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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11542984
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11542984
Quite agree with you Anfield, I too hope she gets better soon..
For a speedy return to rude health :Razz
For a speedy return to rude health :Razz
Well that's three of us wishing her good heath! ;)
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C3.............;):roll::lol:
Well that's three of us
One more and we will have enough to carry her coffin.
One more and we will have enough to carry her coffin.
me me me memee :D
Kevin Milkins
14-Oct-10, 20:12
One more and we will have enough to carry her coffin.
You can leave me out of that chore, apparently she is an iron lady, and with my back........:roll:
You can leave me out of that chore, apparently she is an iron lady, and with my back........:roll:
She knows an awful lot about breaking backs, Miners, Shipbuilders, whole communities destroyed by unemployment etc etc
She knows an awful lot about breaking backs, Miners, Shipbuilders, whole communities destroyed by unemployment etc etc
IMO Arther Scargill had a lot more to do with the end of deep mining than Maggie. Wasn't he expelled from the NUM recently?
And I noticed that the latest and largest of the Cunarders was built in Italy, I wonder why? We have shipyards you know.
One more and we will have enough to carry her coffin.
That is very gracious of you Anfield - I always thought you were left wing, but to offer to be a pallbearer for this great lady it would be an honour to be with you...
IMO Arther Scargill had a lot more to do with the end of deep mining than Maggie. Wasn't he expelled from the NUM recently?
And I noticed that the latest and largest of the Cunarders was built in Italy, I wonder why? We have shipyards you know.
Oh you mean this one:
The NUM has written to Arthur Scargill to say that the former president can no longer be a full financial member.. 57-year membership of the National Union of Mineworkers looked set to end in acrimony when he and a number of his allies in the union were in effect expelled after being told by letter that they no longer qualified for full union benefits.
The move follows increasingly bitter relations between Scargill, the NUM's honorary president now aged 72, and the union he led to disastrous defeat in the year long 80s miners' strike following a dispute over his continuing eligibility for a number of perks and benefits.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/25/arthur-scargill-expelled-num-finances
A good example to show the inevitability of Coal Mining reduction. Its interesting that since Maggie 'broke' the miners the downward curve has remained constant. And that imports have increased only very gradually, (along with UK sufaced mined).
Figure 38 (http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/oucontent/view.php?id=398856§ion=1.5#fig038) shows production and consumption figures for coal mined in the UK since 1945 as a number of categories. The decline in total consumption shows that the demand for coal in the UK fell steadily since 1955.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/4263/!via/oucontent/course/485/s278_3_f037hi.jpg Figure 38 The UK's coal production and imports (blue lines) and consumption (red lines) figures for the period 1945 to 2003. (The miners’ strike accounted for the drop in production in 1984.)
porshiepoo
15-Oct-10, 08:15
As I remember it (and my father was a miner) the miners were constantly striking for more pay. To the point where it was cheaper to import the coal. so who was really at fault? The miners for causing it or MT for making the decision to not let them hold the country to ransom and import the coal instead?
Arthur Scargill was more to blame for pit closures than MT.
The mines simply weren't profitable, if they were then surely we'd be re-opening them now?
I was too young really to take much notice of what MT stood for at the time but I do remember the picketing etc and although I understand that there were many of her policies that people disagreed with I would have to say that IMO the mining situation was caused by the miners themselves.
The level of concern for MT's health is heart warming.
Me thinks the union leaders were in the pockets of the Chinese dacades ago. I joined a union years ago, when I was younger and no wiser, very quickly left once I actually paid attention to what tosh they were spewing out and the damage they wanted to do, end eventually did, to my salary.
Numb minded backward bone idled militant gits.
pinotnoir
15-Oct-10, 09:34
Some things will never change
"That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party....so far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But I warn you men and women do not listen to what they are saying now.Do not listen to the seductions...He is a very good salesman.If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were" Aneurin Bevan - Bellevue Hotel - 3rd July 1948
Some things will never change
"That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party....so far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But I warn you men and women do not listen to what they are saying now.Do not listen to the seductions...He is a very good salesman.If you are selling shoddy stuff you have to be a good salesman. But I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were" Aneurin Bevan - Bellevue Hotel - 3rd July 1948
"There is only one hope for mankind — and that is democratic Socialism"
*Hansard, House of Commons, 5th series, vol. 487, col. 43
Hmm
Wonder where that idea went?
"Soon, if we are not prudent, millions of people will be watching each other starve to death through expensive television sets".*
* "In Place of Fear", p. 192, 1952
That is very gracious of you Anfield - I always thought you were left wing, but to offer to be a pallbearer for this great lady it would be an honour to be with you...
Not only will I carry coffin, I will turn off life support, preside over mass, dig the hole, drop coffin to bottom of it, shovel soil back in and then sing " Burn baby Burn" whilst urinating on top of grave.
Wishing the iron lady a speedy recovery, the strongest leader this country has had in modern times
Not only will I carry coffin, I will turn off life support, preside over mass, dig the hole, drop coffin to bottom of it, shovel soil back in and then sing " Burn baby Burn" whilst urinating on top of grave.
mmm.. seem a bit cross Anfield ? :eek:
I like Maggie, without her, I would not have been given the chance to purchase my own house.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/4263/%21via/oucontent/course/485/s278_3_f037hi.jpg Figure 38 The UK's coal production and imports (blue lines) and consumption (red lines) figures for the period 1945 to 2003. (The miners’ strike accounted for the drop in production in 1984.)
As I am sure you know, you can use statistics to prove any point.
Your graph shows that coal production, and consumption had levelled out and was beginning to rise in the years after 1975 but after Thatcher becoming Prime Minister started to plummet faster than the Lib-Dems showing in recent opinion polls
As I am sure you know, you can use statistics to prove any point.
Your graph shows that coal production, and consumption had levelled out and was beginning to rise in the years after 1975 but after Thatcher becoming Prime Minister started to plummet faster than the Lib-Dems showing in recent opinion polls
Surely the point is; consumption continued to fall. If the point you are making were correct, consumption would continue to rise and imports would have to make up the shortfall on production. But that is not the case. :)
neilsermk1
15-Oct-10, 12:36
Is it not also true that at that time more gas power plants were brought on line and the need for coal was diminishing
neilsermk1
15-Oct-10, 12:41
Hi Flash, no doubt that Maggie was the strongest leader in recent history, but so were Attilla the Hun, and Genghis Khan in their day. The truth is that MT destroyed the manufacturing base of this country, sold off our assets, and started a war to stay in office.
Surely the point is; consumption continued to fall. If the point you are making were correct, consumption would continue to rise and imports would have to make up the shortfall on production. But that is not the case. :)
As NEILSERMK1 points out Power Stations also had an effect.
The graph shows that the fall in demand for coal corresponds to the rise of coal used for power stations, and after 1985 the supply of coal for power stations follows with uncanny accuracy, the UK demand for coal.
the figures for 2005 onwars would be interesting to see if the rise of imported coal continues at the same rate as the period 1995-2005
As NEILSERMK1 points out Power Stations also had an effect.
The graph shows that the fall in demand for coal corresponds to the rise of coal used for power stations, and after 1985 the supply of coal for power stations follows with uncanny accuracy, the UK demand for coal.
the figures for 2005 onwars would be interesting to see if the rise of imported coal continues at the same rate as the period 1995-2005
OK. OK. I'm just trying to make the point that (like shipbuilding and other manufacturing), there are many forces at work. You can't blame it all on the Torys or Maggie specifically.
If the good old British worker could compete with others including Germany Spain,Italy as well as the (then) imerging mfg in the far east, things would be different. As it is, we have (fairly) successfully refocused our economy away from the very traditional mfg (although we still do a lot).
I don't see why we can't make British Cars anymore when foreign companies can make cars in Britain?
Hi Flash, no doubt that Maggie was the strongest leader in recent history, but so were Attilla the Hun, and Genghis Khan in their day. The truth is that MT destroyed the manufacturing base of this country, sold off our assets, and started a war to stay in office.
Sounds like your describing Bliar and Broon (except the strongest leader bit) It doesn't really matter what politicians achieve to the good, if you don't like their politics, you don't like the politician
manloveswife
15-Oct-10, 18:22
It was nice to see so many well wishers offering to be pall bearers if the worst happened,
I would like all present should the occasion arise to join me in a few verses of this song whilst they do their honourable duty.
"The Red Flag" by Jim Connell
The lyrics . . .
The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts blood dyed its every fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high. (chorus)
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Look round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.
It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.
It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.
It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down. With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.
Hmm.. The lyrics of the song were written by Irishman Jim Connell - I can't stop smiling, the dinosaurs have arisen -
There are a number of satirical alternatives, such as "The people's flag is palest pink". The longest-standing satirical tradition is within the Liberal Democrats who can often be heard singing variants in the bars at their annual conference. The humour derives from mockery of either the absence of socialism from the modern Labour Party or of the Lib Dems' own Social Democrat roots. Interesting that..;)
manloveswife
15-Oct-10, 19:20
Hmm.. The lyrics of the song were written by Irishman Jim Connell - I can't stop smiling, the dinosaurs have arisen -
There are a number of satirical alternatives, such as "The people's flag is palest pink". The longest-standing satirical tradition is within the Liberal Democrats who can often be heard singing variants in the bars at their annual conference. The humour derives from mockery of either the absence of socialism from the modern Labour Party or of the Lib Dems' own Social Democrat roots. Interesting that..;)
Still a lovely song, and all us dinosaurs are not yet extinct.... merely sleeping:lol:
As to the absence of socialism from the modern Labour party I always said Blair was Maggies son, and it is indeed lacking. I still reckon though that I was better off under a Labour goverment than I will be under the Tories and their little Liberal puppets.
I also notice a massive tendency these days to slag off the unions, but have those people ever considered where we would be if we hadn't had them, I'm not talking about the last days of striking because the toilet roll holder was empty, but of those people who sacrificed everything for what they believed, who got the working man some rights and out from under the crushing heel of the industrialists. The tendency to blame unions for the loss of industry is also prevalent, the loss of industry is instead due to simple economics, people want it cheap, it can be made cheaper abroad in developing countries, largely due to poor conditions and lack of health and safety legislation. Just look at Indias child exploiting stone and textile industries.
George Brims
15-Oct-10, 19:34
Not only will I carry coffin, I will turn off life support, preside over mass, dig the hole, drop coffin to bottom of it, shovel soil back in and then sing " Burn baby Burn" whilst urinating on top of grave.
Come on man, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
Not only will I carry coffin, I will turn off life support, preside over mass, dig the hole, drop coffin to bottom of it, shovel soil back in and then sing " Burn baby Burn" whilst urinating on top of grave.
And they say there is no commitment anymore.
whilst urinating on top of grave
Can we all do that part?
Nothing beats urinating in public...
pinotnoir
16-Oct-10, 01:24
Which side are you on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6OLguh7_P8
Not only will I carry coffin, I will turn off life support, preside over mass, dig the hole, drop coffin to bottom of it, shovel soil back in and then sing " Burn baby Burn" whilst urinating on top of grave.You are a wimp Anfield sweetie. Urine is a meaningless gesture and it shows the weakness of your sex. Concrete is needed. The steel reinforced type just in case she isn't quite dead yet.
Whether you detest her or not, Thatcher was elected in 1979. Then re-elected in '83. That means that most of the voters that bothered to turn up chose her. We (as in voters, not as in individuals) kept her in office as one of the longest serving prime ministers of the UK. We did.
Whether you detest her or not, Thatcher was elected in 1979. Then re-elected in '83. That means that most of the voters that bothered to turn up chose her. We (as in voters, not as in individuals) kept her in office as one of the longest serving prime ministers of the UK. We did.
Seems to be overlooked sometimes...
Urine is a meaningless gesture and it shows the weakness of your sex. Concrete is needed. The steel reinforced type just in case she isn't quite dead yet.
No, no no. You cant beat urinating on a grave. Nothing beats the warm feeling of satisfaction it gives you. It is something like nothing else.
No, no no. You cant beat urinating on a grave. Nothing beats the warm feeling of satisfaction it gives you. It is something like nothing else.
Especially if its protected by a live electric fence? :D
northener
16-Oct-10, 15:24
It's always nice to have a bogeyman (or wumman') to conveniently heap all your ills upon.
It's rather like the village mentality that blames all it's problems upon one troublesome individual or family.......
I'm old enough to remember the seventies as a workplace, it wasn't the well-oiled democratic and productive utopia that many today would have us believe.
We were uncompetetive, sub-standard, unable to work cohesively and dominated by unions more interested in their own political agenda than the welfare and productivity of their own members.
You are a wimp Anfield sweetie. Urine is a meaningless gesture and it shows the weakness of your sex. Concrete is needed. The steel reinforced type just in case she isn't quite dead yet.
Women urinate concrete?
Women urinate concrete?
:eek: I new it!
Women urinate concrete?
That's 'hard' to believe.. who started this rumour off?
Is that what heavy periods are about?
:confused
peter macdonald
16-Oct-10, 21:34
Much as I detest Dame Margaret Hilda when she took the UK to war in the Falklands she at least took the matter to the House of Commons which is something Tony Blair seemed unable to do..
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Tony_Blair
PM
Kevin Milkins
17-Oct-10, 02:29
Is that what heavy periods are about?
:confused
I believe so, but as yet there is no concrete evidence to support this theory.
I have tried to conduct several surveys on this particular subject, but as you can imagine when trying to interview women on this particular subject, it's like trying to get blood out of stone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11579988
You still got yer fingers crossed then Anfield?
"Spokesman said her condition was not serious and she was expected to return home within days."
I am so relieved...:)
Kevin Milkins
19-Oct-10, 22:30
"Spokesman said her condition was not serious and she was expected to return home within days."
I am so relieved...:)
Dam it, and who said "this woman is not for turning"?:~(
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