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Seems to be a blitz of police doing speed checks.. recently at Bower on the B878, Mrs Beks and I were driving from Wick towards Castletown, and going round the corner at Bower, and up ahead were a couple of coppers in fluorescent jackets aiming a speed gun. No problem, we were under the speed limit. Then later going through Watten from Thurso, towards Wick there was one of these white camera vans parked up, again no problems.
And then yesterday, going through Reay from Thurso, the 'School 20 mph sign' was flashing.. So slowed down to that speed, drove past the school, swung around to the right (past the church there) and smack bang up ahead could just make out two figures in black, and as we drew up to them, saw it was a Copper and a WPC with a speed gun..
We were observing the speed limit, BUT it was difficult to see these two and it was an accident waiting to happen, as wearing black is rather silly when: "Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside [with hand held speed cameras] must wear fluorescent jackets"...
I'm all for it at Bower and Watten, the speeding through these villages is rampant. If they had actually put up fixed camaras in places where they would have decreased dangerous speed they would have been a success. Instead they put them where they would fine the most people
John Little
15-Mar-11, 14:15
Machonnachie's revenge..... :(
Machonnachie's revenge..... :(
Oh John, please don't. You'll set David off again. :eek:
"..And then yesterday, going through Reay from Thurso, the 'School 20 mph sign' was flashing.. So slowed down to that speed.."
If you were in your Volvo were you going downhill and have a tail wind behind you?
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Bekisman was driving home along the A9 when Mrs Bekisman rang him on his carphone,
"honey", she says in a worried voice, "Be careful! There was a bit on the news just now, some lunatic is driving the wrong way along the A9",
"It's worse than that!", Bekisman replies "There are hundreds of them!"
It's the end of the financial year...... ;)
If you were in your Volvo were you going downhill and have a tail wind behind you?
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Bekisman was driving home along the A9 when Mrs Bekisman rang him on his carphone,
"honey", she says in a worried voice, "Be careful! There was a bit on the news just now, some lunatic is driving the wrong way along the A9",
"It's worse than that!", Bekisman replies "There are hundreds of them!"
Oh very witty Anfield, it was NOT the A9 it was the M74.. (I see you're not original: http://lunatic.funnypart.com/ )
But I can't drive anymore, had to surrender my licence for medical reasons, so Mrs Beks now drives, but has always has done most of it - mind you she scares me at times, like in 1990 when we were stopped by the police on the M74, Mrs beks driving, with a trailer in tow, doing 93MPH.. BUT she "had good lane discipline" and it "was a braked trailer" so it was; '"on you go madam"
Anyway I'm bright enough to know which side of the road to drive - although, actually, I have driven down motorways against the traffic flow, a dangerous manoeuvre of course but it was only a short distance and it was a fire appliance - maybe health and safety crap would stop that now, but when a bloke is burning to death in a van which has been rammed, instant decisions have to be taken..
One Day Anfield you'll get a chance to drive a turbo V70 and, like the vast majority you'll be hooked; 'Volvo for life' - they ain't far wrong..;)
".. One Day Anfield you'll get a chance to drive a turbo V70..
Na na na na na, My dads bigger than you dad
You know what they say about men who boast about the size of their car.............
Totally agree it shouldna bother anyone that doing the speed limit .if you dont understand why they do it ,just go on till you tube and see why the speed limit is there .its there for a reason .
Totally agree it shouldna bother anyone that doing the speed limit .if you dont understand why they do it ,just go on till you tube and see why the speed limit is there .its there for a reason .
Sorry? could you elaborate...
Na na na na na, My dads bigger than you dad
You know what they say about men who boast about the size of their car.............
But my hands are HUGE!!!
John Little
15-Mar-11, 18:33
Na na na na na, My dads bigger than you dad
You know what they say about men who boast about the size of their car.............
Nuff o that you two.
I am bigger than anybody's Dad...
The advert that explanes that if you hit a kid at 30mph you more likely to kill the kid but if you hit a kid at 20 mph they are more likely to survive their injurys .They have the limit for a reason .You just never know what may come out in front of your car and if you doing a resonabil speed you have the time to react .(sorry about the spelling my spell check not working ):D
Nuff o that you two.
I am bigger than anybody's Dad...
So, you're not really 'little'..
John Little
15-Mar-11, 18:56
Not in any sense of the word old boy!
Save with a capital.
The advert that explanes that if you hit a kid at 30mph you more likely to kill the kid but if you hit a kid at 20 mph they are more likely to survive their injurys .They have the limit for a reason .You just never know what may come out in front of your car and if you doing a resonabil speed you have the time to react .(sorry about the spelling my spell check not working ):D
Yep, fair enough, as I said in my initial post on all the occasions we observed the speed limits.. and I certainly know the effects vehicle crashes can have upon young bodies - even at low speeds..
As an aside I seem to understand that these 20 mph limits are not actually enforceable in Scotland - something to do with the hand-held speed checkers unable to be accurate at such low speeds? IF that IS the case, about time a machine was produced that could..
Yep, fair enough, as I said in my initial post on all the occasions we observed the speed limits.. and I certainly know the effects vehicle crashes can have upon young bodies - even at low speeds..
As an aside I seem to understand that these 20 mph limits are not actually enforceable in Scotland - something to do with the hand-held speed checkers unable to be accurate at such low speeds? IF that IS the case, about time a machine was produced that could..
yes totally agree with yah there about the machine .i can mind ma dad hit a bairn after she ran out from behind a icecream van years ago the bairn broke her arm luckly for the bairn ma dad was only going about 15 mph but he was a broken man for what had happend,he went to visit the bairn with a big bag of sweets luckly she was on the mend soon .But i also know the effect that speed allso has, as i lost a nephew recently to his driver speeding .it has caused heart ache and devastation in our family:(:~(
But my hands are HUGE!!!
You need huge hands (and feet) to push a Volvo to get it up to 20mph
You need huge hands (and feet) to push a Volvo to get it up to 20mph
You obviously have no idea what hands refer too do you?
You don't half talk rubbish Anfield, certainly obvious you've never had a big, lovely, powerful car, our last one had 210 horse power so really no need to push.. and before that was an 850 turbo, which was a right little mover.
Over in Germany on the E30 A2 it's quite pleasant to drive for often hours at over 100 mph but there was still plenty in reserve, as the thing could touch 142 mph..
But come, come, this has nothing to do with speed, but to do with envy - I am well aware that you are anti-Volvo as they go against your scouse socialist principles (Wot! a Scouser with principles?)
Ok then - tell us what fantastic groovy cool vehicle you've got - you seem rather coy here?
Q. If you see a Scouser on a bicycle, why should you never swerve to hit him?
A: It might be your bicycle
OR
Q: What do you say to a scouser on a bike?
A: Stop Thief!
Sorry could not resist ;)
Ok then - tell us what fantastic groovy cool vehicle you've got - you seem rather coy here?
One that does not need snow shoes (http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?131477-Tyre-socks) on every time it snows!
One that does not need snow shoes (http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?131477-Tyre-socks) on every time it snows!
Ah, at last we discover you don't care a hoot about saving the planet, a big gas-guzzling 4 wheel drive thing, throwing loads of pollutants into the air for our children to breath - don't you have a conscience! I fully agree wholeheartedly that Greenpeace denounces four wheel drivers as 'climate criminals'... Be ashamed..:~(
Ah, at last we discover you don't care a hoot about saving the planet, a big gas-guzzling 4 wheel drive thing, throwing loads of pollutants into the air for our children to breath - don't you have a conscience! I fully agree wholeheartedly that Greenpeace denounces four wheel drivers as 'climate criminals'... Be ashamed..:~(
Last year you wanted to know where everyone lived. This year you want to know what cars people drive.
Are you the commandant for the Strathy Stasi?
Ah, at last we discover you don't care a hoot about saving the planet, a big gas-guzzling 4 wheel drive thing, throwing loads of pollutants into the air for our children to breath - don't you have a conscience! I fully agree wholeheartedly that Greenpeace denounces four wheel drivers as 'climate criminals'... Be ashamed..:~(
Hmm, he could be driving a nice clean LPG truck you know, or how about a fiat panda, or perhaps a nissan micra fitted with decent snow tyres.
Correct me if I am wrong but the 5 cylinder volvo T5 powerplant isnt the most fuel efficient in the world is it?
Not that my vehicles are the greenest in the world, but he who lives in a glass house.
As for greenpeace...pffft I am sure the rainbow warrior chews through its fair share of marine diesel, hypocrites the lot of them
Seems to be a blitz of police doing speed checks.. recently at Bower on the B878, Mrs Beks and I were driving from Wick towards Castletown, and going round the corner at Bower, and up ahead were a couple of coppers in fluorescent jackets aiming a speed gun. No problem, we were under the speed limit. Then later going through Watten from Thurso, towards Wick there was one of these white camera vans parked up, again no problems.
And then yesterday, going through Reay from Thurso, the 'School 20 mph sign' was flashing.. So slowed down to that speed, drove past the school, swung around to the right (past the church there) and smack bang up ahead could just make out two figures in black, and as we drew up to them, saw it was a Copper and a WPC with a speed gun..
We were observing the speed limit, BUT it was difficult to see these two and it was an accident waiting to happen, as wearing black is rather silly when: "Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside [with hand held speed cameras] must wear fluorescent jackets"...
Were the cops actually standing on the road then?
If so you shouldve pulled over and pointed out the error of their ways mate.
there is no such DFT guidelines (I spent ages trying to find them, the only thing i found was that exact phrase from an outdated website!)
There are however the ACPOS guidelines
http://acpos.police.uk/Documents/Policies/ROAD%20POLICING%20-%20Code%20of%20Practice%20for%20Use%20of%20Road%20 Policing%20Enforcement%20Technology%202004.pdf
bear in mind it is GUIDELINES
"Except in exceptional operational circumstances, devices should normally be
operated from positions where they will be clearly visible to the public"
States nothing about reflective jackets, only in a place that they are visible, hence the police are allowed to use unmarked cars etc because they are visible.
Hmm, he could be driving a nice clean LPG truck you know, or how about a fiat panda, or perhaps a nissan micra fitted with decent snow tyres.
Correct me if I am wrong but the 5 cylinder volvo T5 powerplant isnt the most fuel efficient in the world is it?
Not that my vehicles are the greenest in the world, but he who lives in a glass house.
As for greenpeace...pffft I am sure the rainbow warrior chews through its fair share of marine diesel, hypocrites the lot of them
Hmm, just got in, and what do I find? some chap who has no idea of irony or dare I say it light-hearted banter.. Coincidently enough a good friend of mine - Alain Mafart - who was in the French military and based in Corsica might ring a bell ref the above? still mystified?, give you a clue: begins with G and ends in E (did you not notice I spelt it wrong in my thread.). tut, tut, not very observant, are you old chap
(This is a Wink: ;) )
Were the cops actually standing on the road then?
If so you shouldve pulled over and pointed out the error of their ways mate.
Nah I'm a bit too wise (presume you're not) to stir up a copper, no matter if he is in the road and not in a (Guideline) fluorescent Jacket - bit dim that 'mate'..
there is no such DFT guidelines (I spent ages trying to find them, the only thing i found was that exact phrase from an outdated website!)
There are however the ACPOS guidelines
http://acpos.police.uk/Documents/Policies/ROAD%20POLICING%20-%20Code%20of%20Practice%20for%20Use%20of%20Road%20 Policing%20Enforcement%20Technology%202004.pdf
bear in mind it is GUIDELINES
"Except in exceptional operational circumstances, devices should normally be
operated from positions where they will be clearly visible to the public"
States nothing about reflective jackets, only in a place that they are visible, hence the police are allowed to use unmarked cars etc because they are visible.
Wow I always thought it was just Department of Transport, now I know it's not 'of' but 'for' transport.. I learn something every day!
I said: Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside [with hand held speed cameras] must wear fluorescent jackets"...
Try this, put in Google: "Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside"... then tell 'em they got it wrong
No idea why you are so very tetchy but you also post: "Except in exceptional operational circumstances, devices should normally be operated from positions where they will be clearly visible to the public" So we agree!!
Being a bit picky old chap aren't you? Maybe a copper?, as you certainly post a bit on the rules and regulations.. Can YOU clear this up: is the 20mph around schools legally enforceable in Scotland?
I would have no problem in pointing out if a copper is in the wrong.
I have nothing to hide.
Wow I always thought it was just Department of Transport, now I know it's not 'of' but 'for' transport.. I learn something every day!
I said: Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside [with hand held speed cameras] must wear fluorescent jackets"...
Try this, put in Google: "Department of Transport guidelines says policemen on the roadside"... then tell 'em they got it wrong
No idea why you are so very tetchy but you also post: "Except in exceptional operational circumstances, devices should normally be operated from positions where they will be clearly visible to the public" So we agree!!
Being a bit picky old chap aren't you? Maybe a copper?, as you certainly post a bit on the rules and regulations.. Can YOU clear this up: is the 20mph around schools legally enforceable in Scotland?
yes it is provided the correct sineage is displayed at the required intervals
Hmm, just got in, and what do I find? some chap who has no idea of irony or dare I say it light-hearted banter.. Coincidently enough a good friend of mine - Alain Mafart - who was in the French military and based in Corsica might ring a bell ref the above? still mystified?, give you a clue: begins with G and ends in E (did you not notice I spelt it wrong in my thread.). tut, tut, not very observant, are you old chap
(This is a Wink: ;) )
Apart from the fact you are blithering on about some bloke that killed an innocent civillian and was sent down for it, I am completely lost in your post
I would have no problem in pointing out if a copper is in the wrong.
I have nothing to hide.
Well, I did presume - see above..
Well, I did presume - see above..
I fail to see thought how a policeman would be "stirred up" if you politely pointed out that by him or her standing in the road they were causing hazard.
Last year you wanted to know where everyone lived. This year you want to know what cars people drive.
Are you the commandant for the Strathy Stasi?
Yes, of course you are right I did start a thread, but not with the misplaced idea you are surmising ! I posted to wonder why orgers do not give their 'location' purely as an aid to statements such as it's 'snowing here'. I did actually emphasise that I did not mean 'exactly' where they were, and gave examples: Edinburgh, Kuwait, Tucson. Melvich etc.. Now no doubt this will be labyrinthine to you, so I will type this slowly as I expect you cannot read very fast.. 'it was not a suggestion as to the precise location, more a generalisation.'. do-you-understand?
As to your mention that I am the Stasi Commandant of Strathy - I thank you, but I suspect that as you came from Scouse land, you've not ventured afar.. On the other hand I well remember the 2nd June 1976 At Frankfurt Oder having a 'discussion' with the Grenztruppen der DDR - where he declared I did not have a visa to enter the DDR, I've not really been scared, but this occasion he has been one of the very few who did, blue piercing eyes under a peaked cap.. I think I've lost you there Anfield, bit too deep one fears..
I don't care what car people drive, but any hint of polluting our beautiful world is sacrosanct.. surely you understand that?
David Banks
17-Mar-11, 20:14
Oh John, please don't. You'll set David off again. :eek:
Me?
I can't find anything on "Machonnachie's revenge" on google.
Explanation please - I've been in the colonies too long.
The only website it comes up with is
http://www.ukspeedcameras.co.uk/
it cites no official sources, what I meant by my previous post was that I could find no official sources of that apparent quote for department for transport.
yes they should be visible, but doesnt mean they HAVE to wear Jackets, they just have to be able to be seen.
I have no idea about the 20mph zones but i would assume they are legal since roads is not a devolved power to the scottish goverment, so still under english legislation
and I am studying for a degree in law so that is why I like regulations!
The only website it comes up with is
http://www.ukspeedcameras.co.uk/
it cites no official sources, what I meant by my previous post was that I could find no official sources of that apparent quote for department for transport.
yes they should be visible, but doesnt mean they HAVE to wear Jackets, they just have to be able to be seen.
I have no idea about the 20mph zones but i would assume they are legal since roads is not a devolved power to the scottish goverment, so still under english legislation
and I am studying for a degree in law so that is why I like regulations!
Ah, I see - best of luck with your degree...
Me?
I can't find anything on "Machonnachie's revenge" on google.
Explanation please - I've been in the colonies too long.
Different David I think - the above named mcconnachie was posting on "are the police above the law" thread if you can bear reading innumerable pages when a simple no would have sufficed. He did make interesting reading tho.
Different David I think - the above named mcconnachie was posting on "are the police above the law" thread if you can bear reading innumerable pages when a simple no would have sufficed. He did make interesting reading tho.
Me?
I can't find anything on "Machonnachie's revenge" on google.
Explanation please - I've been in the colonies too long.
Yes, sorry David Banks. It was a poster who just used the name 'David' I was referring to. Thanks to davem for clarifying.
Wouldn't it be just as easy to call into the local Police Station at the time of the incident, giving location where they were not clearly seen/ identified as Police, talk to the Officer in Charge, e.g. A Sgt., and say that you had difficulty seeing the Officers. All it would take is a simple call to them from 'The Boss', and problem solved.
John Little
18-Mar-11, 07:41
The only website it comes up with is
http://www.ukspeedcameras.co.uk/
it cites no official sources, what I meant by my previous post was that I could find no official sources of that apparent quote for department for transport.
yes they should be visible, but doesnt mean they HAVE to wear Jackets, they just have to be able to be seen.
I have no idea about the 20mph zones but i would assume they are legal since roads is not a devolved power to the scottish goverment, so still under english legislation
and I am studying for a degree in law so that is why I like regulations!
If you are studying for law then you will find that it is a requirement expected of you that language be precise in meaning. My assumption would be that the law is under UK legislation. Since there is no English parliament it cannot be under English legislation.
Wouldn't it be just as easy to call into the local Police Station at the time of the incident, giving location where they were not clearly seen/ identified as Police, talk to the Officer in Charge, e.g. A Sgt., and say that you had difficulty seeing the Officers. All it would take is a simple call to them from 'The Boss', and problem solved.
Goodness me, why all the concern - even got ex-pat coppers recommending things I should do now.. I suggest you check my initial #1 post saying it was 'rather silly' not to be wearing fluorescent jackets, but this has been corrected by a legal beagle to say it's only 'guidelines'..
"Excuse me desk sergeant but your coppers weren't wearing fluorescent jackets" Sgt: " Oh, but it's only guidelines sir, and I am sure they are experienced enough to know if they should wear them or not, and anyway if they had 'em on, they wouldn't catch anyone would they, Sir"..
So let 'em get on with it.. Having attended a few hundred - maybe more - RTA/C/I's in one of the busiest parts of UK, I know it's common sense, which again refers to my initial sentence of being "rather silly"...
I am unsure of what you sayeth here, so I shall respct your superior thoughts.....Like yourself I did think it was a wee bitty silly! And Thank you.
I am unsure of what you sayeth here, so I shall respct your superior thoughts.....Like yourself I did think it was a wee bitty silly! And Thank you.
No sure what part I 'sayeth' here you are unsure of, but never mind.. am pleased we ex-emergency service chaps do agree on one thing.. ;)
I usually agree with what you say, but then you indicated the Volvo...5 cyl/ 210 hp.....was something of a 'fast machine'.
I don't mean to offend, but the word 'Slug' comes to mind! Seems it was an auto mag. Oh well...to each his own....
I usually agree with what you say, but then you indicated the Volvo...5 cyl/ 210 hp.....was something of a 'fast machine'.
I don't mean to offend, but the word 'Slug' comes to mind! Seems it was an auto mag. Oh well...to each his own....
Yep, suppose you're right:
'The 850 Turbo estate is capable of top speeds in excess of 250 kms per hour (155 mph) when ungoverned. Production models of the estate and saloon are electronically governed to approximately 142 mph (229 km/h).'
[QUOTE=bekisman;832071][SIZE=2]Yep, suppose you're right:
'The 850 Turbo estate is capable of top speeds in excess of 250 kms per hour (155 mph) when ungoverned. Production models of the estate and saloon are electronically governed to approximately 142 mph (229 km/h).'
Actually they are quite good for the top speed. It's the acceleration. They are a lovely car and 230 kmh is pretty good.....and compared with the 'wee ones' in the UK/ Europe they are likely outstanding.....It's another world here.
We are just getting in the 1.4 litre turbos...Prior to that our usual 4 cyls were 2.2 litre minimum. It seems that it is going to be a new driving experience/ learning with the smaller engines....The Mini is again quite popular, but it is small compared with the usual North American veh, and thus more prone to collapsing when in contact with a full size model.
I think I opined before....what's good in the UK, is not so good in North America and vice versa.
A friend drove the 'New Chevy Cruise...perhaps your Vauxhall or Opel, on the highway between Ottawa and Toronto, and any small hill it geared down with the turbo kicking in. We are used to sitting at 70mph at 2000rpm.....in O/D.
[QUOTE=bekisman;832071][SIZE=2]Yep, suppose you're right:
'The 850 Turbo estate is capable of top speeds in excess of 250 kms per hour (155 mph) when ungoverned. Production models of the estate and saloon are electronically governed to approximately 142 mph (229 km/h).'
Actually they are quite good for the top speed. It's the acceleration. They are a lovely car and 230 kmh is pretty good.....and compared with the 'wee ones' in the UK/ Europe they are likely outstanding.....It's another world here.
We are just getting in the 1.4 litre turbos...Prior to that our usual 4 cyls were 2.2 litre minimum. It seems that it is going to be a new driving experience/ learning with the smaller engines....The Mini is again quite popular, but it is small compared with the usual North American veh, and thus more prone to collapsing when in contact with a full size model.
I think I opined before....what's good in the UK, is not so good in North America and vice versa.
A friend drove the 'New Chevy Cruise...perhaps your Vauxhall or Opel, on the highway between Ottawa and Toronto, and any small hill it geared down with the turbo kicking in. We are used to sitting at 70mph at 2000rpm.....in O/D.
Yes, we think it was one of the better Volvo's we had.. but the one we've got now, the Volvo V70 2.0D SE (134bhp @4000rpm, 6 speed manual, 10.9sec 0-60 [yawn] 121 mph, 47.9pmg, manual) is the worst - only had it for 18 months from new, and we are getting rid of it, to go back to an older V70 - that actually 'looks' like a Volvo estate..Mrs Beks wants a petrol, automatic, turbo - preferable white.
This 'thing' is too 'chuggy' - hate the electronic handbrake, it's got rails down the inside for load carrying (a blighter to clean), put the seats down and they don't come to the front seats, so stuff falls down the back (Something to do with anti-whiplash) got a floating consul which just takes up room, the side pockets are to small and narrow, the inside handles have no bottom, so the phone drops straight through, every time you start up it says "rear seatbelt not in use" - we bloody know that!, nobody in them.. Nothing big, just little irritations.. Can't blow up even a wheelbarrow tyre without having the engine running, to clean the front wipers the arm scraps the bonnet etc
Know what you mean about vehicles over there, my eldest son in Toronto (Richmond) recently wrote: "Got a new car, bit of a beast 3.5 V6 AWD gas hog Dodge " Tut tut, I'll have to have words with him
Know what you mean about vehicles over there, my eldest son in Toronto (Richmond) recently wrote: "Got a new car, bit of a beast 3.5 V6 AWD gas hog Dodge " Tut tut, I'll have to have words with him[/QUOTE]
Yes..Mine is 3.8 litre lt turbo....engine idles at 70 mph. 25/35 mpg....That Dodge engine is a guzzler tho'! Diesels are still not making it here.
My usual rental car in the UK is the Peugeot 407 Turbo D.. There were 2 sizes of engines and I get the bigger one. And with a manual it is a rocket...and great fuel economy.
How long has your son been in the Great To? What area......?
Know what you mean about vehicles over there, my eldest son in Toronto (Richmond) recently wrote: "Got a new car, bit of a beast 3.5 V6 AWD gas hog Dodge " Tut tut, I'll have to have words with him
Yes..Mine is 3.8 litre lt turbo....engine idles at 70 mph. 25/35 mpg....That Dodge engine is a guzzler tho'! Diesels are still not making it here.
My usual rental car in the UK is the Peugeot 407 Turbo D.. There were 2 sizes of engines and I get the bigger one. And with a manual it is a rocket...and great fuel economy.
How long has your son been in the Great To? What area......?[/QUOTE]
Just had a look on Google street view and his bloody great truck is on it... He went out there in 2003, it's actually Richmond Hill, Ontario (but we all know it's on the outskirts of Toronto). loves it there...
Just had a look on Google street view and his bloody great truck is on it... He went out there in 2003, it's actually Richmond Hill, Ontario (but we all know it's on the outskirts of Toronto). loves it there...[/QUOTE]
Hi,
Used to live there myself. V nice area. Am just to the East of there...Whitby..
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