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pumkin
22-Jan-12, 18:19
I feel that the evidence toward life outside earth & UFO's is so strong that it's not a case of believing but a case of knowing that there is something out there. I feel that government (particularly the U.S government) have been keeping the facts from the public, & also the U.S Army, too. Maybe, they're keeping the facts to themselves for our own protection. Maybe one of these alien civilizations pose a threat to our race & we've got to protect ourselves from them. Or maybe one of these alien civilization's come in peace. Who knows?

Evidence shows that aliens visited the us in ancient times, there's several articles on the topic, but this is a good introduction showing several ancient civilizations;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts)
Also, many credible people speak out on the subject. Apollo 14 astronaut & moonwalker Edgar Mitchell;

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

& also, Buzz Aldrin;

http://www.rense.com/general70/rep.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI (http://www.rense.com/general70/rep.htm) - him speaking about UFO he saw in space

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws&feature=related - him speaking about a monolith on one of Mars' moons. Who built it?

Again, there are many videos/articles about various NASA employees speaking about this.

Also, there are many cases that raises an eybrow;

Battle Of Los Angeles

Roswell

D.C. Lights

Phoenix Lights

I shall post links to these events after dinner! :)

Basically I'm posting this to hear other people's views on the subject. Do you feel we're alone? Do you feel that there are other civilizations out there? Do you feel one of these civilizations have visited earth? Or that we have visited one of these civilizations?

pmcd
22-Jan-12, 18:25
I think Eric Idle, the Great Comic Philosopher, summed it up quite nicely -

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.


The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bungle all down here on Earth.

But seriously, of course there is more out there than we can even begin to dream of! :D

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 18:51
I would like to believe, that there are other beings out there. But. Why is it that there are so many different species of life, on this planet.
Surely, if other life forms exist. Our planet Earth, would consist only of us. I don't know whether i explained myself, very well there, so if you don't get what i mean. I will understand.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 19:01
But seriously, of course there is more out there than we can even begin to dream of! :D

The fact is that the U.S Government & the U.S Army most certainly know that there is something out there. Technology has come so, so far in 50 years. I, & many other people believe that we've had a little help...

It's long been said that Ancient Egyptians communicated with Aliens. Their Gods were the aliens. Legend has it that Aliens would come to visit them & give them their intelligence, but only if the Egyptians responded by doing extraordinary feats of engineering. Both us & the aliens were learning here. This might sound a bit far out for some, but I think it sounds perfectly rational considering the Egyptians did some pretty incredible stuff with a mere hammer & chisel...

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 19:35
I would like to believe, that there are other beings out there. But. Why is it that there are so many different species of life, on this planet.
Surely, if other life forms exist. Our planet Earth, would consist only of us. I don't know whether i explained myself, very well there, so if you don't get what i mean. I will understand.

Hi shazzap

Evolution has taught us that nothing just appears but rathers evolves from something. We humans evolved, from the moment of the big bang. So if there was life on another planet, that life surely would've evolved from somewhere, too.

In conclusion, if there is life on another planet, there'd most certainly be lots of other life forms as well.

billmoseley
22-Jan-12, 19:37
of course there is life outside of this planet where do you think i came from

Phill
22-Jan-12, 19:55
The fact is that the U.S Government & the U.S Army most certainly know that there is something out there.For why is it just the US that know?

Maccy
22-Jan-12, 20:40
I hope that they do exist. They can beam me up anytime.

Saveman
22-Jan-12, 20:48
The fact is that the U.S Government & the U.S Army most certainly know that there is something out there. Technology has come so, so far in 50 years. I, & many other people believe that we've had a little help...

It's long been said that Ancient Egyptians communicated with Aliens. Their Gods were the aliens. Legend has it that Aliens would come to visit them & give them their intelligence, but only if the Egyptians responded by doing extraordinary feats of engineering. Both us & the aliens were learning here. This might sound a bit far out for some, but I think it sounds perfectly rational considering the Egyptians did some pretty incredible stuff with a mere hammer & chisel...

The aliens were called the Goa'uld. I saw a documentary about it....

Mystical Potato Head
22-Jan-12, 20:57
Evidence shown that aliens have visited us in ancient times?.....
There is no proof of that,only assumptions.People like Erich Von Daniken see
alien visitations and technology in almost anything he looks at.I'm afraid he goes a bit over the top for me.I have his books along with others from Graham Handcock on ancient civilisations and there structures.
Fascinating reading and like any civilisation which based most of their worship skyward to the stars it is amazing just what they knew and what they could construct.
There is a lot of cave drawings the world over the could be interpreted as ancient astronauts.Why would people several thousand years BC draw people with domes over their heads?
Why would they show gods sitting atop chariots of fire that came down from the sky?
Those against will say its just imagination but even the wildest most vivid imagination can only come from things that we know.

The bible has more than its share of passages that could be read as having a "spaceship" connection.

II Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on talked, that, behold, there appeared a CHARIOT OF FIRE, and HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

If people want to belive then they will,stories of angels and gods descending from the heavens could very well be ancient astronauts landing on the earth but unfortunately there is no evidence.
I really do wish there was though.

If an alien race posed a threat to us their technology would be so advanced for them to be able to reach us in the first place,there weapons would almost certainly be equally advanced
and something we couldnt protect ourselves against anyway.
Maybe if a civilisation has become so advanced then maybe they have "evolved" from the tribal warfare that we as a species seem to specialise in and would pose no threat,who knows.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 21:15
Why then. Is there so many different life forms, on this planet.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 21:19
Also, there are many cases that raises an eybrow;

Battle Of Los Angeles

Roswell

D.C. Lights

Phoenix Lights

Ok, the above incidents are now world famous, but incase you aren't aware of any of these cases, here are some links for you to read.

Battle Of Los Angeles - (more commonly known as The Great Los Angeles Air Raid)

http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm

An excerpt from the article reads - Imagine how this huge ship, assumed to be some unknown Japanese aircraft, was then attacked as it hung, nearly stationary, over Culver City and Santa Monica by dozens of Army anti-aircraft batteries firing nearly 2,000 rounds of 12 pound, high explosive shells in full view of hundreds of thousands of residents.

The Roswell Incident - http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/incident.htm
(http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/incident.htm)
An excerpt from the article reads - On the morning of July 8, Marcel reported what he'd found to Col. Blanchard, showing him pieces of the wreckage, none of which looked like anything Blanchard had ever seen. Blanchard then sent Marcel to Carswell [Fort Worth Army Air Field] to see General Ramey, Commanding Officer of the Eighth Air Force.
Marcel stated years later to Walter Haut that he'd taken some of the debris into Ramey's office to show him what had been found. The material was displayed on Ramey's desk for the general when he returned.
Upon his return, General Ramey wanted to see the exact location of the debris field, so he and Marcel went to the map room down the hall - but when they returned, the wreckage that had been placed on the desk was gone and a weather balloon was spread out on the floor. Major Charles A. Cashon took the now-famous photo of Marcel with the weather balloon, in General Ramey's office.
It was then reported that General Ramey recognized the remains as part of a weather balloon. Brigadier General Thomas DuBose, the chief of staff of the Eighth Air Force said, "[It] was a cover story. The whole balloon part of it. That was the part of the story we were told to give to the public and news and that was it."

The military tried to convince the news media from that day forward that the object found near Roswell was nothing more than a weather balloon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident - This is a good bit of further reading, including publications of books on the subject.

D.C. Lights - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington_D.C._UFO_incident
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington_D.C._UFO_incident)
http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/aliens/UFOWashington.htm
(http://www.spartechsoftware.com/dimensions/aliens/UFOWashington.htm)
Excerpt from the article - Around midnight on July 19, 1952, radar operators at Washington National Airport noted several 'blips' on the radar over Washington D.C. (15 miles from the Washington National airport). These objects appeared to be traveling at 100 to 130 m.p.h. and would then suddenly accelerate to unbelievable speeds - sometimes in excess of 7,200 m.p.h. Washington National radar operators immediately contacted a local radio operator who confirmed that he too was tracking the objects. With two confirmations in hand they decided to further clarify the situation with Andrews Air Force Base.Around midnight on July 19, 1952, radar operators at Washington National Airport noted several 'blips' on the radar over Washington D.C. (15 miles from the Washington National airport). These objects appeared to be traveling at 100 to 130 m.p.h. and would then suddenly accelerate to unbelievable speeds - sometimes in excess of 7,200 m.p.h.

Note - These lights appeared again on July 26th & 27th

Phoenix Lights - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIdDpJYSOM

I've put links to Wikipedia as it's an unbiased view, so you can take from it what you wish.

@Phill - As you can see, these events happened in America. Also, the 1947 incident at Roswell. Apparently, the Army took the Alien aircraft & the dead Alien bodies & experimented on them & the aircraft. This is where they learned advanced technology. There are many employees in various governmental & army positions that will say this is true.


(http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm)

Phill
22-Jan-12, 21:19
Scotland's a UFO hotspot apparently:
http://www.scot-ufo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

UFO expert: ‘Scotland is a world hot spot for UFOs (http://news.stv.tv/scotland/190685-ufo-expert-scotland-is-a-world-hotspot-for-ufos-ghosts-and-monsters/)

Not to mention UK's 'area 51', the secret facility beneath Portgower! :eek:

Phill
22-Jan-12, 21:23
@Phill - As you can see, these events happened in America. Also, the 1947 incident at Roswell. Apparently, the Army took the Alien aircraft & the dead Alien bodies & experimented on them & the aircraft. This is where they learned advanced technology. There are many employees in various governmental & army positions that will say this is true.Oh I know that's true, they used the technology to create the Aurora aircraft that used to fly into Campbeltown / Macrihanish.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 21:29
Why then. Is there so many different life forms, on this planet.

Evolution, Shazzap. We have all at one time been everything. We have been bugs & insects to fish & every other animal on the planet. Every rock & tree you see is the same elements that we're made from. Heck even the keys I'm typing on is part of us. EVERYTHING is us & we are EVERYTHING.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 21:32
Evolution, Shazzap. We have all at one time been everything. We have been bugs & insects to fish & every other animal on the planet. Every rock & tree you see is the same elements that we're made from. Heck even the keys I'm typing on is part of us. EVERYTHING is us & we are EVERYTHING.

Can't agree with. That we have all, at one time, been everything. IMO, we came from either. Fish. Apes. Or even the lowly Amoeba.

billmoseley
22-Jan-12, 21:38
if you were an alien and had been watching us humans wouldn't you stay away? all we do is fight among ourselves. if they land we would surround them with tanks and then march them off to dissect them

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 21:45
Can't agree with. That we have all, at one time, been everything. IMO, we came from either. Fish. Apes. Or even the lowly Amoeba.

It's not a case of agreeing here, shazzap. This is infact, fact. Watch Proffesor Brian Cox's Wonders Of The Universe. He discusses evolution in Layman's terms. You'd be amazed at how we got here.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 21:48
It's not a case of agreeing here, shazzap. This is infact, fact. Watch Proffesor Brian Cox's Wonders Of The Universe. He discusses evolution in Layman's terms. You'd be amazed at how we got here.

That again, is one persons take on things.

bekisman
22-Jan-12, 21:53
Do I detect religion popping up here?

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:00
Evidence shown that aliens have visited us in ancient times?.....
There is no proof of that,only assumptions.People like Erich Von Daniken see
alien visitations and technology in almost anything he looks at.I'm afraid he goes a bit over the top for me.I have his books along with others from Graham Handcock on ancient civilisations and there structures.
Fascinating reading and like any civilisation which based most of their worship skyward to the stars it is amazing just what they knew and what they could construct.
There is a lot of cave drawings the world over the could be interpreted as ancient astronauts.Why would people several thousand years BC draw people with domes over their heads?
Why would they show gods sitting atop chariots of fire that came down from the sky?
Those against will say its just imagination but even the wildest most vivid imagination can only come from things that we know.

The bible has more than its share of passages that could be read as having a "spaceship" connection.

II Kings 2:11 "And it came to pass, as they still went on talked, that, behold, there appeared a CHARIOT OF FIRE, and HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

If people want to belive then they will,stories of angels and gods descending from the heavens could very well be ancient astronauts landing on the earth but unfortunately there is no evidence.
I really do wish there was though.

If an alien race posed a threat to us their technology would be so advanced for them to be able to reach us in the first place,there weapons would almost certainly be equally advanced
and something we couldnt protect ourselves against anyway.
Maybe if a civilisation has become so advanced then maybe they have "evolved" from the tribal warfare that we as a species seem to specialise in and would pose no threat,who knows.

Yes it is all just theories at the end of the day, but the theories are so strong there doesn't seem to be another explanation for it. The first part of your post of which I highlighted, the question is why. Why did these civilizations draw these things on the wall? As you say, it had to come from something that they already knew. It's accepted that the ancients drew their history on walls, so what are they trying to tell us here?

The bible as well. It's full of hidden meanings. We are entering the age of aquarius & the bible tells us this;

Aquarius is however, the water bearer, and the symbol of the sign, which is the eleventh sign of the Zodiac, is a man carrying in his right hand a pitcher of water. Jesus referred to the beginning of the Aquarian Age in these words: 'And then the man who bears the pitcher will walk forth across an arc of heaven; the sign and signet of the Son of Man will stand forth in the eastern sky. The wise will then lift up their heads and know that the redemption of the earth is near.'” (Aquarian Gospel 157: 29, 30.)

Your last paragraph you've hit a very good point there. Either aliens are so advanced to get here in the first place, then surely they have sufficient weaponary to protect themselves. Then again, as you say they may have evolved from tribal warfare & would pose no such threat. Such as in the film Avatar.

Here's another interesting report, read the headlines & note what is said about Stephen Hawking's opinion on aliens at the very start of the report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kse2Lh6O6Co&feature=related

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:01
That again, is one persons take on things.

No, it's proved scientific fact. Read the evidence, shazzap.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 22:05
No, it's proved scientific fact. Read the evidence, shazzap.

No thank you.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:09
No thank you.

Well how you can possibly comment on something, when you haven't read the evidence is beyond me. Read what we're composed of & how we came to be composed of those materials & you're opinion will change.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:12
Do I detect religion popping up here?

Certainly not on my part, no.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 22:13
Well how you can possibly comment on something, when you haven't read the evidence is beyond me. Read what we're composed of & how we came to be composed of those materials & you're opinion will change.

Just because, i haven't read. What you want me to. Does not mean i haven't read anything on Human evolution. Again. No thank you.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:15
Just because, i haven't read. What you want me to. Does not mean i haven't read anything on Human evolution. Again. No thank you.

Ok... :confused

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 22:18
Ok... :confused

What are you confused about.

Corrie 3
22-Jan-12, 22:27
Just wait until the .Org's resident scientists see this thread. They will have a field day and put us all right in a matter of just a few posts!!!

Just going off thread for a minute...does anyone know what time Tesco opens in the morning and how much Co2 does my dog give off when he passes wind?

Back on thread..........do you mean there is life outside of Thurso? I am confused now!!!

C3................:roll::roll:

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 22:29
Just wait until the .Org's resident scientists see this thread. They will have a field day and put us all right in a matter of just a few posts!!!

Just going off thread for a minute...does anyone know what time Tesco opens in the morning and how much Co2 does my dog give off when he passes wind?

Back on thread..........do you mean there is life outside of Thurso? I am confused now!!!

C3................:roll::roll:

You would be. Confused, that is. [lol]

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:38
What are you confused about.

shazzap, I really don't want to get off the thread topic here. So I'm going to say this & then hopefully we can get back on topic.

If you say you've read about human evolution, but you don't believe that we are at one with everything, or the fact that we have all evolved from the same seed, then I want to know what you've read.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 22:47
shazzap, I really don't want to get off the thread topic here. So I'm going to say this & then hopefully we can get back on topic.

If you say you've read about human evolution, but you don't believe that we are at one with everything, or the fact that we have all evolved from the same seed, then I want to know what you've read.

Look. I haven't gone into great detail, in my reading of this. Just generally, like most people. I have my opinion, you have yours. I believe we evolved from either, Apes or Fish. You believe what you want to, and i will do the same. Thank you. No i do not believe we are at one with everything.

theone
22-Jan-12, 22:56
The fact is that the U.S Government & the U.S Army most certainly know that there is something out there.

No.

The fact might be that you, and other conspiracy theorists, believe that they know.

The US covers less than 10 million square kilometers. The total are of the world covers 510 million square kilometers. Despite being the most powerful country in the world, I doubt the could hide all proof of alien visitors to the other 98% of the world.

I have no doubt that there are aliens. Even intelligent aliens. The laws of probability make it an almost certainty.

But if they're intelligent enough to get here, they'd be intelligent enough to outsmart a government that took 10 years to find a man in sandles hiding in Pakistan.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 22:58
Look. I haven't gone into great detail, in my reading of this. Just generally, like most people. I have my opinion, you have yours. I believe we evolved from either, Apes or Fish. You believe what you want to, and i will do the same. Thank you. No i do not believe we are at one with everything.

It shows that you haven't read about this. It's not that I have my opinion on the subject, rather I have read the evidence. We evolved from the moment of the big bang. We have evolved all through time & we will continue to evolve until the end of time.

This is an essential man to learn from;

http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

& (http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/) buy this;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Space-DVD-Sam-Neill/dp/B00005OCTZ

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 23:00
It shows that you haven't read about this. It's not that I have my opinion on the subject, rather I have read the evidence. We evolved from the moment of the big bang. We have evolved all through time & we will continue to evolve until the end of time.

This is an essential man to learn from;

http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

& (http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/) buy this;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Space-DVD-Sam-Neill/dp/B00005OCTZ

Again. No thank you. You do not want peoples opinions on this. You want to preach. Well go and preach to someone else

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:04
No.

The fact might be that you, and other conspiracy theorists, believe that they know.

The US covers less than 10 million square kilometers. The total are of the world covers 510 million square kilometers. Despite being the most powerful country in the world, I doubt the could hide all proof of alien visitors to the other 98% of the world.

I have no doubt that there are aliens. Even intelligent aliens. The laws of probability make it an almost certainty.

But if they're intelligent enough to get here, they'd be intelligent enough to outsmart a government that took 10 years to find a man in sandles hiding in Pakistan.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but simply keeping an open mind.

What? You mean the man they never took any photos of? No proof that they killed him.

Look at what they did to Gaddafi, they filmed it & posted it all around the world.

Even though you say that you doubt that they could hide all proof of aliens, who's to say that they can't?

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:06
Again. No thank you. You do not want peoples opinions on this. You want to preach. Well go and preach to someone else

Ok...:confused

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 23:07
Ok...:confused

Your a very confused person.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:10
Your a very confused person.

I'm just confused with you, you think that your opinion overrides that of science. It confuses me when you go by what you think as opposed to the minds of people that have studied the subject all their life's.

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 23:13
I'm just confused with you, you think that your opinion overrides that of science. It confuses me when you go by what you think as opposed to the minds of people that have studied the subject all their life's.

Stranger things have happened at sea. Have they studied all their lives, have you.

Mystical Potato Head
22-Jan-12, 23:14
One thing is certain.UFO's exist.Unidentified flying objects mean just that. Not specifically alien spacecraft although too many people and especially the media seem
to think thats exactly what it means.
I'm sure the vast majority of people have seen something in the sky,day or night that they couldnt positively identify.Well that would be a UFO.
Doesnt mean your claiming to have seen ET engaging the warp drive.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:15
Stranger things have happened at sea. Have they studied all their lives, have you.

Could you elaborate?

bekisman
22-Jan-12, 23:16
Certainly not on my part, no.
No it's not you pumkin, but I'm sure it will be along soon...

shazzap
22-Jan-12, 23:17
Could you elaborate?

No.............. Because now i'm confused.:confused

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:19
One thing is certain.UFO's exist.Unidentified flying objects mean just that. Not specifically alien spacecraft although too many people and especially the media seem
to think thats exactly what it means.
I'm sure the vast majority of people have seen something in the sky,day or night that they couldnt positively identify.Well that would be a UFO.
Doesnt mean your claiming to have seen ET engaging the warp drive.

As I stated earlier, I'm not a conpsiracist, but rather keeping an open mind. & my open mind tells me this^^^

UFO's are exactly Unidentified Flying Objects​.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:20
No it's not you pumkin, but I'm sure it will be along soon...

Well, myself & MPH did both put reference's to the bible, I hope that doesn't count :eek:

:lol:

Angel
22-Jan-12, 23:25
Is this planet ours?
Are we the aliens here?
What is to say that aliens are not here and living side by side of us.
They don't have be around 5'9" with 2 arms and 2 legs etc.
Why can't aliens and ufo's we see be us in the future visiting us now on some time tourist excursion.
Why can't these aliens be keeping us as some kind of experiment.
Maybe we are just the imaginings of an aliens mind.
Maybe our planet is a virus that is kept under control in the syringe of space.
It is also possible that we don't exist in the same context as we think we do.
So many questions.

Angel...

theone
22-Jan-12, 23:26
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but simply keeping an open mind.


No.

You believe the US government are involved in a conspiracy to hide aliens from us. You are therefore a conspiracy theorist.



What? You mean the man they never took any photos of? No proof that they killed him.

See above.


Look at what they did to Gaddafi, they filmed it & posted it all around the world.

Who are they? Who did it, who filmed it and who posted it. Where is the connection to the American government?


Even though you say that you doubt that they could hide all proof of aliens, who's to say that they can't?

Anybody with a bit of common sense.

If they can hide alien visitors to the 98% of the world they don't occupy, you'd think they'd do a better job of hiding Roswell et al?

The USA got beaten in Vietnam by a country of rice farmers. Intergalactic travellers will do okay against them..............

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:28
Is this planet ours?
Are we the aliens here?
What is to say that aliens are not here and living side by side of us.
They don't have be around 5'9" with 2 arms and 2 legs etc.
Why can't aliens and ufo's we see be us in the future visiting us now on some time tourist excursion.
Why can't these aliens be keeping us as some kind of experiment.
Maybe we are just the imaginings of an aliens mind.
Maybe our planet is a virus that is kept under control in the syringe of space.
It is also possible that we don't exist in the same context as we think we do.
So many questions.

Angel...

This is a very fine example of an open mind.

spaceshipone
22-Jan-12, 23:31
there's no doubt about it that we are not alone i've seen some strange things a lot and it kind got be obsessed that i found so many details but sadly forgotten...does anyone recall this?...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xsvj9LbwwU or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMFlp4EX08c

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:36
No.

You believe the US government are involved in a conspiracy to hide aliens from us. You are therefore a conspiracy theorist.



See above.



Who are they? Who did it, who filmed it and who posted it. Where is the connection to the American government?



Anybody with a bit of common sense.

If they can hide alien visitors to the 98% of the world they don't occupy, you'd think they'd do a better job of hiding Roswell et al?

The USA got beaten in Vietnam by a country of rice farmers. Intergalactic travellers will do okay against them..............

Just because I don't believe information that a particular government preaches, does not make me a conspiracist. They apparently killed bin Laden, & people believe it, even though they refused to take photos. But they took great delight in filming a docudrama about it...

I didn't say Gaddafi's death had anything to do with the US government. My point here is the rebels killed him & they posted proof all around the world. This goes back millenia where if someone was killed they'd hang his head on a stick for all to see.

Now, I take exception to you saying that I don't have any common sense. It's wrong of you to presume I don't just because your views on government aren't my views. The fact is this, any government can keep a secret.

Many a man has gone to his grave holding on to a secret.

pumkin
22-Jan-12, 23:46
there's no doubt about it that we are not alone i've seen some strange things a lot and it kind got be obsessed that i found so many details but sadly forgotten...does anyone recall this?...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xsvj9LbwwU or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMFlp4EX08c

spaceshipone, I vaguely remember that first video but I've never come across that second video. It's pretty heavy;


This is the voice of Vrillon, a representative of the Ashtar Galactic Command, speaking to you. For many years you have seen us as lights in the skies. We speak to you now in peace and wisdom as we have done to your brothers and sisters all over this, your planet Earth.

We come to warn you of the destiny of your race and your world so that you may communicate to your fellow beings the course you must take to avoid the disaster which threatens your world, and the beings on our worlds around you.

This is in order that you may share in the great awakening, as the planet passes into the New Age of Aquarius. The New Age can be a time of great peace and evolution for your race, but only if your rulers are made aware of the evil forces that can overshadow their judgments.

Be still now and listen, for your chance may not come again.

All your weapons of evil must be removed. The time for conflict is now past and the race of which you are a part may proceed to the higher stages of its evolution if you show yourselves worthy to do this. You have but a short time to learn to live together in peace and goodwill.

Small groups all over the planet are learning this, and exist to pass on the light of the dawning New Age to you all. You are free to accept or reject their teachings, but only those who learn to live in peace will pass to the higher realms of spiritual evolution.

Hear now the voice of Vrillon, a representative of the Ashtar Galactic Command, speaking to you.

Be aware also that there are many false prophets and guides operating in your world. They will suck your energy from you - the energy you call money and will put it to evil ends and give you worthless dross in return.

Your inner divine self will protect you from this. You must learn to be sensitive to the voice within that can tell you what is truth, and what is confusion, chaos and untruth. Learn to listen to the voice of truth which is within you and you will lead yourselves onto the path of evolution.

This is our message to our dear friends. We have watched you growing for many years as you too have watched our lights in your skies. You know now that we are here, and that there are more beings on and around your Earth than your scientists admit.

We are deeply concerned about you and your path towards the light and will do all we can to help you. Have no fear, seek only to know yourselves, and live in harmony with the ways of your planet Earth. We of the Ashtar Galactic Command thank you for your attention.

We are now leaving the plane of your existence.

May you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the cosmos.

theone
22-Jan-12, 23:48
Just because I don't believe information that a particular government preaches, does not make me a conspiracist. The apparently killed bin Laden, & people believe it, even though they refused to take photos. But they took great delight in filming a docudrama about it...

I didn't say Gaddafi's death had anything to do with the US government. My point here is the rebels killed him & they posted proof all around the world. This goes back millenia where if someone was killed they'd hang his head on a stick for all to see.

Now, I take exception to you saying that I don't have any common sense. It's wrong of you to presume I don't just because your views on government aren't my views. The fact is this, any government can keep a secret.

Many a man has gone to his grave holding on to a secret.

Ok then, fair enough.

But answer these questions:

How could the USA hide aliens visiting the world, assuming aliens visit 100% of the planet?

How could the USA stop the aliens "getting in" and showing themselves to the world? Bare in mind 636,000 illegal mexicans get into the USA every single year.

I agree, any government can keep a secret. But they can't keep ANY secret. Alien visits would be the biggest events in human history. What makes you think the government could hide that?

Let's try a scenario. Aliens decide to land in Edinburgh city centre. How do the US hide it? Even if they don't pick Edinburgh, pick anywhere in the other 98% of the world that the USA don't occupy. Explain it to me and I might not doubt you.

I too believe I have an open mind. But in the absence of evidence I rely on possibility and probability.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:06
Ok then, fair enough.

But answer these questions:

How could the USA hide aliens visiting the world, assuming aliens visit 100% of the planet?

How could the USA stop the aliens "getting in" and showing themselves to the world? Bare in mind 636,000 illegal mexicans get into the USA every single year.

I agree, any government can keep a secret. But they can't keep ANY secret. Alien visits would be the biggest events in human history. What makes you think the government could hide that?

Let's try a scenario. Aliens decide to land in Edinburgh city centre. How do the US hide it? Even if they don't pick Edinburgh, pick anywhere in the other 98% of the world that the USA don't occupy. Explain it to me and I might not doubt you.

I too believe I have an open mind. But in the absence of evidence I rely on possibility and probability.

The fact is, ordinary joe doesn't know what an alien (how many aliens are there? how many civilizations are there? are they composed differently?) is. Are they invisible? Maybe they are invisible. They could be walking amongst us, studying everything we're doing. Who knows?

Have you ever thought that an alien civilization is possibly working alongside a government? Area 51, Roswell, they're in the dessert. Miles from anywhere. Maybe there's a reason why Area 51 is where it is. Who knows?

What about China?

http://reinep.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/was-ancient-china-in-war-with-aliens/

Maybe aliens are walking amongst us. I don't know. Perhaps you or I aren't human. Who knows?

We're living in a different age here, just because we don't visibly see something doesn't mean that it isn't there.

Outside of Jupiter, there's a mass sea of radiation that is invisible. If it were visible, it would bigger & brighter than our Sun. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that we can't believe it.

theone
23-Jan-12, 00:17
Outside of Jupiter, there's a mass sea of radiation that is invisible. If it were visible, it would bigger & brighter than our Sun. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that we can't believe it.

For the love of.........................

If my Granny had a willy she'd be my Grandad.

But she doesn't.

The radiation belt you speak of is not in the visible spectrum. Science fact. Just like microwaves or your TV remote control.



Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that we can't believe it.

Just because I can't see my dad fart doesn't mean I can't sense it! In the same way we can sense radiation in space.


I can't prove that aliens aren't here.

If they're not, I think they might be one day.

But to believe that the USA could hide it from all mankind is, in my humble opinion, ridiculous.

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 00:26
Just because I don't believe information that a particular government preaches, does not make me a conspiracist. They apparently killed bin Laden, & people believe it, even though they refused to take photos. But they took great delight in filming a docudrama about it...

I didn't say Gaddafi's death had anything to do with the US government. My point here is the rebels killed him & they posted proof all around the world. This goes back millenia where if someone was killed they'd hang his head on a stick for all to see.

Now, I take exception to you saying that I don't have any common sense. It's wrong of you to presume I don't just because your views on government aren't my views. The fact is this, any government can keep a secret.

Many a man has gone to his grave holding on to a secret.

Double standards here. You were ok, making assumptions about me.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:28
For the love of.........................

If my Granny had a willy she'd be my Grandad.

But she doesn't.

The radiation belt you speak of is not in the visible spectrum. Science fact. Just like microwaves or your TV remote control.



Just because I can't see my dad fart doesn't mean I can't sense it! In the same way we can sense radiation in space.


I can't prove that aliens aren't here.

If they're not, I think they might be one day.

But to believe that the USA could hide it from all mankind is, in my humble opinion, ridiculous.

Maybe aliens aren't in the visible spectrum! How are you to know otherwise

& that is your opinion regarding the USA hiding information, who's to say whether you're right or wrong.

Fact is this. There's no need to speak in the manner you're speaking. I'm talking to you like I'd talk to anybody else. I'm not being sarcastic talking about my granny's willy [disgust]

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:32
Double standards here. You were ok, making assumptions about me.

Views on government are slightly different on views towards evolution.

We don't know for sure what's going on behind closed doors, but we certainly know of what we're composed of & how we came to be composed.

golach
23-Jan-12, 00:32
For the love of.........................

If my Granny had a willy she'd be my Grandad.

But she doesn't.

The radiation belt you speak of is not in the visible spectrum. Science fact. Just like microwaves or your TV remote control.



Just because I can't see my dad fart doesn't mean I can't sense it! In the same way we can sense radiation in space.


I can't prove that aliens aren't here.

If they're not, I think they might be one day.

But to believe that the USA could hide it from all mankind is, in my humble opinion, ridiculous.

Totally agree theone, I could not have put it better, we could have a "Conspiracy" thread appearing soon [lol]

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 00:33
Views on government are slightly different on views towards evolution.

We don't know for sure what's going on behind closed doors, but we certainly know of what we're composed of & how we came to be composed.

No....... They are views.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:34
Totally agree theone, I could not have put it better, we could have a "Conspiracy" thread appearing soon [lol]

What is it that you agree with, golach?

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:35
No....... They are views.

Well I fail to see your views as you haven't really presented any.

Present forth to me what your views are.

golach
23-Jan-12, 00:36
What is it that you agree with, golach?

Every thing theone stated, 'e Org has had its share of nutters for a long time pumpkin, and sadly ye dinna come close till them

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 00:37
Well I fail to see your views as you haven't really presented any.

Present forth to me what your views are.

Present forth to me. Who do you think you are. The second coming.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:42
Every thing theone stated, 'e Org has had its share of nutters for a long time pumpkin, and sadly ye dinna come close till them

Nutters? You don't know me. What a childish response.

theone
23-Jan-12, 00:43
Fact is this. There's no need to speak in the manner you're speaking. I'm talking to you like I'd talk to anybody else. I'm not being sarcastic talking about my granny's willy [disgust]

You're great for speaking about facts.

You stated that the USA had proof of, and were hiding the existance of aliens.

Not a fact, an opinion.

You think there's no need to speak in the manner I am? That's an opinion again. Not a fact.


Believe what you want, I have no problem with that. But don't preach "FACTS" which are not backed up with evidence. And a lack of evidence to the contrary is not proof of evidence.



Of course my opinion on what the USA can or can't do is, indeed, my opinion. Thats what I said. I never stated it as fact. But I based that opinion on reason. Maybe you should try that?



Not knowing, or having no proof of something, does not mean there is a a reasonable possibility of it actually existing.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:44
Present forth to me. Who do you think you are. The second coming.

LOL, another childish response. You've obviously got a computer, so google "evolution" & I'm sure you'll find something that'll surely convince you about evolution.

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 00:46
LOL, another childish response. You've obviously got a computer, so google "evolution" & I'm sure you'll find something that'll surely convince you about evolution.

Speak as you would be spoken to. Google this.................Go Forth And Multiply.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:49
You're great for speaking about facts.

You stated that the USA had proof of, and were hiding the existance of aliens.

Not a fact, an opinion.

You think there's no need to speak in the manner I am? That's an opinion again. Not a fact.


Believe what you want, I have no problem with that. But don't preach "FACTS" which are not backed up with evidence. And a lack of evidence to the contrary is not proof of evidence.



Of course my opinion on what the USA can or can't do is, indeed, my opinion. Thats what I said. I never stated it as fact. But I based that opinion on reason. Maybe you should try that?



Not knowing, or having no proof of something, does not mean there is a a reasonable possibility of it actually existing.

So why have so many employees in many sectors of NASA & the US government & the Army stated that there has been contact with aliens & that we're being lied to?
Why have astronauts stated that UFO's & aliens are real?

ducati
23-Jan-12, 00:50
There are no alien spaceships flying around currently. Almost all 'sightings' are easily explained by someone with all the information, such as Phoenix lights; any idiot could tell they were flares once it was pointed out.

However, there is no bliddy way the Egyptians built Pyramids with 1000,000 2 ton stones or the Mayans built their equivalent (for instance). So I'm guessing they had help.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 00:52
Speak as you would be spoken to. Google this.................Go Forth And Multiply.

You're continuing a battle here because you don't believe that we are at one with the universe, when there is clear evidence that we are. Now you're acting petty & refuse to read any information about the subject.

Angel
23-Jan-12, 00:53
Is that a black man driving the bus...
Is that a transsexual sat at the desk...
These things were talked about, debated, argued over for years, shocking once, now we see it everyday...
Could this 'they exist', 'they don't exist' be part of the same slow release thought patterns aimed at conditioning us...
Is that an alien doing my M.O.T.

Is it fear or excitement that we are looking for...



Angel...



Oh and Thanks Pumpkin...

golach
23-Jan-12, 00:54
There are no alien spaceships flying around currently. Almost all 'sightings' are easily explained by someone with all the information, such as Phoenix lights; any idiot could tell they were flares once it was pointed out.

However, there is no bliddy way the Egyptians built Pyramids with 1000,000 2 ton stones or the Mayans built their equivalent (for instance). So I'm guessing they had help.
Who helped, Irish Navvies, they built everything else

ducati
23-Jan-12, 00:56
Who helped, Irish Navvies, they built everything else

Possibly, but I was thinking a little further afield!

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 01:00
You're continuing a battle here because you don't believe that we are at one with the universe, when there is clear evidence that we are. Now you're acting petty & refuse to read any information about the subject.

I do not want to read any information that you suggest. I have said on numerous occassions through this thread. What i have read, and what i believe. If you cannot understand this, in the simple terms i have written it, well.

golach
23-Jan-12, 01:00
Possibly, but I was thinking a little further afield!
Of course I forgot, the Israelites, but are they not also responsible for all the worlds problems to many?

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:02
I do not want to read any information that you suggest. I have said on numerous occassions through this thread. What i have read, and what i believe. If you cannot understand this, in the simple terms i have written it, well.

Well, show me what you've read.

theone
23-Jan-12, 01:04
So why have so many employees in many sectors of NASA & the US government & the Army stated that there has been contact with aliens & that we're being lied to?
Why have astronauts stated that UFO's & aliens are real?

I worked for many years in the nuclear industry.

I have also worked for many years in the oil and gas sector.

What "We" tell "You" is not always 100% true, and what "we" tell "you" is based upon what has to be told, should be told, or shouldn't be told.

Sometimes this was for official reasons. National security, the threat of terrorism etc.

Sometimes it was for financial reasons. Companies like to keep their secrets secret. And their ideas secret. And their plans secret. And their findings secret. That's common business sense.

The US Army/Government have their own reasons for secrets. Of course they keep them.




But for these US employees, and astronots, you say have "revealed" the secret. Where is their proof? What have they shown that PROVES aliens, or that PROVES aliens are being hidden from us by the USA? Or have they just given us their opinion?

Surely, if the USA are capable of hiding this secret (as you have stated as FACT that they can) they would have got rid of these people? Surely they would have a silent helicopter hovering over your house right now to keep this "secret" secret?

That sounds reasonable surely, that an entity powerful enough to hide alien life from 98% of the world they don't inhabit, could shut you and them up?



I say again, if a civilisation could be advanced enough to travel across the universe to visit the earth, the USA would not have the technology, ability or need to hide it from us all. That is my opinion. Fact.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:05
Is that a black man driving the bus...
Is that a transsexual sat at the desk...
These things were talked about, debated, argued over for years, shocking once, now we see it everyday...
Could this 'they exist', 'they don't exist' be part of the same slow release thought patterns aimed at conditioning us...
Is that an alien doing my M.O.T.

Is it fear or excitement that we are looking for...



Angel...



Oh and Thanks Pumpkin...

You're very welcome, Angel :)

It's true though, whatever may seem shocking to us now could well become second nature to us in the not too distant future.

Just because the thought may be frightening that aliens are among us, or the thought that they're watching us, or the very thought of them living as we are on another planet, doesn't mean that it isn't really happening.

Kenn
23-Jan-12, 01:10
Rolling in the aisles here, there are orgers who believe what wikepedia publishes and what Von Danikin wrote, they must be the aliens referred to!

theone
23-Jan-12, 01:13
Is that a black man driving the bus...
Is that a transsexual sat at the desk...
These things were talked about, debated, argued over for years, shocking once, now we see it everyday...
Could this 'they exist', 'they don't exist' be part of the same slow release thought patterns aimed at conditioning us...
Is that an alien doing my M.O.T.

Is it fear or excitement that we are looking for....

Great post Angel.

I believe that, on the subject of aliens, our worldviews will be changed at somepoint.

I don't know when it will happen, or what it will do to us.

But I don't believe that the US government could hide black men driving buses or cross dressers working in offices in their own country, let alone across the globe.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:14
What "We" tell "You" is not always 100% true, and what "we" tell "you" is based upon what has to be told, should be told, or shouldn't be told.

Surely, if the USA are capable of hiding this secret (as you have stated as FACT that they can) they would have got rid of these people? Surely they would have a silent helicopter hovering over your house right now to keep this "secret" secret?

The first highlighted sentence is basically what I've been saying about governmental cosmic secrets. You've just told me that you had to withhold the truth, maybe the government has to, too. Maybe this is for official reasons. National security, the threat of terrorism etc. Maybe it's for financial reasons. Companies (government) like to keep their secrets secret. And their ideas secret. And their plans secret. And their findings secret. That's common business (governmental) sense.

You're second paragraph, now that's conspiracy. Are you saying that a government would take someone out? I think you may have...

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 01:15
Well, show me what you've read.

I can't show what i have read, as it was some years ago now. What you are saying is true. Most probably further down the line. Some scientist will come out with another theory to disprove the the others. because that is all they are. Theories. We could argue until the cows come home. But you will not change my mind. I think all the life that is in the universe, is on this planet, Earth. I am now sick of repeating myself.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:18
I can't show what i have read, as it was some years ago now. What you are saying is true. Most probably further down the line. Some scientist will come out with another theory to disprove the the others. because that is all they are. Theories. We could argue until the cows come home. But you will not change my mind. I think all the life that is in the universe, is on this planet, Earth. I am now sick of repeating myself.

As am I...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6660045/Bacteria-from-Mars-found-inside-ancient-meteorite.html

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 01:23
I am now going to use my perogative.

theone
23-Jan-12, 01:24
The first highlighted sentence is basically what I've been saying about governmental cosmic secrets. You've just told me that you had to withhold the truth, maybe the government has to, too. Maybe this is for official reasons. National security, the threat of terrorism etc. Maybe it's for financial reasons. Companies (government) like to keep their secrets secret. And their ideas secret. And their plans secret. And their findings secret. That's common business (governmental) sense.




I don't doubt for a second that it might be in US interests to keep alien life secret.

But that whole theory would be based on the aliens ONLY showing themselves to Americans. Not just that, but ONLY to Americans involved in the government conspiricy.

Why would they do that? Where's the reason? What is the statistical likelyhood?

Take the number of people in the world, and compare it with the number employed in secret levels within the US government. You've probably got more chance of scoring the winner in the world cup final, for San Marino, with a 90 yard header from a meteorite.

That is why I believe the whole idea is ridiculous.

If aliens want to visit, and can visit, then they will. And no government will be able to stop them. That is my opinion, if not exaggerated (slightly).

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:32
I am now going to use my perogative.

Here's another;

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html

I (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html)t's not solid proof, but it's leaning towards the theory that life came from Mars, as does my previous link.

theone
23-Jan-12, 01:36
Here's another;

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html

I (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html)t's not solid proof, but it's leaning towards the theory that life came from Mars, as does my previous link.

But it is also TOTALLY contrary to your "FACT" that the US government are hiding the existance of alien life.

So which is it?

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:41
I don't doubt for a second that it might be in US interests to keep alien life secret.

But that whole theory would be based on the aliens ONLY showing themselves to Americans. Not just that, but ONLY to Americans involved in the government conspiricy.

Why would they do that? Where's the reason? What is the statistical likelyhood?

Take the number of people in the world, and compare it with the number employed in secret levels within the US government. You've probably got more chance of scoring the winner in the world cup final, for San Marino, with a 90 yard header from a meteorite.

That is why I believe the whole idea is ridiculous.

If aliens want to visit, and can visit, then they will. And no government will be able to stop them. That is my opinion, if not exaggerated (slightly).

Why is it so ridiculous that aliens may have only shown themselves to Americans? I never said that they had or hadn't. But maybe it's because America is leading the race in destroying the planet & fighting to form a One World Government (allegedly). Whether they're forming a OWG or not, they're certainly leading the way destroying, controlling & brainwashing our race. I'd say that's a pretty good reason if the aliens visited only America.

What if, aliens are a simple, basic race, like us. & they are time travellers. Richard Dawkins spoke of space travel, in theory it's relatively simple, apparently, maybe this is it. Maybe the aliens are just like us, but rather a few steps further up the ladder.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 01:43
But it is also TOTALLY contrary to your "FACT" that the US government are hiding the existance of alien life.

So which is it?

How do you figure that one out, theone? That's a link suggesting that our life came from an asteroid from Mars.

I fail to see your point here.

theone
23-Jan-12, 01:58
How do you figure that one out, theone? That's a link suggesting that our life came from an asteroid from Mars.

I fail to see your point here.

My point is that you believe the US government's aim is to hide alien life to us.

Then you post a link from NASA, the US government, trying to prove alien life.

Which is it?

linnie612
23-Jan-12, 01:59
But that whole theory would be based on the aliens ONLY showing themselves to Americans. Not just that, but ONLY to Americans involved in the government conspiricy.

Why would they do that? Where's the reason?


US film industry - they love all that guff!;)


Seriously though, we all have our own opinions, and that's all they are - opinions. Pumkin, I don't know why you are getting so wound up.

theone
23-Jan-12, 02:04
US film industry - they love all that guff!;)


Seriously though, we all have our own opinions, and that's all they are - opinions. Pumkin, I don't know why you are getting so wound up.

It's sad, but that's about the best logical reason there can be for it.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 02:08
My point is that you believe the US government's aim is to hide alien life to us.

Then you post a link from NASA, the US government, trying to prove alien life.

Which is it?

No. The link's I posted were to prove to shazzap that evolution is real. The link's state that bacteria came from an asteroid on Mars, came to earth, & this is where our life came from. It's just proving where we came from, us, humans. Human life developed due to an asteroid from Mars which had bacteria on it. THAT'S what those links say, nothing less & nothing more.

I do believe that the US Government are hiding cosmic truths from us, & I've stated my reasons. Maybe it's to protect us, or maybe it's to gain more power & control.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 02:11
US film industry - they love all that guff!;)


Seriously though, we all have our own opinions, and that's all they are - opinions. Pumkin, I don't know why you are getting so wound up.

linnie612, welcome to the discussion.

Wound up? You seem to be missing the debate here. I'm not getting wound up. I could've reacted to many a childish comment on this thread. Wouldn't you agree? But I never reacted, I sat back & gave my views & my opinions. They maybe a bit heavy, but anything's possible.

Now that you're here, linnie612, what's your take on the matter?

theone
23-Jan-12, 02:13
No. The link's I posted were to prove to shazzap that evolution is real. The link's state that bacteria came from an asteroid on Mars, came to earth, & this is where our life came from. It's just proving where we came from, us, humans. Human life developed due to an asteroid from Mars which had bacteria on it. THAT'S what those links say, nothing less & nothing more.

I do believe that the US Government are hiding cosmic truths from us, & I've stated my reasons. Maybe it's to protect us, or maybe it's to gain more power & control.

NO.

The links you posted, from NASA, the US government, suggested that life existed outside our plant. By definition, "Alien" life. Not only that, but that this "Alien" life was now on earth.

Earlier, on this thread, clear to see for all, you stated that it was the US government's intent to hide alien life from us.

In fact, you told us it was "FACT".

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 02:33
NO.

The links you posted, from NASA, the US government, suggested that life existed outside our plant. By definition, "Alien" life. Not only that, but that this "Alien" life was now on earth.

Earlier, on this thread, clear to see for all, you stated that it was the US government's intent to hide alien life from us.

In fact, you told us it was "FACT".

When I started this thread, I thought it was pretty clear to see that I was talking about intelligent life. & the fact that we as a race may have communicated with intelligent life. The intelligent life that the US Government is possibly keeping secret from us.

Now these links were meant to prove that we, as a race, derived from Mars. Proof, of evolution.

You're knit picking here, theone.

EDDIE
23-Jan-12, 08:02
I dont think there were alone in this universe we just dont have the tech yet to prove it because were all to busy interfeing with other country affairs instead of working together.
But i often wonder if u go up to space there must be an end and how did all the plants space life its self appeared it didnt just spring out of no were.

Phill
23-Jan-12, 10:35
To be fair it is a subject that should be approached with an open mind, however if you open you mind too much your brains fall out.

http://www.freewebs.com/marsonline/LGM.jpg

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 10:58
To be fair it is a subject that should be approached with an open mind, however if you open you mind too much your brains fall out.

http://www.freewebs.com/marsonline/LGM.jpg

Ha ha. Is that your brain, or aliens.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 12:46
I dont think there were alone in this universe we just dont have the tech yet to prove it because were all to busy interfeing with other country affairs instead of working together.
But i often wonder if u go up to space there must be an end and how did all the plants space life its self appeared it didnt just spring out of no were.

This is pretty much it, we need to stop fighting with each other & start working together.

Your last sentence speaks of evolution. All the planets came about thanks to evolution. But then the question,"Where did the Big Bang come from"? appears.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 19:12
These are just a couple, of interesting articles about strange shaped skulls that have been found;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063486/Alien-skull-Peru-Mystery-giant-headed-mummy-city-Andahuaylillas.html

E (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063486/Alien-skull-Peru-Mystery-giant-headed-mummy-city-Andahuaylillas.html)xcerpt from article -
Davila Riquelme said three anthropologists, from Spain and Russia, arrived at the museum last week to investigate the findings and agreed it was ‘not a human being’ and would conduct further studies.

& another, more informative read;

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_6.htm
(http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_6.htm)
This article gives a non-biased approach.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/skulls_ica.jpg

http://www.world-mysteries.com/skull_sc2.jpg

http://www.world-mysteries.com/skull_peru.jpg

Phill
23-Jan-12, 19:14
Ha ha. Is that your brain, or aliens.Careful! Do not be dismissive of LGM's

George Brims
23-Jan-12, 19:48
Why then. Is there so many different life forms, on this planet.
Many different life forms but they are all based on the same DNA molecule. Think how many different things you can build out of Lego!

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 19:54
Many different life forms but they are all based on the same DNA molecule. Think how many different things you can build out of Lego!

Yes, we all come from the same seed.

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 20:06
Many different life forms but they are all based on the same DNA molecule. Think how many different things you can build out of Lego!

I don't play with lego. :roll::lol:

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 20:08
Careful! Do not be dismissive of LGM's

I don't know if it's my fuddled Thyroid brain. But, can't think what. LGM's are.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 20:09
I don't play with lego. :roll::lol:

It shows, you need an imagination to play with lego...

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 20:13
It shows, you need an imagination to play with lego...

Look you. I do not want to engage with you, so go and get a life. Instead of trying to wind every one up. This is my last communication with you. I will now do, what is the best thing to do with,.......... can't put on here. Planned ignore.

pumkin
23-Jan-12, 20:26
Look you. I do not want to engage with you, so go and get a life. Instead of trying to wind every one up. This is my last communication with you. I will now do, what is the best thing to do with,.......... can't put on here. Planned ignore.

Look you? Go get a life? If that's how you want to communicate with other people then so be it. If you don't want to engage with me then why are you on this thread? I, along with others have explained evolution to you but you refuse to even read the information put in front of you. You seem, in one word, stubborn. You've not given anything to this thread so I don't really know why you're here. All throughout this thread you've been rude, immature & petty. I could've reacted, several times infact, but I never. Now I have, because I find your manner, child like.

Now, I've got a life, a pretty good life too as it happens, & for you to assume otherwise is wrong. & also, I haven't tried to wind anybody up.

Anyway, goodbye, shazzap.

shazzap
23-Jan-12, 20:44
It's a hap hap happy day.
Toodle loodle loodle loodle all the way. or words to that effect.

weezer 316
23-Jan-12, 21:35
Right, in one post, here is the history of the universe (from our perspective)

Big bang. What caused it, why it banged, what happened before we dont know. But something went bang and it creted this unsivere. That we know.

Then inflation. Universe expanded at many times the speed of light. Alan Guth at MIT once quoted a number in mph that took him about 25 seconds to finish. Beats the Thurso to inverness bus easily.

No matter was produced only energy. The infinitesimly small universe straight after the big bang you had nothing but pure energy. the temperature was something uncountable and the density also.

Einsteins E=MC2 kicks in. In the correct conditions matter is created from pure energy. Or rather quarks do stuff im not sure about and you end up with protons and nuetrons.

Not a single atom yet exists. That doesnt happen until about half a million years after the big bang when hydrogen can form with protons can capture electrons to form hydrogen. This even also marks the furthest back thing we can see, the Cosmic microwave background radiation.

From there gravity does the rest. Stars and planets from. Planets form from stuff the early stars spew out in supernovas. If you didnt know it already every atom in your body wa cooked up in a massive star somewhere and spunked out insto space in an explosion.


We still have many questions though.......

secrets in symmetry
26-Jan-12, 22:44
Ouch! There are many mistakes in that summary weezy....

If you're interested in learning more, I'm told Alan Guth's book Inflationary Universe (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inflationary-Universe-Theory-Cosmic-Origins/dp/009995950X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327614055&sr=1-1) is good. I haven't read it myself, but it's on my reading list.

oldmarine
28-Jan-12, 01:06
The USA has done a tremendous job of covering up the evidence related to aliens landing in the New Mexico desert. Doesn't that smell like a dead rat?

pumkin
28-Jan-12, 11:41
The USA has done a tremendous job of covering up the evidence related to aliens landing in the New Mexico desert. Doesn't that smell like a dead rat?

I agree.

NASA's astronauts are now speaking about their experience's with what they've seen & experienced. Carl Sagan also has a lot of insights into E.T's contact with human's, particularly the Sumerian's.

You know the Voyager 1 & 2 spacecraft's? They've got message's from earth aboard them. Included in that are 55 languages, the first language is Sumerian.

There's a lot out there for people to read to make their own conclusion.

I like the response I've received for this thread :)

ducati
28-Jan-12, 13:26
I agree.

NASA's astronauts are now speaking about their experience's with what they've seen & experienced. Carl Sagan also has a lot of insights into E.T's contact with human's, particularly the Sumerian's.

You know the Voyager 1 & 2 spacecraft's? They've got message's from earth aboard them. Included in that are 55 languages, the first language is Sumerian.

There's a lot out there for people to read to make their own conclusion.

I like the response I've received for this thread :)

Like all visionaries, Pumpkin, your are considered a nutter! Well, by me anyway.

pumkin
28-Jan-12, 13:52
Like all visionaries, Pumpkin, your are considered a nutter! Well, by me anyway.

Why? Because I think for myself? Because I can actually think outside of the spectrum? Because I can see further than you?

I'm not a nutter, merely a traveller travelling the A - Z of evolution.

BTW - my name is pumkin

secrets in symmetry
28-Jan-12, 14:02
Like all visionaries, Pumpkin, your are considered a nutter! Well, by me anyway.Now, now ducati. You know you're not allowed to call nutters nutters on this forum - unless you want to be attacked by the deluded, the wilfully ignorant, or by tree hugging hippy chicks!

therealducati
28-Jan-12, 14:13
Given the size and age of the universe that we can actually detect already (and it is a probably lot bigger than that) I personally think that the chances of Earth being the only place to harbour intelligent life are infinitesimally small and it is incredibly arrogant to assume otherwise. However, assuming that there are other intelligent, space faring races out there at the moment, who have solved the apparently insurmountable speed of light barrier (and yes, I know that CERN may have detected some faster than light particles) why on Earth (hee hee) would they want to visit a small, insignificant planet on the edge of a minor arm of a mediocre galaxy. Is it worth all that expense and time just to anally probe hillbillies?
To comment on the other topic that this thread seems to be covering: - how come some (I know it’s not all) those of a religious persuasion find it impossible to conceive of the natural (for want of a better word) occurrence of the Big Bang, but have no trouble accepting the existence of an incredibly complex, sentient, omniscient being (or beings) who presumably has either always existed or who also came into existance at some point?

teddybear1873
28-Jan-12, 14:25
Yahoo News: A cube deep below the Antarctic could help scientists understand how the universe began.
Oh crap, here comes Megatron.

teddybear1873
28-Jan-12, 14:33
The USA has done a tremendous job of covering up the evidence related to aliens landing in the New Mexico desert. Doesn't that smell like a dead rat?

According to US state department figures, in 2010 some 350,000 Alien Relative Visas were granted.

Area 51 must be busting at the seams

pumkin
29-Jan-12, 15:06
An overview of this thread would indicate that orgers do believe that there is intelligent life outwith this planet. I understand the difference in opinion regarding whether a government knows of this or not.

There have been civilisations, such as the maya, sumerians, egyptians just to name a few that lived in a very advanced society.

Carl Sagan & Voyager (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds5.htm)

T (http://Carl Sagan & Voyager)he above article focuses on Carl Sagan & his believe that aliens communicated with humans thousands of years ago. Obviously, there is no concrete proof, but there's certainly a lot of question marks at some of the hieroglyphics, pyramids etc.

Another interesting piece in the article is the route that the voyager spacecraft's are taking.

Whether or not, we've been visited this last 60 or so years, is it such a ridiculous thought that maybe we've been visited 1000's of years ago? & the record's of this maybe in hieroglyphics?