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Rip Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf, a great soldier and a good American.
Rip Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf, a great soldier and a good American.You forgot to mention 'mass murderer'.
You forgot to mention 'mass murderer'.
You can say that about any successful soldier. I guess it depends which side you are on. Which side were you on?
You forgot to mention 'mass murderer'.He helped remove a tyrant from Kuwait, a tyrant that killed thousands of his own people. What would you have done? Gone and told Saddam he's a very naughty boy and to go home? :-/ The world is a safer place thanks to people like Stormin' Norman, not the hand-wringers who aren't fit to lace his boots.
Evil will continue as long as good men sit back and do nothing.
RIP Norman
He helped remove a tyrant from Kuwait
Slaughtering untold numbers of innocent civilians in his path.
, a tyrant that killed thousands of his own people.
This will be the tyrant that was a friend of Norman's country's (and our's) just before that, and was a friend throughout the murdering of his own people.
The world is a safer place thanks to people like Stormin' Norman,
It's fantastic isn't it - terrorism was eradicated in the 1990s was it ?!
Buffoon.
As long as there are soldiers willing to put their lives on the line, terrorism will never be allowed to have a free reign. I was never brave enough to join the armed forces and so admire those who do, even if it means fighting those who were once considered 'friends'. Unfortunately there will always be arses like you, keyboard politicians that know all the answers only with the benefit of hindsight. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Desert Storm, it's still soldiers past and present that allow us to have the freedoms we do. So you can to take the moral highground, it's a lonely place.
I'm outta here.
M Swanson
29-Dec-12, 10:12
Bravo Jox. I'd like to rep you, but I have to spread it! You certainly hit the nail on the head with this post.
RIP Norman and all the other brave soldiers who have given their life for their country!
Unfortunately there will always be arses like you, It's always such an admirable debating skill - resorting to swearing when you've nothing else to say.
billmoseley
29-Dec-12, 11:22
It's always such an admirable debating skill - resorting to swearing when you've nothing else to say.
And calling an excellent soldier a mass murderer is a great debating skill. At what point did he commit mass murder? As i remember the war was fought and won with very few deaths. The only thing that was wrong was that we weren't allowed to carry on and finish the job there and then. It would have saved many more lives. Remember Slicky we didn't ask for the war we just responded and in war people die.
And calling an excellent soldier a mass murderer is a great debating skill. At what point did he commit mass murder? As i remember the war was fought and won with very few deaths. The only thing that was wrong was that we weren't allowed to carry on and finish the job there and then. It would have saved many more lives. Remember Slicky we didn't ask for the war we just responded and in war people die. This 'war' you talk about. Can you enlighten us with date of the Declaration of War and the wording of the Proclamation ?
And calling an excellent soldier a mass murderer is a great debating skill. At what point did he commit mass murder? As i remember the war was fought and won with very few deaths. The only thing that was wrong was that we weren't allowed to carry on and finish the job there and then. It would have saved many more lives. Remember Slicky we didn't ask for the war we just responded and in war people die.
Billmoseley am in full agreement with you and Jox's , please stop feeding our resident Troll
Billmoseley am in full agreement with you and Jox's , please stop feeding our resident TrollWhy is it so uncomfortable for you to find there are people with broader minded opinions other than you and the average Sun reader? Starting a thread by asking people to fondly remember a war-mongerer is hardly neutral is it?
I have a great deal of respect for Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf. He was a soldier's soldier, a great leader and fine strategist.
What critics like Slickly conveniently forget is that soldiers carry out the orders of the democratically elected politicians who send them to do our dirty work.
In the case of Gulf War One the coalition forces were assembled to retake Kuwait after the Iraqi invasion. Once this was done the coalition forces could have gone on to take Bagdad and secure Iraq. However there wasn't a politician who had the balls to make a decision; Schwarzkopf decided to cease hostilities and end the war.
Critics will always use any excuse to cite coalition collateral damage to the Iraqis but conveniently ignore the barbarity the Iraqis perpetuated upon the Kuwaitis.
This 'war' you talk about. Can you enlighten us with date of the Declaration of War and the wording of the Proclamation ?
It would be naive to think that going to war was as easy as making a proclamation.
On 29 Nov 1990 the UN Security Council set a dead line for Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait before 15 Jan 1991 promulgated with its Resolution 678.
On 12 Jan 1991 the US Congress passed a joint resolution authorising the use of military force to drive the Iraqi military out of Kuwait.
It was a decision by our democratically elected government to join with the coalition and contribute to the freeing of Kuwait.
bluemafia
29-Dec-12, 14:32
To Slickly - GET A LIFE AND COME BACK TO THE REAL WORLD!
It would be naive to think that going to war was as easy as making a proclamation.On 29 Nov 1990 the UN Security Council set a dead line for Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait before 15 Jan 1991 promulgated with its Resolution 678.On 12 Jan 1991 the US Congress passed a joint resolution authorising the use of military force to drive the Iraqi military out of Kuwait.It was a decision by our democratically elected government to join with the coalition and contribute to the freeing of Kuwait.Ah, I see. You had to spend an hour or so searching the Internet for something remotely connected to the point to cut and paste.It would have been simpler just to have posted "we weren't at war."
billmoseley
29-Dec-12, 18:00
Ah, I see. You had to spend an hour or so searching the Internet for something remotely connected to the point to cut and paste.It would have been simpler just to have posted "we weren't at war."
war defined.
A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
Leaving aside the legitimacy of the war does the fact that he won it really make him a great General?
With the amount of firepower at his disposal I reckon even Captain Mainwaring could have won it. Now, if he had won it against the odds then maybe you could call him a great General.
billmoseley
29-Dec-12, 18:25
Leaving aside the legitimacy of the war does the fact that he won it really make him a great General?
With the amount of firepower at his disposal I reckon even Captain Mainwaring could have won it. Now, if he had won it against the odds then maybe you could call him a great General.
if you look at the size of the iraq army at the time of the 1st gulf war it was a formidable foe and by no means a push over. the air force had some of the best combat aircraft. on paper it was an even match but great leadership made it look easy but i ashore you it wasn't.
Why do you feed Slickly's ego by responding to his inanities?? He's just getting off on it!!!
if you look at the size of the iraq army at the time of the 1st gulf war it was a formidable foe and by no means a push over. the air force had some of the best combat aircraft. on paper it was an even match but great leadership made it look easy but i ashore you it wasn't.
The Coalition forces dominated the air with their technological advantages. Coalition forces had the significant advantage of being able to operate under the protection of air supremacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_supremacy) that had been achieved by their air forces before the start of the main ground offensive. Coalition forces also had two key technological advantages:
The Coalition main battle tanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_battle_tank), such as the U.S. M1 Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams), British Challenger 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_1), and Kuwaiti M-84 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84)AB were vastly superior to the Chinese Type 69 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_69/79) and domestically built T-72 tanks used by the Iraqis, with crews better trained and armored doctrine better developed.
The use of GPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) made it possible for Coalition forces to navigate without reference to roads or other fixed landmarks. This, along with aerial reconnaissance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance), allowed them to fight a battle of maneuver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuver_warfare) rather than a battle of encounter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decisive_Battle): they knew where they were and where the enemy was, so they could attack a specific target rather than searching on the ground for enemy forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Ground_campaign
Doesn't sound like an even fight to me....
Why do you feed Slickly's ego by responding to his inanities?? He's just getting off on it!!!
Of course you're right Joefitz.
I doubt Slickly or Alrock were mature enough to understand the Iraqi threat or what else was happening at the time.
I won't be feeding the trolls.
billmoseley
29-Dec-12, 18:57
Doesn't sound like an even fight to me....
sounds like fantastic battle tactics to me. and wikipedia come since when did they know anything about war.
Of course you're right Joefitz.
I doubt Slickly or Alrock were mature enough to understand the Iraqi threat or what else was happening at the time.
I won't be feeding the trolls.
I'm not expressing an opinion on the legitimacy of the war, just whether or not he can truly be considered as great.
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