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secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 21:33
Where would you go if the unthinkable happened? That is, the Eckish Numpty Party was in charge of grinding Scotland into the ground after secession, and Jessica-George Osborne was in charge of grinding England into the ground after secession?
I'm not a natural linguist, so English speaking countries would be near the top of my list.
The USA? It's an obvious destination, and it would probably be at (or close to) the top of my list.
Canada? I'm not sure - it's awfully cold in winter, and awfully hot and sweaty in summer - unless you're on the coast. There's nothing on the east coast, but there's Vancouver and its environs on the west coast - which are are a possibility....
Ireland? Don't be daft!
New Zealand? Too small, and too far away.
Australia? It's perhaps the best alternative to the USA. It's a long way away though.
Singapore? Perhaps, and its science is on the up.
What about Europe?
Germany? This is probably top of my European list right now, although it's hard to get a decent job in science if you're not a native.
The Netherlands: This is probably my second choice, but there's a new language to learn. My Dutch colleague likes living here because we're grumpy - just like they are lol!
France? Italy? Spain? Perhaps....
Where would you go?
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 21:35
LOL. I'd love to live in Bonnie Scotland. :lol:
MerlinScot
02-Feb-13, 21:39
New Zealand or Australia, although we would probably be parked a couple of years in England before getting the visas :/In Europe, I already lived nearly everywhere and at the top of the list Germany and France would be our choice but my husband doesn't speak any French or German, so we can't move there.Southern countries (Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy) have all bankrupted or on the brink of bankruptcy.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 21:40
On second thoughts, The Netherlands are awfully flat... and crowded. I need hills... and space!
I forgot Switzerland. It's one of the few small countries with good science.
There's also Japan, which has everything - but the culture change would be enormous, I'd have to learn the language from scratch, and there aren't any curry shops or Mexicans or decent Italians....
billmoseley
02-Feb-13, 21:41
Russia. it's up and coming and have more money than most and i'm sure they could find a job for a bus driver
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 21:45
New Zealand or Australia, although we would probably be parked a couple of years in England before getting the visas :/In Europe, I already lived nearly everywhere and at the top of the list Germany and France would be our choice but my husband doesn't speak any French or German, so we can't move there.Southern countries (Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy) have all bankrupted or on the brink of bankruptcy.I like Portugal and Italy, but as you say, they're not economically stable countries to escape to....
New Zealand is no good for me, their science base is almost non-existent by global standards. I'd like to visit though, which I could do if I went to Oz. :cool:
Methinks you need to get your husband to learn a new language!
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 21:48
Russia. it's up and coming and have more money than most and i'm sure they could find a job for a bus driver
Have you any room in your suitcase for Flynn? :lol:
macadamia
02-Feb-13, 21:55
I would live in Scotland. Out of curiosity.
I shall sleep underneath Morven (for millennia if need be) until I hear the distant beat of God Save the Queen, then I will rise from my sleeping place and vanquish all secessionists before me.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 21:57
The Scottish UndergroundThat's another possibility - stay and fight.
I used to wonder why many Scots fought against Bonnie Ponce Charlie in 1746. With hindsight (and Eck in my sights) it's obvious.
We were trying to recruit an Italian at my work recently. He's not keen on coming here because he fears unrest and public disorder before and after the Eckerendum. He asked if there is unrest right now!
MerlinScot
02-Feb-13, 21:57
New Zealand is no good for me, their science base is almost non-existent by global standards. I'd like to visit though, which I could do if I went to Oz. :cool:Methinks you need to get your husband to learn a new language!I have lived in New Zealand and liked it a lot. Main problem is that NZ is so far from everything....Don't you think I tried to get him to learn one? Lol completely unsuccessful hehe
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 21:58
I suppose it needs to be asked ...... how many of you would be able financially, to go anywhere outside of Britain? I, for one, wouldn't be able to. No other country in the world provides, to the same extent that our does.
MerlinScot
02-Feb-13, 22:02
We were trying to recruit an Italian at my work recently. He's not keen on coming here because he fears unrest and public disorder before and after the Eckerendum. He asked if there is unrest right now!According to an Italian friend of mine living in Edinburgh, Italians only stands a maximum stay of 6 months in Scotland and then leave, even though at home they have the cr*ppiest government in Europe. Mind you, it is not because of secessionists but the weather, which they consider unbearable.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 22:04
I have lived in New Zealand and liked it a lot. Main problem is that NZ is so far from everything....Don't you think I tried to get him to learn one? Lol completely unsuccessful heheTake him somewhere they don't speak English, and he'll have to learn pretty damned quickly!
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 22:06
According to an Italian friend of mine living in Edinburgh, Italians only stands a maximum stay of 6 months in Scotland and then leave, even though at home they have the cr*ppiest government in Europe. Mind you, it is not because of secessionists but the weather, which they consider unbearable.
You've obviously moved around a fair bit Merlin. What was the attraction for Britain?
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 22:06
To Wales..North or south?
Russia. it's up and coming and have more money than most and i'm sure they could find a job for a bus driverIt's a long drive from St Petersburg to Vladivostok. It's even further than Wick to Bettyhill! :cool:
Where would you go if the unthinkable happened? That is, the Eckish Numpty Party was in charge of grinding Scotland into the ground after secession, and Jessica-George Osborne was in charge of grinding England into the ground after secession?
I'm not a natural linguist, so English speaking countries would be near the top of my list.
The USA? It's an obvious destination, and it would probably be at (or close to) the top of my list.
Canada? I'm not sure - it's awfully cold in winter, and awfully hot and sweaty in summer - unless you're on the coast. There's nothing on the east coast, but on the west coast, there's Vancouver and its environs - which are are a possibility.
Ireland? Don't be daft!
New Zealand? Too small, and too far away.
Australia? It's perhaps the best alternative to the USA. It's a long way away though.
Singapore? Perhaps, and its science is on the up.
What about Europe?
Germany? This is probably top of my European list right now, although it's hard to get a decent job in science if you're not a native.
The Netherlands: This is probably my second choice, but there's a new language to learn. My Dutch colleague likes living here because we're grumpy - just like they are lol!
France? Italy? Spain? Perhaps....
Where would you go?
I dont see why any one of these countries would have you.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 22:08
I dont see why any one of these countries would have you.That's nice - can you not bear the thought of me leaving you? :cool:
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 22:15
According to an Italian friend of mine living in Edinburgh, Italians only stands a maximum stay of 6 months in Scotland and then leave, even though at home they have the cr*ppiest government in Europe. Mind you, it is not because of secessionists but the weather, which they consider unbearable.I work with an Italian who's been here at least 6 or 7 years - he seems to like it here.
They're right about the weather though. I get more and more depressed by winter every year....
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 22:15
:lol::lol: We're in stitches here! You're playing a blinder SiS. [lol]
nightspirit
02-Feb-13, 22:21
The land if fire and Ice ! Iceland if no maybe the faeros
MerlinScot
02-Feb-13, 22:23
I work with an Italian who's been here at least 6 or 7 years - he seems to like it here.They're right about the weather though. I get more and more depressed by winter every year....As my friend, I guess... she's been here 5 years, but she always said if she had the money for a decent living there she would go back. Unfortunately the unemployment rate is staggering, 28% (not the official one in the government propaganda, it seems).
MerlinScot
02-Feb-13, 22:28
You've obviously moved around a fair bit Merlin. What was the attraction for Britain?I am very guilty M Swanson... I chose Scotland on purpose :/I have no idea why, I guess curiosity... Came here to improve my English language skills and... Years passed by!!
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 22:32
As my friend, I guess... she's been here 5 years, but she always said if she had the money for a decent living there she would go back. Unfortunately the unemployment rate is staggering, 28% (not the official one in the government propaganda, it seems).I'm not sure, but I think my Italian friend has had many opportunities to go back. It's possible that he's stayed for the sake of his daughter's education, but I think he genuinely likes it here.
M Swanson
02-Feb-13, 22:39
I am very guilty M Swanson... I chose Scotland on purpose :/I have no idea why, I guess curiosity... Came here to improve my English language skills and... Years passed by!!
That answers my question. Thanks Merlin.
I haven't decided which will way I will vote but either way I will stay in my home country and crack on with it. Because I am not a whining little pansy who throws my teddy out of the cot if I don't get my own way.
Those of you against Independence who are saying they will leave should it be voted in look down .. now. Your pants are on fire aren't they ??, but hey if they aren't then don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. At least that annoying droning whine will disappear when you jog on to pastures new.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 23:41
I haven't decided which will way I will vote but either way I will stay in my home country and crack on with it. Because I am not a whining little pansy who throws my teddy out of the cot if I don't get my own way.
Those of you against Independence who are saying they will leave should look down .. now. Your pants are on fire aren't they ??, but hey if they aren't then don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. At least that annoying droning whine will disappear when you jog on to pastures new.Your record on this forum says otherwise. You usually throw your toys out of the pram and run away. What's happened to make you act differently since your last exit?
Your record on this forum says otherwise. You usually throw your toys out of the pram and run away. What's happened to make you act differently since your last exit?
The clue is in the name, when they get worn down and no place to go then they get a new lease of life and get Retread.
I have travelled all over the world a lot in my younger days, and always said there is no place like home. Am I worried if Eck and his cronies get in, NO I am not, so I will stay where I am.
secrets in symmetry
02-Feb-13, 23:56
The clue is in the name, when they get worn down and no place to go then they get a new lease of life and get Retread.He won't last long. He never does....
Have you any room in your suitcase for Flynn? :lol:
I've already been there.
I suppose it needs to be asked ...... how many of you would be able financially, to go anywhere outside of Britain? I, for one, wouldn't be able to. No other country in the world provides, to the same extent that our does.
Then you have not been to Australia or Canada. You really should try putting away the Daily Mail and actually travelling the world. It opens your mind.
North or south?
Mid. Tregaron in Ceredigion. Have a place there already where I live four months out of every twelve.
secrets in symmetry
03-Feb-13, 00:38
I've never been to Mid Wales. It looks good. :cool:
MerlinScot
03-Feb-13, 01:55
Then you have not been to Australia or Canada. You really should try putting away the Daily Mail and actually travelling the world. It opens your mind.
This made me laugh out loud, I swear so!! :lol: Completely agree with you. Unfortunately the problem abroad (meaning 'abroad a lot') isn't a worse lifestyle than in Uk or Europe, the immigration laws and the subsequent bureaucracy make your life hell and ruin your stay in those countries, even though your life is much better than in the Old Continent....
I would stay right here and work hard to make sure that the changes that need to be made are made in the best way possible. I would expect we would all work together to make sure that happen through our elected government and a robust and challenging opposition to that government.
I've never been to Mid Wales. It looks good. :cool:
It is a beautiful region. Here's a video of the area, made on a bike ride. http://s1353.photobucket.com/albums/q672/Forumstufftoo/?action=view¤t=LlangeithoLoopMusic_zps9d7546ed.mp4
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 12:00
Then you have not been to Australia or Canada. You really should try putting away the Daily Mail and actually travelling the world. It opens your mind.
What?? Australia provides more for the would-be, legal immigrant than Britain? I never knew that, Flynn. :D
So unlike Britain Australia doesn't require immigrants to be:-
Skilled and with a job and sponsor in position before arrival?
Needing any kind of health check?
Needing a criminal record check?
Able to support oneself for a minimum period of two years, without recourse to welfare?
No funds to pay for legal representation to assist residency and citizenship?
As certainly used to be the case, without even a passport? Not sure about that now.
Could I really jump on a 'plane and arrive in Australia tomorrow, where I'll be greeted with open arms? The once I'm in, I'm in forever type thingee?
I'm packing my bags! :lol:
Is this right, Blue?
What?? Australia provides more for the would-be, legal immigrant than Britain? I never knew that, Flynn. :D
So unlike Britain Australia doesn't require immigrants to be:-
Skilled and with a job and sponsor in position before arrival?
Needing any kind of health check?
Needing a criminal record check?
Able to support oneself for a minimum period of two years, without recourse to welfare?
No funds to pay for legal representation to assist residency and citizenship?
As certainly used to be the case, without even a passport? Not sure about that now.
Could I really jump on a 'plane and arrive in Australia tomorrow, where I'll be greeted with open arms? The once I'm in, I'm in forever type thingee?
I'm packing my bags! :lol:
Is this right, Blue?
Seriously, put the Daily Mail down, go for a trip abroad. You'll be a much happier and better educated person.
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 12:10
I would stay right here and work hard to make sure that the changes that need to be made are made in the best way possible. I would expect we would all work together to make sure that happen through our elected government and a robust and challenging opposition to that government.
So, if the Yes camp win Independence, who will form the opposition, Squidge? Are there other likely, credible political parties to challenge the SNP? Or will it be them forever more? :confused
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 12:12
Seriously, put the Daily Mail down, go for a trip abroad. You'll be a much happier and better educated person.
And yet a-g-a-i-n, Flynn fails to answer a single question. :lol: Seriously, I'm so pleased you're not on the side of Britain. We've lost enough already. :lol:
I'm on the side of thinking for myself, looking at the whole picture, and forming a considered opinion.
You're on the side of believing right-wing racist Daily Mail propaganda, swallowing it whole, and spouting nonsense.
macadamia
03-Feb-13, 12:48
No need to go anywhere. Once the Buffoon of Brigadoon has published his White Paper (still a wish list rather than a way ahead) Joe McPublic will start to smell a rat. Cameron and all the usual (think of all the vile names as usual) Silver Spooners will be dancing up and down. BUT the Tories will lose along with Brigadoon's Zoo Keeper, and we will be faced with the attractive prospect of Ed Milligram and his floppy Labour appartachicks (sic). This means a continuation of dilute social welfare policies which will, of course, bankrupt the country, but while it lasts will continue to keep benefit claimants in a better state than they would otherwise have been. Brigadoon's Park Keeper and his bunch of thinly-disguised Trotskyites will be replaced in Scotland with a newish Labour Party, rather more socialist than at present, and the sun will continue to shine on Partick, Govan, Paisley and all points East. Result!
MerlinScot
03-Feb-13, 13:23
No need to go anywhere. Once the Buffoon of Brigadoon has published his White Paper (still a wish list rather than a way ahead) Joe McPublic will start to smell a rat. Cameron and all the usual (think of all the vile names as usual) Silver Spooners will be dancing up and down. BUT the Tories will lose along with Brigadoon's Zoo Keeper, and we will be faced with the attractive prospect of Ed Milligram and his floppy Labour appartachicks (sic). This means a continuation of dilute social welfare policies which will, of course, bankrupt the country, but while it lasts will continue to keep benefit claimants in a better state than they would otherwise have been. Brigadoon's Park Keeper and his bunch of thinly-disguised Trotskyites will be replaced in Scotland with a newish Labour Party, rather more socialist than at present, and the sun will continue to shine on Partick, Goven, Paisley and all points East. Result!
This post made me laugh so hard that I was nearly crying... hahaha
No, I don't have such a negative view of the future in U.K. at the moment, but what scared me about the SNP policies was 'let's please the audience with a bunch of dreams and then we'll see"... Dreams are beautiful but people don't live off dreams (if only they could!).
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 14:05
I'm on the side of thinking for myself, looking at the whole picture, and forming a considered opinion.
LOL Course you are Flynn. You're so good at thinking up answers, that you can never either justify one of your statements of 'fact,' or answer any question put to you. You seriously need to reconsider your opinions and act a little more intelligently. You're a wind-up, right? :lol:
In desperation Flynn continued: "You're on the side of believing right-wing racist Daily Mail propaganda, swallowing it whole, and spouting nonsense."
Look old son, if you can't answer questions then you can't. Simples! ;) Coming back with this nonsense isn't fooling anyone. You see, I'm with a growing number of people who don't accept this "racist," nonsense any longer. Too many folks who aren't, have been accused of it and grown wise to this tactic of intimidation. It just doesn't work anymore. S'pect you know that, which is why you resort to the last desperate, ditch-stand of bringing the Mail into the attack. Lighten up Flynn. You know you want to! :D
LOL Course you are Flynn. You're so good at thinking up answers, that you can never either justify one of your statements of 'fact,' or answer any question put to you. You seriously need to reconsider your opinions and act a little more intelligently. You're a wind-up, right? :lol:
In desperation Flynn continued: "You're on the side of believing right-wing racist Daily Mail propaganda, swallowing it whole, and spouting nonsense."
Look old son, if you can't answer questions then you can't. Simples! ;) Coming back with this nonsense isn't fooling anyone. You see, I'm with a growing number of people who don't accept this "racist," nonsense any longer. Too many folks who aren't, have been accused of it and grown wise to this tactic of intimidation. It just doesn't work anymore. S'pect you know that, which is why you resort to the last desperate, ditch-stand of bringing the Mail into the attack. Lighten up Flynn. You know you want to! :D
You quote the Daily Heil chapter and verse every day. And yes, you're opinions are dripping with racism. If you are what it means to be British, then I would sooner not be British. You remind of this Guide to being a British bigot:
Visit an Irish pub for an Australian or Belgian beer. Drive home in a German car and on the way stop to purchase either fish and chips (invented by Mexican Jews), an Indian curry, a Turkish kebab, or a Chinese takeaway. Eat said food sitting on a Swedish sofa while watching American programs on a Japanese TV. Be suspicious of all things foreign whilst forgetting that your genepool has seen more foreign DNA than almost any other country. Worship St. George who was an Arab who had nothing to do with England.
Then bitch about how Britishness is being taken away from you by migrants.
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 14:24
You quote the Daily Heil chapter and verse every day. And yes, you're opinions are dripping with racism. If you are what it means to be British, then I would sooner not be British.
I've been posting for about three months and I've quoted the Mail, every day, Flynn? Really? Prove it. Go on I dare you! :D
Publish ANY opinion that I've expressed that is "racist," brother. :roll:
I'm British and proud! You are free to be whatever you choose! I care not a jot! :lol:
As you wish but first please give us your definition of 'British'.
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 14:35
:lol: More questions, you cannot answer. ;) Stop beating yourself up. Just try and make a statement you can actually back-up for once! Works for me! LOL
:lol: More questions, you cannot answer. ;) Stop beating yourself up. Just try and make a statement you can actually back-up for once! Works for me! LOL
I back up all my statements. Now please give us your definition of what makes a person British. I'm betting skin colour is in there somewhere.
M Swanson, Politics in Scotland is changing and will change further after a yes vote. There will be MPs who will be out of work who may choose to come to an Independent Scotland to continue their political career, there is already a Labour For Independence Group. The SDA may begin to put forward candidates, the tory party will have to change and goodness knows what will happen to the LibDems. Some commentators believe the SNP will change too. It will be an exciting time in Politics and I am glad to be involved.
M Swanson, Politics is chanhing and will change further after a yes vote. There will be MPs who will be out of work who may choose to come to an Independent Scotland to continue their political career, there is already a Labour For Independence Group. The SDA may begin to put forward candidates, the tory party will have to change and goodness knows what will happen to the LibDems. Some commentators believe the SNP will change too. It will be an exciting time in Politics and I am glad to be involved.
The LibDems will disappear into becoming a fourth party, behind UKIP third, tories second, and Labour in government.
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 14:50
I back up all my statements. Now please give us your definition of what makes a person British. I'm betting skin colour is in there somewhere.
LOLOLOL. That's it. I've read it all now. Not one question answered. Not one statement proven. Not one scrap of evidence to support your nonsense! And you've backed-them up? Toooooooo silly. Never right and your wrong again, Bro. Skin colour has absolutely nothing to do with my definition of British. Where have I ever suggested it has? Back it up ........... if you can! :lol: Sorry, but this is an unequal contest and I must away. I'm known for my kindness. :cool:
M Swanson
03-Feb-13, 14:54
M Swanson, Politics in an independent Scotland is changing and will change further after a yes vote. There will be MPs who will be out of work who may choose to come to an Independent Scotland to continue their political career, there is already a Labour For Independence Group. The SDA may begin to put forward candidates, the tory party will have to change and goodness knows what will happen to the LibDems. Some commentators believe the SNP will change too. It will be an exciting time in Politics and I am glad to be involved.
Thanks Squidge. I knew you were my best chance for being given a sensible response. I'm not too au fait with the politics of Scotland, but will certainly research the groups you have named. I haven't learned enough to arrive at a final conclusion on Independence, but I must say I admire your determination and willingness to fight your corner, without resorting to abuse. :cool:
Lol.... You forgot to add "under extreme provocation"lol.
LOLOLOL. That's it. I've read it all now. Not one question answered. Not one statement proven. Not one scrap of evidence to support your nonsense! And you've backed-them up? Toooooooo silly. Never right and your wrong again, Bro. Skin colour has absolutely nothing to do with my definition of British. Where have I ever suggested it has? Back it up ........... if you can! :lol: Sorry, but this is an unequal contest and I must away. I'm known for my kindness. :cool:
You do not understand the difference between speculation and statement, do you? You spout the Daily Mail chapter and verse, so of course there's no small element of bigotry. When you think 'immigrant' what colour face do you imagine? I'm still waiting for your definition of 'British'. Come on.
MerlinScot
03-Feb-13, 15:15
M Swanson, Politics in Scotland is changing and will change further after a yes vote. There will be MPs who will be out of work who may choose to come to an Independent Scotland to continue their political career, there is already a Labour For Independence Group. The SDA may begin to put forward candidates, the tory party will have to change and goodness knows what will happen to the LibDems. Some commentators believe the SNP will change too. It will be an exciting time in Politics and I am glad to be involved.
You don't know if it is changing along your beliefs. I agree it is changing, after the referendum there won't be any going back to old Scotland, in any case.
Although, as Swanson pointed out, I've to admit that you're one of the few people discussing your views about independence in a polite way and not resorting to useless abuse.
Really congrats, squidge!
I thought Britishness was holding a British passport. I feel very ignorant in this case. I must be stateless.
cptdodger
03-Feb-13, 17:29
I thought Britishness was holding a British passport. I feel very ignorant in this case. I must be stateless.
I have never in all my 49 years possessed a British passport. I am British, because I was born in Scotland. I know if you move to America you can apply to become an American citizen, so presumably you would have to give up your British passport, whether or not you can do the same here I have no idea.
You don't know if it is changing along your beliefs. I agree it is changing, ... I thought Britishness was holding a British passport. I feel very ignorant in this case. I must be stateless.Lol MerlinScot, I didnt say it was changing according to my beliefs, i offered an opinion based on what I have seen. I personally would like to see a strong socialist labour party which is led by an articulate and inspiring leader ( one can dream I know!!!). I would like to see a right of centre party which offers a coherent set of policies for those who have that point of view. There are suggestions that right of centre voters will be BETTER served in an independent Scotland because the tory party will not exist any more and a new party will take its place which does not carry the baggage of the current tory party.
Lol MerlinScot, I didnt say it was changing according to my beliefs, i offered an opinion based on what I have seen. I personally would like to see a strong socialist labour party which is led by an articulate and inspiring leader ( one can dream I know!!!). I would like to see a right of centre party which offers a coherent set of policies for those who have that point of view. There are suggestions that right of centre voters will be BETTER served in an independent Scotland because the tory party will not exist any more and a new party will take its place which does not carry the baggage of the current tory party.
I've stayed mostly away from this thread because there is so much pointless backbiting. Personally I'd like further integration into the UK. Since devolution, my perception is that Scotland has a worse deal and is somewhat more sidelined.
I am not suggesting reversing devolution, and would probably support more, just don't give the purse strings to a bunch of idiots!
I'd probably stay regardless, I came for the scenery not the politics. :lol:
MerlinScot
03-Feb-13, 19:59
I have never in all my 49 years possessed a British passport. I am British, because I was born in Scotland. I know if you move to America you can apply to become an American citizen, so presumably you would have to give up your British passport, whether or not you can do the same here I have no idea.Lol that was meant as British since you were born. If you move to America, you have to pay to have a British passport before you become an American citizen, because it will take years before you can actually apply for a new citizenship and you cannot stay abroad without any valid I.D. In some countries not necessarily you have to leave yours, you can have dual citizenship.Squidge, I never met a Tory in Scotland, is there such a thing like a Tory party here? Just curiosity, I'd never vote for them anyway.
Lol MerlinScot.... There are one or two on here I rather think. There ARE tory voters in Scotland. They are woefully ill served by the party in my opinion. The SNP also are made up of people across the political spectrum whose common goal is independence. This is why there are people who strongly believe that the SNP will split post referendum and those Independence supporters who are right of centre will form a new party to take that view forward. Interesting times!
This is why there are people who strongly believe that the SNP will split post referendum and those Independence supporters who are right of centre will form a new party to take that view forward. Interesting times!
I hope that is the case whether there is a Yes vote or a No vote decision.
cptdodger
03-Feb-13, 21:17
Lol that was meant as British since you were born. If you move to America, you have to pay to have a British passport before you become an American citizen, because it will take years before you can actually apply for a new citizenship and you cannot stay abroad without any valid I.D. In some countries not necessarily you have to leave yours, you can have dual citizenship.Squidge, I never met a Tory in Scotland, is there such a thing like a Tory party here? Just curiosity, I'd never vote for them anyway.
I'm perfectly aware I would have to get a passport if I wanted to leave Britain, which I have no intention of doing so, hence why I do not have a passport. I was using America as an example. And maybe you can have dual nationality, as I said, I do'nt know, I have never considered it. What I do resent though is having to prove I am British if I want to apply for a bank account or even work in my own country, the very fact that I have never had a passport, and can prove all my addresses since 1963 seemingly counts for nothing. I refuse to pay £70 odd pounds for something I'm not going to use, or go to the expense of learning to drive just to get a full driving licence to use as ID.
I'm perfectly aware I would have to get a passport if I wanted to leave Britain, which I have no intention of doing so, hence why I do not have a passport. I was using America as an example. And maybe you can have dual nationality, as I said, I do'nt know, I have never considered it. What I do resent though is having to prove I am British if I want to apply for a bank account or even work in my own country, the very fact that I have never had a passport, and can prove all my addresses since 1963 seemingly counts for nothing. I refuse to pay £70 odd pounds for something I'm not going to use, or go to the expense of learning to drive just to get a full driving licence to use as ID.
Cpt, I am with you, my passport ran out about 4 years ago, I decided I have seen as much of the world as I wish, and at the cost of £72.50+ to get a new one, I said no! I am British by birth and have lived in this little patch of the UK for most of my life. I am certain I will not need a passport in the near future, as Eck's madcap scheme is not going to succeed.
cptdodger
03-Feb-13, 21:42
My partner, Golach, had to get a passport for work in 2011, as it was his first passport he had to have an interview which was done in Wick. I have just checked, and the nearest office to have an interview is Dundee ! So, added to the cost of the passport, I would have to pay for travel to Dundee, stay overnight in a hotel and then back again, so for me, the cost would be well over £100. I'ts just not right. What also concerns me is if Scotland does get independence, will I need a passport to get into England?
MerlinScot
03-Feb-13, 22:06
What I do resent though is having to prove I am British if I want to apply for a bank account or even work in my own country, the very fact that I have never had a passport, and can prove all my addresses since 1963 seemingly counts for nothing. I refuse to pay £70 odd pounds for something I'm not going to use, or go to the expense of learning to drive just to get a full driving licence to use as ID.Lol cptdodger, what you are saying is quite funny and a bit old-fashioned. I never resented any government because they asked me for an I.D., even in the country where I was born.Anyway you should be able to get a free I.D. anyway, regardless of everything or.. Not? I've a passport with me of course but also a free ID I always had since I was 10.....You would also need a passport/I.D. To cross the border into England if Scotland become independent.
My partner, Golach, had to get a passport for work in 2011, as it was his first passport he had to have an interview which was done in Wick. I have just checked, and the nearest office to have an interview is Dundee ! So, added to the cost of the passport, I would have to pay for travel to Dundee, stay overnight in a hotel and then back again, so for me, the cost would be well over £100. I'ts just not right. What also concerns me is if Scotland does get independence, will I need a passport to get into England?
Good question CPT, a question I would like to see answered, will I need a passport to go to Newcastle, York or any other places on the line south?
Good question CPT, a question I would like to see answered, will I need a passport to go to Newcastle, York or any other places on the line south?I would be very surprised if we did. The Scottish Government and the YES campaign have both said that you will not need a passport to travel between Scotland and England. People often think this is to do with membership of the EU but it is more to do with the relationship with the Republic of Ireland and the Common Travel Area. The Common Travel Area allows free movements without passports between the UK, Republic of Ireland, jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man. It was updated in 2011 and there will be nothing to be gained from making a different arrangement with an independent Scotland.
I would be very surprised if we did. The Scottish Government and the YES campaign have both said that you will not need a passport to travel between Scotland and England. People often think this is to do with membership of the EU but it is more to do with the relationship with the Republic of Ireland and the Common Travel Area. The Common Travel Area allows free movements without passports between the UK, Republic of Ireland, jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man. It was updated in 2011 and there will be nothing to be gained from making a different arrangement with an independent Scotland.
But we will not be members of the EU will we Squidge, Eck canny get that right can he?
It isnt about membership of the EU though Golach. dont confuse the two issues. The Common Travel Area predates the EU and is separate from the EU rules. Whether Scotland is in or out the EU Remains to be decided but it appears so does whether the UK remains in the EU. Time will tell on both counts.
cptdodger
04-Feb-13, 10:28
This from the BBC News website (2012) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18364699
3) Will there be border checks?
Scotland Forward (http://www.scotlandforward.net/), a more recent SNP statement on how independence would be shaped, says there would be "no checks or delays" when crossing into England, adding that there would be "no customs posts or demand for passports".
"Earlier this year, (2012) UK Home Secretary Theresa May said (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17498681) an independent Scotland could face "some sort of border check" if Scotland joined Schengen, comments which the SNP described as "scaremongering".
So really, the SNP can say what it wants, however, if Scotland does gain independence - England will have every right to set up border controls, as it will then be a separate country.
This from the BBC News website (2012) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18364699
3) Will there be border checks?
Scotland Forward (http://www.scotlandforward.net/), a more recent SNP statement on how independence would be shaped, says there would be "no checks or delays" when crossing into England, adding that there would be "no customs posts or demand for passports".
"Earlier this year, (2012) UK Home Secretary Theresa May said (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17498681) an independent Scotland could face "some sort of border check" if Scotland joined Schengen, comments which the SNP described as "scaremongering".
So really, the SNP can say what it wants, however, if Scotland does gain independence - England will have every right to set up border controls, as it will then be a separate country.
I don't think that's scaremongering at all. Currently The UK has a big puddle between it and continental Europe making it difficult for anyone to just walk across our borders. If Scotland secedes from the Union then that's akin to leaving the back door wide open. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the remaining UK install border control measures.
MerlinScot
04-Feb-13, 11:38
I don't think that's scaremongering at all. Currently The UK has a big puddle between it and continental Europe making it difficult for anyone to just walk across our borders. If Scotland secedes from the Union then that's akin to leaving the back door wide open. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the remaining UK install border control measures.
It would also make sense too. All separate countries have border checks 'on their soils'.
If you arrive to any of the UK airports, even coming from a EU country, they check your passport/ID.
I like that the independentists want independence modelled on their convenience. If you want to be a separate country, there are pros and cons. Accept the cons as part of the bargain, as anything else in life.
I have to add I think it is monumentally arrogant of Salmond to think he has the say over whether England will control its borders after a successful secession vote. He has no say at all on how another country protects its borders.
macadamia
04-Feb-13, 11:48
Nearly. The fundamental independentenologists want a totally one sided no strings secession from the Union. They will have absolute say, over all previous courts, nations and entities such as the EU, as to which status they prefer, which of the despised old Westminster-driven tory-polluted advantages they want to hang on to, and all of this without reference to any other external party, all decisions remaining and abiding in the new state of Scotland. All other courts, nations and entities will have no further say in the matter, and, following the secession, will be expected to behave as partners in trade with all rUK organisations insulted by their non-stop barrage of belittlement and alienation.
A shaky foundation. Thank goodness common sense will prevail.
MerlinScot
04-Feb-13, 13:00
Macadamia, if there was a smilie applauding your post I would have used it!!
I don't agree with your last sentence though. Experience taught me that usually common sense doesn't prevail.
If there was such a thing, 'independentelogists' would be such a small number of nutcases that other people wouldn't even notice them....
MerlinScot
04-Feb-13, 13:03
I have to add I think it is monumentally arrogant of Salmond to think he has the say over whether England will control its borders after a successful secession vote. He has no say at all on how another country protects its borders.
It is also monumentally arrogant of him to presume that all his electors voted him only for the independence and will buy whatever he says.
I hope that if he doesn't get his way in 2014, he'll keep ruling the country without spending money and energy in propaganda.
If the UK wants to introduce border controls the will do so but given that we currently have a well established LACK of border controls between the UK and southern Ireland I am not sure wherd the certainty that there WILL be border controls comes from. The Westminster government have postured and suggested that there MAY have to be border controls, there COULD be passport checks and this MIGHT lead to delays. They have not given any ideas of their concrete plans. The SNP and YES Scotland say there will be NO. Passport checks. Where is the lack of clarity?
The SNP and YES Scotland say there will be NO. Passport checks. Where is the lack of clarity?
If Scotland leaves the UK, then Scotland will have no say on what the UK does with its borders.
cptdodger
04-Feb-13, 13:37
If the UK wants to introduce border controls the will do so but given that we currently have a well established LACK of border controls between the UK and southern Ireland I am not sure wherd the certainty that there WILL be border controls comes from. The Westminster government have postured and suggested that there MAY have to be border controls, there COULD be passport checks and this MIGHT lead to delays. They have not given any ideas of their concrete plans. The SNP and YES Scotland say there will be NO. Passport checks. Where is the lack of clarity?
And as Flynn points out - If Scotland gains independence from the rest of the UK - Scotland will have absolutely no say in what England decides to do in respect of border controls. And you are right, Westminster have not given any ideas of their concrete plans, they do'nt have to. Salmond and his cronies expect the country (Scotland) to vote yes to independence on the strength of, well we might do this or we might do that, this might happen or that might happen we are not quite sure yet. It has taken them how long to decide on the wording of the referendum ? And the question you should be asking is - why is there such a lack of clarity?
neilsermk1
04-Feb-13, 13:39
You could be right about the border control. Good thing is that its a two way door.
I don't think that's scaremongering at all. Currently The UK has a big puddle between it and continental Europe making it difficult for anyone to just walk across our borders. If Scotland secedes from the Union then that's akin to leaving the back door wide open. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the remaining UK install border control measures.
If the UK wants to introduce border controls the will do so but given that we currently have a well established LACK of border controls between the UK and southern Ireland I am not sure wherd the certainty that there WILL be border controls comes from. The Westminster government have postured and suggested that there MAY have to be border controls, there COULD be passport checks and this MIGHT lead to delays. They have not given any ideas of their concrete plans. The SNP and YES Scotland say there will be NO. Passport checks. Where is the lack of clarity?
If you hold your breath waiting for Westminster to start planning or even discussing post independence anything, you will go blue. They won't, they said they won't. Nothing could be clearer.
No you are right it wont but it will have a say on what Scotland does with ITS borders and the SNP will not be introducing border controls. It may be the Tories or the Labour party will put something different in their manifestos about introducing border checks but the SNP will not. Do you think all the voters who live in the far north of England and travel over yhe border to Scotland to work will want border controls and delays? They wont. You know, in the event of a YES vote that means Scotland will have democratically elected to be Independent of Westminster. many of you seem to believe that the UK government will treat this with disdain. That it will ride roughshod over this decision, making it as difficult as possible, ignoring the will of the majority of yhe voters, complicating matters, being obstructive and unpleasant as posdible when the decision has been made and cannot be changed. If the goverment is dictatorial and authoritarian, why would you want to be governed that way?
The SNP future:
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q672/Forumstufftoo/Forum bits/doomsdayborder_zpsfc658e36.jpg
I don't think that's scaremongering at all. Currently The UK has a big puddle between it and continental Europe making it difficult for anyone to just walk across our borders. If Scotland secedes from the Union then that's akin to leaving the back door wide open. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the remaining UK install border control measures.
Exactly Scotland is a wide open door to all types of criminal activities especially through the port of Cairnryan. There used to be a permanent Special Branch presence there, now no more, a permanent 4 man police was also present, alas no more, a Permanent HM Customs post, that too has gone. The present UKBA go to visit once in a while. The place is wide open!!!
. If the goverment is dictatorial and authoritarian, why would you want to be governed that way?
And our present first minister is none of these? Aye Right
M Swanson
04-Feb-13, 14:14
Exactly Scotland is a wide open door to all types of criminal activities especially through the port of Cairnryan. There used to be a permanent Special Branch prescience there, now no more, a permanent 4 man police was also present, alas no more, a Permanent HM Customs post, that too has gone. The present UKBA go to visit once in a while. The place is wide open!!!
Yes, the voice of reason again, Golach.
Take a look at this latest news report on 17 wanted, dangerous foreign criminals who are thought to be living in Britain! Our borders are so porous as to be unfit for purpose. My bet is, that soon, with the new, expected influx of EU citizens, this situation with regard to safe haven Britain will become even more disgraceful. IMO it's nothing short of criminal that so many hardline, dangerous fugitives can so easily come here and no thought is given to the safety of our own people. I wonder how many have lost their life, or been marred for life by this socialist experiment in social engineering?
If England vote for out of the EU and Salmond wins Independence and new membership with the EU, I think England will be mad not to set up a border between our two countries. Because guess where the world, his wife and criminal family will head for next?
Wanted: Police reveal list of 17 high-risk foreign criminals believed to be hiding in UK - Crime - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wanted-police-reveal-list-of-17-highrisk-foreign-criminals-believed-to-be-hiding-in-uk-8479255.html)
Yes, the voice of reason again, Golach.
Take a look at this latest news report on 17 wanted, dangerous foreign criminals who are thought to be living in Britain! Our borders are so porous as to be unfit for purpose. My bet is, that soon, with the new, expected influx of EU citizens, this situation with regard to safe haven Britain will become even more disgraceful. IMO it's nothing short of criminal that so many hardline, dangerous fugitives can so easily come here and no thought is given to the safety of our own people. I wonder how many have lost their life, or been marred for life by this socialist experiment in social engineering?
If England vote for out of the EU and Salmond wins Independence and new membership with the EU, I think England will be mad not to set up a border between our two countries. Because guess where the world, his wife and criminal family will head for next?
Wanted: Police reveal list of 17 high-risk foreign criminals believed to be hiding in UK - Crime - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wanted-police-reveal-list-of-17-highrisk-foreign-criminals-believed-to-be-hiding-in-uk-8479255.html)
Seventeen? That many? Oh no! Battendownthehatches,shutthebordersit'ssoawfulthat ourwonderfulcrimefreecountrynowhassomuchcrimesince weallowedforeignersin! STOP THE IMMIGRATION! We want to go back to zero crime!
Oh. Wait. :roll:
Crikey there are so many questions and so much misinformation around - I willl do my best to answer as best I can.
Nearly. The fundamental independentenologists want a totally one sided no strings secession from the Union. They will have absolute say, over all previous courts, nations and entities such as the EU, as to which status they prefer, which of the despised old Westminster-driven tory-polluted advantages they want to hang on to, and all of this without reference to any other external party, all decisions remaining and abiding in the new state of Scotland. All other courts, nations and entities will have no further say in the matter, and, following the secession, will be expected to behave as partners in trade with all rUK organisations insulted by their non-stop barrage of belittlement and alienation.
Throughout the whole process the SNP and YES Scotland campaign have talked about negotiation and consideration. The Green Party have said there will need to be negotiation, this has been repeated time and time again. The SNP as the Scottish Government has set they will set out a white paper which will give the plans for an Independent Scotland and will form the starting point for the negotiations. The Edinburgh Agreement was a result of negotiation. The referendum question is agreed as a result of advice and recommendation from the Electoral Commission. Dictatorial and authoritarian Golach may think the Scottish Parliament is but you know what....At least it is a government that was elected not cobbled together from two parties that DIDNT win an election and if it was that way then they would not have accepted the Electoral Commission's findings on the referendum question.
It is also monumentally arrogant of him to presume that all his electors voted him only for the independence and will buy whatever he says.
The SNP were elected to form a majority government and made no secret of the fact that they would be holding a referendum. Monumental arrogance to keep an election commitment? The SNP was voted to run the country and they have done that alongside making preparations for Independence - if that hadnt been the case then Scotland wouldnt be heading out of recession for example. There is no sense that people will buy anything without question and I am surprised that you have that opinion if you have attended YES Scotland meetings - the whole emphasis is on getting out to speak to people precisely because there is a recognition that people will NOT just buy whatever they are told. At the risk of causing one or two people to froth at the mouth by mentioning Women for Independence, the whole point is to listen to other women and see what their concerns are.
If you hold your breath waiting for Westminster to start planning or even discussing post independence anything, you will go blue. They won't, they said they won't. Nothing could be clearer.
Where are there signs that anyone is holding their breath? There have been calls for Westminster to enter into discussions because the Electoral Commission made that recommendation. The white paper will be published, there are working parties and reports being done and information and plans appearing frequently. There has been a working party set up to look at Welfare in an Independent Scotland. There are groups looking at the content of a Constitution, of the sort of democratic system an Independent Scotland could implement, on taxation, on the EU membership issue, on renewable energy, on business growth and so on and so on.
It has taken them how long to decide on the wording of the referendum ? The question took so long to decide because the Electoral Commissions report needed to be received. Once the report was recieved the question was agreed within I think half an hour of the report being made public... a long time indeed
Exactly Scotland is a wide open door to all types of criminal activities especially through the port of Cairnryan. There used to be a permanent Special Branch presence there, now no more, a permanent 4 man police was also present, alas no more, a Permanent HM Customs post, that too has gone. The present UKBA go to visit once in a while. The place is wide open!!! Immigration and customs are devolved issues as well as woefully underresourced and pared to the bone with private companies involved making money from the taxpayer. Maybe something an Independent Scotland could do better perhaps Golach?
If England vote for out of the EU and Salmond wins Independence and new membership with the EU, I think England will be mad not to set up a border between our two countries. Because guess where the world, his wife and criminal family will head for next?
Maybe the Irish Republic to take advantage of the Common Travel Area?
Where are there signs that anyone is holding their breath? There have been calls for Westminster to enter into discussions because the Electoral Commission made that recommendation. The white paper will be published, there are working parties and reports being done and information and plans appearing frequently. There has been a working party set up to look at Welfare in an Independent Scotland. There are groups looking at the content of a Constitution, of the sort of democratic system an Independent Scotland could implement, on taxation, on the EU membership issue, on renewable energy, on business growth and so on and so on.
Who is paying for all this? :eek: Perhaps the yes mob ought to concentrate on getting enough support to make it even vaguely like a contest. Cart before horse springs to mind.
Some of them are voluntarily commissioned groups, some of them have the issues of constitutional and electoral reform as part of their remit, some of them are formed by businessmen and others and some are MSPs and politicians paid by their parties to carry out this sort of work. The YesScotland campaign receive donations and so on and so on. How can it be putting the cart before the horse. There WILL be a referendum - the party elected to govern were elected with this commitment in their manifesto and so they have to ensure that people are informed surely. You cant shout about uncertainty and then complain when the work is done to provide you with information on which you can make your mind up. Well, lol you Can but it makes no sense to do so at all.
M Swanson
04-Feb-13, 15:16
Seventeen? That many? Oh no! Battendownthehatches,shutthebordersit'ssoawfulthat ourwonderfulcrimefreecountrynowhassomuchcrimesince weallowedforeignersin! STOP THE IMMIGRATION! We want to go back to zero crime!
Oh. Wait. :roll:
Oh! No, Flynn, there's many, many more than that, as well you know! ;) How about the 11,000 foreign national criminals who are serving sentences in our prisons, costing us £450 MILLION a year? For each villain, there will be one, if not more, victims. I know you don't care about Britons, but trust me, I, and many more like me do! Just be grateful, that at the moment, you, or yours haven't been a victim of one of the seventeen, who are wanted in their own country for murder, rape and other serious crimes. Maybe then, you would place human beings above your vile ideology! Open your mind and let a bit of fresh air in Flynn! :D
M Swanson
04-Feb-13, 15:20
http://forum.caithness.org/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by M Swanson http://forum.caithness.org/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?p=1005402#post1005402)
If England vote for out of the EU and Salmond wins Independence and new membership with the EU, I think England will be mad not to set up a border between our two countries. Because guess where the world, his wife and criminal family will head for next?
Squidge said:- Maybe the Irish Republic to take advantage of the Common Travel Area?
Yeap! Some will probably take this route, but I would also think that Scotland would be a popular choice too. And there's nowt you Scots will be able to do about that. You will 'really,' come to understand the burden in much the same way as England has for over a decade.
Go out of the EU and you can kiss your cheap wine goodbye.
Crikey there are so many questions and so much misinformation around - I willl do my best to answer as best I can.
Immigration and customs are devolved issues as well as woefully underresourced and pared to the bone with private companies involved making money from the taxpayer. Maybe something an Independent Scotland could do better perhaps Golach?
Too many maybe's in your answers Squidge, sorry if I dont believe any of them.
Lol Golach, once again I am not asking you to believe me but consider the options ... Think about the stuff that is important to YOU and make your decisions based on that. I dont care which way you vote but I do care that you dont base that decision on misinformation and untruths based on nothing but fresh air and farts. The lack of immigration control, border agency presence or special branch at the location you mentioned is nothing to do with the Scottish Government. It is to do with decisions made in Westminster.
Oh! No, Flynn, there's many, many more than that, as well you know! ;) How about the 11,000 foreign national criminals who are serving sentences in our prisons, costing us £450 MILLION a year? For each villain, there will be one, if not more, victims. I know you don't care about Britons, but trust me, I, and many more like me do! Just be grateful, that at the moment, you, or yours haven't been a victim of one of the seventeen, who are wanted in their own country for murder, rape and other serious crimes. Maybe then, you would place human beings above your vile ideology! Open your mind and let a bit of fresh air in Flynn! :D
Gosh I'll try to be careful, after all there were never any rapists, murderers or serious criminals in Britain before the terrible seventeen turned up. :roll:
M Swanson
04-Feb-13, 18:28
And here we have it folks. Brother Flynn not even trying to pretend that he cares about 11,000 foreign villains, who have committed crimes against our people. Nor, in these austere times, how much it costs taxpayers to support them in a 'soft' prison. All the thousands of victims of these criminals are just collateral damage and really quite acceptable because we have always had our own underclass of murderers, rapists and other serious offenders, anyway, so why worry about a few more thousand who are imported. Is there anyone out there, who really cannot see why Britain has gone into such decline? Flynn and his ilk are as transparent as they are destructive, imo! What say you? :roll:
And here we have it folks. Brother Flynn not even trying to pretend that he cares about 11,000 foreign villains, who have committed crimes against our people. Nor, in these austere times, how much it costs taxpayers to support them in a 'soft' prison. All the thousands of victims of these criminals are just collateral damage and really quite acceptable because we have always had our own underclass of murderers, rapists and other serious offenders, anyway, so why worry about a few more thousand who are imported. Is there anyone out there, who really cannot see why Britain has gone into such decline? Flynn and his ilk are as transparent as they are destructive, imo! What say you? :roll:
I said no such thing. Do not presume to put words in my mouth. I resent that. Especially when it comes from a mealy-mouthed, right-wing, bigot.
The lack of immigration control, border agency presence or special branch at the location you mentioned is nothing to do with the Scottish Government. It is to do with decisions made in Westminster.
Squidge, I never said that Eck and his cronies had anything to do with the gaping hole at Cairnryan, but if they get in, will they do anything about it? I don't think so, why do i think this? because Scotland has no money to support border guards of any kind.
Special Branch, Immigrations & Customs all come under the umbrella of the UKBA now, and they are toiling at the present time.
M Swanson
04-Feb-13, 20:30
I said no such thing. Do not presume to put words in my mouth. I resent that. Especially when it comes from a mealy-mouthed, right-wing, bigot.
Ay? You respond to my post about 11,017 foreign prisoners in our country, without making a single comment about that, but do mention our home-bred criminals, and you think that's the best way of showing folks how much you 'care' about this present, appalling situation? I thought you were brighter than that, but obviously not! Forget the childish name-calling Flynn, it does you no justice and believe me, it cuts no ice with me! :cool:
You are right Golach the UKBA are toiling, as are DWP, HMRC, the police because of Westminsters obsession with private companies doing the work that the Public Agencies should be doing. They waste money on poor quality services by private companies who fail to do the type of quality, accurate work which you were involved in when working for Customs and Excise. If Scotland decides on Independence then we will have to manage our ports and coastline. We will have to have our own agencies to do that, the decisions about how we manage that will be made in Scotland by a parliament elected by the majority of The Scottish electorate.
secrets in symmetry
05-Feb-13, 00:23
It is a beautiful region. Here's a video of the area, made on a bike ride. http://s1353.photobucket.com/albums/q672/Forumstufftoo/?action=view¤t=LlangeithoLoopMusic_zps9d7546ed.mp4Excelle nt! It looks idyllic. :cool:
George Brims
05-Feb-13, 22:07
There's also Japan, which has everything - but the culture change would be enormous, I'd have to learn the language from scratch, and there aren't any curry shops or Mexicans or decent Italians....
Oh true, but what about the sushi? That would be worth the move.
Excellent! It looks idyllic. :cool:
It is. That was filmed during rush hour.
Ay? You respond to my post about 11,017 foreign prisoners in our country, without making a single comment about that, but do mention our home-bred criminals, and you think that's the best way of showing folks how much you 'care' about this present, appalling situation? I thought you were brighter than that, but obviously not! Forget the childish name-calling Flynn, it does you no justice and believe me, it cuts no ice with me! :cool:
Because it isn't worth commenting on. It's just Daily Mail scaremongering drivel.
Here: http://www.iiicitadel.com/index.html
"DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty — the Rifle — are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.
Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."
I think I know who it would be suitable for! ;)
secrets in symmetry
08-Feb-13, 00:19
Here: http://www.iiicitadel.com/index.html
"DESCRIPTION: The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty — the Rifle — are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall.
Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."
I think I know who it would be suitable for! ;)
Who did you have in mind? I can think of a few on this forum who would be totally at home there!
secrets in symmetry
08-Feb-13, 00:38
It is. That was filmed during rush hour.:cool:
I talk to a number of scientists in Wales - their assembly is much more clued up about science than the Eckerment. It's a smaller country than Scotland, but its science policy is more ambitious than ours.
I also talk to a number of scientists in Ireland. Many of them have more or less given up...
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