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Rheghead
16-Jun-10, 21:17
A small personal experiment in politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCoVLHypxPY

John Little
16-Jun-10, 22:01
That's pretty good.

The one problem that I have with this is that green politics does not seem to engage with the underlying problem which is overpopulation. Or if they do I have not seen anything on it.

The world's population in 1860 was circa 1000 million. By 1930 it was circa 2000 million.

Now it is over 6000 million.

And rising.

The fact that the earth sustains this population is due to the very industries, infrastructures and technologies that damage the earth.

And still the population grows in Malthusian extravagance.

Cut the industries - can you sustain the population?
Or stabilise it?

Or cause mass starvation, shortages- wars?

Cut the population and the rest of the problems shrink.

We solve that one - and the rest follow.

BTW - I don't have any DIY movies but hope you don't mind the comment - for yours is interesting.

Rheghead
16-Jun-10, 22:28
Cut the population and the rest of the problems shrink.

We solve that one - and the rest follow.

Thank you John. You raised a very important point and I think part of the answer is actually staring us in the face, and it comes from our own history. Anyone who studies family history will know that our ancestors had large families. Some of mine had up to 15 kids. Our history was actually very unfair, low wages, poor health and little political representation, our old paymasters wanted to protect their interests at the expense of the majority. In the UK, we now have a better standard of living through social struggle and so nowadays birthrates and infant mortality have fallen, which is good, but our standards aren't reflected across the rest of the globe.

There is a cocktail of discrete attitudes which prevent us from talking about the issues of over-population, namely; sex, religion, money, personal freedom and choice. None of which the bearer with the best hand wants to give away.

That is why The Scottish Green Party believe that an unfair world is an unsustainable one. Jeremy Pax man was true to his own flags on his own mast when he asked that Green politics doesn't have the answer to the Wayne Rooney question, how can we deal with someone getting paid £zillions for kicking a ball around. It is a toughy and it would seem prima facie that we don't have an answer, but he has missed the point entirely. Common sense tells us that the situation is wrong so why do we support unfairness at the big cost of a short term thrill?

Green_not_greed
16-Jun-10, 22:33
A small personal experiment in politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCoVLHypxPY

Actually I prefer the more direct and honest, cards-on-the-table approach.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7683/oldbplogo1.jpg

You can't say they didn't say so.....

glaikit
16-Jun-10, 23:18
I read a book years ago, Nature's End by Whitley Striber and James Kunetka (and yes I did have to look up the author's names:lol:). It's a work of fiction based on climatic changes that had taken place in the previous decades and they used it to predict future events but it haunted me for ages after I read it. Worth a read if you come across it.

Haven't had the guts to read Cormac McCarthy's The Road yet. Don't think I ever will :~(. Too close to home.

Bazeye
17-Jun-10, 14:00
Actually I prefer the more direct and honest, cards-on-the-table approach.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7683/oldbplogo1.jpg

You can't say they didn't say so.....

Makes a change to having to invade a country for it.

_Ju_
17-Jun-10, 21:59
I heard Professor Barletts' unsustainable growth theory on BBC radio4 once. Did it ever make sense!!!!!

http://rocky.xviii.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/pdf_18_exponential_3.pdf