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Corrie 3
29-May-11, 21:05
I think I know the answer to this but what do they hope to achieve?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-13591098

C3.....:roll:

lasher
29-May-11, 21:20
No, i'd be turning the firehose on them!

kas
29-May-11, 21:25
Dont know enough about it to have an opinion myself but one major thing they hope to gain is publicity and awareness, which they have managed by pulling this stunt. They want the authorities to remove them by force as it will make their stunt even more news worthy.

With the arctic environment already under threat some groups believe any environmental disaster up there could finish the arctic as we know it forever.

There is another article here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13524846

If anyone watched arctic on BBC2 earlier this year they would have seen the changes facing the whole of the arctic circle.

annmarie
29-May-11, 21:40
agee with lasher

Phill
29-May-11, 21:49
The French seem to be pretty good at sorting 'em out.

annemarie482
29-May-11, 23:21
The French seem to be pretty good at sorting 'em out.


ha ha ha!!!
they have the right idea indeed!!

don't believe the press on the green peace stories.......MAJORLY exaggerated ;)

Rheghead
30-May-11, 00:32
I think I know the answer to this but what do they hope to achieve?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-13591098

C3.....:roll:

Yes I support them. Cairn energy don't have a working plan to clean up the Arctic and in a leaked document UK ministers have admitted that a clean up of the Arctic would be impossible in the event of a Guld of Mexico event.

ducati
30-May-11, 07:38
I think I know the answer to this but what do they hope to achieve?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-13591098

C3.....:roll:
Yes, They hope to achieve the long term protection of the marine environment. Greenpeace have had a lot of success with campaigns in the past. All they need do is stop drilling operations for long enough for Cairn Energy and it's investors to take the economic decision to cut their losses. Don't dismiss them out of hand.

It is ironic that the oil companies are suspending or postponing operations of this nature in established waters while moaning about the windfall tax.:roll:

mi16
30-May-11, 07:50
The French seem to be pretty good at sorting 'em out.
That depends on if you advocate murder or not I guess!!

mi16
30-May-11, 07:52
Yes, They hope to achieve the long term protection of the marine environment. Greenpeace have had a lot of success with campaigns in the past. All they need do is stop drilling operations for long enough for Cairn Energy and it's investors to take the economic decision to cut their losses. Don't dismiss them out of hand.

It is ironic that the oil companies are suspending or postponing operations of this nature in established waters while moaning about the windfall tax.:roll:

It is a no brainer for oil exploration companies to look for more lucrative areas to work, since the governments latest pillage of the industry.

ducati
30-May-11, 08:00
It is a no brainer for oil exploration companies to look for more lucrative areas to work, since the governments latest pillage of the industry.

This has been planned since long before the windfall tax.

Where is the problem with the windfall tax?

Oil companies must set a business model based on a low oil price otherwise they would never make any money.

If the oil price remains high for a sustained period, it is just free money for them (while we get crucified at the pumps and in our heating bills). Then to try to hold us to ransom by threatening to suspend investment just makes them look like a bunch of petulant children.

mi16
30-May-11, 11:38
It may make look like the toys have been chucked however where does it leave the thousands of people employed in the oil industry when the projects are pulled and the oil companies look elsewhere for the more lucrative countries that do not try to suck every last penny out of the service companies?

To be fair it isnt the oilies that are crucifying you, it is the government with their extreme taxation of their product.

Dont forget that many of these new projects that are in the frame for cancellation or have been cancelled are to bring wells online that have been deemed unviable due to the high extraction cost etc. With the currenty world demand for oil they became viable but with the add on tax it has tipped the balance again.

Dont be fooled the like of Statoil plling out of the UKCS is a big blow to us and there will be more to follow!!

sandyr1
30-May-11, 12:25
Greenpeace has a place in Society....if only as another set of checks and balances.

Rheghead
30-May-11, 13:18
Rainbow Warrior III is about 40% to completion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH5JdJflb5c&feature=feedu) but Greenpeace welcomes donations (https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/donate) to keep the battle for a cleaner Earth going.

mi16
30-May-11, 13:24
I will donate 300 tonnes of sand, on the condition that they carry it in their fuel tanks.
Tree hugging hippies!!

bekisman
30-May-11, 13:32
Don't know if anyone has been following 'Whale Wars' on Sky? but Captain Paul Watson, who's risking his life down there to protect the Whales and stop the Japanese whaling fleet, has very scant regard for Greenpeace:

"Greenpeace is lying and stealing your money. The Greenpeace fraud about saving the whales must be exposed. They have surrendered the Whale Sanctuary to the whalers. Greenpeace makes more money from anti-whaling than Norway and Iceland combined make from whaling. In both cases, the whales die and someone profits.. We continue to receive reports from people who have received highly emotional appeals from Greenpeace for money to save the whales including appeals to help refuel their ship. This is simply out and out fraud."..

It's a long - but very interesting article, giving another view point of the Greenpeace organisation..


http://typingisnotactivism.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/greenpeace-is-lying-and-stealing-your-money/

Rheghead
30-May-11, 13:51
To put things into context, Capt Paul Watson was expelled from Greenpeace for advocating violent action. He created his own anti whaling organisation and holds sour grapes about Greenpeace's higher profile and his expulsion.

Bekisman, thanks for your link, usually org members provide links which backs up one's own position or point of view. Do you share Paul Watson's politics or are you just being Devil's Advocate again?

bekisman
30-May-11, 14:07
I wonder why this person does not debate without throwing a hissy - as yet again Rheghead has given me a red reputation point (I've only ever had three and all from him) - it is a sad case that I can't put a reasonable point over without him resorting to this childish behaviour.
I wonder if lasher, annmarie, phill, mi16 were 'red repped' for their rather harsh comments? nah, of course not.. Old Rheggy has a bit of a problem with me.. Hmm wonder what it is.. but then we all really know don't we? :lol:

ducati
30-May-11, 14:16
I will donate 300 tonnes of sand, on the condition that they carry it in their fuel tanks.
Tree hugging hippies!!

Not many trees in Greenland :eek:

bekisman
30-May-11, 14:24
To put things into context, Capt Paul Watson was expelled from Greenpeace for advocating violent action. He created his own anti whaling organisation and holds sour grapes about Greenpeace's higher profile and his expulsion.

Bekisman, thanks for your link, usually org members provide links which backs up one's own position or point of view. Do you share Paul Watson's politics or are you just being Devil's Advocate again?

I know I'm silly conversing with whom has been labelled a 'troll' but in your Bad Rep comment (unseen by those on here) you used the simple word 'Lies' - in reference to the post and Link I gave.. would you care to say why this is a lie?

Rheghead
30-May-11, 14:24
I wonder why this person does not debate without throwing a hissy - as yet again Rheghead has given me a red reputation point (I've only ever had three and all from him) - it is a sad case that I can't put a reasonable point over without him resorting to this childish behaviour.
I wonder if lasher, annmarie, phill, mi16 were 'red repped' for their rather harsh comments? nah, of course not.. Old Rheggy has a bit of a problem with me.. Hmm wonder what it is.. but then we all really know don't we? :lol:

Lasher, annemarie mi16 and phill were probably expressing genuinely held views of their own, you were just playing Devil's advocate or plain lying, iow, you were causing trouble.

bekisman
30-May-11, 14:37
Lasher, annemarie mi16 and phill were probably expressing genuinely held views of their own, you were just playing Devil's advocate or plain lying, iow, you were causing trouble.
Oh you are getting rather boring old man..(By the way it's a good thing I noted your full text, before you deleted it at 14.35)*
"Bekisman, thanks for your link, usually org members provide links which backs up one's own position or point of view. Do you share Paul Watson's politics or are you just being Devil's Advocate again?"

I am totally 100% against the hunting of Whales, although Paul may well be an over enthusiastic activist, he must be respected for taking a stand against the Japanese Whalers..

*"Lasher, annemarie mi16 and phill were probably expressing genuinely held views of their own, you were just playing Devil's advocate or plain lying, iow, you were causing trouble. btw, I wouldn't bad rep you didn't make such a public fuss over it. If you took it on the chin in private then you might get some respect. "took it on the chin in private then you might get some respect."

"took it on the chin"? goodness me, what is this a boxing match - I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a person (you) on these threads, who cannot accept that some others of us have differing points of view - I have expressed my opinion in relation to Paul Watson, does this still merit a red rep? as after all going by your expressed logic, Lasher, Annemarie, mi15 and phill were expressing their own views - I have given mine, so I am afraid your argument is - as usual - vacuous..

Shabbychic
30-May-11, 14:40
Tree hugging hippies!!

Hey, what's wrong with giving a tree a wee cuddle? There are some nice looking trees out there. :Razz

Rheghead
30-May-11, 14:45
There must be something rotten in the state of Denmark at the moment, in the same week they licence further drilling in Greenland waters, they then ban sales of Marmite.

Shabbychic
30-May-11, 15:56
There must be something rotten in the state of Denmark at the moment, in the same week they licence further drilling in Greenland waters, they then ban sales of Marmite.

Ohhh noooo, they have banned Vegamite too. :eek: That's it.....another destination off my list.

John Little
30-May-11, 16:08
"took it on the chin"? goodness me, what is this a boxing match - I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a person (you) on these threads, who cannot accept that some others of us have differing points of view - I have expressed my opinion in relation to Paul Watson, does this still merit a red rep? as after all going by your expressed logic, Lasher, Annemarie, mi15 and phill were expressing their own views - I have given mine, so I am afraid your argument is - as usual - vacuous.."

Bekisman- am I to understand that someone has given you a red rep for expressing your opinion on this thread?

I have looked back through this and for the life of me I can see nothing wrong with anything you have said.

Please illuminate my darkness - who has red-repped you for your opinion?

Oh .... I see...

Pouleriscaig
30-May-11, 17:57
I think I know the answer to this but what do they hope to achieve?



C3.....:roll:


Yes I fully support their actions.

oldmarine
01-Jun-11, 03:42
I have never supported Greenpeace in the past and don't plan to in the future.

bekisman
02-Jun-11, 17:55
Whoops!
"British oil company seeking up to $16m in damages for four-day occupation that disrupted operations on the Leiv Eiriksson rig ..British oil company Cairn Energy has filed legal papers with a Dutch court to claim up to $16m (£9.8m) from Greenpeace for disrupting its oil drilling operations in the Arctic.
In a move that could bankrupt the environment group, the company is also seeking to have Greenpeace fined €2m (£1.76m) for every day it continues to try to prevent work....."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/02/cairn-greenpeace-arctic-drilling-protest

annemarie482
02-Jun-11, 17:58
well that will be that sorted then! :)

Mystical Potato Head
02-Jun-11, 18:03
Whoops!
"British oil company seeking up to $16m in damages for four-day occupation that disrupted operations on the Leiv Eiriksson rig ..British oil company Cairn Energy has filed legal papers with a Dutch court to claim up to $16m (£9.8m) from Greenpeace for disrupting its oil drilling operations in the Arctic.
In a move that could bankrupt the environment group, the company is also seeking to have Greenpeace fined €2m (£1.76m) for every day it continues to try to prevent work....."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/02/cairn-greenpeace-arctic-drilling-protest

Quite right too,if we all broke the law just to make a point where would we be? living in total anarchy.I know the whole point of their protests is to gain publicity but if you break the law then you pay for it.
No matter how"good" your cause is.

ducati
02-Jun-11, 19:14
Not really, peacefull protest is fixed in our view of the world. What would have happened in Egypt if they all went home when threatened with a fine? :roll:

HEADLINE: Greenham Common peace women fined for disrupting operations when we wanted to Nuke Moscow!

annemarie482
02-Jun-11, 19:27
Quite right too,if we all broke the law just to make a point where would we be? living in total anarchy.I know the whole point of their protests is to gain publicity but if you break the law then you pay for it.
No matter how"good" your cause is.

was going to rep you but have to spread it round first lol
so "well said"

sandyr1
02-Jun-11, 21:24
Bob HUNTER.....characterized as the man who 'invented' Greenpeace....
He ended up being a reporter for City TV in Toronto as the Ecology Specialist. A very fine man, altho' a Rebel in the beginning

I got to know him a bit, thru City TV., and at his Funeral the following phrase was 'coined'.....

'Bob Hunter made much of his opportunity to save the Earth, and Greenpeace will always be Blessed with his Spirit'.

Paul Watson appeared to be more of a Radical in later years and did some pretty crazy things.

Just another set of checks and balances!