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caithnesslad
22-May-11, 23:00
Spotted the general lee car in wick tesco tonight, it looked the part and it was then that i noticed stiffler from american pie was in the passenger seat!
So had to take a picture, maybe there on a road trip?
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n299/Krystewart9/005-7.jpg
He wasn't really there lol
Metalattakk
23-May-11, 00:43
Tish and pish, ma boy. That looks more like a Ford Capri to me. Hell, it's even got a UK number plate!
It looks nothing like this one:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z55/Metalattakk/the-general-lee-from-dukes-of-hazzard.jpg
rogermellie
23-May-11, 02:24
Spotted the general lee car in wick tesco tonight, it looked the part and it was then that i noticed stiffler from american pie was in the passenger seat!
So had to take a picture, maybe there on a road trip?l
lol nice picture, shame you couldn't get a shot of the watermelons weighing down the back seat.
(many thanks to metal for pointing out that this wasn't the genuine General Lee ...:roll:)
Either way both the Capri and the Dodge Charger were rubbish cars that didnt handle!!
whats the difference between that capri and a hedgehog?
the hedgehog has the pricks on the outside!!!
caithnesslad
23-May-11, 15:24
Haha was worth a try, knew it wasnt a charger..
Even Chance
23-May-11, 15:29
Is at so? I didna ken a young guy lek you wid ken a long nose Henry if it run you doon!!
There's alot of thought gone into the Crappi, with the short bumpers and replica bull bar.
I'd like to have a closer look.
I had a 2.8 Special with the limited slip diff and RS wheels. It actually handled quite well (for the eightys). better than any crummy froggy rubbish anyway ;)
You cannot compare the handling characteristics of a 2.8 Capri and a 205 Gti.
The 205Gti is renound for its fantastic handling, the Capri is renound for being rubbish.
I do agree that a lot of though was put into it but why try and make a general lee replica out of something that doesnt even bear the slightest resemblance to a charger.
There used to be an Opel Manta Gte coupe going around inverness done up at the General Lee, whilst again it was a poor replica al least it shared similar lines to the original.
The Manta Gte exclusive coupe now that was a nice 80's car that would run rings around Capri's
Or how about an Ople Acona
Even Chance
24-May-11, 12:18
Yer right there Mi16.
Ive sprinted a tuned 1.6 205 Gti, and it was a great handling wee car. Safe understeer with some lift off oversteer for a bit of fun! Not as good handling as my wee Mincer tho.......
Capri was a fine car for the straight line stuff mind you. Manta handled better imo.
Yer right there Mi16.
Ive sprinted a tuned 1.6 205 Gti, and it was a great handling wee car. Safe understeer with some lift off oversteer for a bit of fun! Not as good handling as my wee Mincer tho.......
Capri was a fine car for the straight line stuff mind you. Manta handled better imo.
Real men (and Women) drive rear wheel drive, the rest is just shopping!
Perhaps back in the day (after a hard 16hr shift down mines when you could go out for a meal, watch a film, get pissed, have a bag of chips on the way home and still have tuppence left from a tenner) RWD was king, these days Im not so sure.
Perhaps back in the day (after a hard 16hr shift down mines when you could go out for a meal, watch a film, get pissed, have a bag of chips on the way home and still have tuppence left from a tenner) RWD was king, these days Im not so sure.
Front wheel drive is the drive of the devil [evil].
It was adopted to make manufacturing cheaper, no other reason. Even the very best system available today is an appalling compromise.
I example the Alfa GTA :eek:
I must admit that for a driving machine I am fond of RWD. I love the way my 5 series drives. However as stated earlier there are several exceptions to your rule. I would deffo consider the 205 gti and classic mini to be up near the top of the entertaining drives list.
I must admit that for a driving machine I am fond of RWD. I love the way my 5 series drives. However as stated earlier there are several exceptions to your rule. I would deffo consider the 205 gti and classic mini to be up near the top of the entertaining drives list.
Yes but neither of these had any power to speak of. A modern car, to be worth considering as sporty needs at least 200BHP. That is just the point where FWD ceases to be entertaining and becomes compromised. The modern crop of fast Fords and Renaults etc. still don't work too well even with the modern traction control and computer controlled diffs. There is a reason Ferrari don't 'do' FWD.;)
Yeah I have to agree with you there, if you are much over 200bhp with FWD then the srive is somewhat spoiled.
Having said that I ran a MK5 Golf Gti which was a shade over 200bhp and FWD, that car was bloody good fun and didnt really have any poor handling chacteristics.
Others i have driven in that power bracket were poor though.
I believe ford have a decent handling car in the new Focus RS though, never driven one myself so cant comment
Had a Dodge Charger 442 Hemi in the early 70's. Jacked up, with traction bars and Hhhhhuge GT qualifiers on the back.
Several probs...No good at cornering and brakes were a bit poor/they faded rapidly!
But Hellish power........... first to second...and into Third........ Burned rubber..Chirped into Fourth> Kids loved it......
Yes but neither of these had any power to speak of. A modern car, to be worth considering as sporty needs at least 200BHP. That is just the point where FWD ceases to be entertaining and becomes compromised. The modern crop of fast Fords and Renaults etc. still don't work too well even with the modern traction control and computer controlled diffs. There is a reason Ferrari don't 'do' FWD.;)
3 weekends ago....at Mosport Int'l Speedway.....Got a ride in a Corvette/passenger...862 hp....running against at Subaru Impreza 4 cyl. awd....422hp.. Awesome!
northener
26-May-11, 06:49
My 1.4 Fiesta will stuff any RWD car...including big block Chevies
Just find a gentle hill....put some snow on it.......;)
Of course front wheel drive is better on ice and snow...but......50/50 weight distribution, like the BMW is really the best handling.
I beg to differ on the snow statement also.
The problem that RWD cars of today have is that they are powerful and as such run big fat tyres on the rear. If you fit a narrow width wheel/tyro combe to the driving wheels of a modern RWD car and add in a bit of wieght in the boot it will be as good if not better than a FWD vehicle, the advantage of RWD there is that even if you lost traction to the driven wheels you can still steer. When a FWD car breaks traction the steering is also offski.
During this winter my RWD car got stuck on numerous occasions with the summer tyres on, after filtting a set of winter tyres and adding in 100Kg or so in the boot it was fine to go anywhere (within reason).
I beg to differ on the snow statement also.
The problem that RWD cars of today have is that they are powerful and as such run big fat tyres on the rear. If you fit a narrow width wheel/tyro combe to the driving wheels of a modern RWD car and add in a bit of wieght in the boot it will be as good if not better than a FWD vehicle, the advantage of RWD there is that even if you lost traction to the driven wheels you can still steer. When a FWD car breaks traction the steering is also offski.
During this winter my RWD car got stuck on numerous occasions with the summer tyres on, after filtting a set of winter tyres and adding in 100Kg or so in the boot it was fine to go anywhere (within reason).
You do have a point...but...if one is not going anywhere where are you steering!
Of course you can do an olde beetle and go backwards in a front wheel drive car. Now you have the weight over the front/back wheels...
I dont think they were great shakes in the snow either though.
The problem is that you are then very front light.
I dont think the police would like it either.
Hi am new to this but i have to say RWD is defo the way to go as you said FWD cant take the power....and plus all the best cars are RWD eg the mk1 2 escorts nissan silvias to name a couple....as for the capri it was and still is a great car the old rs capri and tickford capri are both excellent cars
Sorry mate the only time "Capri" and "great" should be used in the same sentance is as follows "The Ford Capri was a great big pile of poops"
You seem to be looking at yester year when determining the "best" cars.
The modern RWD's - BMW M3, BMW M5, BMW M6, Mercedes C36AMG, Mercedes E55AMG, Vauxhall Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8, Lotus Elise, Vauxhall VX220 Turbo.
What about 4WD surely that must be the best....iconics of yester year Audi Quattor UR Turbo, 205T16, Metro 6R4, Lancia Delta Integrale, Ford RS500, Toyota Celica GT4.
Then there is your modern 4WD stuff.. Subaru Impreza, Subaru Legacy, Mitsubithi Lancer, Audi RS4, Audi RS6.
Each and every one of the cars I have listed would trounce a MK1 Escort, MK2 Escort, Nissan Sylvia or Capri in every way.
Sorry mate the only time "Capri" and "great" should be used in the same sentance is as follows "The Ford Capri was a great big pile of poops"
You seem to be looking at yester year when determining the "best" cars.
The modern RWD's - BMW M3, BMW M5, BMW M6, Mercedes C36AMG, Mercedes E55AMG, Vauxhall Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8, Lotus Elise, Vauxhall VX220 Turbo.
What about 4WD surely that must be the best....iconics of yester year Audi Quattor UR Turbo, 205T16, Metro 6R4, Lancia Delta Integrale, Ford RS500, Toyota Celica GT4.
Then there is your modern 4WD stuff.. Subaru Impreza, Subaru Legacy, Mitsubithi Lancer, Audi RS4, Audi RS6.
Each and every one of the cars I have listed would trounce a MK1 Escort, MK2 Escort, Nissan Sylvia or Capri in every way.
Of course they would, 20 -30 years of technology. They don't make lightwieght great handling chassis like they used to though.
Enjoy them, the next twenty years will only bring electric misery :(
Hi am new to this but i have to say RWD is defo the way to go as you said FWD cant take the power....and plus all the best cars are RWD eg the mk1 2 escorts nissan silvias to name a couple....as for the capri it was and still is a great car the old rs capri and tickford capri are both excellent cars
I presently have a Pontiac with a 3.8 litre engine....lite turbo....why do you say it can't take the power???
Didn't you know...............Power and Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!
Ill be willing to bet that it corners like a blamange.
What power does it put out anyways?
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 17:13
I presently have a Pontiac with a 3.8 litre engine....lite turbo....why do you say it can't take the power???
Didn't you know...............Power and Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!
I've roughly scanned through this thread and i'm sure someone stated once over 200bhp in a fwd expect more understeer, too much power for the front wheels, Most good handling and quick higher bhp cars are usually rwd or 4wd.
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 17:14
Ill be willing to bet that it corners like a blamange.
What power does it put out anyways?
+1 on that, A big heavy american motor, such as the Capri :D .. Enough discussion.
Ill be willing to bet that it corners like a blamange.
What power does it put out anyways?
Approx 240hp.....not much really.....
Seriously, it is not bad....somewhat unlike milky pud! Front wheel drive has come a long way.....
OK it's not a Bimmer, I agree.....
+1 on that, A big heavy american motor, such as the Capri :D .. Enough discussion.
A Capri isn't a big heavy car!!!! It's small in comparison...The Capri went out with the DODO Bird many years ago!
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 17:18
The one fwd car i will back up for amazing handling and good power delivery is this :
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n299/Krystewart9/Camera019.jpg
Stock coilovers with good branded tyre's is where its at, corners better than an evo 8 which i've also been in.
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 17:20
A Capri isn't a big heavy car!!!! It's small in comparison...The Capri went out with the DODO Bird many years ago!
Maybe not heavy in comparison to the pontiac, but your average hatchback i'd bet its a bit heavier than my own 770kg fwd car :D
The Ford Capri weighed approx 1000kg///
Mine weighs approx 1600kg......
One of the greatest cars ever build was the Saab... Front wheel drive.....Original engine 841.. 3 cyl.. 2 stroke// A screamer!
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 17:26
Be still quite cool to own one as i bet they are fairly rare in the uk, so they must be rarer up this end, its all about rarity :D
Aye the japanese sewing machine is supposed to be a decent handler. I do believe they have a LSD and other trickery as standard though.
One thing that has not been thrown into the melting pot though is that any vehicle is only as good as the chap (or chapess) behind the wheel.
As proven on top gear a F1 driver can make even a "resonably priced car" a flying machine and on the flipside a dumpling will make an Arial Atom drive like a montego.
Be still quite cool to own one as i bet they are fairly rare in the uk, so they must be rarer up this end, its all about rarity :D
A rare care doenst make a good car.
Maybe its rare for a reason (because its pants)
Maybe not heavy in comparison to the pontiac, but your average hatchback i'd bet its a bit heavier than my own 770kg fwd car :D
It is a different World....The UK to North America.
At 60mph my engine runs at 1600 rpm....Uk 4 cyl runs at about 3000 rpm.... Was just over there and saw it.
Aye the japanese sewing machine is supposed to be a decent handler. I do believe they have a LSD and other trickery as standard though.
One thing that has not been thrown into the melting pot though is that any vehicle is only as good as the chap (or chapess) behind the wheel.
As proven on top gear a F1 driver can make even a "resonably priced car" a flying machine and on the flipside a dumpling will make an Arial Atom drive like a montego.
Pardon........Jap??
I was refering to the Honda Integra Type R not the lump of Detroit Iron
caithnesslad
30-May-11, 18:23
Such as the mi16 engine being rare?
Lotus Elan (RWD) or a Westfield, properly built, will make all the current crop of fast hatchbacks look very silly indeed. :lol:
You don't need masses of power, you need a properly engineered chassis.
Such as the mi16 engine being rare?
these days one of those engines is pretty rare indeed
caithnesslad
31-May-11, 00:44
However i know where there is one just lying doing nothing in caithness, with a 4wd chassis lying also :D
Aye i agree the m3 5 and 6 vxr8 etc would pee over a mk2 escort but none the less the mk2 was and still is a classic amazing car....defo 4WD is the best in a way but in a straight drag RWD is what u need....i have a 385bhp citroen saxo FWD with a quaife diff and road legal slicks and it gets grip off the line if you know what you're doing and it handles well considering.but i only built it for something to do and i just happend to have a saxo in the shed so i just used it.i also have a evo3 with 349.5Bhp witch is alot easyer to drive and handles like a dream.....as for the pic of the honda integra they handle because of the way the engines tilted at an angle and because they have an engine cradle to keep it solid at the front but as it was said earlyer 200bhp is pretty much max for a FWD and thats all the integra has....
Aye i agree the m3 5 and 6 vxr8 etc would pee over a mk2 escort but none the less the mk2 was and still is a classic amazing car....defo 4WD is the best in a way but in a straight drag RWD is what u need....i have a 385bhp citroen saxo FWD with a quaife diff and road legal slicks and it gets grip off the line if you know what you're doing and it handles well considering.but i only built it for something to do and i just happend to have a saxo in the shed so i just used it.i also have a evo3 with 349.5Bhp witch is alot easyer to drive and handles like a dream.....as for the pic of the honda integra they handle because of the way the engines tilted at an angle and because they have an engine cradle to keep it solid at the front but as it was said earlyer 200bhp is pretty much max for a FWD and thats all the integra has....
Gawd....r u real?
The general lee was written off approx 270 times during filing that there is no original car just replics and that aint it lol
Aye am for real.... I'm a pannel beater/car sprayer so playing about with cars is just what i love to do for a hobby....the saxo took me a wee while to do as it was an expensive project but its really good fun to drive.i go to a few car shows and time attack track days
caithnesslad
31-May-11, 13:37
Aye am for real.... I'm a pannel beater/car sprayer so playing about with cars is just what i love to do for a hobby....the saxo took me a wee while to do as it was an expensive project but its really good fun to drive.i go to a few car shows and time attack track days
What sort of changes did you have to make to get that sort of power out of a saxo, either turbo or charger, i'd imagine turbo would be the first option, Pics of said cars?
Or perhaps a turbocharger along with some very serious engine internal works.
Maybe a 100bhp shot of nitrous as well.
I feel you need to spill the beans ont he mods required to achieve this level of bhp, surely the standard transmission must have been replaced also.
Aye i agree the m3 5 and 6 vxr8 etc would pee over a mk2 escort but none the less the mk2 was and still is a classic amazing car....defo 4WD is the best in a way but in a straight drag RWD is what u need....i have a 385bhp citroen saxo FWD with a quaife diff and road legal slicks and it gets grip off the line if you know what you're doing and it handles well considering.but i only built it for something to do and i just happend to have a saxo in the shed so i just used it.i also have a evo3 with 349.5Bhp witch is alot easyer to drive and handles like a dream.....as for the pic of the honda integra they handle because of the way the engines tilted at an angle and because they have an engine cradle to keep it solid at the front but as it was said earlyer 200bhp is pretty much max for a FWD and thats all the integra has....
Perhaps u cud tell how u get such an accurate hp rating?
fifi trixibelle
31-May-11, 18:53
Ooohh the talk of all this exotica, is nice, but the Capri was a poor mans hot hatch in its day
and wasnt too bad considering!! But back to exotica why hasn't anyone mentioned the Reliant Robin.....................a whole 40hp and rear wheel drive (because it had to be!!) and doesnt do to bad in the snow ie no weight required and nae fancy tyres
Ya naaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D
caithnesslad
01-Jun-11, 13:48
Or perhaps a turbocharger along with some very serious engine internal works.
Maybe a 100bhp shot of nitrous as well.
I feel you need to spill the beans ont he mods required to achieve this level of bhp, surely the standard transmission must have been replaced also.
They tend to use the standard vtr box for turbo'd 16v saxo and 106 gti engines as they have lovely long ratio's that top out around 150mph in 5th, and they handle the power reasonably well, its more the clutch issues than gearbox.
Walter Ego
01-Jun-11, 21:47
Perhaps u cud tell how u get such an accurate hp rating?
I would say that it's because it's been on a dyno?
They're quite common in Scotland.
I would say that it's because it's been on a dyno?
They're quite common in Scotland.
Ahh Ken that ma loon! And I have blueprinted cars....and I find it quite extraordinary that a local person can do it.....??....and make it last, and again 350+ from an EVO????
Just asking a simple Q?? Doesn't have to be complicated!!!
And as a matter of interest J1985, there are many cars over 2 litre with FWD...and they don't even have torque steer anymore.....
I was refering to the Honda Integra Type R not the lump of Detroit Iron
Now now......Detroit Iron........to each Country it's own! Were you talking about the Saab or the Pontiac?? I would agree that the Saab didn't do too well under the GM ownership....
Actually experienced 'car testers' state that the Integra R is not much better than a hotted up Civic until you get the revs up...In the 7/8k range and then the thing doesn't last! It can put out approx 400hp but it goes 'Bang". I think they marketed it as the S2000 here but it didn't sell.....
caithnesslad
02-Jun-11, 15:47
Now now......Detroit Iron........to each Country it's own! Were you talking about the Saab or the Pontiac?? I would agree that the Saab didn't do too well under the GM ownership....
Actually experienced 'car testers' state that the Integra R is not much better than a hotted up Civic until you get the revs up...In the 7/8k range and then the thing doesn't last! It can put out approx 400hp but it goes 'Bang". I think they marketed it as the S2000 here but it didn't sell.....
There's only just over 20bhp difference in the integra and civic, but the dc5 makes an ep3 look very silly indeed, they tend to s/c the v-tec engines so then you have a powerful n/a engine turned into a monster with a charger, with great stock handling, the thing they say about the car not being quick until high revs is a load of bull also, they pull strong all over but exceptionally strong in the tec obviously, can be quite agressive on the neck actually if you hit the v-tec sharp in a dc5, good fun car.
There's only just over 20bhp difference in the integra and civic, but the dc5 makes an ep3 look very silly indeed, they tend to s/c the v-tec engines so then you have a powerful n/a engine turned into a monster with a charger, with great stock handling, the thing they say about the car not being quick until high revs is a load of bull also, they pull strong all over but exceptionally strong in the tec obviously, can be quite agressive on the neck actually if you hit the v-tec sharp in a dc5, good fun car.
Of course if you want to go fast get a bike. Just dial in how soon you want to be at the horizon and hang on! :lol:
Yeah i have uprated all the internals(forged pistons turbo race cams 750cc injectors fanncy inlet plenum and ecu witch i send off to get mapped)it it's not one of the cheap conversons done in a driveway it took over 2year to build it and alot of cash...yeah it got dyno'd down the road and it has a standerd vts gearbox but i sent it off to a place called gm motorsport and they changed a couple cogs so it is now geard for 182mph altho ive only had it up to 160mph so far.and as for my evo 350bhp is nothing for an evo when i got it it had 300bhp and i just did a few things like put a bigger turbo on it manifold and bigger injectors and a remap.as with the saxo the evo was rolling roaded and set up properly
caithnesslad
03-Jun-11, 14:50
Yeah i have uprated all the internals(forged pistons turbo race cams 750cc injectors fanncy inlet plenum and ecu witch i send off to get mapped)it it's not one of the cheap conversons done in a driveway it took over 2year to build it and alot of cash...yeah it got dyno'd down the road and it has a standerd vts gearbox but i sent it off to a place called gm motorsport and they changed a couple cogs so it is now geard for 182mph altho ive only had it up to 160mph so far.and as for my evo 350bhp is nothing for an evo when i got it it had 300bhp and i just did a few things like put a bigger turbo on it manifold and bigger injectors and a remap.as with the saxo the evo was rolling roaded and set up properly
A vts gearbox would've been better suited for an n/a engine with itb's, You would've been better just switching to a vtr box running such high power you would of had a nice ratio'd gearbox for that amount of power, it must be weird having a vts box geared for 182mph when its never going to reach that.
Teah i did consider a vtr box at 1st but as i had the bts box off the car i just used it....yeah it's a little weird but i dunno i think it could get pretty close to 182 as i've had it 160mph ish so far and it was still pulling fine...if the box blows up i will go for a vtr box tho....am considering taking the engine out and putting it in the boot just for a bit of fun but dunno maby i will just start a new project,i been thinking of doing a mk1 vw polo with maby a bike engine but dunno yet
Who'd have thunk that one photo would've lasted 4 pages?
Who'd have thunk that one photo would've lasted 4 pages?
Intelligent talk I would say. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as autos go.
Was at the race track today and spoke to a couple of guys....One with a Hhhhhot Cooper S+ and another with an Audi TT FWD.
Close to 300 hp for the mini and the 1.8 litre TT was well over 300...
Excellent run results....comparable to RWD......
caithnesslad
04-Jun-11, 18:51
Intelligent talk I would say. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as autos go.
Was at the race track today and spoke to a couple of guys....One with a Hhhhhot Cooper S+ and another with an Audi TT FWD.
Close to 300 hp for the mini and the 1.8 litre TT was well over 300...
Excellent run results....comparable to RWD......
Be pretty easy to get that sort of power from both as the tt is turbo'd and the cooper charged, would be a fair handful to drive the mini with that sort of power :D
Where was this at the sprints? I might go tommorow if i can.
Always makes me laugh, us brits go to extrordinary lengths to 'tune' every last ounce of power. The Yanks just crane in another 400BHP:lol:
Always makes me laugh, us brits go to extrordinary lengths to 'tune' every last ounce of power. The Yanks just crane in another 400BHP:lol:
Yes so correct....but different Countries pose different probs.....
Imagine a 1.2 litre idling for an hour or more with a heavy duty alternator on, keeping the lights on and the heater blowing at full blast to keep the ice off the windows! Perhaps 20/30 below 0. And long journies, perhaps driving at 60-70mph for hours on end. So we need something that can idle at 700rpm or so, and still generate power to the battery....yes it is quite easy to generate power by increasing cc`s. and a v6 3-8L., lite turbo can get over 30mpg...At 60mph approx 1600-1800rpm.
Just had a 2 litre 6 speed car in the UK....at 31mpg!!
Yeah i have uprated all the internals(forged pistons turbo race cams 750cc injectors fanncy inlet plenum and ecu witch i send off to get mapped)it it's not one of the cheap conversons done in a driveway it took over 2year to build it and alot of cash...yeah it got dyno'd down the road and it has a standerd vts gearbox but i sent it off to a place called gm motorsport and they changed a couple cogs so it is now geard for 182mph altho ive only had it up to 160mph so far.and as for my evo 350bhp is nothing for an evo when i got it it had 300bhp and i just did a few things like put a bigger turbo on it manifold and bigger injectors and a remap.as with the saxo the evo was rolling roaded and set up properly
Yes, but do you have a girlfriend? :D
Yes, but do you have a girlfriend? :D
There are priorities in one's life!! Likely cheaper and perhaps safer..............
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