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frank ward
20-Nov-06, 10:18
Eden Springs is an Israeli company which pillages the water resources of the Golan Heights, depleting this occupied land of a precious natural resource. Any Israeli company involved in such activities should not be rewarded with contracts by representatives of the Scottish people. By ending all Eden Springs’ contracts, we want the Scottish Parliament to send a message to the world that Scottish people do not condone Israel’s illegal occupation and endless violations of international law.
1. Please sign the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign's e-petition to the Scottish Parliament
on the website at http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_backgroundinfo.asp?PetitionID=133
which calls "the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive and individual MSPs to cancel all contract(s) they have with Eden Springs water company."
In what way do they pillage??
Eden Springs? Where can I get shares?
Pillage = rob, sack, spoil, despoil, rape, rapine, depredation, spoliation, plunder ( dictionaries are readily available on line should any words present difficulty).
Aside from a very controversial, and in my opinion, incorrect foreign policy on behalf of Isreal ( Oh, right...they don't consider Golan, gaza or anyother palistinian territories to be anything more or less than theirs, so it wouldn't come under foreign policy, would it?), their past record on taking what they want and/or consider they need speaks for itself.
Water is very important in some countries. In Portugal large cities (eg: Oporto) are regulary held hostage by the Spanish who do not respect international water treaties when droughts hit. Where rivers and springs begin are accidents of nature and where borders lies are accidents of politics. The water has to be respected as a basic life need/force, not to be spoiled for the profit of one who does not have that respect.
By the way, there are many fruit and veg that you can refuse to buy to express your discontent with Isreal's politics. Just check the label before you pay.
Pillage = rob, sack, spoil, despoil, rape, rapine, depredation, spoliation, plunder ( dictionaries are readily available on line should any words present difficulty).
I didn’t ask for a definition of the word, I asked for examples of how they pillage. You may not agree with Israeli policy, doesn’t mean you are right.
Haven't they pillaged land away from other countries over and above what has been set out in UN resolutions?:confused
I thought they making sure the sea was too far away to be pushed into!
I suppose I should check my conscience to see if I should be sympathetic to people who hi-jacked British Children and threatened to slaughter them if they didn't get their own way!
Anybody had a nice chat with Leila Khaled lately? She still flies in and out of London occasionally I hear but I believe she's not after publicity these days.
I wonder exactly how much of the products listed Mr F Ward has in his cupboards at home or companies he patronises?.........
I never hear these "pinkos" on about freedom for Tibet - now I wonder if the Dali Lama turned to violence as a means of persuation that would change?
Dreadnought
20-Nov-06, 17:47
I suppose I should check my conscience to see if I should be sympathetic to people who hi-jacked British Children and threatened to slaughter them if they didn't get their own way!
No, much better to be sympathetic to a nation founded through terror tactics (see the Stern Gang or Lehi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group))), who regularly order their military to massacre civilians and shoot children.
I can recognise partisan Political Posturing from 200 miles away. This thread is not about water resources or the effects on poor suffering people.
It is nothing more than an attempt by a political hack to gain publicity for a breakaway Party with a pretence at concern for others. These nonentities in the Scottish Parliament are simply trying to pretend they are political heavyweights prior to the forthcoming elections.
This is nothing more than the lowest form of Electioneering in the hope of marshalling some troops, any troops, to the ballot box.
The tactics are about as subtle as bashing an old lady with a brick to get her attention.
This is just a vehicle being used by one of the factions of a defunct party to grab the limelight and nothing more!
As such it is deserving of no sympathy from me and as far as I am concerned from anybody else.
When I show compassion for the needy I do not do so because it is politically convenient in the hope it will further my political ambitions.
Scotsboy, you won’t hear the slightest squeak about Tibet or Nepal or the similar problems being spread into the northern provinces of India, it would mean inconveniently drawing attention to the wrong “Imperialists” in the World. You have to pick the objects of your compassion carefully. If you can’t blame the West and more particularly America then who cares, let them suffer.
And, whatever you do, don't mention Sudan, who cares about a few million displaced people and an unknown number of deaths. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3496731.stm
And don't mention who is blocking the UN from taking any meaningful action, it's not politically advantageous.
Such caring people. Roll up, roll up, get your RPG here, all in the interests of equality you understand. I wish somebody would put the umbrella up, the Crocodile Tears are drowning me!
frank ward
21-Nov-06, 22:22
Keep it up Jaws etc., you ignorant numpties, the longer this stays on the front page the better.
Please sign the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign's e-petition to the Scottish Parliament
on the website at http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...PetitionID=133
Keep it up Jaws etc., you ignorant numpties, the longer this stays on the front page the better.
Please sign the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign's e-petition to the Scottish Parliament
on the website at http://epetitions.scottish.parliamen...PetitionID=133
I quote "you ignorant numpties".
I remember your equally aggressive and politically motivated approach to the maternity campaign at one of the meetings in Thurso. In such a highly passionate campaign affecting so many local people very deeply, your approach was to be rude and aggressive... as a heavily pregnant woman at the time; I also took the opportunity to tell you so, as in all honesty you made my blood boil. Maintaining an attitude like this will win you and your campaign little support, Mr Ward. The Org is not here to serve as a portal for the political aims and aspirations of you or any other politician. [evil]
I don't mind it being on the front page. The more exposure you get the more people will be able to see your methods and your ultimate aims.
Far be it from me to try and prevent you from doing that, indeed I will assist you all I can.
You and the other fellow travellers remind me of two famous sayings one by Harold Wilson and the other by the Duke of Wellington :-
Wilson when he was Prime Minister and his Government had been going through a period of bad publicity pointed out that, “A week is a long time in Politics.” If a week is a long time, twenty five years is an eternity which means most people need their memories jogging.
Wellington, before the Battle of Waterloo was asked about the troops he was leading. He commented, “I don’t know what they do to the enemy, but by God they frighten me!”
I have no idea what name you and your associates are using at the present time but a little background search into the origins of previous versions proves interesting as the below article explains.
I have just taken an extract by the rest is there for anybody to read in full. Googling some of the names and people proves even more enlightening as to your parties origins and aims.
“A damning report by the Labour Party's National Organiser Reg Underhill, the first major inquiry into Militant, was buried by the Left-wing majority on Labour's National Executive Committee in 1975. Another inquiry, in 1976, was similarly ignored. A second Underhill report in January 1980, which fuelled a blaze of publicity in the press, was also rendered ineffective by the Left on the NEC. Grant, who claimed that Underhill had been duped by CIA "forgeries", denied charges of entryism and continued to insist that Militant supporters were all "loyal members" of the Labour Party.
Even after Grant and his "editorial board" were expelled from the party under Michael Foot in 1983, Militant continued its entryist activities until 1985 when Neil Kinnock, supported by a now moderate NEC, launched a campaign against the "party within a party". This led to further waves of expulsions and paved the way for Labour's recovery in the 1990s.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/27/db2702.xml
This was the period in the run up the “Thatcher’s Britain” in the 1980s when the Labour Party was dealt with by the voters in the same way the current Conservatives have been treated.
The voters took one look at the direction Militant (An earlier name for your group before it broke into the current multitude of factions) and headed as far in the opposite direction as possible. Thatcher must have thought all her birthdays had come at once, she didn’t have to win voters over, she just had to wait for the Militant Tendency section of the Labour Party to scare the wits out of the voters. The voters took one look at what Militant wanted an Fled as far in the opposite direction as possible.
And you wonder why I’m not worried by you telling people your aims? Pray do continue, the more publicity you give your policies the more voters will flee in other directions! Keep it up for long enough and you could well lumber us with another Thatcher again!
Now that's something for voters to think about! :eek:
"Ignorant Numpties"! Well, well, that says far more about your attitudes towards other's than I ever could. And you want people to entrust you with running the Country. I think that just about sums up your Parties attitudes towards others. Such Old World Charm, reminds me of the thread about woman in Somerfields!
frank ward
22-Nov-06, 11:17
Ingonorant numptie you remain, Jaws. I have never been a member of Militant, indeed while I was in Liverpool I had several run-ins with their tactics.
Nevertheless, the defeat and expulsion of Militant from the Labour Party paved the way for the right-wing policies adopted by the Blairites and the market-driven madness and pro-business foreign policies we are stuck with today.
Jaws is also ignorant - socialists have consistently fought for the rights of opprerssed peoples in Tibet, Burma, etc.
I make no apologies for my strategy during the victorious Maternity campaign, indeed many similar campaigns failed and will continue to fail by not generalising and making the political points. Bill Fernie and I worked closely together on that campaign, and I also maintained a parallel publicity campaign as a socialist. I deliberately adopted an aggressive and uncompromising position, this unhinged many of the time-servers within the Board who were trying to implement the POLITICALY DRIVEN policies of the Labour/Lib Dem executive.
I suppose the Highland tenants who have just voted No to privatisation are also 'militants?'
And pray tell what your comments have to do with the plight of Palestinians, whose daily lives are reduced to misery by the military occupation of their lands?
Ignorant Numpties !! love it, keep that up and you will be losing your deposit for sure, even Colin Fox would and could come up with better name calling than that
socialists have consistently fought for the rights of opprerssed peoples in Tibet, Burma, etc.
Don't see your link to stop buying Chinese imports Frank.
I don’t recall saying you were in Militant in Liverpool or anywhere else for that matter.
What I am saying is that the Party you either are supporting or have supported can be traced back, via Militant Tendency under it various names and factions (what name shall we hide behind today syndrome) Ted Grant and his associate Leon Sedov, who just happens to be the son of Leon Trotsky. (Now that name sounds familiar)
The trail is not difficult to trace, you just work your way back through the dozens of splits and expulsions due to regular Power Struggles at the top caused by power hungry egos. (Now that does sound familiar)
Back to what you want Scotland to become embroiled in, (apart from an attempt to split the Labour Party into English and Scottish Sections to weaken it).
The timing of the Petition is extremely convenient and has very little to do with water.
The location concerned is the Golan Heights. Until Syria declared war and invaded Israel along with Egypt and Jordan in 1967 the Golan Heights overlooked the north of Israel and was used by them prior to that date, from time to time, to shell towns in the north of Israel. By the end of the War the Israelis had pushed the Syrians back almost to Damascus. The Israelis withdrew, quite voluntarily, from Syria with the exception of that part of the Golan Heights which Syria had previously used to shell them.
Until last year Syria had troops in Lebanon for the previous 20 years and had refused to remove them.
Not long ago Syria was, even according to the UN, responsible for the murder of the previous Prime Minister of Lebanon. The UN have recently authorised a tribunal into the murder.
Currently Hezbollah, which is Syrian backed, is demanding a larger say in the Lebanese Government. Now an anti-Syrian Minister in the Lebanese Government has just been assassinated, the sixth such Minister in the last two years. .
The Golan Heights, which Syria is desperate to regain control of, overlooks the Border between Israel and that part of Lebanon dominated by Hezbollah.
I wonder why, suddenly, there is a petition created by Palestinian Sympathisers for the Scottish Parliament to embroil itself in what is obviously an effort to return the Golan Heights to Syria.
The effect would be to give destroy an Independent Lebanon allowing the Syria to swamp the place with it’s troops, again, just a year after they had been forced to leave.
Hezbollah would then be able to operate under it’s supporter’s (Syrian) protection to send Rockets into Northern Israel in order to provoke retaliation adjacent to the Golan Heights. Syria could then claim that for “Self Protection” the had to shell Israeli villages enabling them to call on their Arab (Muslim) Brothers to support it from “Aggressive Israeli Intentions”.
Fanciful? Not if you have watched the same methods attempted time and again all your adult life. Syria’s friend and ally Iran would likely get itself involved and we all know who would be dragged in then, don’t we?
This Petition is nothing more than an attempt at Mischief Making intended to, at the worst, destabalise the Middle East or, failing that, at least to cause political friction between Edinburgh and Westminster.
The timing all seems very convenient, very convenient indeed. Now, about the really important issue of water and the Palestinians?
How did the song go? “Only a Pawn in their game?” This is nothing more than an attempt to drag Scottish Voters into a self-centred power play.
Forward Brothers to the Revolution! Man the Barricades! Eliminate the Moderates and Victory will be ours! Whatever happened to poor Trotsky? Were they still using poison back then, or where they more subtle?
In the words of The Stranglers:
Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky?
He got an ice pick
That made his ears burn.....[lol]
Sorry, I almost forgot the “Oppressed People” excuse, didn’t I?
The far left have never been in the least concerned about the Oppressed. The have simply manipulated and used them as Cannon Fodder for their own narrow Political aims.
When it is Politically convenient to prevent them being helped, as in Darfur, they will delay and block any assistance being give to them.
The refugees from Darfur in the Sudan are counted in Millions. Why are you not insisting that the Countries who are blocking the UN from providing proper assistance to them stop doing so? Could the reason simply be a case of Political convenience, or does what is happening to them not come under the heading of "Oppressed People"?
Gogglebox
23-Nov-06, 22:49
I quote "you ignorant numpties".
I remember your equally aggressive and politically motivated approach to the maternity campaign at one of the meetings in Thurso. In such a highly passionate campaign affecting so many local people very deeply, your approach was to be rude and aggressive... as a heavily pregnant woman at the time; I also took the opportunity to tell you so, as in all honesty you made my blood boil. Maintaining an attitude like this will win you and your campaign little support, Mr Ward. The Org is not here to serve as a portal for the political aims and aspirations of you or any other politician. [evil]
Well said,
Frank is the most politically morally bankrupt person that has ever graced these boards
THe org is not a tool for his politicking but wait and see he will be backed up soon by a new user (the last one was called Pussycat) who will believe and endorse Franks view.
Also Frank tells tall tales and does not answer any questions he is directly asked as he chooses to use the org for Solidaritys benefit and Frank Wards political ambitions.
He is duplicitious and untrustworthy and creates his own endorced conversation on these boards with his various usernames.
I hope he gets banned soon as he is a disgrace to the board and to politics in general
After all his shouting about the Housing Transfer what is the magic solution now that it has not gone through and how does he plan for us to pay the extra estimated £750 a year we are each going to have to pay to rent our houses in their current state
No answers will come because he and his HAST pal Donnie Kerr dont need to do answers they just needed to prevent progress
They forget its people lives they play with but Frank doesnt live in a council house hes got his only place so it wont affect him
Please ban this orger (or orgers as he uses more than one name) he is going to bring it in to disrepute and end up with it closed down
Alternatively Go Away Frank Ward !! And take your alterego Pussycat with you
I do live on my own planet lol I don't even know who frank ward is :)
Alice in Blunderland
23-Nov-06, 23:08
I do live on my own planet lol I don't even know who frank ward is :)
I must be on the planet with you as I have no idea who this is either or any of the alter egos that are being reffered to.:D
Gogglebox
23-Nov-06, 23:13
Frank Ward and Pussy cat were the two names he used on the org to promote his political aspirations
He's the esteemed MSP candidate who got the magnificent vote of 3.92% in his last election!!
(as an SSP candidate in that election til he defected when Tommy Sheridans latest political misfits were created, the Solidarity party)
Self publicist, self serving but dangerous as he is being allowed to spout his bile and militant rhetoric on these boards
Ignore him we can only hope we goes away and concentrates on kissing Tommy "pants on fire" Sheridans backside in the hope he get the opportunity to humiliate himself again at the next elections in May - -
Hope he does it further south away from the Highlands!!
I do live on my own planet lol I don't even know who frank ward is :)
I dont know either Unicorn, doesnt sound nice at all though, i just keep away from the politics, too much bickering between them all!! Lol! I have a much happier life to lead!
Gogglebox does have a point though, if he hasn't got a good word to say and just causes aggro, then he should be removed from the forums, no-one wants to really read this drivel!
Gogglebox
23-Nov-06, 23:27
Ignorant Numpties !! love it, keep that up and you will be losing your deposit for sure, even Colin Fox would and could come up with better name calling than that
THe cream of political debate that one isnt it - fair adds to the cut and thrust of a sensible debate
Its up there with Martin Luther Kings I have a Dream speech and JFKs Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country!
Will we remember wher we we the day a hackneyed militant politician called us a bunch on ignorant numpties - - -I doubt it , he'll be quickly rocketed into obscurity - - -pity we couldnt rocket him further!!!
Goodbye
Tata
Frankie!!!
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