Red bag found at retail park wick

[theoneandonlyagain]

I found a red bag today with some items in it it looks like Christmas presents to me so if the person that lost it could PM me with a description of the contents I will gladly return them.

[theoneandonlyagain]

bump..................

[riggerboy]

should you not hand it into the police station, there nothing to say that the owner is on here, be careful you may get charged with theft by find, i think its against the law to with hold found items ,,,

[windymiller]

I found a red bag today with some items in it it looks like Christmas presents to me so if the person that lost it could PM me with a description of the contents I will gladly return them. You should have taken it back into the shop where the purchases were made and left it there, it's owner most likely went back looking for it to see if some kind soul had found and returned it. The retailer will have most likely have had card details, could have contacted the bank etc etc. And I'm with riggerboy, on the theft by find thingy.

[theoneandonlyagain]

You should have taken it back into the shop where the purchases were made and left it there, it's owner most likely went back looking for it to see if some kind soul had found and returned it. The retailer will have most likely have had card details, could have contacted the bank etc etc. And I'm with riggerboy, on the theft by find thingy.

Just for your reference
Theft by finding occurs when someone who chances upon an object which seems abandoned takes possession of the object but fails to take steps to establish whether the object is abandoned and not merely lost or unattended.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-ORO_finding-1) In somejurisdictions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction) the crime is called "larceny by finding" or "stealing by finding".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-Tay-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-LawTimes-3)
If the owner has renounced all property rights in the object, then the property is abandoned.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-ORO_finding-1) Since theft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft) is the unlawful taking of another person's property, an essential element of the actus reus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actus_reus) of theft is absent.[2]
The finder of lost property acquires a possessory right by taking physical control of the property, but does not necessarily have ownership of the property. The finder must take reasonable steps to locate the owner.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-Tay-2) If the finder shows that reasonable steps to find the owner have been taken then the finder may establish that the required mens rea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) for theft, the intention to deprive the owner permanently, is absent.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding#cite_note-Tay-2)
Mens rea (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɛ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)z (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key) [/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key"]ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English); Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) for "guilty mind".[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea#cite_note-1)), in criminal law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law), is viewed as one of the necessary elements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_(criminal_law)) of some crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime). The standard common law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law) test of criminal liability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_liability) is usually expressed in the Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) phrase, actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, which means "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". Thus, in jurisdictions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction) withdue process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process), there must be an actus reus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actus_reus), or "guilty act", accompanied by some level of mens rea to constitute the crime with which the defendant is charged (see the technical requirement of concurrence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concurrence)). As a general rule, criminal liability does not attach to a person who merely acted with the absence of mental fault. The exception is strict liability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability_(criminal))crimes.

[riggerboy]

dont think that is point, i think it should be handed over to the police, what makes you think that the owner is on this forum,????? is there no identifcation inside the bag, is the bag empty,

why do you still have it ?????

dont get me wrong i think you are trying to do a good thing here, its just if you have had no success in finding the owner then i think its time to give up and hand it in, your honesty should be rewarded, even if it is knowing you did the right thing

[sids]

We know you're not stealing the bag, but you'd be on the back foot trying to explain it to police and prosecutors. Especially if you give them barrack room lawyer quotes.

You picked up what you knew to be other people's stuff, took it home and so far have kept it.

They've heard: "I was holding on to it for them." before, from thieves.

Stop being silly and hand it in to the cop shop.

[Kevin Milkins]

26432

I saw this posted somewhere.

[theoneandonlyagain]

http://forum.caithness.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26432&stc=1

I saw this posted somewhere.

That's quite funny:lol:

[The Flea]

That's quite funny:lol:

You holding on to somebodys property is not.

[windymiller]

bump..................

Have you taken the red bag to the Police Station yet? or at least reported to the police that you are holding it?

As if I had lost it, and thought I might get it back, the first place I would go would be the Police Station to enquire about my 'Lost Property'.:roll:

[theoneandonlyagain]

Bump........

[riggerboy]

you are kidding, you surely still dont have the bag, i would take the hint, not everyone is on this forum, do the decent thing and hand it it to the police station, what are you thinking, infact i would say that you are trying to hold on to it now,

[theoneandonlyagain]

I am really not interested in what you think. Its obviously not your bag so why are you so bothered about it???????? This is on here on the off chance that someone will see it and know about the bag, and obviously there was no ID in the bag or I would not have needed to put this post on here.:confused

[joxville]

Afte this length of time and no claimant it's time you handed it in to the police.

[windymiller]

Seriously, I would say you have almost officially stolen it now, as I think you now intend to permanently deprive its owner of said bag and contents. As we are left assuming that you have not informed the Police that you have it, if so, you cannot claim to have taken all steps toward finding its rightful owner, can you?

[The Flea]

I am really not interested in what you think. Its obviously not your bag so why are you so bothered about it???????? This is on here on the off chance that someone will see it and know about the bag, and obviously there was no ID in the bag or I would not have needed to put this post on here.:confused

Most people will go to the police to see if they have lost something out in public areas to see if it has been handed in. Not everyone goes on the org so its ridiculous you keeping it to see if anyone comes forward. You have no right to this property as it belongs to someone else, hand it in to the police like anyone responsible person would.

[auk]

And the moral of this story is if you see something that someone has left behind leave for some dishonest person to come along and steal it to save you getting harassed on the org for trying to do a good deed. Now remember !!!

[2little2late]

Best thing to do is to hand it in to the police. Better still theoneandonlyagain why don't you put a news feed in the local newspaper. You'll get no sympathy if you get caught with it in your possession. Do the honourable thing and hand it in to the police. What do you think you are going to gain from keeping it. If it was by bag I'd be well peed off you held on to it. Bump................................. Perhaps if this post is reported to the police they will be able to find out who you are. Then you can explain your actions.

[windymiller]

And the moral of this story is if you see something that someone has left behind leave for some dishonest person to come along and steal it to save you getting harassed on the org for trying to do a good deed. Now remember !!!

Or do the decent thing and hand the lost property into the Police, This could be in combination with a notice on here saying you had found it and handed it over to he authorities. theoneandonly is not being harrassed for trying to do a good deed, more for not trying hard enough.

[theoneandonlyagain]

so what you are all saying is because you all assume that i have not said that i have done something i have not done it is that correct

[windymiller]

well, have you informed the Police or not?

If you have not, as we assume, all of the above applies.

[theoneandonlyagain]

what is it to you and if you assumed wrong all of the above does not apply

[thebigspoon]

What a bunch of moaning minnies with nothing better to do than trawl the org to find something to make a fuss about. Well done theoneandonlyagain keep up the good work

[sids]

Has he eaten the chocolate liqueurs?

[windymiller]

[QUOTE=theoneandonlyagain;1103919]what is it to you? Nothing really.

and if you assumed wrong all of the above does not apply? Correct. [QUOTE]

But I would ask; Does it apply?

[joxville]

What a bunch of moaning minnies with nothing better to do than trawl the org to find something to make a fuss about. Well done theoneandonlyagain keep up the good workI think everyone would congratulate the OP for doing the decent thing in trying to find the rightful owner, however, the thread was started on 13th Nov., bumped by the OP on 14th Nov., and again on 25th Nov., TWELVE days later!, suggests the bag is still in their possession. After a couple of days it should have been handed in to the police because as someone else mentioned, it could be treated as theft. Most of the posters were trying to give helpful advice but the OP went on the defensive and hasn't actually stated what they've done with the bag, now it's started to look farcical! 😄😄😄

[windymiller]

What a bunch of moaning minnies with nothing better to do than trawl the org to find something to make a fuss about. Well done theoneandonlyagain keep up the good work

And of course, your different because?

[thebigspoon]

And of course, your different because?I Am different because I imagine that this person, who appears to be doing the right thing has already gone to the police and has put this notice on here as an additional measure to try and find the owner of the bag. Rather than assuming that they have not contacted the police and accuse them of trying to keep the items.

[linnie612]

You may have imagined wrongly. At no point do you ... I mean theoneandonlyagain, say the bag has been handed into the police station.

[scorrie]

There is no red bag. It's a wind up. Funny how a "supporter" joins the Org to get involved in a pointless debate over nothing. The Big Spoon? A wee clue surely. What do spoons do? They STIR. Take the hint people.

A lot of attention paid here to one non-story and not a word about the shameful scenes up and down the country as consumerism driven hordes resort to violence and wanton greed in the effort to bag a bargain. Women wrestling over a TV because there was £80 off on Avarice Friday.

Little Timmy is stuck down the well, there's madness in Syria but let's all pray for the Little Red Bag to be reunited with Old Mother Hubbard because her doggie's bone is in it and he's as hungry as Ian Brady.

I have actually informed The Police on behalf of the Org and Gordon Sumner said he's not interested. Stewart Copeland said his interest was vaguely piqued and the other guy said "I'm the one whose name nobody knows"

[thebigspoon]

Thanks to you all for a warm welcome to the org and if you must know it's a big spoon because I take a lot of sugar in my tea ie I'll have the big spoon

[windymiller]

Thanks to you all for a warm welcome to the org and if you must know it's a big spoon because I take a lot of sugar in my tea ie I'll have the big spoon

Welcome again, cait.

[floyed]

Did the bag find its owners?

[windymiller]

I imagine it's new owner (theoneandonly) is quite happy with it.

To theoneandonly, I found a childs glove (multicoloured left hand) in the street, PM me where to drop it off.

[Shaggy]

OP hasn't went to nor informed the police about the bag or he would have been relieved of it and it would have been booked in. Adamant and as smug that he is thinking he has done the "right thing" he is a fool for holding onto it for so long and doing nothing more than posting on an internet forum about it. As for the purile and immature attempt to troll the orger with his sock puppet....well you have all done exactly what he wanted in the first place, another argument on e' org.

I found a common sense lying on the pavement the other day and picked it up and looked at it to see if there was a name on it but nothing identifying at all so i just lobbed it down the nearest sewer where it can join all the other trolls huddling together and mashing up their next plan for e' org

[Scunner]

I find it strange that there was no personal information inside the bag. Had the info been removed and the bag 'dumped'? Just a thought.