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piratelassie
27-May-12, 01:41
When olympic football is being played at Hampden, our national stadium, I am told our national flag, the Saltire will [NOT BE ALLOWED] to be flown. I think this is wrong, wnat do you think?
I am stunned and speechless......but not surprised when it is being run by the likes of Tory Coe!!!
C3..............[disgust][disgust]
Just another SNP Msp trying to get his name in the paper, Scotland is not taking part in the Olympics, the Scots Athletes are competing for Team GB, so Olympic Committee rules apply.
I think it will show people that we are being dictated to yet again, the Saltire should be flown each and every day at Hampden, well away from the competing nations flags.
Must we be trodden down once again?
C3.................[disgust][disgust]
billmoseley
27-May-12, 11:49
As you know i was born in england yet i find this terrible. i say fly the flag with pride and sod what anybody think
equusdriving
27-May-12, 20:37
I think it will show people that we are being dictated to yet again, the Saltire should be flown each and every day at Hampden, well away from the competing nations flags.
Must we be trodden down once again?
C3.................[disgust][disgust]
Who is being dictated to and down trodden by who?
The same rules apply to the other national flags within the UK, meaning that the St George’s Cross as well as Welsh and Northern Irish flags cannot be flown at events staged there either.
I dont think we are being downtrodden but i think all the parts of the UK should be able to fly their own flag in addition to the Union Jack. Its just Daft. If they are playing at SCOTLANDs national stadium, ENGLAND's national stadium or WALES's national stadium, or NORTHERN IRELAND's National Stadium then they should expect them to fly the flag of their own nation.
equusdriving
27-May-12, 21:11
I dont think we are being downtrodden but i think all the parts of the UK should be able to fly their own flag in addition to the Union Jack. Its just Daft. If they are playing at SCOTLANDs national stadium, ENGLAND's national stadium or WALES's national stadium, or NORTHERN IRELAND's National Stadium then they should expect them to fly the flag of their own nation.
Yes I agree totally
John Little
27-May-12, 21:13
Squidge always hath store of good sense.
I dont think we are being downtrodden but i think all the parts of the UK should be able to fly their own flag in addition to the Union Jack. Its just Daft. If they are playing at SCOTLANDs national stadium, ENGLAND's national stadium or WALES's national stadium, or NORTHERN IRELAND's National Stadium then they should expect them to fly the flag of their own nation.
See if you were allowed to display both then fine. The problem is you're only allowed to fly the Union Jack. They're also ignoring the fact that Hampden has always flown the Saltire. This (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B005HP1UHK/) suddenly feels like less of a joke.
I wonder if national anthems are similarly banned.
John Little
28-May-12, 08:40
Dare one point out that the Saltire is in the Union Jack?
Dare one point out that the Saltire is in the Union Jack?
The colours of the Union Jack are also the colours of the Stars and Stripes and the French flag. There are similarities, but all represent different things.
Just because something has been copied and kludged on to another that doesn't mean they represent the same things. Getting back to the Union Jack, Wales isn't represented and the Saltire is topped by St George's Cross as if to signify domination. Perhaps we could fly a variation with the Saltire on top.
John Little
28-May-12, 09:01
LOL!
So the Saltire is not under the St George Cross because it signifies that Scotland is the bedrock under pinning the Union?
Question of interpretations here and what one wishes to see.
It's the Saltire right enough. The flag was the outcome of a competition and it's those colours because of what it represents- ie Scotland.
As to Wales - it should be there and sometimes is in the form of a red dragon- but it should be there all the time imho. If any nation has a grievance about the flag then it's Wales.
LOL!
So the Saltire is not under the St George Cross because it signifies that Scotland is the bedrock under pinning the Union?
Question of interpretations here and what one wishes to see.
It's the Saltire right enough. The flag was the outcome of a competition and it's those colours because of what it represents- ie Scotland.
As to Wales - it should be there and sometimes is in the form of a red dragon- but it should be there all the time imho. If any nation has a grievance about the flag then it's Wales.
It is a matter of interpretation but there are more positive connotations with being on top than on the bottom. And more negative connotations with being on the bottom than on top. It's not as if the flag symbolises a repressive empire or anything. The mere fact they have to ban the flying of other national flags shows that most people don't identify with the Union Jack.
Dare one point out that the Saltire is in the Union Jack?
John, the Union Flag is only called a "Jack" when flown on a ship.
Getting back to the Union Jack, Wales isn't represented and the Saltire is topped by St George's Cross as if to signify domination. Perhaps we could fly a variation with the Saltire on top.
The reason Wales is not represented on the Union Flag is that Wales was Principality not a kingdom
John Little
28-May-12, 09:53
http://www.totalpolitics.com/history/316507/how-the-union-jack-became-our-national-standard.thtml
John Little
28-May-12, 09:59
You may of course have preferred one of the other designs- but King Jack is long dead so cannot be argued with save through a medium...
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad118/johnlittle21/flag.jpg
http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Symbols/UnionJack.aspx
I will stand by my Royal Naval training, its the Union Flag :)
The reason Wales is not represented on the Union Flag is that Wales was Principality not a kingdom
And who wants a bliddy great dragon in the middle of their nice flag? :lol:
John Little
28-May-12, 10:13
And who wants a bliddy great dragon in the middle of their nice flag? :lol:
Looks cool to me...
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad118/johnlittle21/Union_Flag_of_UK_with_Wales.png
I don't think nationalism and flag-flaunting have much of a place in Olympian ideals.
John Little
28-May-12, 13:33
I thought that was what it was all about...
equusdriving
28-May-12, 14:08
See if you were allowed to display both then fine. The problem is you're only allowed to fly the Union Jack. They're also ignoring the fact that Hampden has always flown the Saltire. This (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B005HP1UHK/) suddenly feels like less of a joke.
I wonder if national anthems are similarly banned.
as are the other home nations flags always normally flown at their national stadiums but likewise will not be during Olympic events. And of course national anthems are not banned, and when any Scottish athletes win events God save the Queen will be proudly played to honour them, as of course that is United Kingdoms National anthem and as all the home nations are representing team GB rightly so, but I have a funny feeling that you are working on a different agenda:D
as are the other home nations flags always normally flown at their national stadiums but likewise will not be during Olympic events. And of course national anthems are not banned, and when any Scottish athletes win events God save the Queen will be proudly played to honour them, as of course that is United Kingdoms National anthem and as all the home nations are representing team GB rightly so, but I have a funny feeling that you are working on a different agenda:D
Nice anthem just a shame about those anti-Scottish verses. I have the distinct impression Scottish athletes will be Scottish if they lose and British if they win.
equusdriving
28-May-12, 15:12
Nice anthem just a shame about those anti-Scottish verses. I have the distinct impression Scottish athletes will be Scottish if they lose and British if they win.
oh is that the verses not used since soon after 1745 and soon followed by Jacobite beliefs demonstrated in an alternative verse used during the same period:
God bless the prince, I pray,
God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Stuart) I mean;
That Scotland we may seeFreed from vile Presbyt'ry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterianism),
Both George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_II_of_Great_Britain) and his Feckie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick,_Prince_of_Wales),Ever so, Amen.
and I take it that at the London Olympics you would like Flower of Scotland played, which while is one of my favourite songs, is about the victory of the Scots, led by Robert the Bruce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I_of_Scotland), over England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England)'s Edward II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_II) at the Battle of Bannockburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bannockburn) in 1314. cant see that happening can you? and what are you referring to when you say "I have the distinct impression Scottish athletes will be Scottish if they lose and British if they win"
Tesco's have a good deal on oil at the minute in case you want to cook that massive chip you have on your shoulder:lol:
....Tesco's have a good deal on oil at the minute....
Good to know... Chip pan could do with an oil change, getting a bit black now....
Do you know when they are open?
Do you know when they are open?
:lol::lol:.....No !!!!
C3............:roll:
The British/Scottish athlete thing does actually happen. Its along the same lines as the suggestion that Scots who dont vote for the England football team are racist! It annoys ME and I'm english!!!!
John Little
30-May-12, 15:11
Well an interesting thing has happened here. Around the corner from me flies the Saltire. Day in, day out the Scottish flag flies on a pole, rain or shine and come what may.
Today the Union Jaques flies instead.
What can this mean?
Well an interesting thing has happened here. Around the corner from me flies the Saltire. Day in, day out the Scottish flag flies on a pole, rain or shine and come what may.
Today the Union Jaques flies instead.
What can this mean?
Most likely the owner of the flag has been carted off to a re-education centre.
John Little
30-May-12, 15:33
Most likely the owner of the flag has been carted off to a re-education centre.
You mean the Barton Inn? :eek:
That would be too cruel...
http://www.barton-inn.co.uk/Home.html
George Brims
30-May-12, 21:26
The reason Wales is not represented on the Union Flag is that Wales was Principality not a kingdom
Well if we're going to get into that sort of thing (and to be honest I can't resist), I will quote the Encyclopedia Britannica: "Constitutionally, England does not exist". Yes folks, England is not a country, it's just an area within the United Kingdom. Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland, even before the more recent parliaments/assemblies, all had powers devolved from the Westminster government, but England doesn't. I suspect that section of the Britannica was written by a Scot.
George Brims
30-May-12, 21:28
I don't think nationalism and flag-flaunting have much of a place in Olympian ideals.
Clearly you have never watched the Olympics on American TV. The most grating example I can remember was when the US team won the men's 4X200 relay, and we saw the guys celebrate and wave to the crowd and drape themselves in flags and all that. Then we got some adverts. Then they told us which teams came in second and third.
secrets in symmetry
30-May-12, 21:31
You mean the Barton Inn? :eek:
That would be too cruel...
http://www.barton-inn.co.uk/Home.htmlThe Barton Inn is for sale (http://www.barton-inn.co.uk/The_Barton_-_For_Sale.html)
Have you ever fancied owning your own boozer?
Why is its name upside down? Is it owned by an Australian with Scottish roots?
The British/Scottish athlete thing does actually happen. Its along the same lines as the suggestion that Scots who dont vote for the England football team are racist! It annoys ME and I'm english!!!!
Is there a football team election?
John Little
30-May-12, 21:48
The Barton Inn is for sale (http://www.barton-inn.co.uk/The_Barton_-_For_Sale.html)
Have you ever fancied owning your own boozer?
Why is its name upside down? Is it owned by an Australian with Scottish roots?
Well it's sort of for sale but when I asked last week they were evasive about it - I think they are not quite sure.
The Barton Inn is a most unusual place with footprints on the ceiling and stranger things going on. Did you watch any of their movies?
It's more than just a boozer. It is, I think, the most unusual pub I have ever come across.
You could do worse- the beer's good.
The pub up the road is owned by a Scot - but his food is far superior.
secrets in symmetry
30-May-12, 22:03
I've just watched one of their movies. It looks like my kind of pub!
A friend lives nearby. I fancy dropping in for a pint and a walk on the ceiling next time I'm in the area - which could be this summer. :cool:
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