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Commore
07-Oct-10, 13:26
We are seeking new forever homes for five beautiful puppies,
they are a cross between and Rough Collie and a Golden Retriever dog,
they have their mother's colouring, and one or two are tri-colour

They are aged just under three weeks at present but their eyes are opened and they are all very active,

we ourselves kept all the puppies from a previous litter and we have had no disappointments whatsoever, they are all obedient, clever, and very loyal

On this occasion, we simply cannot keep the puppies as we already have a fair number of dogs some of whom are quite old and are at the stage whereby, they require a certain amount of nursing

Pictures of the puppies are available to view from our website, pm for details.
The puppies will make excellent family pets and
already they are socialised with other dogs and a cat and they have enjoyed a cuddle or three from ourselves,

a rough idea of what the puppies will look like or what size they might be when they are older can be seen from our own dogs, which are also pictured on our website



The puppies will be free to leave at eight weeks old.

Three reserved, two left.

Pm if interested.

AliciaMackinnon
07-Oct-10, 13:53
hi there I am interested to see some pics please!!!

BalmoreSSPCA
07-Oct-10, 23:27
Hi I dont mean to interfere but Please be very careful when rehoming your pups and try to ensure that you get the right homes for your pups. In so many cases pups end up in the wrong hands and then the rescue charities then end up getting them when they are out of control!!!!!! Hope you find loving homes for your pups. If you need any help please do not hesitate to contact me

Cheers

Commore
08-Oct-10, 13:56
Hi I dont mean to interfere but Please be very careful when rehoming your pups and try to ensure that you get the right homes for your pups. In so many cases pups end up in the wrong hands and then the rescue charities then end up getting them when they are out of control!!!!!! Hope you find loving homes for your pups. If you need any help please do not hesitate to contact me

Cheers

Thank you and yes we will take care in rehoming the puppies,
they will go to good homes only and will not be "homed just for Christmas", of that I can promise.
Thanks again,
:) C

Alba.gu.brath
08-Oct-10, 21:00
Hi I dont mean to interfere but Please be very careful when rehoming your pups and try to ensure that you get the right homes for your pups. In so many cases pups end up in the wrong hands and then the rescue charities then end up getting them when they are out of control!!!!!! Hope you find loving homes for your pups. If you need any help please do not hesitate to contact me

Cheers

Took a while for the sspca to act about the puppies at a certain farm..!!!! one had to die

purplelady
08-Oct-10, 23:10
They never even commented when i asked for homes for mine on here and they have all got lovely homes xxxxxxxxxxx

Commore
10-Oct-10, 17:33
They never even commented when i asked for homes for mine on here and they have all got lovely homes xxxxxxxxxxx

Yes, I thought that their comment was a bit strange too, given that I have never seen a similiar comment on any other similiar ad,

:)

Dadie
10-Oct-10, 17:58
Think its the timing..it will be nearly Christmas when they are ready.
Thats a busy time for rehoming centres...pets getting abandoned for new ones on the run up to christmas and then the feb influx of the omg I cant cope with the animal I got at christmas.

chaz
10-Oct-10, 18:06
Could be the time of year, but seems an bit odd to just remark on one set of pups as all types can become unwanted when the novility wears off!
I think these pups are beautiful and would have one like a shot if we were not in the middle of moving just now, and know if we took one it wouldnt be just for christmas! I am confident that commore is very well qualified when the rehoming begins . x

AliciaMackinnon
10-Oct-10, 18:08
Think its the timing..it will be nearly Christmas when they are ready.
Thats a busy time for rehoming centres...pets getting abandoned for new ones on the run up to christmas and then the feb influx of the omg I cant cope with the animal I got at christmas.

I agree!!! A good home is essentual!!! ;)

Commore
10-Oct-10, 20:00
Think its the timing..it will be nearly Christmas when they are ready.
Thats a busy time for rehoming centres...pets getting abandoned for new ones on the run up to christmas and then the feb influx of the omg I cant cope with the animal I got at christmas.

Yes, you could be right, however, it will be very special people who will eventually have these very precious puppies

In my time, I have adopted quite a few of those abandoned Christmas innocents,
:)

Moira
10-Oct-10, 21:37
Took a while for the sspca to act about the puppies at a certain farm..!!!! one had to die

Did it ever occur to you that the SSPCA centre in Caithness is busy? Perhaps that is why "something" happened at a "certain farm". It may be the same reason as to why they don't monitor the Pets forum of Caithness dot Org 24/7.

Sorry to hijack your thread Commore. Btw, what was your reasoning for bringing a litter of puppies into this world without having established homes for them all?

AliciaMackinnon
10-Oct-10, 21:40
Did it ever occur to you that the SSPCA centre in Caithness is busy? Perhaps that is why "something" happened at a "certain farm". It may be the same reason as to why they don't monitor the Pets forum of Caithness dot Org 24/7.

Sorry to hijack your thread Commore. Btw, what was your reasoning for bringing a litter of puppies into this world without having established homes for them all?

as I can gather it was a lil case of nature taking hold of a certin boy dog and a certin girl dog!!! LOL

Moira
10-Oct-10, 21:54
as I can gather it was a lil case of nature taking hold of a certin boy dog and a certin girl dog!!! LOL

Do you have this information on good authority from Commore? If that is the case then I am disappointed.

I wasn't asking for a biology lesson but your "LOL" says it all. Do you find the fact that there are more pets looking for homes than there are homes for them funny? [disgust]

unicorn
10-Oct-10, 22:05
I think this cross would be a fabulous natured, intelligent dog and very easy to train, Far more sensible cross than many we seem to see these days selling for daft money, The poster seems knowledgable, so I really do not see why they are being picked apart for breeding their dog.

chaz
10-Oct-10, 22:13
I think this cross would be a fabulous natured, intelligent dog and very easy to train, Far more sensible cross than many we seem to see these days selling for daft money, The poster seems knowledgable, so I really do not see why they are being picked apart for breeding their dog.

I agree with you, its a cross i would rather have than many of the ones you see advertised:)
I cant see why they are being picked on either, even dogs that cost a fortune are dumped when the cuteness wears off and the reality of the responsibility sets in.

Moira
10-Oct-10, 22:39
I think this cross would be a fabulous natured, intelligent dog and very easy to train, Far more sensible cross than many we seem to see these days selling for daft money, The poster seems knowledgable, so I really do not see why they are being picked apart for breeding their dog.

I don't have experience with this breed myself but will bow to your knowledge. I didn't question the op's knowledge regarding the breed. I would, however, question anyone breeding a litter of puppies without any regard to securing buyers/forever homes for these puppies after the event.

I would call that my considered opinion.

Who's picking on who.....? :)

unicorn
10-Oct-10, 22:48
I can see what you are saying Moira, I am off to Wales for a puppy this weekend, The breeder did not have homes organised beforehand but that said they were born Saturday and all booked by Tuesday, so a highly sought after line.
I am getting this pup with the intention of eventually breeding and have gone out of my way to get the best pup to go with my dog, I have gone to the original breeder of his sire and dam.
When I do eventually breed from them I intend to have all pups microchipped before they leave me here so I know should there ever be a problem they will be traceable to me even years on, I will be there as the original owner.
Dad and mum will both be DNA profiled through the kennel club as will the pups, it will mean pups will cost more but I know I have done everything to ensure they come end up back home should the worst happen.

purplelady
10-Oct-10, 23:25
I did not have homes booked for all mine had one and a maybe but they all got good homes xxxxxxxxxx

Moira
10-Oct-10, 23:26
Thanks Unicorn but I'm just not seeing the same situation replicated here which is my worry.

Anyhow, all best of wishes for your trip to pick up your new pup. :D

chaz
11-Oct-10, 09:48
You see pups advertised for a lot of money and assume its a caring breeder, in quite a few cases its a money making venture and the breeder just wants the cash and the bitch is mated again asap! It seem obvious to me that commore is taking time to choose suitable homes for these pups and providing as much information as possible. Its not just a case of get rid quick as it is with many breeders/owners. They have advertised them well in advance to ensure good homes.

ashleighellen
11-Oct-10, 11:34
hiya.x

can i get the name of the website please?
how much for the puppies?

Commore
11-Oct-10, 12:46
Did it ever occur to you that the SSPCA centre in Caithness is busy? Perhaps that is why "something" happened at a "certain farm". It may be the same reason as to why they don't monitor the Pets forum of Caithness dot Org 24/7.

Sorry to hijack your thread Commore. Btw, what was your reasoning for bringing a litter of puppies into this world without having established homes for them all?

Well now Moira, that is a very good question and there I was thinking I was the smartest dog owner in the whole wide world, but not it seems as smart as my dogs when it comes to nature.
The litter was an accident, plain and simple.
We thought our bitch was protected adequately by ourselves, but our boy had "other" ideas.

Suffice to say the puppies are here and good homes are being found for them.
Or to put it another way,
Special owners are coming forward, allowing us to rehome them.

:)

Commore
11-Oct-10, 12:48
Do you have this information on good authority from Commore? If that is the case then I am disappointed.

I wasn't asking for a biology lesson but your "LOL" says it all. Do you find the fact that there are more pets looking for homes than there are homes for them funny? [disgust]

That is a bit harsh, don't you think?

Commore
11-Oct-10, 12:49
I think this cross would be a fabulous natured, intelligent dog and very easy to train, Far more sensible cross than many we seem to see these days selling for daft money, The poster seems knowledgable, so I really do not see why they are being picked apart for breeding their dog.

Well said!
and the litter was not planned.
:)

Commore
11-Oct-10, 12:51
I don't have experience with this breed myself but will bow to your knowledge. I didn't question the op's knowledge regarding the breed. I would, however, question anyone breeding a litter of puppies without any regard to securing buyers/forever homes for these puppies after the event.

I would call that my considered opinion.

Who's picking on who.....? :)

And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, so long as you do not belittle the intelligence of others. :)C

Commore
11-Oct-10, 12:58
I can see what you are saying Moira, I am off to Wales for a puppy this weekend, The breeder did not have homes organised beforehand but that said they were born Saturday and all booked by Tuesday, so a highly sought after line.
I am getting this pup with the intention of eventually breeding and have gone out of my way to get the best pup to go with my dog, I have gone to the original breeder of his sire and dam.
When I do eventually breed from them I intend to have all pups microchipped before they leave me here so I know should there ever be a problem they will be traceable to me even years on, I will be there as the original owner.
Dad and mum will both be DNA profiled through the kennel club as will the pups, it will mean pups will cost more but I know I have done everything to ensure they come end up back home should the worst happen.

We have experienced this sort of thing, had puppies sold some three years previous and the circumstances of the owners change and suddenly you find yourself with an addition to your family.
It wasn't a bad thing, unexpected maybe, but not bad and we still have the dog concerned some twelve years down the line
:)

unicorn
11-Oct-10, 14:12
Thats exactly how it should be in my opinion, you have a lifetime obligation to the animals you breed.

Margaret M.
11-Oct-10, 17:10
I hope all the puppies find wonderful homes. As pet owners, we need to do everything possible, including spaying and neutering, to ensure no unwanted litters. Count the number of pups or kittens in a new litter and that's how many perfectly good pets will probably be put to sleep because they could not find a home. Don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the reality for shelters and rescue organizations. Once one has worked in an animal shelter, it is tough to get excited about a new litter, cute as they are.

Liz
11-Oct-10, 18:13
I hope all the puppies find wonderful homes. As pet owners, we need to do everything possible, including spaying and neutering, to ensure no unwanted litters. Count the number of pups or kittens in a new litter and that's how many perfectly good pets will probably be put to sleep because they could not find a home. Don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the reality for shelters and rescue organizations. Once one has worked in an animal shelter, it is tough to get excited about a new litter, cute as they are.

Very well said Margaret!

It's okay finding homes for puppies etc but you need to find the 'right' home. Also, for every puppy/dog, cat/kitten which are 'accidentally' born and needing rehomed there will be another sitting in a rescue centre longing for a home.:~(

We do have a duty as pet owners to neuter/spay our pets. Not just to stop unwanted litters but for their health as well. Unspayed bitches are more prone to uterine cancer and unneutered dogs are prone to prostatitis.

There are just too many strays and/or unwanted cats and dogs in Caithness as it is and it really worries me that this number is just going to keep going up.
Our dog warden is already having to rehome dogs to Orkney!!!:confused

Commore
11-Oct-10, 19:02
Thats exactly how it should be in my opinion, you have a lifetime obligation to the animals you breed.

For myself I would rephrase that, and say that I have an obligation to the animal during it's lifetime,
:)

Commore
11-Oct-10, 19:06
I hope all the puppies find wonderful homes. As pet owners, we need to do everything possible, including spaying and neutering, to ensure no unwanted litters. Count the number of pups or kittens in a new litter and that's how many perfectly good pets will probably be put to sleep because they could not find a home. Don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the reality for shelters and rescue organizations. Once one has worked in an animal shelter, it is tough to get excited about a new litter, cute as they are.

Sorry, would not agree with that, spaying and neutering is in my opinion for the convenience of "man",
and not necessarily in favour of the animal.

Commore
11-Oct-10, 19:17
Very well said Margaret!

It's okay finding homes for puppies etc but you need to find the 'right' home. Also, for every puppy/dog, cat/kitten which are 'accidentally' born and needing rehomed there will be another sitting in a rescue centre longing for a home.:~(
Yes, I believe that and most do find new and good homes.

We do have a duty as pet owners to neuter/spay our pets. Not just to stop unwanted litters but for their health as well. Unspayed bitches are more prone to uterine cancer and unneutered dogs are prone to prostatitis.

There are just too many strays and/or unwanted cats and dogs in Caithness as it is and it really worries me that this number is just going to keep going up.
Our dog warden is already having to rehome dogs to Orkney!!!:confused
Yes, Caithness does have a high number of strays etc, but not as high as other areas in the country and as an animal lover, I too feel some despair at the disgrace of Scotland's abandoned animals,

We sell animals country wide,
our dogs are the length and breadth of Great Britain and her Islands,
in our time we have had but one returned to us and through no fault of the dog.

For the record, every pet owner has a duty to look after the pets needs,
but not every pet owner is legally bound, thank the lord to spay / nueter / or otherwise interfere with the nature of the pet in question.

:)

Liz
11-Oct-10, 19:27
Commore I do commend you as it is obvious that you love your dogs and are very careful as to where you home your puppies and take them back if necessary.

My remarks weren't aimed at you but at the many who just let their dogs breed and will give their puppies to anyone just to get 'rid' of them.

So I apologise for not making this clear and wish you all the best in finding homes for your puppies. I would love to see photos but don't know your website address?

Liz
11-Oct-10, 19:35
Sorry, would not agree with that, spaying and neutering is in my opinion for the convenience of "man",
and not necessarily in favour of the animal.

I am interested to know why you think this Commore?

I would have thought that if more pet owners (not those intending to breed) would spay and neuter their pets that the number of strays would decline rapidly!

The only dog which I didn't neuter developed Prostatitis when he was 11 years old and was so ill after the op he nearly died.
Also, a friend's bitch who wasn't spayed developed uterine cancer and had to be pts.
Both of these could have been avoided.

I do appreciate though that it is an individual's decision as to whether this should be done. However,surely irresponsible owners who just let their dogs run 'wild' withouth them being neutered/spayed are the ones causing the most problems?

Commore
11-Oct-10, 19:43
Commore I do commend you as it is obvious that you love your dogs and are very careful as to where you home your puppies and take them back if necessary.

My remarks weren't aimed at you but at the many who just let their dogs breed and will give their puppies to anyone just to get 'rid' of them.

So I apologise for not making this clear and wish you all the best in finding homes for your puppies. I would love to see photos but don't know your website address?

Thank you Liz, for that clarification and as it happens I do tend to agree with you, as far as indiscriminate breeding is concerned anyway,
:) I have pm'd you.

Commore
11-Oct-10, 20:17
I am interested to know why you think this Commore?

I would have thought that if more pet owners (not those intending to breed) would spay and neuter their pets that the number of strays would decline rapidly!

The only dog which I didn't neuter developed Prostatitis when he was 11 years old and was so ill after the op he nearly died.
Also, a friend's bitch who wasn't spayed developed uterine cancer and had to be pts.
Both of these could have been avoided.

Appears to me these animals had underlying health issues which would have killed them eventually whether they had been spayed / nuetered or not,

Funnily enough I feel the same way about humans in as much as "nature" should not be "tampered with", because it against "nature" itself.

I do appreciate though that it is an individual's decision as to whether this should be done. However,surely irresponsible owners who just let their dogs run 'wild' withouth them being neutered/spayed are the ones causing the most problems?

Oh I wouldn't say that,
sure it is irresponsible for owners to allow their pets to run loose,
however, other factors do exist which also contributes to the seemingly high numbers of stray / abandoned / lost / pregnant pets all of whom, the powers at be do indeed do their utmost to rehome these poor animals,
think about;
the young family struggling to survive on benefits who find that the extra cute friend has an appetite like a horse,
or the old lady whose own health is failing, she can no longer walk her dog and so she lets it out to attend to it's own business,
or the old farmer who has lived alone for years and whose only pal was his dog, suddenly the old farmer dies and the dog is suddenly unwanted and is let loose as so often happens in Caithness,

Most people who have a pet are responsible owners
most do their very best for their pet/s, but I don't think that just because a pet has not been spayed/nuetered that it's owner/s can any way be considered irresponsible,

this spaying / etc is in my opinion a way to deal with "future" possibly unwanted animals,
it is no better than a "cull" as happens with other defenceless animals worldwide.

Liz
11-Oct-10, 22:26
You make very good and valid points there Commore and wouldn't disagree with any of them.

No I wasn't saying that animals not being neutered/spayed was the only reason for the large number of strays or 'unwanted' animals but I have to say that it is a very big contributing factor.

However, I do disagree with you that spaying/neutering is no better than a "cull".
When you have seen a cat colony where the poor cats have litter after litter, there is interbreeding and as a result deformities and disease then it does make you rather pro neutering!
I do realise we are talking about puppies on this thread but I just wanted to give an example of how animals suffer as a result of not being spayed/neutered.

I know that it's like preaching to the converted on Pets Corner as we all love our pets very much and care for them accordingly.:D

Commore
11-Oct-10, 22:53
You make very good and valid points there Commore and wouldn't disagree with any of them.

No I wasn't saying that animals not being neutered/spayed was the only reason for the large number of strays or 'unwanted' animals but I have to say that it is a very big contributing factor.

However, I do disagree with you that spaying/neutering is no better than a "cull".
When you have seen a cat colony where the poor cats have litter after litter, there is interbreeding and as a result deformities and disease then it does make you rather pro neutering!
I do realise we are talking about puppies on this thread but I just wanted to give an example of how animals suffer as a result of not being spayed/neutered.

I know that it's like preaching to the converted on Pets Corner as we all love our pets very much and care for them accordingly.:D

Liz,
What makes you think that I have not witnessed some of the horrors you write of?
Where is it you think my experience comes from?
Do you think that that your emotions or experiences supercede mine?

I have my opinion as you do yours,
I am for the record against all & every unnatural interference with any living species on earth.

Liz
11-Oct-10, 23:17
Liz,
What makes you think that I have not witnessed some of the horrors you write of?
Where is it you think my experience comes from?
Do you think that that your emotions or experiences supercede mine?

I have my opinion as you do yours,
I am for the record against all & every unnatural interference with any living species on earth.

I don't believe I said anything about what you witnessed or your emotions etc?
Nor did I say you weren't entitled to your opinions but merely wanted to state what mine were.

Not sure what you mean by any 'unnatural interference' though? Do you think the colony of cats I mentioned (which were one of many) should just be left where the cats were hungry,diseased and suffering?

I think there are many species which have only survived due to 'unnatural interference' when it comes to conservation etc. By this I don't mean zoos but caring people who have intervened where there are threatend species due to hunting.

Margaret M.
12-Oct-10, 04:29
this spaying / etc is in my opinion a way to deal with "future" possibly unwanted animals,
it is no better than a "cull" as happens with other defenceless animals worldwide.

Millions of animals have to be euthanized each year, I shudder to think how many millions more would have to be destroyed if spaying and neutering was not an option. Preventing unwanted litters is more humane than disposing of a litter after they are born. The mother grieves for her babies and some of the disposal methods chosen by pet owners leave much to be desired.

Margaret M.
12-Oct-10, 04:39
I am for the record against all & every unnatural interference with any living species on earth.

I would love to know what you mean by this but I think we may have strayed too far off topic already.

chaz
12-Oct-10, 09:03
I agree we have strayed off the topic too far , each of us have our own views which in turn should be respected by each other. All of us are animal lovers and when it gets down to it we all want these pups to have the best forever homes possible:)
The puppies are beautiful:)

Commore
12-Oct-10, 10:06
I agree we have strayed off the topic too far , each of us have our own views which in turn should be respected by each other. All of us are animal lovers and when it gets down to it we all want these pups to have the best forever homes possible:)
The puppies are beautiful:)

Well said Chaz, I think also that we should just stick to the matter in hand which is of course ensuring the future of our puppies.

Thank you to everyone else who has contributed to what has become a very enlightening thread.
:)

_Ju_
12-Oct-10, 10:21
Sorry, would not agree with that, spaying and neutering is in my opinion for the convenience of "man",
and not necessarily in favour of the animal.

To disagree on two points:
1-spaying a female dog before her first season reduces the incidence of mamary cancers by over 90%.
2- Reducing unplanned litters reduces the number of animals abandoned or unwanted.
Whilst still benefitting "man", the prime benificiary of these two points are animal welfare and health.

Commore
12-Oct-10, 10:42
To disagree on two points:
1-spaying a female dog before her first season reduces the incidence of mamary cancers by over 90%.
2- Reducing unplanned litters reduces the number of animals abandoned or unwanted.
Whilst still benefitting "man", the prime benificiary of these two points are animal welfare and health.

I would agree with that, however, I do not believe that ordinary people should be brainwashed into thinking that if they do not do these things that they are unfit to own a dog / any pet.

I am and always have been a great believer in evolution, the ladder of life from the smallest amoeba to the largest living thing,

If an animal or any living thing is going die out, it is in my opinion that it will regardless of medical intervention,

In today's world, "man" seeks to conserve everything that "man" has actively destroyed.

I have not said that spaying / nuetering is a bad thing, I have only said that I personally would not, given the option do it.

I believe that I am perfectly entitled to my opinion, as are you, and I believe (as the poster) that I am perfectly entitled to close this thread as it has indeed veered way off course.

In addition, I do believe that all of my precious pups have indeed found some really special people out there,
and that their future is secured.

_Ju_
12-Oct-10, 11:27
Actually what you said was that neutering/spaying was not necessarily a benefit for the animal. But actually it is.
Given the option and choosing not to do it is well within your rights as the owner of the animals in question, but to query that they would have benefited of it is not true.

All boxed up
12-Oct-10, 14:00
If a dog licence was brought back in and a nominal yearly fee was applicable to all dog owners especially those whose dogs were neutered and a fee of £1000 say was brought in for a breeding licence then this would stop all these mongrel crosses and unwanted dogs as surely only proper reputable breeders would want to pay out for such a licence and others that are found to be breeding without said licence were named, shamed and fined heavily for doing so and for adding to the already heaving amount of strays and unwanted dogs in our country. Breeders have a responsibilty to these pups by breeding them and in doing so should be held accountable on all levels for their wellbeing.

Margaret M.
12-Oct-10, 14:02
I would agree with that, however, I do not believe that ordinary people should be brainwashed into thinking that if they do not do these things that they are unfit to own a dog / any pet.

I don't think being off topic is a crime. Spaying and neutering is not a matter of brainwashing, it is simply a common sense, humane recommendation.

It is totally irresponsible to let pets breed as nature intended when millions of them have to be destroyed each year. In the name of everything humane, help me understand why you think that is OK? If everyone shared your point of view it would be billions of pets that would have to be destroyed each year, not millions.


I am for the record against all & every unnatural interference with any living species on earth.

This is such a broad statement, would you mind giving a few examples of that to which you are opposed? From your statement, I assume you are..... opposed to dogs and cats being domesticated......... opposed to milking a cow........against humans using birth control...

_Ju_
12-Oct-10, 14:42
I am for the record against all & every unnatural interference with any living species on earth.
Would that then not make you against every breed of dog in existance? (Surely you don't think natural selection had anything to do with their existance?)

Commore
12-Oct-10, 15:17
If a dog licence was brought back in and a nominal yearly fee was applicable to all dog owners especially those whose dogs were neutered and a fee of £1000 say was brought in for a breeding licence then this would stop all these mongrel crosses and unwanted dogs as surely only proper reputable breeders would want to pay out for such a licence and others that are found to be breeding without said licence were named, shamed and fined heavily for doing so and for adding to the already heaving amount of strays and unwanted dogs in our country. Breeders have a responsibilty to these pups by breeding them and in doing so should be held accountable on all levels for their wellbeing.

Agreed! and I guess I would be paying tens of thousands of pounds for licences.
And when we were breeding, we were very reputable country wide.

Commore
12-Oct-10, 15:18
Actually what you said was that neutering/spaying was not necessarily a benefit for the animal. But actually it is.
Given the option and choosing not to do it is well within your rights as the owner of the animals in question, but to query that they would have benefited of it is not true.
Point taken.

Commore
12-Oct-10, 15:39
I don't think being off topic is a crime. Spaying and neutering is not a matter of brainwashing, it is simply a common sense, humane recommendation.
For those who wish to follow that route, yes, it could be considered humane,
I believe it is down to the individual owner as to what they think is best for their pet, I am not against it, in some circumstances, but I am not altogether for it, either
It is totally irresponsible to let pets breed as nature intended when millions of them have to be destroyed each year. In the name of everything humane, help me understand why you think that is OK?
Where did that word come from "Humane", it was "man" produced,
"man" thinks, so "man" does and everything is ok, because "man" thinks it is. If everyone shared your point of view it would be billions of pets that would have to be destroyed each year, not millions. This happens anyway, world wide.
Of course, in some countries, they just eat the strays, the unwanted, the innocent,





This is such a broad statement, would you mind giving a few examples of that to which you are opposed? From your statement, I assume you are..... opposed to dogs and cats being domesticated......... opposed to milking a cow........against humans using birth control...

I am not opposed to cats / dogs or anything else being domesticated, I am an animal lover, I love animals, period.
I just think that "man" interferes too much with nature, right across the board including humans.

Culls, of Seals, badgers, foxes, whales, etc, etc, to the point of extinction in some cases,
a prime example of "man's" interference with nature..........

I do think that you are way off course, when you mention such as human birth control, I would say that given that an individual has made a uniform decision, a concious decision as to the use of such a means of birth control then that is their business and nobody elses, and no one brainwashes them into believing that they are bad people if they don't.

I realise that some of you, may not like my thoughts on this subject,
but, they are my thoughts and no amount of badgering me, will make me change my mind.

I trust this clarifies?
:)C

Moira
13-Oct-10, 20:45
Well now Moira, that is a very good question and there I was thinking I was the smartest dog owner in the whole wide world, but not it seems as smart as my dogs when it comes to nature.
The litter was an accident, plain and simple......

Thanks for replying. Accidents do happen. I understand that.


That is a bit harsh, don't you think?
No I don't think so at all. Alicia's partner had already taken a "pop" at the Balmore SSPCA Centre earlier in the thread.


And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, so long as you do not belittle the intelligence of others...
Yes I know, so don't try to belittle mine. I think we could debate certain points you have raised on this thread until Kingdom come but I don't see any purpose. Suffice it to say that I agree largely with Liz, Margaret M & _Ju_ on the neutering/spaying issues.

As an animal lover my wish is that you find great, "forever homes" for all your pups. Good luck. :)

Commore
13-Oct-10, 20:53
Thanks for replying. Accidents do happen. I understand that.

Yes and ours was just that,





No I don't think so at all. Alicia's partner had already taken a "pop" at the Balmore SSPCA Centre earlier in the thread.
Sorry, I had not noticed this "pop", however, I do hold Balmore in high esteem,
I too admire all that they do for the lost and forlorn, and I have in my time adopted dogs from such centres.


Yes I know, so don't try to belittle mine.
I wouldn't dream of it,

I think we could debate certain points you have raised on this thread until Kingdom come but I don't see any purpose.
Me neither,
Suffice it to say that I agree largely with Liz, Margaret M & _Ju_ on the neutering/spaying issues.


As an animal lover my wish is that you find great, "forever homes" for all your pups. Good luck. :)

Thank you, I hope so too and I very much appreciate your comments.

Commore
24-Oct-10, 11:12
We are seeking new forever homes for five beautiful puppies,
they are a cross between and Rough Collie and a Golden Retriever dog,
they have their mother's colouring, and one or two are tri-colour

They are aged just under three weeks at present but their eyes are opened and they are all very active,

we ourselves kept all the puppies from a previous litter and we have had no disappointments whatsoever, they are all obedient, clever, and very loyal

On this occasion, we simply cannot keep the puppies as we already have a fair number of dogs some of whom are quite old and are at the stage whereby, they require a certain amount of nursing

Pictures of the puppies are available to view from our website, pm for details.
The puppies will make excellent family pets and
already they are socialised with other dogs and a cat and they have enjoyed a cuddle or three from ourselves,

a rough idea of what the puppies will look like or what size they might be when they are older can be seen from our own dogs, which are also pictured on our website



The puppies will be free to leave at eight weeks old.

Five puppies, still available.

Pm if interested.

We still have the five puppies for whom we are seeking forever homes,
if you think you can offer such a home,http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=125228
pm me.