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frank ward
22-Sep-04, 13:51
ABOLITION OF THE COUNCIL TAX BILL
To be placed before the Scottish Parliament
Please note that the deadline for responses to the Formal Parliamentary Consultation Document on the Abolition of the Council Tax Bill is Friday 8th October.
Responses can be from groups AND individuals.
The consultation document can be accessed via the website:
http://www.scrapthecounciltax.com
or via the SSP website
www.scottishsocialistparty.org
Responses should be sent to Tommy Sheridan MSP (see below)
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Who should respond:
Responses to this consultation are invited from individuals and organisations, who may be affected by, or have an interest in, the proposed replacement of council tax with a tax based on personal income.
Should you be aware of other individuals or organisations who may be interested in responding to this consultation, please feel free to pass them a copy of this message.
Further copies of the paper may be obtained by contacting the address below; copies may also be downloaded from the following website: http://www.scrapthecounciltax.com
How to respond :
Please send your response to this consultation paper by
Friday 8th October 2004 to:
Tommy Sheridan MSP, Scottish Parliament, Edinburgh EH99 1SP
Email: tommy.sheridan.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
Respondents should make clear whether their submission is on behalf of a particular group or organisation, or if it is an individual or personal response.
To help inform debate on the matters covered by this paper and in the interests of openness, the responses submitted on this consultation document will be made public. It will be assumed that responses can be made public unless the respondent indicates that his or her response is confidential.
Confidential responses will nevertheless be included in any summary or statistical analysis, which does not identify individual responses.
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Why on earth anyone would want to support that bill is beyond me. We are already taxed to the hilt and to suggest that I pay more for basic services than my neighbour because I work harder and earn more must be the ultimate insult from the body that never should have been.
They should stick to debating what sexual proclivities to indoctrinate our children with. Its about all theyre fit for!
From each according to their means, to each according to their need. Where is the injustice in that!
And the lazy and the idle shall inherit the benefits.
Work harder and support your local Waster!
Quite agree with Jaws. Davem is obviously someone who strives for love of work and is not to worried about reaping the tangible benefits. Lucky person, wish I was as well off!!
Oh god here we go again - the lazy and the idle!!!
What about the sick, those people who would like to work but cant get work, what about those who are only able to work part time and on low wages, what about those who cant get childcare that would allow them to work cos the childcare provision is so terrible in Caithness.
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Why on earth anyone would want to support that bill is beyond me. We are already taxed to the hilt and to suggest that I pay more for basic services than my neighbour because I work harder and earn more must be the ultimate insult from the body that never should have been.
They should stick to debating what sexual proclivities to indoctrinate our children with. Its about all theyre fit for!
Could you be any more ignorant?
Hear all, see all, say nowt.
Eat all, drink all, pay nowt!
I doubt if I'll work up the enthusiasm to spend too much effort trying to state the obvious -there's none so blind as them who wont see. The comment about tangible benefits doesn't warrant comment, services cost, they need to be paid for and those who are lucky enough to earn, pay for them me included. No matter how many' tangible rewards' you cling on to without regard to the needs of your fellows; if you unlucky enough to become unable to work you'll all of a sudden see my point of view.
frank ward
03-Oct-04, 08:56
The SSP Proposal before parliament does not specify precise tax replacements for the Council Tax, it is intended as a broad proposal in order to attract maximum cross-party support.
The LibDems in Scotland have consistently refused to support such proposals, even though their National Policy is in favour. This hypocrisy is nothing new of course. As Labour's lap dogs in the coalition, they prefer the trappings of power.
But if respondents would care to go to the websites they would see that the SSP has detailed and costed proposals for what could replace the Council Tax.
It is essentially to scrap the council tax in favour of an income tax of 4.5% on earnings. The first £10k of earnings do not count. People on very low incomes- under £10k - would not be eligible at all.
Earnings over £90k would pay a lot more more.
There are two tax bands in between. Over 3 in 4 households will be better off, many quite substantially.
It would be very cheap to collect, and it would actually raise MORE money for local services than we get at present.
It should also be remebered that the Council Tax only raises about 18% of the money needed for local services - over 80 % is provided from national taxation already.
These are the SSP's own ideas, but we are open to suggestions from others and might accept less egalitarian proposals if it meant a quicker demise for the Council Tax. For example, the SSP idea is a national tax, others favour a regional tax. Some have suggested a 4% tax on all income, including the first £10k, with no sliding scale for higher earners. While some are just nit-picking for the sake of it, at least the SSP has forced the other parties to talk seriously about it. Before we had our 6 MSPs elected, this matter was never raised.
It is not a perfect system by any means, but a whole lot better than the crippling property taxes we have at present, and well worth support by sending a submission to Tommy Sheridan.
(cripppling for the poor, of course - the wealthier sections of society absolutely LOVE the council tax!)
Wouldn't it be more like sense if a replacement proposal was specified so that the pros and cons could be weighed up and educated decisions could then be made?
I'm sure it would get far more support than just saying lets get rid of the Council Tax and let some other group of overpaid politicians draft up some other daft scheme that is equally as bad if not worse.
Lets not scrap a bad scheme without at first making sure its replacement isn't worse. Get the facts and figures together and put forward a respectable alternative.
Why should the people who made the sacrifices to get a decently paid job pay more than those who didn't.
I am all in favour of the current council tax system. In which you pay a proportionate amount for the size of house in which you live.
However on saying that I do think the government needs to make it easier for people in the "low-paid" families to improve their job prospects. That would solve more money than just taking money of the better paid in the meantime.
I don't see me getting a payrise to take into account all the extra tax I am going to have to pay so I ( and people like me) will end up worse off through absolutely no fault of our own.
I presume, perhaps wrongly, that the main problem is not with the current Council Tax system but more to do with the high costs with little return.
To see the likes of Inverness getting a significant porportion of the collected taxes and very few facilities and amenities in Caithness is galling.
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