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Somehow, whatever Micheal is, I can't help but feel some sympathy for him. Not so Jonathan King. Even his sleazy face plastered over the front of my newspaper today makes me want to puke! I'm just going with gut reaction here.
George Brims
30-Mar-05, 21:18
That smug creep made me want to puke long before I found out he is a paedophile.
King plied those youngsters with alcohol and showed them pornography before sexually assaulting them. There is a pattern developing...
Hmm, in what other high profile pop sex abuse court proceedings have we heard this modus operandi? :roll: [mad]
Somehow, whatever Micheal is, I can't help but feel some sympathy for him. Not so Jonathan King. Even his sleazy face plastered over the front of my newspaper today makes me want to puke! I'm just going with gut reaction here.
Mmmm - Jonathan King: Sleazy face
Michael Jackson: Normal face??????
Good job you aren't on a jury!
Maybe it will be shown that the only difference between the two is that MJ has enough money to get away with it (so far).
George Brims
31-Mar-05, 09:01
Last week when Robert Blake was acquitted of murdering his wife, Johnny Cochran (OJ Simpson's lawyer) stated that in America you are presumed innocent until proven broke. Blake must have been just rich enough I guess (he says he's broke now). Johnny himself died yesterday, wanting to be remembered for the ordinary people he helped rather than the OJ case - not gonna happen!
Mmmm - Jonathan King: Sleazy face
Michael Jackson: Normal face??????
Good job you aren't on a jury!
Maybe it will be shown that the only difference between the two is that MJ has enough money to get away with it (so far).
Sorry if i sounded shallow, just going with a gut feeling!
lassieinfife
31-Mar-05, 19:10
all i can say bout that sleeze bag is GGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Also a gut feeling - MJ will be convicted this time.
lassieinfife
31-Mar-05, 20:24
convict him??? they should fry himand all of his kind
The Angel Of Death
31-Mar-05, 21:01
Chemical Castration
Dare say that would fix the "urges"
Chemical Castration
Dare say that would fix the "urges"
Wouldn't that interfere with his 'Human Rights'?
Personally i grew up on a farm - and I would do what they did to the poor innocent boy lambs -- with rubber rings!
The Angel Of Death
31-Mar-05, 21:16
Wouldn't that interfere with his 'Human Rights'?
After getting convicted of that id say you waive your rights to human rights same with rapists castrate them all
George Brims
01-Apr-05, 22:00
The Home Secretary has said he finds King's recent comments "unacceptable". Well he should act isntead of just yapping. Surely making it clear that he has no remorse and thinks his prior actions were perfectly innocent qualifies King to have his parole revoked?
Wouldn't that interfere with his 'Human Rights'?
After getting convicted of that id say you waive your rights to human rights same with rapists castrate them all
You and I and 90per cent of the population would say that - however tell that to the human rights crowd, backed up, it appears by our laws.
The Angel Of Death
02-Apr-05, 11:16
Funny isnt it the same laws are there to protect us are equally there to protrect the people who break them in the first place sort of defeats them in the first place doesnt it
That thing, he's no fit till be called a person or a man for that matter, requires to have a very good beating with a bit o 2 by 2 5ft long and beat until it's a pulp. It and it's kind have no place in society and they should be publicaly flogged, continually, until it dies. I for one would love to do it. Another thing would get off with it has I get SEVERE PMT so my flogging it would be of great benefit to myself and family!
Alexander Rowe
05-Apr-05, 15:13
That thing, he's no fit till be called a person or a man for that matter, requires to have a very good beating with a bit o 2 by 2 5ft long and beat until it's a pulp. It and it's kind have no place in society and they should be publicaly flogged, continually, until it dies. I for one would love to do it. Another thing would get off with it has I get SEVERE PMT so my flogging it would be of great benefit to myself and family!
:eek: :eek:
Post of the week !!! :D
What made it all worse was when he fronted the media after being released. Giving a thumbs up to the cameras and trying to flog some cd or other. [mad]
Chemical Castration
Dare say that would fix the "urges"
Probably not. Even if you remove the ability for a sex offender to rape, there are many other ways in which they could sexually assault a child.
There is a risk that the treatment could anger them, and increase their chances of re-offending.
There is a risk that by treating their crime medically, they regard themselves as having a medical condition, and therefore regard their urges as 'not their fault'. Subsequently, you may increase their chances of re-offending.
There may be many ways of dealing with paedophilia, but I don't think this is one of them.
That thing, he's no fit till be called a person or a man for that matter, requires to have a very good beating with a bit o 2 by 2 5ft long and beat until it's a pulp. It and it's kind have no place in society and they should be publicaly flogged, continually, until it dies. I for one would love to do it. Another thing would get off with it has I get SEVERE PMT so my flogging it would be of great benefit to myself and family!
:eek:
And then we wonder why there's a 'Human Rights crowd'. Enough of you around and we'd be back to the days of witch hunting.
The Angel Of Death
05-Apr-05, 15:30
And then we wonder why there's a 'Human Rights crowd'. Enough of you around and we'd be back to the days of witch hunting.
Ok then Drutt how do you propose we deal with the problem hypothetically speaking consider it was a family member or someone close to you that it happened to how would you
Firstly want to deal with the problem ???
Secondly consider it appropriate for the situation to be dealt with ???
Ok then Drutt how do you propose we deal with the problem hypothetically speaking consider it was a family member or someone close to you that it happened to how would you
Firstly want to deal with the problem ???
Secondly consider it appropriate for the situation to be dealt with ???
Okay, firstly, I believe I can make suggestions without imagining that it had happened to a family member. If it had happened to a family member I suspect I'd be far less objective about it and I don't think that'd help.
1) We could decide that paedophilia is untreatable and imprison them for longer periods, perhaps even mandatory life sentences. I don't believe there would be any human rights concerns there if such changes were made in the appropriate way and not as a result of Michael Howard jumping up and down. There would only be a concern about human rights abuses if we felt it appropriate to imprison people before they'd committed a crime.
Now, I can't say I'm entirely against this option, but it is horrendously expensive, and we'd need to be prepared to pay for it in the form of increased tax. If this is what you want, fair enough.
2) We could have the equivalent of 'Megan's law' in this country. We could, as a community, know the names and faces of paedophiles and keep an eye on their whereabouts for the purposes of protecting the community's children. This could have been a possibility until the Sun newspaper whipped the masses into a frenzy and idiots started attacking innocent people because they had a similar name, or a similar face, or had the misfortune to be a paediatrician. This is why I have a problem with people who'd engage in witch hunts – they increase the likelihood that paedophiles will go 'underground' and find other ways of committing crimes.
The Angel Of Death
05-Apr-05, 16:26
Ok say we go down option 2 the Megan's law in theory its a good idea at least everyone will know where they are etc however I just cant see that working at all if the details are available to everyone going on the line of "I don't want one of them next door" etc no one will I know for a fact that I wouldn't want one next door to me
Where would it be appropriate to put them all at the moment no one wants a family from hell next door let alone "one of them"
The first option I just cant see it working at all no one wants higher tax's but in this case it would be justified in my opinion however we will still have the "pc" crowd who will push for there release as like the terror suspects at the moment and the fact that the government shouldn't have the ability to hold someone indefinitely
Ultimately is a no win situation on one hand we cant keep them locked up forever (even though they want to) and on the other if there released they May offend again but even if they don't there is still the "I don't want one next door" argument as well
I say put them all to stroma but then again the poor sheep :D
Well, as we're not prepared to pay enough tax to imprison them indefinitely (and by this I mean all of us, generally, as tax payers and not you specifically, TAoD), then they are in the community. Without wishing to scaremonger, they live somewhere, they have neighbours, so they must be living next door to some of us.
We're too hysterical about the subject for politicians or the police to be able to trust us with the information about who they are and where they live, so we are left trusting the under-resourced police to monitor them.
Certainly at the moment it appears to be a no-win situation.
The Angel Of Death
05-Apr-05, 17:12
The main thing is that its the people they live next door to that i feel for sorry for the thought of what may be or become its not a nice thought but as we have pointed out there isnt an easy soloution to the problem unless anyone else wants to throw there hat in the ring ???
Hey Drutt, am no a witch but a could easily become one for the scum o the earth like Johnathon King and Mr Jackson. Can you honestly say that if something like that was done to one of your family members or a friends child you wouldn't want to do something to the prevert who commited it. I for one will and openly say it, I would take matters into my own hands if any of mine were ruined by a prevert.
They should have no human rights when they have done something wrong let the punishment fit the crime. This and other countries have gone soft. We should be making these scumbags do time. When I say time I mean hard labour, NO TVs, NO PLAYSTATIONS, NO POOL TABLES etc. For pity sake the barins that had these crimes commited on them have a life sentence. They won't have an easy time like King had in Jail. And then he comes out and asks for folks to buy his stuff. NO WAY. He and others should not be able to get money from publicising their crimes. In fact I think the government should make sure he and others who have written books etc forfeit their money and then the money can be used to help those who really require it. "Hey good job am no in Government"
George Brims
05-Apr-05, 18:07
Jeepers Alli, your post is so ranting that I almost wonder if it's a mickey-take. Can we not get a spell checker and grammar checker in here?
Here's a point on Megan's law (since I live where there is one). A recent audit found that over 25% of the registered sex offenders were not at their last registered address - in other words they have gone underground, moved to another state, or even died, without anyone relaising they were gone. The point is whatever you do, you had better make sure enough resources are committed to it.
Chemical castration - there was a time when this was done experimentally, without informed consent, to some sex offenders, in order to finfd out the side effects. A convicted sex offender can volunteer for chemical castration in some jurisdictions in exchange for a lighter sentence. I don't know the figures on how effective it is, but I assume that means it mst work to some extent to prevent repeat offences.
Hey Drutt, am no a witch…
I never suggested you were. I suggested that if there were large numbers of people with your attitudes, we'd return to the days of the witch hunts. That'd make you a hunter of witches (paedophiles/anyone you were incensed about), not a witch.
Can you honestly say that if something like that was done to one of your family members or a friends child you wouldn't want to do something to the prevert who commited it.
No, I couldn't, but that's why we don't put judicial decisions in the hands of victims' families.
I for one will and openly say it, I would take matters into my own hands if any of mine were ruined by a prevert.
And you would, I hope, expect to face the full force of the law for having done so.
They should have no human rights
I absolutely disagree. The recognition that everyone has human rights is a basis of a civilized society.
…when they have done something wrong let the punishment fit the crime. This and other countries have gone soft. We should be making these scumbags do time. When I say time I mean hard labour, NO TVs, NO PLAYSTATIONS, NO POOL TABLES etc.
Oh, don't stop there. Let's feed them bread and water, dress them in orange jumpsuits, manacle them together at the ankle and make them break up big rocks with pick-axes. :roll:
(King) and others should not be able to get money from publicising their crimes.
Agreed.
In fact I think the government should make sure he and others who have written books etc forfeit their money and then the money can be used to help those who really require it.
The Criminal Assets Agency goes some way to ensuring criminals do not profit from their crimes, so proceeds from burglaries, fraud etc can be seized.
Criminals who write about their exploits aren't, I believe, permitted to make money from their crimes while in prison. After prison, they've served their sentence, and nothing can stop them from getting a book published. Surely you should be calling for decent people to refuse to buy books written by criminals?
"Hey good job am no in Government"
Well, you said it. ;)
I don't know the figures on how effective (chemical castration) is, but I assume that means it mst work to some extent to prevent repeat offences.
Or it is just used so the authorities can argue that they are doing something.
George Brimms, if a want till rant I'll rant okay! An if e want a spell checker fine by me as a cannae spell an a write how a speak!!
Oh! another thing a didnae care what colour e jumpsuits are preferably ones wee no parachute,for when we flng em oot e plane And a hope e bread is mouldly! :evil :evil :evil
WE also need to educate and inform our children so that they know that these people exist. Openness about abuse is VITAL if children are to be protected. Giving children permission to "tell" and letting them know that NOTHING is too terribkle to tell teir parentsis important.
If we cant know where these people are - and i agree with Drutt that we cant be trusted with that information - then we have to educate our kids about paedophiles and how to keep safe.
Always tell your children that there is nothing too terrible to tell you , that you will always love them and that no one has the right to tell them they have to keep a secret from you.
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