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24 MOUNTH AGO I FITTED OIL CENTRAL HEATING IN MY HOUSE AND FILLED A 1200 LTRS. TANK WITH HEATING OIL, IT COST ME £359. TODAY I GOT A INVOICE FROM THE OIL COMPANY FOR A STAGERING £700.60 AND THAT WAS FOR 1100 LTRS, WHAT HAPPING TO THIS GOVERMENT, I GET £100 A YEAR TO HELP ME WITH MY HEATING BILLS AS I AM A OAP, I CAN'T AFFORD THIS AMOUNT OF COST TO HEAT MY HOUSE, YOU FEEL LIKE POPING MY SELF IT WOULD BE WARMER IN HEVEN. THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE IN HELL.http://forum.caithness.org/images/icons/icon8.pnghttp://forum.caithness.org/images/icons/icon9.png
JUST WORKED IT OUT ITS 95% INCREASE IN 24 MOUNTHS
I don't think the increase in heating fuel can be blamed on the government.
Have they raised tax on heating fuel recently?
Certainly not enough to double the price you pay.
The crude oil price is high and rising, and that is determined largely by the Arabs. The British government have little influence there.
EDIT - Just checked, UK duty on heating oil is just under 10p a litre. The other £600 or so from your £700 bill goes to the oil companies.
24 MOUNTH AGO I FITTED OIL CENTRAL HEATING IN MY HOUSE AND FILLED A 1200 LTRS. TANK WITH HEATING OIL, IT COST ME £359. TODAY I GOT A INVOICE FROM THE OIL COMPANY FOR A STAGERING £700.60 AND THAT WAS FOR 1100 LTRS, WHAT HAPPING TO THIS GOVERMENT, I GET £100 A YEAR TO HELP ME WITH MY HEATING BILLS AS I AM A OAP, I CAN'T AFFORD THIS AMOUNT OF COST TO HEAT MY HOUSE, YOU FEEL LIKE POPING MY SELF IT WOULD BE WARMER IN HEVEN. THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE IN HELL.http://forum.caithness.org/images/icons/icon8.pnghttp://forum.caithness.org/images/icons/icon9.png
JUST WORKED IT OUT ITS 95% INCREASE IN 24 MOUNTHS
If your are a OAP as I am then you would get the Winter Heating Allowance of £250.00 in November. Then for every week the temp is 0C or below for 7 days then you will get £25.00 for this. This season this has happened 4 times. So for this winter you should have have an extra £350.00 to help with your heating and not just £100.00 as you stated.
Why all the shouting as just typing in Upper Case is shouting and quite rude.
Kodiak - I am an OAP too and I certainly do not get an extra £25 any time the temperature drops, you must be on some kind of benfit, invalidity, credits or something
I certainly wish I did get an extra £25 every time temperature drops.
Kodiak - I am an OAP too and I certainly do not get an extra £25 any time the temperature drops, you must be on some kind of benfit, invalidity, credits or something
I certainly wish I did get an extra £25 every time temperature drops.
Yes Pat. This is the misinformation branch of the Org at its worst. My Mum is an OAP but also receives Pension Credit which means that she receives the Cold Weather Payment at £25 per hit each time the temperature dips below the "acceptable" level.
I too am a Senior Citizen and yes I got my winter allowance, but down here in Auld Reekie where we reached temperatures of minus 19c , colder than Caithness ever was, I have never received any extra allowance, your must be privileged Kodiak
Mr. G..If it isn't too rude....what is the average cost for heat and electricity in a house and then in a flat???
Just wondering.....s
I too am a Senior Citizen and yes I got my winter allowance, but down here in Auld Reekie where we reached temperatures of minus 19c , colder than Caithness ever was, I have never received any extra allowance, your must be privileged Kodiak
If you are in receipt of a State Pension Only then you would be entitled to claim Pension Credit. If you get Pension Credit then you would get Cold Weather Payments. Since I only get Pension Credit I qualify for Cold weather payments.
If you are not entitled to Pension Credit then means that you are in receipt of more than the minimum income. This is £132.60 if you are single or £202.40 if you have a partner and as such then not entitled to Cold weather payments.
If you are a OAP and your weekly Pension is less than those amounts above then you should apply for Pension Credit.
Winter Fuel Allowance is paid to all OAP's who were born before 5th July 1950 at the rate of £250.00 which is paid in November/December.
If you are 80 on or before 26th September 2010 then you will receive £400.00 for the Winter Fuel Allowance.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Pensionsandretirementplanning/StatePension/DG_188551
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Inretirement/DG_10018668
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Pensionsandretirementplanning/Benefits/BenefitsInRetirement/DG_10018657
orkneycadian
18-Feb-11, 00:54
Why all the shouting as just typing in Upper Case is shouting and quite rude.
Looks like they left the caps lock key on to me, or else perhaps they find upper case easier to read. Whenever anyone does this, they generally get accused of shouting, but the reality is, who actually shouts on forums?
Some folk on here have a lower standard of spelling or grammar than others, and on the whole its accepted as "their way of contributing" (unless its a thread on Classroom Assistants and the standard of education, in which case it will be pounced upon! ;))
If someone types in upper case, accidentally or otherwise, its not worrying me! :D
Kodiak, sadly I do not qualify for any of the benefits you have mentioned[disgust]
I too am a Senior Citizen and yes I got my winter allowance, but down here in Auld Reekie where we reached temperatures of minus 19c , colder than Caithness ever was, I have never received any extra allowance, your must be privileged Kodiak
Hi Golach,
The criteria for the cold weather payment is that the temp in your postcode has to fall to freezing point or below for 7 consecutive days and then you get your £25 for that period, you could have 6 days at freezing or below and if the temp on the 7th day is higher than freezing then you dont get it and then you have to start all over again from scratch !
I have had 5 payments this winter...all of December and the first week in January, it certainly came in handy when I got my bill in maddle of January!!
C3.....:);)
Corrie 3 , as I posted to Kodiak, I do not qualify for the cold weather benefits I must be getting a very good pension :(
The recent increase in VAT does not apply to heating oil. All of the price increase is down to the oil companies.
I find Simpsons Oil to be the cheapest in the area by a long way.
The government is looking to refer the price of heating oil & Calor Gas to the Office of Fair Trading.
tonkatojo
18-Feb-11, 13:08
A mate of mine just paid 0.53p per Litre from a new business called " Rix Oils " unfortunately they are based in Felton Northumberland, he was paying 0.73p to a firm called Bayford oils in Alnwick.
orkneycadian
19-Feb-11, 10:45
Why all the shouting as just typing in Upper Case is shouting and quite rude.
Just another thought. If on forums, some folk consider block capitals as "shouting", what are the repeated use of weird and wonderful oversized fonts considered to be in Doolallysons Diary? Some are in such big font, I only get about 3 words to the line (its an old monitor... One of these ones with the glass on the front and deeper than it is wide...), some are in "block bold" (is that considered by some as yelling as opposed to shouting?) and some of the fonts I haven't seen since the days of the ZX Spectrum!
Bilge rat
19-Feb-11, 13:28
I don't think the increase in heating fuel can be blamed on the government.
Have they raised tax on heating fuel recently?
Certainly not enough to double the price you pay.
The crude oil price is high and rising, and that is determined largely by the Arabs. The British government have little influence there.
EDIT - Just checked, UK duty on heating oil is just under 10p a litre. The other £600 or so from your £700 bill goes to the oil companies.
A recent news report said that the civil unrest in Bahrain was driving up oil prices and the first tom go up Brent Crude from the North Sea. Can't see the connection myself, seems like good old fashioned profiteering, which the goverment could "encourage" the oil companies to stop if they wanted to.
Corrie 3 , as I posted to Kodiak, I do not qualify for the cold weather benefits I must be getting a very good pension :(
Sigh, me too:~(
A recent news report said that the civil unrest in Bahrain was driving up oil prices and the first tom go up Brent Crude from the North Sea. Can't see the connection myself, seems like good old fashioned profiteering, which the goverment could "encourage" the oil companies to stop if they wanted to.
The civil unrest in Bahrain won't have any physical effect on the production of north sea oil.
"Brent Crude" is a traders term, based on the historical influence of the Brent field as an oil producing area. It will continue to exist long after the Brent field has disappeared. Another basic oil traded is "Texas Light" Crude.
The world oil prices are set based on these, and other, benchmarks. I work in the North Sea, and my platform produces oil worth 25% more than Brent. Other platforms produce oils of differing qualities and thus prices.
What drives the price change is speculation. Supply and demand and all that. If the traders and investment bankers think there is going to be a shortage the price will rise. If production is flush the price falls. That is why there is always a big step change in the price when OPEC announce changes in production levels.
The UK oil companies do not set the price of world oil. And the UK government has little influence over those that do.
porshiepoo
19-Feb-11, 18:35
Jesus, an OAP starts a thread with a genuine concern about the cost of oil to heat their property and the main concern by posters is the fact that they may have left the Caps Lock on. Wow, I'm staggered at such a lack of empathy.
Kodiak maybe Avalon is not in receipt of the benefits needed to claim all those extras you talk about and IMO your attitude to an OAP's winter heat concerns comes across as much more "rude" than any capital letters.
How would you feel if your parents or a vulnerable OAP close to you was struggling to keep warm in this weather? Would you be so blase about it then?
Avalon unfortunately I cannot offer any advice that will help you. I am gobsmacked also at the level of increase of oil prices. We are currently finishing our new build house and are supposed to be using oil for heating however we are re-considering due to the oil prices. We have the oil boiler etc but thinking of switching to calor gas (we're rural) or maybe even electric (never thought I'd say that).
I believe that oil is not regulated like electric, gas etc so the fat cats can pretty much put whatever price they want on their supplies and perhaps that is the grumble with the government that Kodiak mentions?
So sorry that you are struggling with heating costs Avalon. Have a look at this website to see whether it can help. www.homeheathelpline.org.uk/
There are so many people in fuel poverty in this country which is a disgrace. The very long spell of really cold weather hasn't helped at all.
Sigh, me too:~(
Knowing that you are old enough to be getting a penison has surprised me ;)
Knowing that you are old enough to be getting a penison has surprised me ;)
Cheeky young git.. been getting OAP money for ages!
Cheeky young git.. been getting OAP money for ages!
Honestly thought you were younger :eek:
C'mon accpet the compliement ;)
If your fuel bills are more than 10% of your income you are entitled to 20% of electricity bills. I only discovered this by accident, it's not something they advertise. I'm hoping the letter I've just had to renew this is a mistake as they're saying it's if you pay more than 20% of your income which is certainly not what it was before and can't be right.
Worth checking with the energy advice people in Thurso - they're very helpful and will come to the house to see what can be done and make sure you are getting everything you should.
Honestly thought you were younger :eek:
The Volvo should have given that away............ ;)
Honestly thought you were younger :eek:
C'mon accpet the compliement ;)
Thank you kind sir, must be my rapier wit and lightning reposts!
The Volvo should have given that away............ ;)
Witty!
Used to have a Grenada Estate back in the late 80's, car went kaput.. at same time medical injuries required a big(ish) car, so splashed out and got our first 240.. nice roomy car.. then later 740's, 850, and V70's since those came out. Our 745SE, 1988 did 325,796 miles (verified by Volvo High Mileage Club) before we sold it for £100 and still went on for years..
BUT our latest one, bought brand new June 2009 was a Volvo V70 2.OD SE. Well the previous V70 drank petrol - and as you know I do everything I can to cut down emissions to save the planet, so went all eco-friendly..
Worst car of the lot.. When you open the back doors, and moisture/rain just dollops in.. the back is narrower than the front which annoys my roof rack to hell.. and worst of all the bloody 'electronic hand brake' - who thought it would be good to put in a car needs shooting! It's a great big lumbering thing too. So, in a few months we're flogging it and going back to a 'proper' Volvo, V70; Mrs Beks wants a white, turbo, automatic, petrol..
Must admit there some old farhts around with them, but reading our handbook, indexed by someone who has absolutely no idea of a vehicle, it tells me, that in the event of a crash, explosive charges will go off to tension the seatbelts, an explosive charge will inflate the bags inside the seat arms, an explosive charge will inflate the 'curtain' (above the doors) and the final bang will be the front airbags - if the crash does not kill you the bloody noise will!
My middle son, has driven high powered vehicles all his life including M2 Rigs in the Army, a couple of years ago we let him drive our V70 for 7 hours across Europe "I ain't driving that thing" says he.. an hour later; "this is nice" kickdown, turbo etc.. when he's speaking to his partner I overhear him telling her "we're getting one of those".
Once you've had a good one; Volvo for Life..
Witty!
Used to have a Grenada Estate back in the late 80's, car went kaput.. at same time medical injuries required a big(ish) car, so splashed out and got our first 240.. nice roomy car.. then later 740's, 850, and V70's since those came out. Our 745SE, 1988 did 325,796 miles (verified by Volvo High Mileage Club) before we sold it for £100 and still went on for years..
BUT our latest one, bought brand new June 2009 was a Volvo V70 2.OD SE. Well the previous V70 drank petrol - and as you know I do everything I can to cut down emissions to save the planet, so went all eco-friendly..
Worst car of the lot.. When you open the back doors, and moisture/rain just dollops in.. the back is narrower than the front which annoys my roof rack to hell.. and worst of all the bloody 'electronic hand brake' - who thought it would be good to put in a car needs shooting! It's a great big lumbering thing too. So, in a few months we're flogging it and going back to a 'proper' Volvo, V70; Mrs Beks wants a white, turbo, automatic, petrol..
Must admit there some old farhts around with them, but reading our handbook, indexed by someone who has absolutely no idea of a vehicle, it tells me, that in the event of a crash, explosive charges will go off to tension the seatbelts, an explosive charge will inflate the bags inside the seat arms, an explosive charge will inflate the 'curtain' (above the doors) and the final bang will be the front airbags - if the crash does not kill you the bloody noise will!
My middle son, has driven high powered vehicles all his life including M2 Rigs in the Army, a couple of years ago we let him drive our V70 for 7 hours across Europe "I ain't driving that thing" says he.. an hour later; "this is nice" kickdown, turbo etc.. when he's speaking to his partner I overhear him telling her "we're getting one of those".
Once you've had a good one; Volvo for Life..
Aye my partner really likes volvos. Good solid machines. He had one when i first met him and it was a solid thing, was almost like a tank as no matter what he did with it nothing affected it.
captain chaos
20-Feb-11, 13:24
Just thought this might interest people. This is the cost of my oil since getting rid of calor gas in 2002
running left to right is.... date, how much, total cost exc Vat, price per litre exc vat Vat has remained at 5%
19/12/2002 950 £204.00 £0.21
19/03/2003 1000 £263.00 £0.26
10/10/2003 1000 £230.00 £0.23
20/12/2003 805 £202.00 £0.25
28/02/2004 970 £231.00 £0.24
26/08/2004 1000 £291.00 £0.29
18/12/2004 1000 £290.00 £0.29
17/02/2005 1100 £357.00 £0.32
05/05/2005 1000 £317.00 £0.32
21/10/2005 1000 £396.00 £0.40
23/12/2005 942 £325.00 £0.35
07/03/2006 1000 £364.00 £0.36
20/05/2006 1000 £376.00 £0.38
15/11/2006 768 £254.00 £0.33
25/01/2007 1140 £355.00 £0.31
24/04/2007 958 £325.00 £0.34
30/09/2007 831 £304.00 £0.37
24/12/2007 958 £375.00 £0.39
11/03/2008 1113 £571.00 £0.51
22/07/2008 500 £331.00 £0.66
30/09/2008 609 £337.00 £0.55
25/11/2008 651 £265.00 £0.41
10/02/2009 1070 £320.00 £0.30
06/07/2009 1117 £398.00 £0.36
17/12/2009 1026 £417.07 £0.41
24/02/2010 1051 £472.00 £0.45
05/07/2010 1000 £444.50 £0.44
30/11/2010 1029 £504.21 £0.49
05/02/2011 1001 £570.57 £0.57
In just over 8 years an amazing £10,500 or £1300 per year
19/12/2002 950 £204.00 £0.21
17/02/2005 1100 £357.00 £0.32
05/02/2011 1001 £570.57 £0.57
Interesting figures.
December 2002 Brent crude was about £26 a barrel. Heating oil 21p.
May 2005 Brent Crude had doubled to £52. Heating oil only rose by half as much to 32p.
September 2008, Crude had doubled again, over £100. Heating oil had increased to 55p.
Today, Crude around the £100, heating oil 57p.
Going by those figures, heating oil price has increased at a rate LESS than the price of crude.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WEPCBRENT&f=W
Going by those figures, heating oil price has increased at a rate LESS than the price of crude.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WEPCBRENT&f=W
But the price of crude fluctuates, it would appear that once the price of heating oil rises it doesn't change until it rises again.
Worth checking with the energy advice people in Thurso - they're very helpful and will come to the house to see what can be done and make sure you are getting everything you should.
Oh yes I forgot about them. They are called Ormile Renewables and extremely helpful so definitley get in touch with them Avalon. http://www.caithness.org/community/environment/ormlie_renewables/index.htm
But the price of crude fluctuates, it would appear that once the price of heating oil rises it doesn't change until it rises again.
Go through the list again, it falls several times. After October 2005 it fell 25%, Then by more than a half between July 2008 and Feb 2009.
If the price had risen at the same rate as crude since 2002 Heating oil would be around 80p instead of 57p.
Go through the list again, it falls several times. After October 2005 it fell 25%, Then by more than a half between July 2008 and Feb 2009.
If the price had risen at the same rate as crude since 2002 Heating oil would be around 80p instead of 57p.
Oh-sorry, got my reading glasses on not my PC glasses :eek:
Oh-sorry, got my reading glasses on not my PC glasses :eek:
I am actually surprised how closely the heating oil price has followed the crude price.
I would have thought, as you said, that it wouldn't have dropped following a rise. It would seem the figures prove that wrong.
It seems the rise and fall of heating oil follows that of crude more closely than petrol does because of the duty. UK petrol duty is in pence per litre, not a percentage of cost, therefore a 50% drop in the price of crude would result in a much smaller drop in petrol price.
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