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riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 07:40
thank the lord all that drivel is over, it brings cheer to some but misery to more,



IT SHOULD BE CANCELLED

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 10:49
i didnt get any gifts as i dont need anything, i also didnt enjoy a nice meal or any other type of meal,

its an over rated consumer rip off, and should be banned, a complete waste of money, many poor and lonely children could be fed and kept warm with the money wasted on ths farce

lexie
26-Dec-11, 10:49
its what you make it yourself..

we had a lovely family day and was glad and thankfull to have them there to enjoy it with us.

so what did you do with any gifts you recieved... hand them back? ... just wondering.....

billmoseley
26-Dec-11, 10:51
Ok so you don't believe in the Christmas story neither do i, but i have had a wonderful time having a break from work some lovely food and great company. wether you believe or not this time of the year is special. Riggerboy if you can't have fun at this time of year i would take a serious look at your life.

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 10:57
its what you make it yourself..

we had a lovely family day and was glad and thankfull to have them there to enjoy it with us.

so what did you do with any gifts you recieved... hand them back? ... just wondering.....


hello are your eyes painted on, you should read the statement, i didnt get nor did i give any gifts,

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 10:59
Ok so you don't believe in the Christmas story neither do i, but i have had a wonderful time having a break from work some lovely food and great company. wether you believe or not this time of the year is special. Riggerboy if you can't have fun at this time of year i would take a serious look at your life.

i dont need to take a look at my life, its just fine as it is, if you all want to be explioted by what has become a huge rip off, then i suggest you need to take a look at your own life, how sad must you be to celebrate a 2000 year old lie,

billmoseley
26-Dec-11, 11:07
i dont need to take a look at my life, its just fine as it is, if you all want to be explioted by what has become a huge rip off, then i suggest you need to take a look at your own life, how sad must you be to celebrate a 2000 year old lie, I don't celebrate a 2000 year old lie i celebrate having a family and friends and a well earned rest after a long hard years work. Rip me off i think not Scrooge has nothing on me lololol

orkneycadian
26-Dec-11, 12:34
I'm with you on this one Riggerboy.

Over this side of the stream, we have a council who say they have no money to pay for care wardens for our elderly, but no shortage of it to pay men to go out and erect Christmas trees and lights all over the county, then go and tear them all down again in January.

Yep, I saw my family yesterday, but then, we don't need a commercial extravaganza to have a meet up and a family meal - It happens fairly often throughout the year.

And I do laugh when I read about those that talk about a well earned break after a years work - Whilst typing "Anyone know of any garages / post offices / shops / pubs / restaurants that are open today so I can spend my leisure time whilst the others running these places work?"

It would be one thing if all those indulging in Christmas were actually celebrating the original meaning of Christmas. But very few do.

shazzap
26-Dec-11, 13:32
My OH and i, didn't get any presents either. I tell everyone, every year. No cards, no gifts. I buy the grandkids, and thats it.

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 13:47
I don't celebrate a 2000 year old lie i celebrate having a family and friends and a well earned rest after a long hard years work. Rip me off i think not Scrooge has nothing on me lololol

o i see so you can only have your friends ansd family round during the rip off season, i have mine round almost monthly, some even weekly, we dont need to wait for something to be on to visit and see each other, as for a rest dont you have holidays during the summer???

as i said a complete waste of time and money, next thing will be the newyear, al load of unwelcome vistors knocking on yer door, wanting free drink and nibbles once again folk will be running round spending money they can ill afford for an anti climax that will leaving them reeeling in debt for the next 12 months, then it will start all over again

Angel
26-Dec-11, 13:48
It is true, Christmas has been made into a commercial enterprise but, if only a fraction of the 'Christ thing' has entered into the lives of others then what is the harm.
Money is as valuable as you want it to be, it's no good in the bank, enjoy it, give gifts, have parties and celebrate the life you and others you love have.
Good food and drink with good company is life and with a little 'Christ' in there, adds the magic...

Angel...

redeyedtreefrog
26-Dec-11, 13:55
o i see so you can only have your friends ansd family round during the rip off season, i have mine round almost monthly, some even weekly

What? You have friends? D:

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 14:01
yes i understand that the money has only the value to which you put on it, but what gets me is why o why do we feel the need to do this sort of thing and this time of year, i have regular parties with friends alomst every weekend, i dont have to wait until christmas to have them, is it maybe they are held at this time of year because it seems to be socially acceptable to behave like complete twats and throw all caution to the wind only to have reality kick in at the end of january when the bills start rolling in, do you know that all this christmas cheer brings the busiest time for the phone line to the samaratins, weres the good will to all men ????? did anyone actually stop for a moment and give £50 to the homeless, i bet there isnt many, too busy setting themselves up for the big anti climax, to care about the real reason behind christmas,

good will to all men,

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 14:02
yip thought you were one,

och well thats you on the naughty list no summer bbq for you

shazzap
26-Dec-11, 14:06
yes i understand that the money has only the value to which you put on it, but what gets me is why o why do we feel the need to do this sort of thing and this time of year, i have regular parties with friends alomst every weekend, i don't have to wait until christmas to have them, is it maybe they are held at this time of year because it seems to be socially acceptable to behave like complete twats and throw all caution to the wind only to have reality kick in at the end of january when the bills start rolling in, do you know that all this christmas cheer brings the busiest time for the phone line to the samaratins, weres the good will to all men ????? did anyone actually stop for a moment and give £50 to the homeless, i bet there isnt many, too busy setting themselves up for the big anti climax, to care about the real reason behind christmas,

good will to all men,

I don't believe in the so called real reason, behind xmas either. Buts that topic, has been done to death. We all have to agree, to disagree on that one.

lexie
26-Dec-11, 14:16
hello are your eyes painted on, you should read the statement, i didnt get nor did i give any gifts,

No, my eyes are not painted on.. they are real. I miss read your statment, it happens, hecky you do like the sound of your own voice don't you!I do not celebrate a 2000 year old lie.. i celebrate having friends and family, and reflect on friends and loved ones that are no longer with us,I certainly don't feel exploited or ripped off. "cut cloth according to means"

I give to a charity of my choice at christmas and throughout the year, not to make me feel good but through choice, my family get a bit less.


I read your posts, shake my head and think.. what a sad, sad person to have an attitude like yours! My opinion, Im entitled!

Alrock
26-Dec-11, 14:44
http://thepsychedelicsewingroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/uncle_sam_by_noistar.jpg

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 15:34
I read your posts, shake my head and think.. what a sad, sad person to have an attitude like yours! My opinion, Im entitled![/QUOTE]


your right there lexie opinions are like the things we poop out of everyone has one and no ones else suits us,

i am in fact not a sad sad man but the very opposite,

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 15:35
http://thepsychedelicsewingroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/uncle_sam_by_noistar.jpg

how very very true,

riggerboy
26-Dec-11, 15:42
Ive heard an aweful lot of rubbish in my days but saying christmas is a commercial rip off is bull, yes i understand they promote it non stop on the tv & internet but no one forces people to buy anything, Its not like they have a gun held to your head saying buy this & buy that, to me christmas has nothing to do with religion as i could care less about it, nor the gifts, dont get me wrong it is nice to give & recieve presents but thats not whats important, having a good time with your family comes first & if you did not even have that riggerboy then you strike me as someone who is very lonely, i do hope you at least had a cooked meal with your family but if not then trust me, even that is more than full filling than sitting by yourself on christmas day, also rigger boy i do not know where Good Will To All Men means you have top hand out £50 notes here & there, i think you will find that means been polite to people should you pass them in the street, wish all of your friends a merry christmas & stuff like that, charity never goes amiss though

i am anything but lonely, i have 2 lovely grandchildren 2 sons, and a very close outer family that i see daily,friends that i see everyday, people i can turn to when i`m hurt and people who turn to me when in need,
if good will means saying hello, that would be easy, how many times have you walked past a homeless person and turned your nose up at them, how many times have you shaken your head when a homeless person steals from a shop, i would guess hundreds, by saying hello does that help, i think not, your goodwill, is about as much good as a goodby, its worthless,

as for your outlook on christmas, how can you sit there and say christmas has nothing to do with religion, with that statement i think you are the reason that christmas has become the consumer rip of that it is,
are you telling me you havent bought anything that you dont need ??????

teddybear1873
26-Dec-11, 15:48
I remember being a bairn and my parents filling my head with nonsense, like Santa, the Easter bunny and the Tooth fairy etc.

Well now that I'm older I don't fall for that lies anymore, thank God. :D

Torvaig
26-Dec-11, 16:04
As often happens at this time of year, I wrote a long spiel about Christmas, its meaning (or not) to us all.

The squabbles, the debt, the over-indulgence and the myth that everybody enjoys it.

But now I admit I am tired of writing the same spiel over and over again just as I am tired of reading the same spiel of others over and over again.

To those who genuinely enjoy it for what it stands for, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
To the rest of us, BAH HUMBUG. :confused

DrChin
26-Dec-11, 16:36
thank the lord all that drivel is over, it brings cheer to some but misery to more,



IT SHOULD BE CANCELLED

riggerboy, is this you giving your Grandson a Treat for Christmas, Bah Humbug!

http://i.imgur.com/zF8T5.jpg

Mystical Potato Head
26-Dec-11, 17:22
As often happens at this time of year, I wrote a long spiel about Christmas, its meaning (or not) to us all.

The squabbles, the debt, the over-indulgence and the myth that everybody enjoys it.

But now I admit I am tired of writing the same spiel over and over again just as I am tired of reading the same spiel of others over and over again.

To those who genuinely enjoy it for what it stands for, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
To the rest of us, BAH HUMBUG. :confused

Its just the usual "my opinion is the correct one and everyone else is wrong"
There are those who,over the years have had immediate family members die suddenly over the festive season,it certainly brings sadness
instead of happiness.Sadly i know only too well how that feels but it hasnt turned me into such a miserable sod as the OP to begrudge anyone who wishes to
celebrate Christmas in whatever fashion they wish and for whatever reason,right or wrong that they wish.

lexie
26-Dec-11, 22:09
I read your posts, shake my head and think.. what a sad, sad person to have an attitude like yours! My opinion, Im entitled!


your right there lexie opinions are like the things we poop out of everyone has one and no ones else suits us,

i am in fact not a sad sad man but the very opposite,[/QUOTE]





:roll:... your attitude is sad ......

Corrie 3
26-Dec-11, 22:13
:roll:... your attitude is sad ......
And what about the millions of Muslims in the World who think the same as RB? Are they sad as well?

C3..............:roll:

lexie
26-Dec-11, 22:18
enough for me ... in this forum... if you have an opinion your shot down in flames... just have to agree to disagree.... and let all the regulars "quote each other" !!! .. good bye the org .. not for me... just a lot of arguments .. and not really worth the bother ...

golach
26-Dec-11, 22:19
And what about the millions of Muslims in the World who think the same as RB? Are they sad as well?C3..............:roll:

Dont forget us atheists, we are not sad either. [lol]

Mystical Potato Head
26-Dec-11, 23:20
And what about the millions of Muslims in the World who think the same as RB? Are they sad as well?

C3..............:roll:

There are probably a million or two who would rejoice in you,me and every other orger being blown up for no other reason than were from the West,so yes,some of them are very sad.
They are also intolerant of any opinion that doesnt comform to their own life idiology so they would definately feel at home in the inner sanctum of the most Holy Clique of orgers who have the same mentality
. Barak ' allah

Dadie
27-Dec-11, 00:37
Well we had a good day...spent lots on the kids and saw the wonder on their faces after they thought Santa had been!
Although I had to have an emergency call from Santa tonight...Iona thought now that he had been it was ok to go back to being "DIRTY" and peeing herself etc...
as she was being clean and dry for Santa!
But they loved giving gifts as well as getting, and isnt the giving part of the original Christmas story?
It was also a time for family...staying and playing and working(child labour with sprouts) together.
As for those that do not believe in santa or Christ, do they not believe its a time to get together with family and friends and have fun and remember good times and have a laugh?

theone
27-Dec-11, 00:46
I remember being a bairn and my parents filling my head with nonsense, like Santa, the Easter bunny and the Tooth fairy etc.

Well now that I'm older I don't fall for that lies anymore, thank God. :D

Thank God???

GOD???

I'm glad I'm older and don't fall for THOSE lies anymore ;)

squidge
27-Dec-11, 11:43
Christmas can be anything you want it to be. Like rigger i too see my immediate family much of the time, however others live far away and having the time and the planning to be together is a delight. Whether you believe in the true meaning of Christmas or not is up to you. I like to make our Christmas a time for celebrating the love I have for those who love me. They know it every day of the year but for our family Christmas is a time to celebrate that with a meal which I cook with love, gifts that we give with love and time to enjoy it.I have loved having Santa back visiting our house with the babies and I try hard to avoid the commercialism that drives everyone into a frenzy of spending. Dont always succeed like but hey ho. Christmas can be an awful time and it has been for me too. Waking up alone on Christmas day, bereavement and miscarriage and being skint have all made Christmas difficult at different times and will do again Im sure but, for me, for now, Christmas means celebration of all the things that make me happy.... My family and love.

Phill
27-Dec-11, 12:04
There are probably a million or two who would rejoice in you,me and every other orger being blown up for no other reason than were from the West,so yes,some of them are very sad.They are also intolerant of any opinion that doesnt comform to their own life idiology..........Hmm, interesting assumptions. Get them from the Daily Mail or an EDL newsletter?

tonkatojo
27-Dec-11, 12:43
thank the lord all that drivel is over, it brings cheer to some but misery to more,



IT SHOULD BE CANCELLED

Just curious RB, what/which Lord are you thanking mate.:confused

riggerboy
27-Dec-11, 14:57
You misunderstand what i mean riggerboy, i said christmas has nothing to do with religion for me & by that what i mean is yes of course i know religion has everything to do with christmas but i dont believe in the whole jesus thing, i still appriciate christmas though as the chance to spend time with family that you might not normally get to see or similar situations like that. As for getting gifts i do not need your very wrong, like i said before its nice to get a couple of gifts & give a couple, not one gift i needed but im very glad to have got it regardless as they were things i have a particular interest in so i appriciate them all the more, at christmas i do not ask for anything specific, i get what i am given & either like it or dont & if i dont i still give the impression that i do because i would not want to hurt anyones feelings. Also you said your a grandfather, now wether or not you agree with christmas is up to you but do you try & make your grandchildren see things your way ? It does not matter what age they are but i am trying to understand what sort of grandfather would not even give his own grandchildren a single gift on christmas wether you agreed in or not im pretty sure not everyone in your family shares your view, i mean you said yourself you neither recieved or gave any gifts. But anyway Scrooge, ive said my piece

so what your saying is you are celebrating something you dont believe in ??????? now thats funny,
as for my family i never said they dont celebrate its just i dont,

trinkie
27-Dec-11, 21:16
Hi Riggerboy,
I read your first thread, but not the rest fearing it would drag on a bit.
I see you dont like Christmas - that's fine there's room for all. I wonder if you've read ''Midnight Clear'' by Leslie Thomas ?
It's a favourite of mine and I usually read it around this time of year. This is a beautifully written short story and tells the tale of
Mr Pargeter so well, I'm sure you'll like it too.

Season's Greetings
Trinkie.

Alice in Blunderland
27-Dec-11, 22:16
They are also intolerant of any opinion that doesnt comform to their own life idiology
. Barak ' allah

sweeping a rather wide brush over all the Muslims :confused

Phill
28-Dec-11, 20:33
I thought with the thread topic this might fit in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16347418

Opposing factions of 'men of god' knocking shite out of each other at JC's alleged 'birth' place.

bekisman
28-Dec-11, 21:18
I thought with the thread topic this might fit in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16347418

Opposing factions of 'men of god' knocking shite out of each other at JC's alleged 'birth' place.
"It was a trivial problem that... occurs every year," Bethlehem police Lt-Col Khaled al-Tamimi told Reuters
(oh that's alright then)

oldmarine
29-Dec-11, 00:51
enough for me ... in this forum... if you have an opinion your shot down in flames... just have to agree to disagree.... and let all the regulars "quote each other" !!! .. good bye the org .. not for me... just a lot of arguments .. and not really worth the bother ...
lexie: I join with you in saying good bye to the org. I have been quite unhappy with most of the comments. It's not worth the bother. It has taken me longer to figure it out than you.

bekisman
29-Dec-11, 09:25
lexie: I join with you in saying good bye to the org. I have been quite unhappy with most of the comments. It's not worth the bother. It has taken me longer to figure it out than you.
Oh come on oldmarine, you fought through the Pacific in WW2, don't let any prat force you off the Org - most are decent fellows and 'most' of these postings are said tongue in cheek.. same with you lexie.

I'm not a believer, Mrs Beks and I don't buy presents for each other, but due to great distances between 'our lot' it's good to see the family over a period 'they' consider special..

Mystical Potato Head
29-Dec-11, 10:28
sweeping a rather wide brush over all the Muslims :confused

I did not say all muslims.
I said there were probably a million or two who would rejoice in people from West being blown up.
Then came the bit you quoted.The word "they" was refering to the one or two million,which is a small percentage of the 1.5 billion or so muslims in the world. so i wasnt sweeping a wide brush over all muslims.
Sorry if it came over that way,it wasnt intended.

sassylass
29-Dec-11, 19:03
Oh come on oldmarine, you fought through the Pacific in WW2, don't let any prat force you off the Org - most are decent fellows and 'most' of these postings are said tongue in cheek.. same with you lexie.

I'm not a believer, Mrs Beks and I don't buy presents for each other, but due to great distances between 'our lot' it's good to see the family over a period 'they' consider special..

It seems to me that many of the positive posters have been worn down by the negative ones.

bekisman
29-Dec-11, 20:23
It seems to me that many of the positive posters have been worn down by the negative ones.
As they say: "nolite te es carborundorum" ;)

shazzap
29-Dec-11, 20:49
As they say: "nolite te es carborundorum" ;)

That is a saying, i use often. But the English version.

bekisman
29-Dec-11, 21:08
That is a saying, i use often. But the English version.
Wot! can't swear on here!

linnie612
29-Dec-11, 21:16
I had to google this but couldn't get an exact match - do illegitimate children come into it?

shazzap
29-Dec-11, 21:30
I had to google this but couldn't get an exact match - do illegitimate children come into it?

Don't let the................. grind you down. Yes.