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Rheghead
17-Jul-14, 13:18
The Orange Order are a registered organisation for the No campaign and they have approval for marches just a few days before the Scottish independence referendum. In your opinion, will this remind the people of Scotland what is best about the UK or about what is worse? :confused

theone
17-Jul-14, 13:50
I fail to see any relevance with regards to our membership of the UK.

If anything, we could learn a lesson or two from England, where protestant and catholic communities live with a much higher level of harmony than they do in Scotland.

Rheghead
17-Jul-14, 14:06
I fail to see any relevance with regards to our membership of the UK.

If anything, we could learn a lesson or two from England, where protestant and catholic communities live with a much higher level of harmony than they do in Scotland.

Well, the Orange Order certainly see some relevance.

Big Gaz
17-Jul-14, 14:11
Well, the Orange Order certainly see some relevance.

don't you mean the religious bigots?

sam09
17-Jul-14, 14:34
The orange order are nothing but a bunch of religious bigots and should have no place in decent society.

(stand back and wait for the hate mail)

theone
17-Jul-14, 15:48
Well, the Orange Order certainly see some relevance.

My point being that independent or not, the Orange Order and their marches will continue.

The orange order, although unionist, do not represent the UK. Indeed, they hardly exist in England or Wales.

The orange order in Scotland is very much a Scottish problem.

Maybe your original question should have been:

In your opinion, will this remind the people of Scotland what is best about SCOTLAND or about what is worse?

But then again, that wouldn't suit your agenda.

sam09
17-Jul-14, 16:02
The Orange Order are a registered organisation for the No campaign and they have approval for marches just a few days before the Scottish independence referendum. In your opinion, will this remind the people of Scotland what is best about the UK or about what is worse? :confused

Rheghead: It will show what is worst, not about the U.K. but religious bigotry being touted on the streets of Scotland.

I care not what any-ones professed Religion is. In my opinion there is too much religion and not enough belief.

golach
17-Jul-14, 16:06
The Orange Order are a registered organisation for the No campaign and they have approval for marches just a few days before the Scottish independence referendum. In your opinion, will this remind the people of Scotland what is best about the UK or about what is worse? :confusedThe Orange order are a sectarian ultra Protestant group, a purely Scottish/Northern Ireland problem. Nothing to do with the referendum, why bring this up Rheg, scaremongering maybe

sam09
17-Jul-14, 16:17
The Orange order are a sectarian ultra Protestant group, a purely Scottish/Northern Ireland problem. Nothing to do with the referendum, why bring this up Rheg, scaremongering maybe

Well golach at least you acknowledge that the Orange Order is a problem.

The relevance is: They (the Orange Order) profess to being a unionist group and have instructed all their members to vote no in the referendum.

We here in Scotland should have no place in our society for these religious bigots regardless of which way they vote.

Phill
17-Jul-14, 18:52
Bunch o numpties celebrating a Dutchman.

Alrock
17-Jul-14, 19:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqSY3iQM56g

orkneycadian
17-Jul-14, 21:30
If anything, we could learn a lesson or two from England, where protestant and catholic communities live with a much higher level of harmony than they do in Scotland.

Or as they do here in Orkney.

Orange Order = Central Belt issue. Again something that has no relevance to us up in the North here.

Chook a demus
17-Jul-14, 22:04
Absolutely reminds me what is wrong with Scotland mind I dinnae recall seeing any orange order marches up here a ways.

gerry4
17-Jul-14, 22:09
I fail to see any relevance with regards to our membership of the UK.

If anything, we could learn a lesson or two from England, where protestant and catholic communities live with a much higher level of harmony than they do in Scotland.

As a catholic who has spent most of my 62 years living in both england & scotland it was not until abt 10 years ago that I realised that the Orange Order existed, never mind marched in Scotland. I have live maining on the east side of Scotland with no religious problems at all in either country.

I am sorry to say that the problems are mainly centred in & around Glasgow and not typical of the rest of Scotland.

golach
17-Jul-14, 22:15
I am sorry to say that the problems are mainly centred in & around Glasgow and not typical of the rest of Scotland.Oh is that so, then why have Police Scotland, granted them permission to march next weekend in Edinburgh, hope they are caught in the predicted rain storms.

sids
17-Jul-14, 23:04
Oh is that so, then why have Police Scotland, granted them permission to march next weekend in Edinburgh, hope they are caught in the predicted rain storms.

Edinburgh, Glasgow, same difference.

It's the south.

Big Gaz
18-Jul-14, 00:03
The central belt is the main area where these marches take place but they do occur in other areas of Scotland.

Many years ago at school aged 13 (1978/9) i learned to play the "C" concert flute and was subsequently asked if i would like to join a flute band....Harthill & Eastfield flute band to be precise (Harthill/Eastfield being halfway between Glasgow & Edinburgh) and naive little me agreed to do so and after a few training practices i was enlisted for my first march. I played well and took part in a number of marches throughout the year all over the area and enjoyed the situation but the reality hit home when i realised what i was actually marching for. It wasn't just playing the flute in a band as i thought but it was religious protest marches for something which i had no knowledge nor understanding of and i soon left the band once the truth came out. To be fair, there was never any trouble, never any fighting nor even abuse or shouting, we simply marched through whichever town was promoting the march day, enjoyed the experience and had sandwiches and drinks at the end of it. There were many bands from all over the area, Northern Irish ones too and everybody got on well. Nowadays however seems to be a totally different situation.....hence my statement in the earlier post!

gerry4
18-Jul-14, 12:50
Oh is that so, then why have Police Scotland, granted them permission to march next weekend in Edinburgh, hope they are caught in the predicted rain storms.

I think there is great surprise in edinburgh that it is going to be there. Maybe to go to Calton Hill & passed Holyrood. It is my understanding that there are no annual OO marches in Edinburgh.

golach
18-Jul-14, 14:32
I think there is great surprise in edinburgh that it is going to be there. Maybe to go to Calton Hill & passed Holyrood. It is my understanding that there are no annual OO marches in Edinburgh.

Well you understand wrong, they normally end up at the Meadows.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-approve-anti-independence-orange-march-1-3479592

squidge
18-Jul-14, 21:52
The Orange order are a sectarian ultra Protestant group, a purely Scottish/Northern Ireland problem. Nothing to do with the referendum, why bring this up Rheg, scaremongering maybeI would like to think they are nothing to do with the referendum but their plan to hold what they describe as an anti independence march means they ARE to do with the referendum.

Having stepped into a conversation last weekend where I was asked my voting intentions and then was told I was naive and stupid by a man who described his decision to vote NO as being based on the fact that "I am a Protestant man of ulster descent and it's the 12th July - what else would I vote?" I drew the conclusion that some people fail to see the irony in the things they say. I stepped away pretty sharpish as my catholic husband takes exception to being called a taig.

Fortunately his pal realised that too much whisky had been drunk and guided him away and brought him back in the morning to apologise for his behaviour lol. We made him wear the chain mail as penance and run round the tent lol.

orkneycadian
18-Jul-14, 22:24
I would like to think they are nothing to do with the referendum but their plan to hold what they describe as an anti independence march means they ARE to do with the referendum.

Suggests to me that Central Belt issues are more important to Central Belters than what happens up here.

squidge
18-Jul-14, 22:28
Yup just like Island issues are more important to islanders and highland issues more important to highlanders.

gleeber
18-Jul-14, 22:41
The orange order exists as a sectarian symbol. They havnt got a catholic thought in their minds but if they do they claim its presbyterian. I dont like nationalism but I would rather Scottish nationalism than the nationalism of the unionists cos thats what it is. Unionist nationalism and you'll find most of them are against the European union too. Bliddy hell 70 years ago we were at eachothers throats and dont anyone say we would never do it again. I think Glasgow would be smiles better if orange marches were confined to football stadiums. They could march round Hampden park all day long and the crowds could pop in and out to cheer and clap as they felt fit. Orange marches are part of a history of the culture of a people who beheaded kings and queens in the 16th century because they were catholics. They're all crazy.

gleeber
18-Jul-14, 22:52
On the other hand last year I was pushing my 3 year old granddaughter down Argyll street in Glasgow and we bumped into a march coming down the main road and heading down somewhere with police escorts and flashing blue lights My granddaughter was transfixed for the 5 minutes or so it took them to pass.. It reminds me of the pipe band and Saturday nights with my own grandfather minus the cops and lights.. It could be said the orange order are not provoking any trouble. Maybe they're not?

orkneycadian
20-Jul-14, 18:16
Yup just like Island issues are more important to islanders and highland issues more important to highlanders.

And what we find, even before the neverendum, is that all of Scotland get inflicted with Central Belt issues, but I doubt for a minute that STV in Glasgow gave any airtime to the perilous future of the Thurso gala float parade.

squidge
21-Jul-14, 00:32
And all of Scotland gets infected by issues which affect London and the South East which is why we have been landed with the Bedroom Tax, Immigration restrictions which do nothing to help Scotland and a Bill for the London Sewers. I doubt for one minute that ITV London are interested in Thurso's Gala either! At least in an independent Scotland policy will be implemented which puts the priorities of Scotland first and with 20% of the electorate living in rural Scotland we can look forward to having a louder voice.

orkneycadian
22-Jul-14, 22:00
London and South East population = ~20 million out of a UK population of 63 million = about 30%

Central belt population = about 75 - 80% of the Scottish population.

Vote Yes in September and we might as well sign up for night classes in "how to speak Weegie" - We are going to need it.....