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I read on here with great concern the comments made about the Scottish National Parties White Paper on their (S.N.P`s) plans for Scotland`s future in the event of a yes vote.
This white paper is the S.N.P`s plans for what they invisage if they (the S.N.P) are elected as the Government of Scotland in the Scottish General Election after obtaining a yes vote. It is not what the people of Scotland will be voting for on the 18th of September. It is up to the Scottish people to elect which party they think is best suited to govern in our best interests as an Independent Nation.
I think it disingenuious of all other parties not to have published their own agendas for an Independent Scotland.
It is about time that all the parties published their own white papers on their future plans for Scotland in the event of a yes vote to level the playing field.
weezer 316
05-Feb-14, 21:42
Surely they would do that in the first Socttish general election no? in much the same way I dont expect the SNP to publuihs a manifteso for a no vote seeing as they are activly campaigning for a yes....
RagnarRocks
05-Feb-14, 21:50
I really don't understand why other parties should have to publish white papers on what happens as the SNP are the only party wanting Indepence. As it is the white paper isn't fit for purpose it leaves more question I.e currency. Europe. NATO. Etc these questions aren't really answered in the white paper and as far as I can see despite Mr Salmonds reassurances non of them are forgone conclusions. Its all very well repeating tired old rhetoric that its all up for negotiation the closer the big vote gets the less Mr Salmond seems to have any of his facts straight on each point he gives assurances and each time more and more people come forward to disagree that his stated position is not as guaranteed as he says it is.
Basically, what it boils down to is that the other Scottish political parties are either not interested or are scared of Westminster. I too wonder why no other Scottish political party has made any effort whatsoever to comment on the independence issue other than to shoot down Fat Eck at every possible opportunity. It worries me that not one party has stated what they will do if independence occurs but what worries me even more is independence actually happening and it all being a one-party (SNP) show. The other parties will be totally lost as none of them whatsoever have made any effort to offer their agenda should it happen. They all seem to be holding back and hoping/waiting for Salmond to hang himself and are ready to step in and fill the void where the SNP used to be and pretend it never happened. food for thought!
RagnarRocks
05-Feb-14, 22:31
Maybe the other parties accept that as a new country then by rights the country would have to have a general election to decide what happens that would be the time to start producing propaganda in the mean time by producing anything, means they think there is a chance of Scotland becoming independent and would be leapt on by the SNP as more fuel for their fire.
What really annoys me is the assertion that if I continue to live here after the referendum and a yes vote , that I become a scot.
I am not, never will be other than what I was born and bred and proud of.
My folk looked at this independence and despite having a very large population and the where with all to support ourselves we were not wrapped in a cloak of literature or historical fantasy.
The world has moved on and my folk went with it, our identity is no longer disputed, our ancient language recognised.
Whilst we most certainly do not agree with Westminster we sure as heck know how to kick the mother of parliaments as and when we get the chance!
Mrs Bradey
06-Feb-14, 03:14
What really annoys me is the assertion that if I continue to live here after the referendum and a yes vote , that I become a scot.I am not, never will be other than what I was born and bred and proud of.My folk looked at this independence and despite having a very large population and the where with all to support ourselves we were not wrapped in a cloak of literature or historical fantasy.The world has moved on and my folk went with it, our identity is no longer disputed, our ancient language recognised.Whilst we most certainly do not agree with Westminster we sure as heck know how to kick the mother of parliaments as and when we get the chance!if in the event of a yes vote, you and other non Scots become Scottish. does that mean that all the Scots living south of the border become English? could be worth voting for!
What really annoys me is the assertion that if I continue to live here after the referendum and a yes vote , that I become a scot.I am not, never will be other than what I was born and bred and proud of.My folk looked at this independence and despite having a very large population and the where with all to support ourselves we were not wrapped in a cloak of literature or historical fantasy.The world has moved on and my folk went with it, our identity is no longer disputed, our ancient language recognised.Whilst we most certainly do not agree with Westminster we sure as heck know how to kick the mother of parliaments as and when we get the chance!What? You do not HAVE to become anything. You will remain British, you will still be who you are, have a British Passport and still have your own heritage. You will be a citizen of an Independent Scotland- one of Scotlands people because you live here and will be able to choose to apply for a Scottish Passport, but your national identity is your own! Independence is not about being wrapped in a cloak of literature and historical fantasy either. People are making decisions to vote YES because of what they decide is best for them and their family and future. Some people do believe Scotland should be independent by right and because of its History but is that any less valid than believing that it should remain as pRt of the union because of battles won and the history of a great empire or because someone "feels" british?
RagnarRocks
06-Feb-14, 09:18
No I'd be much happier if we were allowed to be English but alas you can be Scottish, Welsh, Irish, British of any other creed or gender but nowhere on any official document will you find English. Meanwhile everyone else screams for independence thinking that they have a right to be what the consider their birthright is but reality is every Englishman and Englishwoman has been labelled British to keep the rest happ for decades if not longer.Now what I do think would be grand is if Scotland does not go independent it accepts British Law and jettisons Scottish law that way it makes governing the country easier, saves money and makes the whole country one place equal under law wherever you live. Then we could start calling ourselves Uniited Kingdom
I filled a form in this week which gave me the option to be White English. The Daily Express this last few days quite clearly said in a headline that the tennis was a victoryFor the English Team despite it being a british team. It doesnt matter to me. I am quite clearly identifiable by my dulcet lancashire tones as an English woman and that is what I will remain. I may use Scots words and even sometimes murder them but I like being me, im proud of my accent and remain interested in my home town and what is happening there. Living in an Independent Scotland wont change that.
There was a snippet in the Daily Record the other day where Team GB who were playing the USA in the Davis cup were referred to on air as England by the English presenter John Inverdale and it caused such a furore. Apparently only a few complaints came from the Scots but many were from English people phoning in and complaining with one even stating that just because it has Scottish players in the team, why should it be called Team Great Britain.
I really don't give a hoot where anyone comes from, i accept that the country is the way it is and always have been but when such narrow minded people keep bleating on about the English/Scottish/Great Britain crap and moaning about the immigrants and coloured people who constantly play the race card it's no wonder there is a divide and the UK is in such a mess as it it now.
Maybe independence will soften this, maybe it will make it worse? we won't know until the end of the year and i for one will vote but whether or not independence happens is irrelevant to me as i will still be a Scotsman living in Scotland until i pop my sannies.
Further complications of a yes vote, is the General Election in 2015 as Scotland after a yes vote will until the General Election in Scotland in 2016 to decide the Scottish Government. Scottish voters will still be part of the U.K and still be eligible to vote in the General Election to send M.P.s to Westminster. I wonder what the stance of all political parties will be on that issue.
Going by the above posts, people are still of the mindset that the S.N.P.`s white paper is what we here in Scotland are stuck with. Just to make it clear it is not. Scotland`s future direction would be decided by the party elected after the Scottish General Election in March 2016. That is why it is just as important for all other parties to publish their Manifestos for an independent Scotland now. Yes other Political Parties are stating that they want Scotland to stay in the Union, but I and others wait with baited breath to see them shown in their true colours in the event of a yes vote when they are scrambling for election to a Scottish Government.
As for Nationality, no-one will be forced to become Scottish as the dooms
RagnarRocks
06-Feb-14, 14:20
Well that being the case surely its for the SNP to make its point and after the referendum dependent on the outcome the other parties can submit white papers if Scotland should become independent. I think if Scotland votes for independence then expects to still influence the rest of rUk there would probably be uproar south of the border, this is the first I've heard of it and it doesn't seem particularly fair that a country that's just voted itself independent should still be voting in a countries elections its decided to leave.
This issue of the General Election of 2015 will be for the negotiating teams to decide upon after the referendum in September. I dont expect to see any further "whitepapers" or manifestos from any of the BT parties. Ragnar is right, there will be no indication of what the Labour Party, Libdems or tories would like to see in an Independent Scotland unless there is a YES vote. They refuse to acknowledge that it is even a possibility so there is no way we will see any plans.
This issue of the General Election of 2015 will be for the negotiating teams to decide upon after the referendum in September. I dont expect to see any further "whitepapers" or manifestos from any of the BT parties. Ragnar is right, there will be no indication of what the Labour Party, Libdems or tories would like to see in an Independent Scotland unless there is a YES vote. They refuse to acknowledge that it is even a possibility so there is no way we will see any plans.
Presumably, what they will want is to get back into the UK?
RagnarRocks
06-Feb-14, 17:59
Presumably, what they will want is to get back into the UK?You mean after they realise they won't automatically get entry into Europe under the terms they want,the USA vetos their entry into NATO, the Orkneys and Shetlands launch a bid for independence from Scotland and lay claim to the Oil and Gas and finally the after not succesfully negotiating currency union the Groat is deemed worthless by International Finance markets :0))
You mean after they realise they won't automatically get entry into Europe under the terms they want,the USA vetos their entry into NATO, the Orkneys and Shetlands launch a bid for independence from Scotland and lay claim to the Oil and Gas and finally the after not succesfully negotiating currency union the Groat is deemed worthless by International Finance markets :0))
I suppose that why that paper that advocates Scottish independence every day has said it will have a GDP greater than france & be one of the top 35 exporting countries.
If you want to read the article then http://archive.is/vcQ78
RagnarRocks
06-Feb-14, 23:41
All well and good in the short term but longer term there is this part near the end of that article
Scotland’s fiscal health will also be challenged by the relatively rapid ageing of its population and the long-term decline of oil output from depleted North Sea reserves.
Independence is long term not short term its ok saying wow we will be better off for the next 50yrs but what after that
RR. What will any country be like in 50 years. No one forecast the crash of the banks that started in the US. Did anyone forecast the oil crisis in the 60's. As the article says even without oil Scotland has a strong economy.
Another report forecast that the Pentland Firth alone would provide 40% of our energy needs. In 50 years with improved technology imagine how much more it could produce.
Lol squidge, but I did hear it said on 'e TV as what any one living here would become a scot, honest.
Now I might have more tartan in my wardrobe than the average clan but with my accent and history a scot?
It's also got scots friends south of the border worried too, will they loose their identity?
OH has decided he's gonna raise The Raven Banner as he's fed up with the whole matter .
(Takes tongue out of cheek and dives for the bunker.)
RR. What will any country be like in 50 years. No one forecast the crash of the banks that started in the US. Did anyone forecast the oil crisis in the 60's. As the article says even without oil Scotland has a strong economy.
Another report forecast that the Pentland Firth alone would provide 40% of our energy needs. In 50 years with improved technology imagine how much more it could produce.
I still don't buy in to the strong economy argument. Yes, as part of the UK it is. But apart, relying almost entirely on foreign investment? Very dodgy, a situation other countrys try very hard to avoid.
I still don't buy in to the strong economy argument. Yes, as part of the UK it is. But apart, relying almost entirely on foreign investment? Very dodgy, a situation other countrys try very hard to avoid.
All I can say is that most economists say Scotland can be Independent without having to have a lower standard of living. No one can prove it though so it is just a question of faith.
For me though that is not the main thing making want to vote Yes. It is to allow Scotland to vote in the government that it wants. That to me is important. I am not just talking about getting rid of Tory governments. If in the future Scotland votes in a Tory government then fine, I won't of voted for it but it would of been democratically elected by the people living in Scotland.
RagnarRocks
07-Feb-14, 15:02
So basically it would appear the people wanting independence are dye in the wool socialists who are dividing a great country up through petty political point scoring rather than through any true desire to make it a greater nation. More of a Socialist nation and we all know what happens to them, beware the knock on the door late at night times.
So basically it would appear the people wanting independence are dye in the wool socialists who are dividing a great country up through petty political point scoring rather than through any true desire to make it a greater nation. More of a Socialist nation and we all know what happens to them, beware the knock on the door late at night times.
No that is not what I said. I said that Scotland should be able to elect the government that it wants, whether it be Tory, Labour, SNP, LibDem, Green or who ever. It is generally considered that England tends to be right of centre & Scotland left of centre. So far in the history of Holyrood there has never been a socialist government elected. There has either been a Lab/LibDem coalition or a SNP government. The Conservatives tend to have a higher percentage of the votes at Holyrood elections than at Westminster. Remember in one of the 1950 elections the conservatives had a vote of 50.1% of the scottish votes. Therefore it is likely that at some time in the future the Conservative's will form some part of a government in iScotland.
It is also a myth that scottish Labour MP's have held the balance in a Labour government in Westminster. I think it is only once or twice that Scottish Labour MP's have given a Labour Westminster government. Therefore a independent Scotland will not lead to a permanent Conservative government in Westminster.
So basically it would appear the people wanting independence are dye in the wool socialists who are dividing a great country up through petty political point scoring rather than through any true desire to make it a greater nation. More of a Socialist nation and we all know what happens to them, beware the knock on the door late at night times.
That is a really stupid thing to say, RR, don't you think? The dyed in the wool "socialists", like the dyed in the wool conservatives, the dyed in the wool liberals and the dyed in the wool "floating voters" who want independence are not the ones doing the petty political point scoring.....the only ones guilty of that are the dyed in the wool unionists. and, in the end, the way this debate is going, it is the dyed in the wool Unionists who will be responsible for the breaking up of the Union all by themselves.
It may well not happen this year, although I hope it does, but the whole attitude of the Westminster politicians, and their supporters, is making any possibility of a long term future for the Union more unlikely daily. If you think that the last 300 years in the Union has produced a chip on our shoulders....it will pale into insignificance compared to the resentment that the winning of a NO vote in the Referendum using the tactics of Project Fear will engender.
If you think that the last 300 years in the Union has produced a chip on our shoulders....it will pale into insignificance compared to the resentment that the winning of a NO vote in the Referendum using the tactics of Project Fear will engender.
That is what I have been saying. It doesn't matter now which way the vote goes, the damage is done. It is the single most devisive episode to happen in my lifetime and I ain't so young. And Oddquinn, you can't just blame one side they are equally guilty of trying to pit us against each other.
RagnarRocks
13-Feb-14, 21:31
That is what I like to call the Scottish Problem its always someone else to blame. . .The Genie is now well and truly out of the bottle and whichever way it goes you can guarantee its been divisive and one group won't be happy and then the recriminations start.If you don't get Independnece then who knows what the Nationaliats will do. .. . And if you do get independence then every instance they don't get everything they want. Then it will be bullying or some other excuse, but one thing you can guarantee It will never be their own fault.Listening to Nicola Sturgeon today is a prime example ... Governor of the Bank of England. Treasury Minister. the Chancellor . Labour and Lib Dem Ministers all say no,what's her reply.. Well our Independent Person says Yes. She sounded like a petulant child who keeps demanding the same thing regardless how many times she's told no.
That is what I like to call the Scottish Problem its always someone else to blame. . .The Genie is now well and truly out of the bottle and whichever way it goes you can guarantee its been divisive and one group won't be happy and then the recriminations start.If you don't get Independnece then who knows what the Nationaliats will do. .. . And if you do get independence then every instance they don't get everything they want. Then it will be bullying or some other excuse, but one thing you can guarantee It will never be their own fault.Listening to Nicola Sturgeon today is a prime example ... Governor of the Bank of England. Treasury Minister. the Chancellor . Labour and Lib Dem Ministers all say no,what's her reply.. Well our Independent Person says Yes. She sounded like a petulant child who keeps demanding the same thing regardless how many times she's told no.
But all those you quote (bar the Gov of the BoE) saying it wont work are firmly in the No camp so what do you think they would say? It's all politics and so predictable with no real fact, just speculation. Just what the politicians want, an opportunity to say what they want to suit their case without proof they are telling lies! They must be loving it.
RagnarRocks
13-Feb-14, 23:46
But all those you quote (bar the Gov of the BoE) saying it wont work are firmly in the No camp so what do you think they would say? It's all politics and so predictable with no real fact, just speculation. Just what the politicians want, an opportunity to say what they want to suit their case without proof they are telling lies! They must be loving it.Yes all those people are the people Mr Salmond has to negotiate with and he has now been told the currency card is not up for negotiation.
Its a fairly strong case when all the politicians say no.
But when the treasury says no and the Bank of England say no it changes things its gone beyond politics.
Where are the SNPs hard facts on why currency union is so good for everyone all he has said is it bluff bluster and bullying.
I haven't heard a single good financial reason made why it should be so. I watched George Osbourne this morning his speech was long and in depth as to the rationale for not wanting currency union over 30 minutes and Mr Salmond thinks three words negates that.
Where are the SNPs hard facts ? Alex Salmond is trying to sell us independence and thinks rhetoric with no hard details will carry him the vote, would you give your mortgage, savings, pensions, credit card debt to a politician who said trust me it will be ok the day after you vote but I won't give you the details before.
You'd be mad if you did but that's what the First Minister is asking you to do.
Yes all those people are the people Mr Salmond has to negotiate with and he has now been told the currency card is not up for negotiation.
Its a fairly strong case when all the politicians say no.
But when the treasury says no and the Bank of England say no it changes things its gone beyond politics.
Where are the SNPs hard facts on why currency union is so good for everyone all he has said is it bluff bluster and bullying.
I haven't heard a single good financial reason made why it should be so. I watched George Osbourne this morning his speech was long and in depth as to the rationale for not wanting currency union over 30 minutes and Mr Salmond thinks three words negates that.
Where are the SNPs hard facts ? Alex Salmond is trying to sell us independence and thinks rhetoric with no hard details will carry him the vote, would you give your mortgage, savings, pensions, credit card debt to a politician who said trust me it will be ok the day after you vote but I won't give you the details before.
You'd be mad if you did but that's what the First Minister is asking you to do.
Personally, I'm not bothered how we deal with the currency...I'd be happy enough to use sterling informally in the short term until we can make up our minds. That is no different really from the position we are in currently. We are subjected to UK fiscal and monetary policy, geared to London and the South of England, with no input from Scotland to the decision making, and little ability to ameliorate the effects on the Scottish economy. Using Sterling informally would leave us in the same position as we are now re decision making.....but we would have the full panoply of fiscal tools to counteract the effect of a London-centric fiscal/monetary policy. However, to respond to your specific question.....
According to Mark Carney, what a currency union would do......."…it eliminates the transactions costs associated with using, and switching between, different currencies…Sharing a currency can promote investment by reducing uncertainty about currency movements and giving businesses access to deeper, more liquid financial markets… Sharing a currency can also help to increase the mobility of labour and capital, raise trade in goods and services, and improve the flow of technology and ideas." As Scotland is rUk's second biggest trading partner, transaction costs would likely be around £500 million, and it is possible that the extra costs, particularly with smaller businesses, would threaten some of the 700,000 jobs related to that trade.
According to the ONS...UK Trade is a major component of two other key economic statistics – UK Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and the UK Balance of Payments. This means that there is a threefold potential for UK Trade statistics to inform the Government’s view of the UK economy, as well as the views of others, such as economists, City analysts, academics, the media, and international organisations. So a reduction in both of those statistics would affect the statistics produced using them...and that could affect things like the credit rating, position in league tables etc. While I'm not saying for a second that it will produce a much more enormous hole than a £1.4 trillion National Debt has already drilled, it could affect the level of interest paid on the annual borrrowing, which is currently at a level which is continuing to add to that debt and has no chance of not being required by 2016, as Osborne has admitted.
The UK , in 2012, had a Balance of Payments deficit of £59.2 billion, and that was with Scotland, without Scotland, that would have been around £99 billion. Whisky alone, according to Cameron, adds £135 to the UK balance of payments credit side every second..and the rUK GDP would be reduced by the 9.9% of Scotland's input, not only affecting statistics, but also the income available to service the debt and support the spending.
I think the main problem, apart from politicking, with Westminster's attitude is that any negotiations would not be the rUK dictating what was going to happen, but a joint agreement to satisfy both sides.....and Westminster doesn't like not being in charge of everything. If Westminster thinks it can just impose monetary and fiscal parameters on Scotland and not have to accept the equivalent themselves, then they are as daft as they so often appear.
Today, of course, Westminster is not just foot-stamping and pouting.....it is actually throwing its toys out of the pram.....A REFERENDUM Yes vote would not guarantee Scottish independence and the 'status quo' will be maintained if talks do not go smoothly, a senior Coalition source has warned.......pretty much saying that if the Scottish negotiating team doesn't agree with what Westminster says is going to happen, then even if we vote YES in appreciable numbers...we ain't getting Independence, because they won't let us! Don't see how they can stop us, myself.....all we would need to do is stop trying to be reasonable and walk away with nothing but the clothes we stand up in.......a bit like someone reaching the end of his/her tether with an abusive spouse..and start again. http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/yes-does-not-mean-yes.23438016
I notice Shell is selling a bunch of North Sea assets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10635549/Shell-to-sell-three-North-Sea-oil-assets.html
I notice Shell is selling a bunch of North Sea assets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10635549/Shell-to-sell-three-North-Sea-oil-assets.html
And your point is?
Mrs Bradey
14-Feb-14, 18:43
That is what I like to call the Scottish Problem its always someone else to blame. . .The Genie is now well and truly out of the bottle and whichever way it goes you can guarantee its been divisive and one group won't be happy and then the recriminations start.If you don't get Independnece then who knows what the Nationaliats will do. .. . And if you do get independence then every instance they don't get everything they want. Then it will be bullying or some other excuse, but one thing you can guarantee It will never be their own fault.Listening to Nicola Sturgeon today is a prime example ... Governor of the Bank of England. Treasury Minister. the Chancellor . Labour and Lib Dem Ministers all say no,what's her reply.. Well our Independent Person says Yes. She sounded like a petulant child who keeps demanding the same thing regardless how many times she's told no.her independent person doesn't live in dunnet by any chance?
Mrs Bradey
14-Feb-14, 19:03
And your point is?I think the point maybe shell are the first multi national to try and "bail out" while thier interest in north sea oil is still worth something! you have to wonder who might buy into a businesses that is being championed as the main earner for an independent Scotland. the worry would be that the new independent Scottish government struggling to finance itself, may raise taxes to the multinational oil companies harvesting oil on Scottish territory! I don't know if any of the oil companies are Scottish businesses!?!
I was wondering why Salmond had chosen the date of 18th September for 'his' day, could it be that in 1544 English King Henry VIII's troops occupy Boulogne? or in 1809 the Royal Opera House in London opens, or that in 1879 The Blackpool Illuminations are switched on for the first time?.
Ahh! found it: 1914 Irish Home Rule bill receives Royal assent
There you are..
RagnarRocks
14-Feb-14, 20:25
I was wondering why Salmond had chosen the date of 18th September for 'his' day, could it be that in 1544 English King Henry VIII's troops occupy Boulogne? or in 1809 the Royal Opera House in London opens, or that in 1879 The Blackpool Illuminations are switched on for the first time?. Ahh! found it: 1914 Irish Home Rule bill receives Royal assent There you are..Nothing like tugging on the emotional strings in every way possible to get a result
I think the point maybe shell are the first multi national to try and "bail out" while thier interest in north sea oil is still worth something! you have to wonder who might buy into a businesses that is being championed as the main earner for an independent Scotland. the worry would be that the new independent Scottish government struggling to finance itself, may raise taxes to the multinational oil companies harvesting oil on Scottish territory! I don't know if any of the oil companies are Scottish businesses!?!
Then it would be good if you actually read the article before commenting. Are Brazil and Australia going to be holding a referendum to leave the UK as well? becoming independent from the UK?
They have already divested themselves of their shares in facilities in other countries and are doing the same with their shares in three older less productive wells in the North Sea. I has nothing to do with independence and everything to do with maximising profit.
Come on.....it's a Telegraph link...so if it could have been spun to give the impression it was because of independence, it definitely would have been.
That is why I asked ducati what his point was in mentioning it in a thread on independence ..but it looks as if his point was that if a known NO supporter puts a link on an Independence thread it has to be something anti-independence....even if it isn't...so other NO supporters don't need to read it.they just react to the Headline.......which incidentally says nothing about independence.
Sheesh!
AFAIK, there are 5 Oil/Gas exploration and extraction companies registered in UK, 3 of them in Scotland.
RagnarRocks
14-Feb-14, 20:47
My one issue with the oil and gas debate is currently the SNP are bigging up renewables in favour of oil and gas so I'm wondering if somewhere high up in boardrooms companies are worried about the possibility of punative tax schemes to fund more renewables at the expense of the oil and gas industry and divesting themselves of assets in areas which many become problematic.
Then it would be good if you actually read the article before commenting. Are Brazil and Australia going to be holding a referendum to leave the UK as well? becoming independent from the UK?
They have already divested themselves of their shares in facilities in other countries and are doing the same with their shares in three older less productive wells in the North Sea. I has nothing to do with independence and everything to do with maximising profit.
Come on.....it's a Telegraph link...so if it could have been spun to give the impression it was because of independence, it definitely would have been.
That is why I asked ducati what his point was in mentioning it in a thread on independence ..but it looks as if his point was that if a known NO supporter puts a link on an Independence thread it has to be something anti-independence....even if it isn't...so other NO supporters don't need to read it.they just react to the Headline.......which incidentally says nothing about independence.
Sheesh!
AFAIK, there are 5 Oil/Gas exploration and extraction companies registered in UK, 3 of them in Scotland.
It was just the first link on the list. You are a serial messenger shooter :roll:
My one issue with the oil and gas debate is currently the SNP are bigging up renewables in favour of oil and gas so I'm wondering if somewhere high up in boardrooms companies are worried about the possibility of punative tax schemes to fund more renewables at the expense of the oil and gas industry and divesting themselves of assets in areas which many become problematic.
Maybe the scottish government is doing it because oil & gas is running out and wind, hydro & sea are not. Why would the government set punitive taxes on oil and force the oil companies to shut down the rigs?
RagnarRocks
14-Feb-14, 21:49
As I said its a possibility green taxes are pretty in vogue and I'm not sitting in the boardrooms when the decisions are being made but it seems odd that a company would sell off profitable assets when it doesn't need to
As I said its a possibility green taxes are pretty in vogue and I'm not sitting in the boardrooms when the decisions are being made but it seems odd that a company would sell off profitable assets when it doesn't need to
Which part of depleted wells do you have difficulty understanding? and are the other companies involved in them also selling up?
RagnarRocks
14-Feb-14, 22:16
So what you're saying is with the country about to go and vote on Independence and the SNP claiming that oil and gas revenues are to be part of the backbone of a newly independent Scotland, the companies that run the wells are selling up because they are nearly depleted. Hmmm why do I see a bit of a problem there ! Excuse me for seeming somewhat cynical .
Mrs Bradey
15-Feb-14, 18:52
So what you're saying is with the country about to go and vote on Independence and the SNP claiming that oil and gas revenues are to be part of the backbone of a newly independent Scotland, the companies that run the wells are selling up because they are nearly depleted. Hmmm why do I see a bit of a problem there ! Excuse me for seeming somewhat cynical .Hmmm indeed!
Rags - you know when you use a tube of toothpaste - you finish it and throw it away and then you invest in a NEW one. BP, Shell are both investing in the north sea. And once again....... The oil is not all there is.
So what you're saying is with the country about to go and vote on Independence and the SNP claiming that oil and gas revenues are to be part of the backbone of a newly independent Scotland, the companies that run the wells are selling up because they are nearly depleted. Hmmm why do I see a bit of a problem there ! Excuse me for seeming somewhat cynical .
I said depleted, the article did not. I said depleted to see if anyone would read the article......or if they'd just go with something that fitted their agenda without checking. Maturing doesn't mean depleted.....it means past its peak oil stage and declining in production. :roll:
Reason for selling.......The move to sell the assets comes after Shell announced a profit warning in mid-January followed by its final results for 2013 in which it said it would be making "hard choices" about new projects and reducing capital spending. The firm said it planned to budget $37 billion for capex in 2014 compared to the $46 billion in spent in 2013, along with plans to accelerate asset sales.
Shell said.....We are focusing and strengthening our portfolio for the decades ahead with many exciting projects such as new wells we are drilling at Shearwater, our investment in extending the life of Gannet, our investments in the non-operated ventures of Schiehallion and Clairnand our purchases, last year, of a further interest in Beryl and the Curlew floating production, storage and offloading (FPSO) vessel.
According to Oil & Gas UK....There are substantial volumes of oil and gas yet to recover from the UKCS".
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