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The Pepsi Challenge
16-Jun-06, 16:18
A book published in the 17th century suggests the modern game of football was invented in Scotland, it has emerged. Vocabula was penned by an Aberdeen schoolmaster in 1633, more than 200 years before the Football Association was formed in England. The pocket-sized book, which is written in Latin, describes players passing the ball and scoring goals. A 1711 edition of the manuscript was stored for years at the the National Library of Scotland but is now on display at the Museum fur Volkerkunde in Hamburg, Germany, as part of a World Cup football exhibition. The book was written by Aberdeen Grammar School teacher David Wedderburn.
He wrote: "Let's pick sides. Those who are on the outside, come over here. Kick off, so that we can begin the match...Pass it here."
Richard McBrearty, curator of the Scottish Football Museum, said:
"The book is the first evidence we have come across of a passing game with goalkeepers and players passing the ball to score goals.
"The other interesting thing is that the FA was not formed until 1863.
"In the first FA rule book there is no mention of goalkeepers and the game is based more on a rugby-type structure, where players could not pass the ball forward.
"Scotland has a fantastic claim to have developed the modern game
"It is frankly an amazing discovery and one which is hard to dispute."
Professor Wulf Koepke of the Museum fur Volkerkunde, said: "The influence of this book is quite tremendous - it rewrites part of football history."
that sorted then - anyone in England caught singing that awful Three Lions dirge "it's coming home..." can now legally be stoned to death
Ye'll claim owt!
even Pontius Pilate is a wha like ye![lol]
Research conducted by the Scottish Football Museum consistently shows how many of the true creators and ambassadors to today's style of play were coaches and players north of the Border. The museum's curator, Richard McBrearty, offers a compelling account from his seven years of evidence-gathering:
"It was only after we did a lot of research that we started looking into these so-called English or British pioneers (of football) and we found out that these were actually Scots," he says. "That's a story that hasn't been told – a story that actually surprises even ourselves. We knew Scotland had an important role, but we didn't appreciate how important Scots were.
"The playing style of football - the passing game - is unquestionably a Scottish invention," he says. "The traditional English game was a dribbling game; that dies out because it's supplanted by the Scottish passing game.";)
pultneytooner
16-Jun-06, 17:00
Research conducted by the Scottish Football Museum consistently shows how many of the true creators and ambassadors to today's style of play were coaches and players north of the Border. The museum's curator, Richard McBrearty, offers a compelling account from his seven years of evidence-gathering:
"It was only after we did a lot of research that we started looking into these so-called English or British pioneers (of football) and we found out that these were actually Scots," he says. "That's a story that hasn't been told – a story that actually surprises even ourselves. We knew Scotland had an important role, but we didn't appreciate how important Scots were.
"The playing style of football - the passing game - is unquestionably a Scottish invention," he says. "The traditional English game was a dribbling game; that dies out because it's supplanted by the Scottish passing game.";) The founder of brazillian football was a scot also.
What a fantastically innovative nation we are.;)
Yes, in the not too distant past we invented and were good at lots of things - changed days now.
Ye'll claim owt!
even Pontius Pilate is a wha like ye![lol]
All I have to say is ??, your signature say's it it all.[lol]
I'd forgotten all about signatures as I've opted not to see them from other folks. It makes for a tidier forum.:D
The founder of brazillian football was a scot also.
Nice try but not quite. His father was Scottish, his mother was English but he was born in Brazil and educated in England for a good allround education. So on balance, he is more English than Scottish.
http://www.sambafoot.com/en/articles/55_Charles_Miller-the_man_who_brought_football_to_Brazil_page_1.html
The Pepsi Challenge
17-Jun-06, 14:33
........Yawn!
The earliest form of football is generally thought to be a Chinese game called cuju ("kickball"), created some 4,700 years ago to teach soldiers about cooperation and vigilance.
Two teams would do battle on a rectangular pitch and aim to shoot a leather ball through a hole high up on an intricately decorated gate.
Also 6,000-year-old stone balls unearthed in the southwestern United States that are similar to ones used today by Native Americans in two kinds of football-like games.
KEMARI
And a pair of black and red ankle-length boots which were used in Japan from the seventh century by emperors, courtiers and samurai in the game kemari.
A team of eight players would kick the ball to each other and try to prevent it from touching the ground. The goal was to move as little as possible and the soles of the kemari shoes were not supposed to be revealed.
Just to add the 1st recorded inter-continental football match apparently took place in Greenland in 1586 between an English explorer John Davis and his crew and the inhabitants of Godthab. Little bit before the scotish book was written in 1633.
So join the que of claims .
Well if the scots invented it you would have thought they would be better at playing it wouldnt you !!! lol
Now where are they in the world cup ......
The version of football that is mentioned in that book is only one of many versions all around the world similiar to which the English formulated into the official game of football. Whether it had any similarity to the modern game is just coincidental, if it can be proven that the Scottish version is the one the English modelled as the official version then it may have some credibility but atm it doesn't. So no, the Scots didn't invent football, nice try though...:D
We did invent the telly your watching the World Cup on though ;)
We did invent the telly your watching the World Cup on though ;)
A mechanical version that never caught on.;)
A good analogy with Association Football as first drafted by The FA then ;)
The Pepsi Challenge
19-Jun-06, 01:55
I take it all back. I don't really care.
You must care you put the thread up in the first place.
Who cares who invented the sport, the fact is it is one of the most gripping and exciting sports ever. wether England, Scotland or the Falklands created the game doesnt really matter, the fact is it is here and I love it
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