Baby P

[spurtle]

How on earth is it that a man found guilty of abuse and the death of baby P has now been released under license already?

[Southern-Gal]

Are you sure about this?

[spurtle]

It's on the BBC News website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14423760

[Spongeboab]

fingers crossed he'll be given some real justice on the outside, the slow, painful and possibly fatal kind of justice

[orkneycadian]

Well, that sounds like at least 1 vote for capital punishment anyway!

[Spongeboab]

i only said possibly, forgetting human rights, capital punishment would be an expensive waste of money that would line lawyers pockets, America's Death Row for example.

i'd prefer a sort of street justice, not an acidic eye for an eye Irani style, but just being booted about a car park by some moral guardians :D

[Southern-Gal]

Poor Baby Peter and all the other children who have been beaten to death and molested by sickos.
Baby P wont even have any family who will campaign on his behalf as the mother was just as bad. No family came forward, not really, the father did posthumously when he thought he could milk the situation to his benefit but he was not around whilst the child was suffering.
People like this of both sexes should have two options available to them - a painless lethal injection or life working for free on a chain :(
At least he cant suffer anymore though.

[orkneycadian]

capital punishment would be an expensive waste of money that would line lawyers pockets, America's Death Row for example.

Sod that! Once guilt beyond all doubt is proven, frogmarch them round the back of the courthouse to the gallows / firing range / lethal injection table / electric chair or whatever and have the job done right away. Murderers victims rarely get the chance for a last supper or a farewell to their families / loved ones, so no need for convicted murderers to have that luxury.

[tonkatojo]

Sod that! Once guilt beyond all doubt is proven, frogmarch them round the back of the courthouse to the gallows / firing range / lethal injection table / electric chair or whatever and have the job done right away. Murderers victims rarely get the chance for a last supper or a farewell to their families / loved ones, so no need for convicted murderers to have that luxury.

Yep agree with you I have even signed the "e petition" epetitions.direct.gov.uk thats currently on "you gov". But isn't this the policy of the coalition UK government with Ken Clarke making the policy to empty the jails, but mind you they inherited the current jail population ;)

[orkneycadian]

Its a pity that its not the policy of any of the parties to empty the jails - Not by letting dangerous crims out, but by stopping them from doing things to get in in the first place, or by having the real dangerous ones bypass jail and go straight to the gallows.

We are supposed to have a democratic government, but when even an MP was on the radio last week saying that since 1965, the government has consistently gone against the wishes of the population, I really wonder what democracy we really have.

[Tilter]

If Baby P had survived to adulthood, there's a good chance he would have inflicted on his children the kind of childhood he endured. You would then be sending him round the back of the courthouse to the gallows?

It's no where near as simple as you all make out.

[orkneycadian]

Ah, but if those who committed such heinous crimes against Baby P had been discouraged from doing so, by a decent deterrent (not a couple of years of living a life of relative luxury with someone else making your dinner for you....), would they ever have happened in the first place?

[bagpuss]

Okay- so what leads people like the abusers of Baby P to behave as they do? One of the posts here suggests that children copy the behaviour of their parents- and an abused child might well turn out to become an abusive parent.

Schools often get the rough end of the stick- they are charged with not only the education of the young , but also the social education. People like this man probably truanted every day of their childhood- or were the school bullies that tortured their peers.

To prevent this sort of crime the education process must begin in infancy. and all parents must be responsible parents- if they cannot be- the child should be placed with those who could do a better job. I'm not advocating placing a child in a care home- but in a real home. How many good adoptive parents might have given that little boy a much better childhood

[orkneycadian]

...People like this man probably truanted every day of their childhood- or were the school bullies that tortured their peers.....

.....and probably had no punishment in return for it....