Help with animal noise ID

[kas]

Can anyone help me ID the noise, we think it must be linked to the fox recorded by the camera 3 minutes before. Is it foxes fighting or one making a kill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur8Jm0RoHa0

A fox clip in daylight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEMU1vw-wJ8

[Nigel Shelton]

sounds like cubs squabling over food

[kas]

Many Thanks for that.
I was noticing that the sound is not as loud on a friends computer as it is on my own, so apologies if you can not hear it.

[nearing rock bottom]

Many Thanks for that.
I was noticing that the sound is not as loud on a friends computer as it is on my own, so apologies if you can not hear it.

Isn't it a bit early in year for cubs?

[Kenn]

Day time or night time? Did n't sound like fox cubs to us they tend to be more yappy like puppies.

[kas]

Yes I think it would bea early so I presumed when cubs were said then it meant last years cubs. Lizz there is some puppy type sounds about 4 secs and 23 secs but they are very quiet and cant be heard on some PCs and as you say the rest of it isnt very puppy like. So I am still none the wiser yet. Have left the camera in the same location to see if we get any more footage that will shed any light on it.

[billmoseley]

that is a Vixen fighting probably the unwanted attentions of a dog fox. theirs screams at times can almost be scarey and have been likened to a babies crys

[kas]

Many Thanks Bill