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As the Council are now going to change us for NOT get the right stuff in the Right bin ,is it time to find an old 40 gallon drum and start burning our waste .It would mean that we could not get FINED for putting the wrong stuff in the wrong bin ...Pass the matches ..
I don't understand the logic of the changes either, we recycle as much as possible but at present our household bin is fairly full after 1 week (mainly the excess food packaging used by supermarkets and I don't know which of the plastics can go in the recycling bin apart from milk and lemonade bottles) and the recycling bin is fairly full after 4 weeks, so in future we are going to have to find some way fo disposing of the household rubbish which won't fit in the bin and yet our recycling bin is going to be collected when it is only half full.
In a 4 week period we have 4 household bin collections and 1 recycle bin collection, in future we will have 2 household and 2 recycle collections, that is a 20% reduction in collections but will they have to buy new lorries for the recycling collections or clean out the existing ones?
As dozy says above there will probably be more bonfires and more pollution.
Would any council members care to explain the logic please?
I think that so long as they let us know what can and can't go in which bin we should all be OK. As Muffin says, it's the excess supermarket packaging that's the problem. Perhaps we should take it back to the supermarkets to dispose of!
thats what i was wondering about.. what can you put into the plastic bins? is it the wash everything before we put it in routine or do we just toss it in..
like tins of juice.. do we wash them all out first?
im just not sure what we are suppose to do?
I know you can only put in certain plastics so if I don't know what the plastic is then I don't put it in.
As for tins, you are supposed to rinse them out and that would also be hygenic especially if they sit in the bin for days in the summer.
Alien Adrenaline Reflex
19-Feb-11, 17:37
I dont understand this thread. Change us into what? good clean recyclers? ok I get it you mean charge
wow the council is finally bringing us into line with other more modern part s of europe, like germany where recycling is the norm: http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/recycling.html
and what about for takiing back your packaging to the supermarkets? if you would going to all that bother why not just recycle it properly or buy products that use less pakaging.
I don't understand the logic of the changes either, we recycle as much as possible but at present our household bin is fairly full after 1 week (mainly the excess food packaging used by supermarkets and I don't know which of the plastics can go in the recycling bin apart from milk and lemonade bottles) and the recycling bin is fairly full after 4 weeks, so in future we are going to have to find some way fo disposing of the household rubbish which won't fit in the bin and yet our recycling bin is going to be collected when it is only half full.
In a 4 week period we have 4 household bin collections and 1 recycle bin collection, in future we will have 2 household and 2 recycle collections, that is a 20% reduction in collections but will they have to buy new lorries for the recycling collections or clean out the existing ones?
As dozy says above there will probably be more bonfires and more pollution.
Would any council members care to explain the logic please?
I know down in England - such as my son - the logic is that folks who have filled their bin before the scheduled collections, will nip it down to the recycling centre.. That's about a mile.
Up here I do not intend doing a 50 mile journey just to comply with the regulations - and I am sure a lot of others are not either.. I foresee noticing quite a number of bin-bags in lay-bys
cuddlepop
19-Feb-11, 18:00
£60 charge for putting your rubbish in the wrong bin.When is this "dicatorship"going to stop.:(
Dozy,you'll find you'll be either charged or fined for burning your excess rubbish in "you" back garden.
We've had this second week uplift of household rubbish on Skye and it does work.You just have to be extra carefull when you put your rubbish in the "correct" bin.
What has happened is that you can find other peoples rubbish in your bin once you put it out the night before
Your bin lid is not closed properly and the council refuse to empty it.
I can see this "charging" for being a "naughty rubbish bin" fraught with problems though.:confused
wow the council is finally bringing us into line with other more modern part s of europe, like germany where recycling is the norm: http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/recycling.html
I've experienced the German recycling system and it's great.
But our country has a long way to go before we are close to the infrastructure the Germans have for recycling.
In Germany you can hardly buy a can of any drink, it all comes in bottles, coke, beer etc. You don't buy "cases" of beer, everything comes in plastic crates like milk crates. You pay a deposit on all bottles and crates.
Most supermarkets have a recycling "machine" when you put your old bottles/beer cases etc on a conveyer belt. The machine identifies each bottle, and gives you a reciept for your refund, either in cash or as a money off token for your shopping.
The provision of recycling banks is better too. They tend to have paper banks etc all over resedential areas, they're not just confined to supermarket car parks.
I like the idea of everyone recycling more, but I think the authorities have to make more of an effort than just handing out a pile of recycling boxes and warning of fines.
How about the food companies providing supermarkets having to take back the packing - would be one step of reducing unwanted packing in bins ...
Just look at how much millions of plastic bottles like milk and soft drinks that are thrown away every day why cant they go back to the old days when there was glass bottles that could be used time and time again.
Some time back we presented a scheme to the Council through the Highland Waste Strategy in which households would have 3 bins
.One large bin for the collection of dry waste ie plastic,tins,glass,paper,cardboard etc
.Two smaller bins ,1 for non-recyclable waste ie nappies , sanitary waste and some food waste ie bones plus another for just FOOD waste .
So its just three bins with nice big bold labels so we know what goes where.We wanted to use the biomass waste collected in the CHaP project
and with the waste cardboard,paper and wood being used locally folk could see the direct benefit .Its just a pity that those how have the say dont have the brains ....
Just look at how much millions of plastic bottles like milk and soft drinks that are thrown away every day
Yes Eddie, most of them end up on our beaches, I am sick of picking them up and taking them to the recycling centre!!
This world has gone completely mad, everything is throw away and disposable but at who's expense??!! Highland Council are just playing at it, they havent a clue about recycling!
C3... :-(
Kevin Milkins
19-Feb-11, 22:17
If it burns it goes on our fire, we put our bin out one a fortnight and it aint full then.
orkneycadian
19-Feb-11, 23:30
Same here. Nothing like a bit of recycling - into energy!
Most stuff goes in the fire and provides heat. Only stuff like tins and tin foil that can't.
An no faffing around with plastic bins!
Alien Adrenaline Reflex
19-Feb-11, 23:36
there is a chance our council can make a few quid from recycling by selling plastics to a company like this for example http://www.britishrecycledproducts.co.uk it would save a few trees at the same time for the enviromenalists.
Ahhhh I've just been given my very first bad (red) reputation point, reference this post: #7
I know down in England - such as my son - the logic is that folks who have filled their bin before the scheduled collections, will nip it down to the recycling centre.. That's about a mile.
Up here I do not intend doing a 50 mile journey just to comply with the regulations - and I am sure a lot of others are not either.. I foresee noticing quite a number of bin-bags in lay-bys..
This 'person' who is so very much offended, says that seeing that I once said that making a 50 mile journey to Tesco was my choice for shopping, I should not mind making a special trip to take my recycling when it needed it.
I HAVE been using the recycling services in Thurso.. This person who rides a bike, seems to think I somehow should be shoving my bags of crap, rusty bed-frames etc in to my car..
I need a LOT of space in my vehicle, I am severely disabled, and as I am no longer permitted to drive (been revoked by Neurology Specialist).. it's a bit too much to make Mrs Beks do the lot (If you don't mind my saying whinger, who flounced off in a huff months ago) Sad, sad git
PPS - Can you guess who it was?
so what happens when your neighbors put their rubbish in your bins and put the wrong thing in.. are you therefor liable when you had nothing to do with it?
so what happens when your neighbors put their rubbish in your bins and put the wrong thing in.. are you therefor liable when you had nothing to do with it?
Don't know, but happy birthday!
luskentyre
20-Feb-11, 00:57
It is REALLY so difficult for people to figure out (or find out) what can be recycled and what can't? Just have a think about how much waste we all generate. For a start, look at how much stuff is binned every week and multiply that by 60 million. That's how much gets thrown away (typically) in the UK alone - every single week. That's not even considering waste water and sewage...
Don't you think we have a responsibility to recycle as much as we possibly can?
I am sorry but a bit clueless about this.
Is there any regulations about setting a bonfire to get rid of stuff in your back garden?
Apart from that god help me if the kids put the wrong thing in the wrong bin....(it wont take much just a label etc...and then a black mark)
How about the food companies providing supermarkets having to take back the packing - would be one step of reducing unwanted packing in bins ...
Yes the big national supermarkets could play a key role in pressurising there supplier to change there packaging.
Look at all the special blank paper wasted in chipshops wraping up food then disposed back in the seventys and early eightys it used to be newspapers that never got sold the newspapers used to cut the logos of the unsold papers and return them to get there money back and the rest of the newspaper used to go to the chipshop at least the unsold newspaper wasnt wasted but thats banned now. And wonder how much of that blank paper is used in uk chip shops every day and how much unsold newspapers goes straight to the reycle bin when it could have done a second job
I am sorry but a bit clueless about this.
Is there any regulations about setting a bonfire to get rid of stuff in your back garden?
Apart from that god help me if the kids put the wrong thing in the wrong bin....(it wont take much just a label etc...and then a black mark)
If ure worried about a fine just make sure there is no paper in the bin with ure address in it thats the kind evidence they need to fine u i always shred all papers with bills or my address on i t?
Chrisf1961
20-Feb-11, 09:41
Its plastic bottles with 1 and 2 on them that can be recycled ...heres a list for recycling centre off the Highland govs website...somehow i seem to think no5 as well but im probably wrong ....
http://www.highland.gov.uk/yourenvironment/wastemanagement/recycling/arearecyclingcentres/wickrecyclingcentre.htm
flowertot
20-Feb-11, 10:11
As the Council are now going to change us for NOT get the right stuff in the Right bin ,is it time to find an old 40 gallon drum and start burning our waste .It would mean that we could not get FINED for putting the wrong stuff in the wrong bin ...Pass the matches ..
Start burning the wrong waste and SEPA will be fining you! Canna win nowadays. We'll need to have locks fitted to bins to prevent the unscupulous among us getting rid of their unwanted waste in others bins!!
What happens to those who are unable to go to recycling centres with bottles? Must be many old and disabled people in this category!
What happens to those who are unable to go to recycling centres with bottles? Must be many old and disabled people in this category!
Very true - as I near enough fit both categories - at the moment we mix our plastic bottles in with the cardboard etc - help a lot if glass bottles could be included instead of having to travel (polluting the atmosphere too with our cars!) to some recycling centre...
Very true - as I near enough fit both categories - at the moment we mix our plastic bottles in with the cardboard etc - help a lot if glass bottles could be included instead of having to travel (polluting the atmosphere too with our cars!) to some recycling centre...
Why aren't our councillors asking this question? Doesn't take a genius to realise that this will be a problem for many people!
What happens to those who are unable to go to recycling centres with bottles? Must be many old and disabled people in this category!
I would imagine nothing will happen to them.
As I read it, people are only facing fines if they do not make proper use of the recycling bins that they have been provided.
If you haven't been given a bin for glass, you can't get fined for putting glass in your "general" bin.
I would imagine nothing will happen to them.
As I read it, people are only facing fines if they do not make proper use of the recycling bins that they have been provided.
If you haven't been given a bin for glass, you can't get fined for putting glass in your "general" bin.
Hadn't thought of that! Hopefully at least ONE of our Councillors may wish to clarify that!!
Billy Boy
20-Feb-11, 12:08
Hadn't thought of that! Hopefully at least ONE of our Councillors may wish to clarify that!!
Why would you want a councillor to clarify that!! Surely it's common sense, If you haven't a separate bin for glass it go's in to your general bin?
Or are you easily puzzled?
Metalattakk
20-Feb-11, 12:10
I have a question about tin cans:
Do they all need to be rinsed with water? I mean, say a tin of soup. It will have a considerable residue left after emptying, so I can understand having to give it a sloosh under the tap. But what about drinks/juice cans? Do they all have to be rinsed too?
'Cos I'll tell you what, it'll be a PITA rinsing all those empty beer coke cans out before putting them in the bin.
Oh, and another thing: Why are we not being told exactly what's involved in this scheme? Why leave it up to vague stickers on bins, fuzzy websites and public-driven discussions on forums?
I have a question about tin cans:
Do they all need to be rinsed with water? I mean, say a tin of soup. It will have a considerable residue left after emptying, so I can understand having to give it a sloosh under the tap. But what about drinks/juice cans? Do they all have to be rinsed too?
I don't eat a lot of canned food, but yes, I'd wash out a soup can.
As for beer and coke cans, both of which I am responsible for more than my fair share of, I'd never dream of rinsing them, just make sure the worst of the dregs are gone.
If they ever introduced water metering in the area, I wouldn't be rinsing either.
Metalattakk
20-Feb-11, 12:22
I don't eat a lot of canned food, but yes, I'd wash out a soup can.
As for beer and coke cans, both of which I am responsible for more than my fair share of, I'd never dream of rinsing them, just make sure the worst of the dregs are gone.
If they ever introduced water metering in the area, I wouldn't be rinsing either.
Cheers, that's pretty much my thinking too. Now to convince the over-reactive wife. ;)
Billy Boy
20-Feb-11, 12:28
My understanding is that when you get your new bin, You also full information on what and what not to put in your recycling bin, And you will also get a timetable to tell which weeks your bins need to go out.
Going back to an earlier question in this thread, how will the council know if a drinks can sitting on top of the rest of your household rubbish was put there by you or a passer-by who didn't want to get caught by the visiting litter wardens?
Going back to an earlier question in this thread, how will the council know if a drinks can sitting on top of the rest of your household rubbish was put there by you or a passer-by who didn't want to get caught by the visiting litter wardens?
I don't suppose they will, or could.
I hope they'll employ some common sense. A couple of misplaced tin cans is different to a bin half full of recycleables.
£60 is £60 as far as our cash hungry council is concerned. I doubt if they will have any shades of grey when dishing out the fines.
Bill Fernie
20-Feb-11, 12:55
Waste disposal is undoubtedly one of the big problems facing us all. The Highland council with the biggest land area in Scotland and a low population has particular issues to overcome in dealing with the problems.
The Landfill Tax became one of the driving forces to bring about fundamental changes to the approach not least due to the sheer scale of the costs of the tax that have to be paid by taxpayers via their council tax etc.
Landfill Taxes ar rising fast and the rates are set to go on rising until 2013. Highland used to have a very poor recycling record. In the last few years however that has improved dramatically. We still have a long way to go to reach anything like what we need to do. Highland will always have the problems of geography to overcome in waste disposal as well as in many other apsects of living here.
Councillors do ask many questions of officials as to what is the best way forward in dealing with this issue. It is huge topic. Perhaps I can do best by referring to a couple of places online that may provide some of the information that councillors particularly on the TECS committee are wrestling with.
See Waste Data Report 2009/10
http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4A27474B-CEFB-47C4-AAFE-687E85797DEF/0/WasteDataReport20092010.pdf
and
A general guide to lanfill tax on the HMRC web site
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageExcise_ShowContent&propertyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000509
Note the cost per tonne of puttng loads to landfill and in particular the rates and how they are increasing year on year with poartiularly high increases from 2011 to 2013.
For more information on many aspects of how Highland Council is dealing with waste go to -
http://www.highland.gov.uk/yourenvironment/wastemanagement/
Stack Rock
20-Feb-11, 14:24
What happens to those who are unable to go to recycling centres with bottles? Must be many old and disabled people in this category!
Perhaps a relative, neighbour or home help could take it. I certainly do this for elderly people.
Why would you want a councillor to clarify that!! Surely it's common sense, If you haven't a separate bin for glass it go's in to your general bin?
Or are you easily puzzled?
Just wondered if they new the answer! HC website isn't that clear. Hopefully the 'recycling police' will know what is what - then again...............
Waste disposal is undoubtedly one of the big problems facing us all. The Highland council with the biggest land area in Scotland and a low population has particular issues to overcome in dealing with the problems.
The Landfill Tax became one of the driving forces to bring about fundamental changes to the approach not least due to the sheer scale of the costs of the tax that have to be paid by taxpayers via their council tax etc.
Landfill Taxes ar rising fast and the rates are set to go on rising until 2013. Highland used to have a very poor recycling record. In the last few years however that has improved dramatically. We still have a long way to go to reach anything like what we need to do. Highland will always have the problems of geography to overcome in waste disposal as well as in many other apsects of living here.
Councillors do ask many questions of officials as to what is the best way forward in dealing with this issue. It is huge topic. Perhaps I can do best by referring to a couple of places online that may provide some of the information that councillors particularly on the TECS committee are wrestling with.
See Waste Data Report 2009/10
http://www.highland.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4A27474B-CEFB-47C4-AAFE-687E85797DEF/0/WasteDataReport20092010.pdf
and
A general guide to lanfill tax on the HMRC web site
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageExcise_ShowContent&propertyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000509
Note the cost per tonne of puttng loads to landfill and in particular the rates and how they are increasing year on year with poartiularly high increases from 2011 to 2013.
For more information on many aspects of how Highland Council is dealing with waste go to -
http://www.highland.gov.uk/yourenvironment/wastemanagement/
Ok - but what happens is someone puts something in your bin before collection [which shouldn't be there]??
This is going to happen - is the poor householder going to be responsible? Will the bin men be asked to use commonsense? Or does the householder have to pay a fine + not get there bin emptied???? Still think the Website is confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As the Council are now going to change us for NOT get the right stuff in the Right bin ,is it time to find an old 40 gallon drum and start burning our waste .It would mean that we could not get FINED for putting the wrong stuff in the wrong bin ...Pass the matches ..
My opinion humble as it may be, this is just another means of screwing people out of more money,
next question... got the blue bin today.. but the collection dates on the paper start in April..
so do we ignore it to the beginning of april or will they be collecting before then?
Chrisf1961
21-Feb-11, 13:09
Wow did you Brandy! wahooo a new blue bin i miss the old recycle bins from when we lived in West Yorkshire...i must be the best customer up at the recycling centre in Wick as im never away ! No i think it will be as from the date shown on the leaflet April time
Oh ps i followed you into Tesco Wick yesterday (dont worry im not a stalker!) what was wrong with the door ?
on windy days they close one of the doors to stop the back-draft. most shops that have two entrances do up here.. just so you dont get blown asunder and any merchandise inside is left standing! often like that at homebase as well!
Chrisf1961
21-Feb-11, 13:15
Right with my eye sight i would have probably walked through the glass!
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