School Suspension

[wilma]

If a child misbehaves at school what do you think their punishment should be? is a day or two's suspension a lesson to be learned?

[kitty]

i don't know really, sometimes i'm sure that the kids like to be suspended because it gives them some time off school, it really depends on how the parents handle it once the child is home, some kids will get into trouble and learn from it but others will just keep getting themselves into bother

[henry20]

I guess it depends what they've done and as Kitty said, whether they are going to enjoy the days off or be 'punished' at home.

[Naefearjustbeer]

If the childs behavior is caused by his or her home situation then being sent home for a couple of days will probally only make things worse. However if the parents are prepared to work with and support the school then maybe the child will learn a valuable lesson.
It is a shame for the kids that are interessted in learning and working in class to suffer the bad behaviour of the select few bad ones. Keeping all children in mainstream classes is wrong in my opinion. The ones that have special needs should be given the specialist (individual if needed) attention they require to get the best from school and not cause disruption for the rest of the class.

[MGB1979]

A sound thrashing would do them a power of good but I don't think even parents can get away with that these days. :roll:

[danc1ngwitch]

Nope thats like a day off... and some children might consider it kool to be in the light of suspension, sad but true... Understand where the problem lies... try and understand the reasons behind the bad behaviour, what triggered it etc etc... sometimes there is more to the story than what we get... I was young and another girl kept hitting me, she was bigger and every day she hit and kicked me, Teachers did not hear me when i trye to tell guess they had a hearing problem then... So my older brother said hit the girl back and u will get peace.. That day i walked by her all shy in the clockroom, she kicked me and laughed, i took hold of her hair and hung on the teacher came to take me off and u know what that teacher never listened to my side of the story... So please please listen first and punish later... some things are not as it seems... I should not have pulled the girls hair but even to this day she will not pass without saying hello... ( let us open our ears ) ... communication, understanding, learning right from wrong...x

[Naefearjustbeer]

A sound thrashing would do them a power of good but I don't think even parents can get away with that these days. :roll:
In some cases that may well do the trick, However in a lot of cases it may well be the thrashings they recieve at home is the root cause of the problems they exibit at school. To send a child home for a couple of extra days of beatings at the hands of parents is no way to help the child.

[Kaishowing]

Like everyone else has said...It depends on what the child has done.
Personally I think detentions and 'doing lines' was a fairly good but mild punishment.
I'm not the type to shout..."Bring back hanging!!", but I think it was a huge mistake in the educational system to ban corporal punishment.
Nowadays the pupil can openly assault a teacher in front of the whole class, and the teacher is forbidden by law to respond.
Let alone that some 'kids' tower over some teachers, and act little more than thugs with a 'so what ya goin to do about it?' attitude.
But to get back to the original question, suspension is appropriate in certain cases....depending on the particular circumstances, and the attitude of the student.
After all, it is meant to be a punishment...not just an extra holiday!

[danc1ngwitch]

In some cases that may well do the trick, However in a lot of cases it may well be the thrashings they recieve at home is the root cause of the problems they exibit at school. To send a child home for a couple of extra days of beatings at the hands of parents is no way to help the child.

This could be very real, and its scary to think that but it has a ring of truth to it...Sad, I know i got a lot of good thumpings when i was growing up and I do not for the life of me know why my mum was able to do that...My father never once layed a hand on us ever...I think u hit the nail on the head there.x

[angela5]

That all depends on the parent/parents at home, if a child is suspended for whatever reason then the parent should make sure they are not lying around all day playing the ps2 or watching dvd's as that is no real punishment.
I would prefer if that was my child sending them to school on an in-service day.:D

[danc1ngwitch]

Yea i can see some children being all high with attitude, but there are ways to deal with that but its probably a fine line. No child likes to be humiliated and maybe thats not right to humiliate another but !!! ah well u know this is a hard one lol really it is... i am going to read this thread as it goes, see what comes out of this ..

[Tubthumper]

I remember corporal punishment at school. Strangely, it was always the same people who got the belt, you would think that a deterrent would serve to deter, but not in this case.
I always thought the idea was for schools to offer education to children, to draw them in, to enthuse them, to promote and maintain the DESIRE to learn about the big world they exist in and help them prepare for a constructive & useful future.
I reckon too often it becomes a fight between the teachers trying to meet targets and with insufficient time/resources/energy to properly take on the role of 'educator' or 'mentor', and the kids who basically get conditioned into resisting/questioning in a very unconstructive way.
Both sides get locked into a kind of cycle, then any hope of a pleasurable & useful experience for either side goes out the window.
Mind you it's never been very different really, except nowadays they have guns.
I blame society.

[squidge]

I think that the effect of suspension lessens the less the parents care. Also young people have an attitude sometimes - sometimes they are born with it. My 16 year old is TERRIBLE!!!! he has been like that since he was a wee boy. He doesnt suffer fools gladly and he lets them know about it. Not such a problems when the fool is another kid but a bit more of a problem when the fool is a teacher. He also has last worditis and will stand his ground and argue very forcefully with someone if he thinks they are wrong or being unfair. Sometimes he does it even when he knows he is wrong. Thats ok when he is arguing with me and i know he is a wee sweetie really and wouldnt hurt a fly but it might be more difficult when its a teacher that he is arguing with. Especially if the teacher is a woman and 5 foot tall as he is 6' 3 and a muscley sort of guy - I imagine he can be quite intimidating. I struggle to get him to shut up and stop being so "in your face" sometimes and its a lesson he will need to learn or someone is going to give him a thump eventually. Kids eh? I wish they came with an instruction manual

[danc1ngwitch]

He doesnt suffer fools gladly and he lets them know about it.
Cough cough, as i read this from the previous post by squidge, I giggled, i should not have but there is something i beleive in ( spend no seasons wea a fool ). But then Who are we to judge )... Tricky hu?

[cuddlepop]

The punishment should fit the crime.All to often suspensions are handed out for apparent flouting of school rules the main one being refusal to wear school uniforms.Investigations are rarely carried out properly before the child is sent home.All circumstances/situations should be looked at individually before a suspension is put in place.
In our school they operate a two tierd approach.If your parent is working then you have to sit outside a deputy heads office with written work.If you continue to misbehave the said parent has to arrange cover so that the child can be sent home.In some cases it works, in others the child is home alone because the parent cannot take time off work.Thereby creating another situation.
If the suspension is for more than a day or two, provision has to be met for that child to be educated thereby incuring more costs to an over stretched
budget:confused
Nobody wins.

[pultneytooner]

What happens when a kid gets suspended and both the parents work?

[paris]

Punishment should be carried out at school,,,,,,,,,,, punishment should fit the crime, when my kids were in trouble at school i felt like i was the one being punished when they had to stay home for whatever reason.
Bring back the slipper/ belt / cane.....JOKE before anyone bites my head of ! jan x:Razz

[Phoenix200416]

I don't think suspending kids from school these days really works. I agree with what Kitty says. Most kids enjoy being suspended because they get time off school and can do what they like. And don't think that will help stop the ''bad'' behaviour at all. Also parents these days aren't allowed to be as strict as they used to be. Hell, when I was in school is I had gotten suspended I would have got a sound crack across the backside and wouldn't have been allowed to leave my room. A sound crack round the backside never did me any harm as a kid and I definately learnt what I could and could not do.

[cuddlepop]

Pultneytooner I dont Know what happens if both parents work. In the cases I know of the familys have been one parent.

[martin macdonald]

birch them...spare the rod spoil the child.....:Razz

[angela5]

I think if parents/parent works then the first day of suspension the child remains in school in a room of their own working, after that the parent has to make arragements out-with the school for that child. Not too sure if thats right but i'm sure i heard/read that somewhere.:confused

[Ricco]

If a child misbehaves at school what do you think their punishment should be? is a day or two's suspension a lesson to be learned?

Ours range between 1 and 5 days, depending on the severity of the 'crime' or how many 'crimes' they have committed.

[Fraser Macleod]

Discipline is something that children learn, just like they learn to walk or swim or string sentences together or to do biochemical calculations, and like so many of the things children have to learn (with the exception of biochemistry ;)) they learn from their parents, If your going to discuss the diminishing efficiency of the punishment stystems in modern schooling you should first probably discuss the diminishing parental values in sectors of modern british society (and that is meant as offence to no one) that lead to children going to school without an understanding of the appropriate way to behave or accept discipline for their actions - and although this isnt a problem when theyre at primary school and theyre still young, it becomes very obvious very quickly in high schools. Therefore teachers already are disadvanteged when it comes to trying to deal with certain children, and for that reason ive the greatest respect for any teachers because no matter what you say about the education 99% of teachers are still giveing 100% of their efforts to their students, whilst i agree with the opinion that time should be taken to hear every side of an argument and to think through exactly what has happened before acting its not always appropriate or possible in a full class of students so the answer is suspension, but of course the children who are being put on suspension are the ones going to back to homes that gave them an upbringing causing them to act that way in school in the first place (again no offence meant, if your child has ever been suspended, these are simply sweeping observation and not exact circumstances) so to rely on suspension as a serious punishment seems in ways ludicrous.

perhaps, institutes like Airport House in wick (a centre specifcally for pupils deemed unteachable in ordianry schooling) are a better way to go, with children being taught by teachers and social workers (another profession i have great respect for, who will also work with the family of the child directly) however there are issues associated with the psychology of putting children with those mental characteristics in an area of isolation like that.

I guess in a very long winded and round about kind of way im trying to point out that perhaps we shouldnt be blaming our youngest generation for theis behavious but our generation the generation that gave birth to them and their faults and for bringing them into this modern society where children, our children laugh at in the faces of any and evry authourity figure

[Tristan]

What happens when a kid gets suspended and both the parents work?

I think the parents are responsible for them. They would have take time off work or get a babysitter.