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Another headline tonite...Britain tells GADDAFI to get out of his Country.. Canada did the same the other day, and the US seems to be the World Policeman. They seem to want everyone out!
Then there is Syria, Egypt, Iraq and of course Panama to name but a few...e.g. Noriega was supported by the CIA and then one day they wanted him out, had him arrested and imprisoned, and they 'Hanged Sadam by the neck until dead'.
Should we be doing this type of cleansing?
Over to the Scholars................
oldmarine
22-Aug-11, 05:20
Another headline tonite...Britain tells GADDAFI to get out of his Country.. Canada did the same the other day, and the US seems to be the World Policeman. They seem to want everyone out!
Then there is Syria, Egypt, Iraq and of course Panama to name but a few...e.g. Noriega was supported by the CIA and then one day they wanted him out, had him arrested and imprisoned, and they 'Hanged Sadam by the neck until dead'.
Should we be doing this type of cleansing?
Over to the Scholars................
The USA has done too much dictating and look where it got them. The world's largest debtor. They will never get out of debt at the rate they are going.
Over to the Scholars................
Ye canna help yersel sandy. Yer a cheeky so and so. :lol:
That being said why shouldnt we try to change the world and make it a better place? I live in a great country where a sense of freedom is natural but still has to be protected against enemies of freedom. Its in our own self interests to collaborate with all types of unsavoury regimes but if our own security is at risk we can revert to plan B. There are governments out there who would have us all in chains with their political ideals were we to show any weakness.
I'm grateful I live in Britain and more grateful that America is our friend. You should be more grateful too instead of pretending to be thick.
I know its not a very scholarly post but i feel better for it and especially as its a Monday morning it should get the org off to a nice start to the week.
Thank you both....the question/statement was a wee bitty 'tongue in cheek'!
You/we are all scholars on the Universe! Go for it.....
No we shouldn't.
Yes we should, we should be dictating to England that we don't need her anymore and want Independence!!!
C3....;);)
Ye canna help yersel sandy. Yer a cheeky so and so. :lol:
That being said why shouldnt we try to change the world and make it a better place? I live in a great country where a sense of freedom is natural but still has to be protected against enemies of freedom. Its in our own self interests to collaborate with all types of unsavoury regimes but if our own security is at risk we can revert to plan B. There are governments out there who would have us all in chains with their political ideals were we to show any weakness.
I'm grateful I live in Britain and more grateful that America is our friend. You should be more grateful too instead of pretending to be thick.
I know its not a very scholarly post but i feel better for it and especially as its a Monday morning it should get the org off to a nice start to the week.
What is to say that our ideology is the correct one?
Whe should be looking after our own coastline and finances and let the rest of the world sort itself out.
C3 I think you'll find that's self determination rather than dictating..................
Yes we should, we should be dictating to England that we don't need her anymore and want Independence!!!
C3....;);)
Bad idea......
What is to say that our ideology is the correct one?
Whe should be looking after our own coastline and finances and let the rest of the world sort itself out.
Is that all you have to offer after centuries of people coming together and fighting wars and evolving and destroying and creating? You want isolationism? Sandy asked for a scholarly response. Were human not bumble bees living in a hive. go back to your bed min.
Is that all you have to offer after centuries of people coming together and fighting wars and evolving and destroying and creating? You want isolationism? Sandy asked for a scholarly response. Were human not bumble bees living in a hive. go back to your bed min.
Who said I wanted anything? my main point is that we should stop interfering with other folks business and get our own house in order.
However who is to say our views are the correct ones?
I am sure the people we view as extremist view us in the same light.
I might go to bed though, I am wraxed thanks for your concern.
It is a nice cosy idea with a hint of a pseudo higher morality but isolationism as a form of international policy doesn't work.
It is a nice cosy idea with a hint of a pseudo higher morality but isolationism as a form of international policy doesn't work.
Thats exacly it, lest scrap international policy, build a big wall around our fine shores and live in a bubble of greatness
Another headline tonite...Britain tells GADDAFI to get out of his Country.. Canada did the same the other day, and the US seems to be the World Policeman. They seem to want everyone out!
Then there is Syria, Egypt, Iraq and of course Panama to name but a few...e.g. Noriega was supported by the CIA and then one day they wanted him out, had him arrested and imprisoned, and they 'Hanged Sadam by the neck until dead'.
Should we be doing this type of cleansing?
Over to the Scholars................
Of course we should. The world was a much more comfortable place when Brittania ruled the waves and the Empire was at its height. It has all gone horribly wrong since. (I blame the parents. Oh' and Hitler)
orkneycadian
23-Aug-11, 11:39
We could do an awful lot better by telling a lot of folk to get out of our country. We don't seem to have a problem harbouring terrorists, drug traffickers, people traffickers, murderers and riot inciters, so why we should be concerned what other countries harbour beats me. On saying that, since Libya is on the table, we shouldn't have sent back Bertie-Basset Al Megrahi, unless he was in a body bag.
Will Britains demand to "Get out of Libya" be followed up with a "....and come to the UK - We'll give you a house, and benefits"?
It is alleged that "The Lockerbie bomber" had a bloody good appeal case and wouldve been overturned anyways.
He dropped his appeal immediatly after release...
Perhaps he shouldnt have been in the nick in the 1st place
Will Britains demand to "Get out of Libya" be followed up with a "....and come to the UK - We'll give you a house, and benefits"?
Too late, they are already here !!! (Now, how long before I get called a Racist)???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020594/Libyan-rebels-love-watching-The-X-Factor-risk-lives-fighting-Gaddafi.html
C3.................:roll:;)
The OP was in relation the Col Gadaffi you arew speaking of British who have opted to return to Libia to free their people.
Two entirely different things and yes just a bit on the racist side.
and yes just a bit on the racist side.
Thanks mi16......I knew it wouldn't be long before someone took me the wrong way again! (but at least you only thought it was a bit racist )!!!!
C3......:roll:;)
Thanks mi16......I knew it wouldn't be long before someone took me the wrong way again! (but at least you only thought it was a bit racist )!!!!
C3......:roll:;)
Apologies if I misunderstood, please explain your original intent for the stupid amongst us (me included).
Apologies if I misunderstood, please explain your original intent for the stupid amongst us (me included).
Orkneycadian said will Britain be telling the Lybians to come here and claim dole and be given free housing. I made the point that they are here already, well, a few of them at least. No harm intended in my post!!
C3
The link you poster refers to British people who are of Libian descent that have travelled to Libia to assist their families in ridding themselves of Col Gaddafi.
I mentions nothing about social housing or government handouts.
I must admit though I didnt read the entire article so I could be wrong
I didn't hear anyone complaining when vast numbers of British (and other european) employees and contractors were working in Gadaffi's Libya making fortunes (and not paying UK tax BTW).
Why would you pay UK tax if you were working under expat rules?
Why would you pay UK tax if you were working under expat rules?
Why indeed? It's one tax loophole for the rich and another for the rich (who call themselves working class :lol:)
Sorry I dont understand your point here, if you are working in another part of the world for the majority of the year then why would you have (or should) contribute to the UK tax system, your earnings will be taxed (if required) by the country of source. If it were me I would quit the UK ful stop and live in Spain or Cyprus and avoid the entire UK tax system as it is a complete rip.
If it were me I would quit the UK ful stop and live in Spain or Cyprus and avoid the entire UK tax system as it is a complete rip.
Do Spainish and Cypriots not pay taxes? I never knew that, the Org is a wonderful source of education
Sorry I dont understand your point here, if you are working in another part of the world for the majority of the year then why would you have (or should) contribute to the UK tax system, your earnings will be taxed (if required) by the country of source. If it were me I would quit the UK ful stop and live in Spain or Cyprus and avoid the entire UK tax system as it is a complete rip.
What if your wife and children lived in the UK in the house you own and you work for a Spanish agency that contract to a UK company working for themselve's in Gadaffi's Lybia? Result; you don't pay any tax to anyone. Strike anyone as a bit contrived?
Firstly income tax is based on an individuals income, by your logic an unmarried man with no kids should pay less than a married man with kids.
In my case I pay income tax on my income, my wife poays it on hers and my daughter pays nowt as she is not working.
Secondly I would need to pay council tax on my property, VAT on virtually anything that is bought, Fuel duty if I had a car (2 in my case), Road Tax (twice) without even beginning to thing of all the other stealty taxes.
Firstly income tax is based on an individuals income, by your logic an unmarried man with no kids should pay less than a married man with kids.
In my case I pay income tax on my income, my wife poays it on hers and my daughter pays nowt as she is not working.
Secondly I would need to pay council tax on my property, VAT on virtually anything that is bought, Fuel duty if I had a car (2 in my case), Road Tax (twice) without even beginning to thing of all the other stealty taxes.
Oops! Bit close to home? Sorry, I was describing someone of my aquaintance.
Depends if Libia is close to Caithness in your book?
I work, rest and play in the UK unfortunately
It's about time that these islands realised "Britannia," does not rule the waves and stopped trading on history, there are enough domestic problems that should be occupying our minds and not us occupying other countries.
orkneycadian
26-Aug-11, 19:40
[lol] Britannia barely rules Britain anymore, let alone anywhere else!
A couple of interesting book read again recently....
1. How the Scots invented the Modern World &
2. The Rise and Fall of the British Empire.......................
A couple of interesting book read again recently....
1. How the Scots invented the Modern World &
2. The Rise and Fall of the British Empire.......................
I've never read them Sandy but I'm pretty sure Sots played their part in where we are now. Maybe I'm a dying breed. I still have faith in Britain. I look around the world and see other countries and although I only know them through the media image presented to me in my front room I like to think I can discern enough to make an educated guess about them as a place I would like to spend my life. I'm grateful I live in a country like Britain and wouldnt want to be anywhere other than where I am. Britains influence on the world should not be underestimated nor should it's future influence be misunderstood. We are fair but firm as as Churchill once said we may choose to give mercy but ask non in return. You do your worst and we shall do our best. That could bring a tear till a glass eye.
Rule Brittannia. :)
Very well said. I concur!
Just a thought......
My concerns of toppling Dictatorial Leaders by just kicking them is, who takes over the reins(reigns)?
It seems to be a 'free for all' in Iraq, and Libya has 10 tons of Mustard Gas/Sarin Gas/ Scuds etc. And it seems that no one konws who is in possession of them. Yes there is a loose knit group of 'Rebels' funded by us, but in Countries such as these the highest bidder wins...
Obviously I don't know the answer, but if it took hundreds of years for us to get our 's...................' together... imagine them.
And how long did we go through the Industrial Revolution! Now that we are free of that period in time, we are telling the 'poor Countries' to stop emmisions/ how can they. They are where we were several hundred years ago. Perhaps they may get to where we are faster than us but it will take time and turmoil....................
John Little
27-Aug-11, 17:30
"...I'm pretty sure Sots played their part in where we are now...."
"...Very well said. I concur!..."
Me too! (Hic!)
weezer 316
27-Aug-11, 17:33
One thing i do find strange is our belief that the default best government is a democratically elected one. Some countries (I'm thinking china, north korea etc) have a very strong confuscian slant and hold the government as something thats there, you dont pick it, a bit like your parents.
The example of germany is always a good one, where in the 1932 elections 68% of the german populace voted for 2 parties openly commited to overthrowing democracy (nazis and the commies) and did so as they felt democracy asnt for them.
juts a thought...
oldmarine
27-Aug-11, 20:09
Why would you pay UK tax if you were working under expat rules?
I worked at the Thurso Naval Station as an employee of the U.S. Government and paid taxes only to the U.S. Government. I hope that was acceptable.
oldmarine
27-Aug-11, 20:13
A couple of interesting book read again recently....
1. How the Scots invented the Modern World &
2. The Rise and Fall of the British Empire.......................
Similar to the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and perhaps the eventual Fall of the United States?
Without the Unites States we are in Big S.....T!
We can all moan and groan about them and their ways, but who has done more for the World and keeps it up every day!
We are the Dominion of Canada...founded on British Law and ideals/ we live next door to the Greatest Power on earth/ there is no doubt.
So far Canada's balancing Act has gone well......but things are 'a changin'. Who knows where it go in the next few years...
oldmarine
28-Aug-11, 00:21
Without the Unites States we are in Big S.....T!
We can all moan and groan about them and their ways, but who has done more for the World and keeps it up every day!
We are the Dominion of Canada...founded on British Law and ideals/ we live next door to the Greatest Power on earth/ there is no doubt.
So far Canada's balancing Act has gone well......but things are 'a changin'. Who knows where it go in the next few years...
Your reply sonds good. But with a Socialist president and a country heading in the direction of Socialism I anticipate the worst scenario.
weezer 316
28-Aug-11, 15:48
Your reply sonds good. But with a Socialist president and a country heading in the direction of Socialism I anticipate the worst scenario.
You dont have socialism in the USA. Left wing deonst exist there, at least not in mainstream politics.
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