spouted on about spending / cutting down austerity is being exposed for the lies that it is ( see IFS below ) : please watch Ms Sturgeon being exposed next Monday, if she survives her grilling...well 10/10 for her ! At what point did I suggest that independence was not the aim of the SNP? I don't think I said that at all. What I said was that a vote for the SNP in this election does not further the cause for independence. If you think it does then maybe you can explain to me how it does.

I am not interested one iota in the economic squabbling that is going on. I know as well as you do Rob that there are as many expert economists supporting each different economic plan as the next. Line them all up and let them squabble amongst themselves. I am making my decision on issues that are important to me like everyone else should do.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 17:24
As it has been made abundantly clear many many times the only way Scotland will become independent is if the people who live here vote for it in a referendum. The only way there will be a referendum again is firstly if something material changes and then if a pledge to run another referendum is in the manifesto of any of the independence supporting parties. Then those parties have to be voted for. Therefore a vote for the SNP at this election will not further the cause of independence.

Well it's fairly clear that the referendum YES voters are currently propping up the SNP no big surprise in that hence the 45/49% pollings.
The bluff and bluster of Ms Sturgeons claim it requires a material change is no more than whatever she and her cohorts decides is material change, she has already refused on numerous occasions to rule out another referendum but has states a referendum on Europe would be one reason, regardless of how the electorate of Scotland happened to vote should that occur.
What we are seeing is more hard left spending promises without any mention of how the money is to be raised, the SNP are already pushing for full fiscal autonomy despite the £9 billion deficit it would create all this shows is in reality the parties total lack of responsibility to the electorate of Scotland.

Many people are not politically sophisticated and vote with their hearts or have a grasp of some of the implications of policies put forward to them but do not look at those policies in depth.
So far all I've seen from Ms Sturgeon in debates is a typically shouty politician who talks over everyone else, obfuscates and has a head that nods more than the Churchill dog in adverts.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 17:32
It will, stop kidding...we all know the SNP's real agenda is "freedom" all the crap spouted on about spending / cutting down austerity is being exposed for the lies that it is ( see IFS below ) : please watch Ms Sturgeon being exposed next Monday, if she survives her grilling...well 10/10 for her !

You raise many a good point Rob but alas Ms Sturgeon has sat in Mr Salmonds pockets for over a decade I doubt any straight answer will be given as she will do the usual acknowledge the question then answer something completely different or refused to be pinned down.

It's all smoke and mirrors designed to enflame the somewhat blinkered SNP followers that everything will be roses regardless of whatever happens.As for the illustrious other poster mentioning economic squabbling.

I don't think the IFS has any particular political leaning and has noted issues with all the parties manifesto promises, just so happens that the SNPs is one of the most unrealistic and fiscally inept.

To claim you're not interested in the economics is somewhat akin to saying you like watching £10 notes being flushed down the toilet as long as they aren't from your own wallet.

It is not unknown for political activist to be disingenuous when making points to cover their real intent.

So someone who was heroically vociferous during the referendum for independence may well obfuscate during a general election as it's no longer a primary concern when the truth of the matter is as plain as the nose on your face.

Rheghead
23-Apr-15, 17:39
Many people are not politically sophisticated and vote with their hearts or have a grasp of some of the implications of policies put forward to them but do not look at those policies in depth.

My experience is that people will not vote for a party that condescends them and insults their intelligence.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 17:55
My experience is that people will not vote for a party that condescends them and insults their intelligence.Oh well that's good in that case the SNPs days are numbered and they should get a real drubbing at the election.

PantsMAN
23-Apr-15, 18:27
Well it's fairly clear that the referendum YES voters are currently propping up the SNP no big surprise in that hence the 45/49% pollings.

So far all I've seen from Ms Sturgeon in debates is a typically shouty politician who talks over everyone else, obfuscates and has a head that nods more than the Churchill dog in adverts.

Membership of the SNP is currently over 100K and riding - 3rd largest party in the UK.

I love the way that many of your worthless diatribes end up with personal attacks.

Time to get out of short trousers and grow up wee mannie.

bothyman
23-Apr-15, 18:41
I'm voting for the one who is telling the truth !! The Jury is out at the moment.

All they seem to be doing is pulling each other to pieces.

golach
23-Apr-15, 18:52
Membership of the SNP is currently over 100K and riding - 3rd largest party in the UK




the population of Scotland is 5.295 million , a long way from your 100k, 55% of us kicked you into touch on Sept 18 th we can do it again.

Sgitheanach
23-Apr-15, 19:37
I am not an Snp member but i will never vote for a party that supports staying in the uk . I believe we will get independence in my lifetime the quicker the better.

PantsMAN
23-Apr-15, 20:10
the population of Scotland is 5.295 million , a long way from your 100k, 55% of us kicked you into touch on Sept 14th, we can do it again.

Aye aye.

The sound of someone who enjoys having others make decisions for them.

It's just a matter of time!:D

Sgitheanach
23-Apr-15, 20:25
the population of Scotland is 5.295 million , a long way from your 100k, 55% of us kicked you into touch on Sept 14th, we can do it again.

WHAT HAPPENED ON SEP 14th???????

rogermellie
23-Apr-15, 21:56
the population of Scotland is 5.295 million , a long way from your 100k, 55% of us kicked you into touch on Sept 18 th we can do it again.

i knew they'd lowered the voting age, but are you saying that even babies got to vote ?

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 22:08
The lowering of voting age to 16 was just a cynical ploy by socialists to garner extra support from younger voters who are intrinsically more left wing than older voters. If 16 is good enough to vote why not lower all the age restrictions to 16 and give the youth all the rights and responsibilities that adulthood confers upon a person. That would include ability to drive and pass a test at 16, to drink alcohol,marry without parental consent, obtain finance and mortgages and serve as front line troops and pay fully your way as an adult without any state funding.

BetterTogether
23-Apr-15, 22:12
Membership of the SNP is currently over 100K and riding - 3rd largest party in the UK.I love the way that many of your worthless diatribes end up with personal attacks.Time to get out of short trousers and grow up wee mannie.

I take it you have passed your posts through SNP party central and have Nodding Nicolas officially sanctioned approval, as we all know she has said very publicly she disavows herself of cybernats speaking on behalf of the politburo oops I mean party!

Meanwhile down on the Clyde it's been found that one Tunnocks tea cake and a can of Irn Bru cannot feed 5000, but that is purely down to Westminster and current worldwide market conditions that are beyond Nodding Nicolas control, but if you bear with her the transition may take a while longer but she is sure together they will get there in the end !

Rheghead
23-Apr-15, 22:37
The real dilemma for tactical voters is which pro-union party to vote for? Lab or Libdem? Normally I would have said Libdem as they are the incumbent but they have trashed their support by aligning themselves with the tories but Labour have kept their approval ratings intact on a UK wide scale. Plus John Thurso is a tory in all but name. I think the SNP will romp home on this seat.

Incomer796/class4
24-Apr-15, 00:18
Who gives a toss? they are all corrupt sleaze bags.

Crackeday
27-Apr-15, 11:19
The only Independence party Im interested in is UKIP. They seem to be the only party who are saying what most people are thinking.

rob murray
27-Apr-15, 15:35
The lowering of voting age to 16 was just a cynical ploy by socialists to garner extra support from younger voters who are intrinsically more left wing than older voters. If 16 is good enough to vote why not lower all the age restrictions to 16 and give the youth all the rights and responsibilities that adulthood confers upon a person. That would include ability to drive and pass a test at 16, to drink alcohol,marry without parental consent, obtain finance and mortgages and serve as front line troops and pay fully your way as an adult without any state funding.

Better together, drop the use of the word / term "socialists" which you seem to use with Mcarthyite zealousness and at will in a lot of your postings, frankly your beginning to annoy me, you sound like a T party type of guy, which Im sure your not, but jeezo, the only real "socialists" were the Liberal governments post 1900 / 1914 and Atlee 1945- 1950 ,The Labour Party that ran on promises to create full employment (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Full_employment), a tax-funded universal National Health Service (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/National_Health_Service), the embracing of Keynesian economic policies (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Keynesian_Economics) and a cradle-to-grave welfare state (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Welfare_state), with the campaign message 'Let us face the future.' embraced by ordinary people in their millions, wiping out Conservatives ( Churchill and all ), you know, those that fought and won a war against fascim, a generation whose fathers fought WW1 and returned to nowt but hot air..... No party, apart from some aspects of the greens, can ever be called these days, socialist, or to put it straight socialism in the c21st is by no means equal to c20th century socialism. It cant be now can it ? Your use of the word is a catch all aimed at any party who strays from the right.

BetterTogether
27-Apr-15, 16:07
Better together, drop the use of the word / term "socialists" which you seem to use with Mcarthyite zealousness and at will in a lot of your postings, frankly your beginning to annoy me, you sound like a T party type of guy, which Im sure your not, but jeezo, the only real "socialists" were the Liberal governments post 1900 / 1914 and Atlee 1945- 1950 ,The Labour Party that ran on promises to create full employment (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Full_employment), a tax-funded universal National Health Service (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/National_Health_Service), the embracing of Keynesian economic policies (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Keynesian_Economics) and a cradle-to-grave welfare state (http://forum.caithness.org/wiki/Welfare_state), with the campaign message 'Let us face the future.' embraced by ordinary people in their millions, wiping out Conservatives ( Churchill and all ), you know, those that fought and won a war against fascim, a generation whose fathers fought WW1 and returned to nowt but hot air..... No party, apart from some aspects of the greens, can ever be called these days, socialist, or to put it straight socialism in the c21st is by no means equal to c20th century socialism. It cant be now can it ? Your use of the word is a catch all aimed at any party who strays from the right.Fair point and duly noted maybe progressive socialists would be more acceptable.

rob murray
27-Apr-15, 16:26
Fair point and duly noted maybe progressive socialists would be more acceptable.

Nah just lump them all together as slightly centre left parties / Tories and UKIP being centre right. None of them are deserving or deserve to be called socialists

BetterTogether
27-Apr-15, 16:28
Now despite all Ms Sturgeons comments about wanting to do deals with the Labour Party today we start to see the real SNP agenda appearing.

Edinburgh East Candidate, Tommy Sheppard " on May 7th,we can visit on them their worst nightmare "

Dundee West Candidate, Chris Law " if I'm elected to Westminster I'm going to make sure there's fire in my belly, a loud voice and a strong fight to hold their feet to a fire for a roasting "

East Lothian Candidate,George Kerevan " this UK election is the most important of our lives. If the SNP gains enough seats we can ensure the full home rule vow is delivered- not just Smith. After Home Rule, independence will follow as the UK economy implodes "

Finally they are showing their true colours and intentions of they get the seats nothing but trashing the economy and creating a rift between Scotland and the rest of the UK and attempting to destroy the economy on their way through.

Progressive SNP socialism at its worst, how do you justify wishing to implode an economy thus affecting the poorest in society hardest and crippling the livelihoods of honest working class people as you do it.

rob murray
27-Apr-15, 16:56
Now despite all Ms Sturgeons comments about wanting to do deals with the Labour Party today we start to see the real SNP agenda appearing.

Edinburgh East Candidate, Tommy Sheppard " on May 7th,we can visit on them their worst nightmare "

Dundee West Candidate, Chris Law " if I'm elected to Westminster I'm going to make sure there's fire in my belly, a loud voice and a strong fight to hold their feet to a fire for a roasting "

East Lothian Candidate,George Kerevan " this UK election is the most important of our lives. If the SNP gains enough seats we can ensure the full home rule vow is delivered- not just Smith. After Home Rule, independence will follow as the UK economy implodes "

Finally they are showing their true colours and intentions of they get the seats nothing but trashing the economy and creating a rift between Scotland and the rest of the UK and attempting to destroy the economy on their way through.

Progressive SNP socialism at its worst, how do you justify wishing to implode an economy thus affecting the poorest in society hardest and crippling the livelihoods of honest working class people as you do it.

Ye mean a progressive slightly centre left party at its worst.............. slip of the tongue using "socialism" eh ??

rob murray
27-Apr-15, 16:58
Now despite all Ms Sturgeons comments about wanting to do deals with the Labour Party today we start to see the real SNP agenda appearing.

Edinburgh East Candidate, Tommy Sheppard " on May 7th,we can visit on them their worst nightmare "

Dundee West Candidate, Chris Law " if I'm elected to Westminster I'm going to make sure there's fire in my belly, a loud voice and a strong fight to hold their feet to a fire for a roasting "

East Lothian Candidate,George Kerevan " this UK election is the most important of our lives. If the SNP gains enough seats we can ensure the full home rule vow is delivered- not just Smith. After Home Rule, independence will follow as the UK economy implodes "

Finally they are showing their true colours and intentions of they get the seats nothing but trashing the economy and creating a rift between Scotland and the rest of the UK and attempting to destroy the economy on their way through.

Progressive SNP socialism at its worst, how do you justify wishing to implode an economy thus affecting the poorest in society hardest and crippling the livelihoods of honest working class people as you do it.

Ms Sturgeons comments about wanting to do deals with the Labour Party is a red herring ie nonsense about keeping labour "honest" and on track...Millaband has already rule out any coalition, if he gets in on SNP support he and labour are totally finished which he well knows, how can you do deals with a party who exists to fragment the UK ???? It cannot ever be on.

BetterTogether
27-Apr-15, 17:24
Ye mean a progressive slightly centre left party at its worst.............. slip of the tongue using "socialism" eh ??I think the term "progressive SNP socialism" sets is aside from any other form as I'd not call the SNP slightly centre left, more further left than centre left and then a wee bit more.

BetterTogether
27-Apr-15, 17:32
Ms Sturgeons comments about wanting to do deals with the Labour Party is a red herring ie nonsense about keeping labour "honest" and on track...Millaband has already rule out any coalition, if he gets in on SNP support he and labour are totally finished which he well knows, how can you do deals with a party who exists to fragment the UK ???? It cannot ever be on.

Given the rhetoric espoused by Mr Salmond and his cohorts during the referendum and raging of cybernats across many forums since, the brand SNP is probably too toxic for Labour to sit with and expect to win again,should they go down that route.
But let us never underestimate Mr Millibands desire to win at any cost. That in itself may be the factor we cannot take into account.
Then what has to be considered is if rUK decides it's time to jettison Scotland under its terms not those of the Edinburgh agreement.
What cost may they extract as the vengeful bigger country tired of the constant attempts at extortion by a small neighbour.
Things certainly wouldn't look so rosey in the garden then as the SNP wouldn't have any cards to play just the get what your given and be thankful scenario.
All the bravado in the world wouldn't guarantee anything the larger partner didn't want to give in those circumstances.

rob murray
27-Apr-15, 21:26
I think the term "progressive SNP socialism" sets is aside from any other form as I'd not call the SNP slightly centre left, more further left than centre left and then a wee bit more.

Thats where we disagree.....SNP are right of centre, tartan tories....despite the rhetoric / fight austerity etc...they are totally one sided, middle and upper classes haae demonstrably gained form the SNP, 2 examples 1 Non means tested "treats" 2 Council tax freeze...oh and "debatably" free higher education / no fee's : I think you've fallen for STurgeon et alls false rhetoric.

BetterTogether
27-Apr-15, 21:48
Thats where we disagree.....SNP are right of centre, tartan tories....despite the rhetoric / fight austerity etc...they are totally one sided, middle and upper classes haae demonstrably gained form the SNP, 2 examples 1 Non means tested "treats" 2 Council tax freeze...oh and "debatably" free higher education / no fee's : I think you've fallen for STurgeon et alls false rhetoric.You may well be right all I've noticed is they don't actually manage to do anything competently, it's all typical vote winning freebies. As for tonight's little soire what a disappointment I thought you said Evans would give her a rough ride, she didn't answer a single question honestly and just evaded everything.

Rheghead
28-Apr-15, 00:31
Thats where we disagree.....SNP are right of centre, tartan tories....despite the rhetoric / fight austerity etc...they are totally one sided, middle and upper classes haae demonstrably gained form the SNP, 2 examples 1 Non means tested "treats" 2 Council tax freeze...oh and "debatably" free higher education / no fee's : I think you've fallen for STurgeon et alls false rhetoric.

Well your Damascus road event has apparently hit a big pothole of your own making. I dispute that the SNP are right of centre. They are definitely mid centre with a smidging to the left.

rob murray
28-Apr-15, 10:24
Well your Damascus road event has apparently hit a big pothole of your own making. I dispute that the SNP are right of centre. They are definitely mid centre with a smidging to the left.

Definitely....are they ? Its all opinion isnt it, and we differ / agree to differ eh

Rheghead
28-Apr-15, 11:07
Definitely....are they ? Its all opinion isnt it, and we differ / agree to differ eh

I will dare to suggest that this chart plots where the political parties lie right now. As you can see, the Labour party are definitely right wing and authoritarian. Vote for them at your peril.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uk2015.png

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015

rob murray
28-Apr-15, 14:35
I will dare to suggest that this chart plots where the political parties lie right now. As you can see, the Labour party are definitely right wing and authoritarian. Vote for them at your peril.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uk2015.png

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015

Thanks : Nice diagram, doesnt change my view one iota. Notice the SNP are pretty border line with the nasty boys.

Rheghead
28-Apr-15, 17:20
Thanks : Nice diagram, doesnt change my view one iota. Notice the SNP are pretty border line with the nasty boys.

No they're way passed Labour to the right

Rheghead
28-Apr-15, 17:24
I'm sure I read that John Thurso said he wasn't standing again so I cannot see a reason to vote for him if his heart isn't in it.

rob murray
01-May-15, 12:40
I'm sure I read that John Thurso said he wasn't standing again so I cannot see a reason to vote for him if his heart isn't in it.

Dont think it matters who stands for LD or anyone else SNP white wash predicted by bookies.

rob murray
01-May-15, 14:35
Dont think it matters who stands for LD or anyone else SNP white wash predicted by bookies.

http://esreality.com/files/placeimages/2014/103208-EKPo3Sg.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpixgood.com%2Fbraveheart-freedom-meme.html&ei=5YBDVfW6C8vvaODTgdgE&bvm=bv.92189499,d.d2s&psig=AFQjCNH9iMPvwimhM6kXhY_wnKc38DkN-Q&ust=1430573631916223)