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how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc
Tighsonas4
08-Apr-10, 11:09
how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc
browned off !!!!!!
northener
08-Apr-10, 11:26
Doesn't bother me at all.
annemarie482
08-Apr-10, 11:27
how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc
delighted, i dont choke on someone elses smoke,
dont go home stinking of someone elses smoke
can take the kids out safely without them being subjected to unwanted smoke.
and as someone who used to work in a bar, a cleaner work enviroment,
shame about the congregation of smokers around entrance doors,
and the fag butt mountains outside any such premisis.
John Little
08-Apr-10, 11:30
I prefer it. I used to smoke - but never where people were eating.
But it's nice to have a drink or a meal without it.
it does not bother me only thing i dont like is smoking with young ones around or if your pregnant
I don't smoke so its much better for me
I don't smoke so its much better for me
[lol]
it dosnt bother me at all :)
delighted, i dont choke on someone elses smoke,
dont go home stinking of someone elses smoke
can take the kids out safely without them being subjected to unwanted smoke.
and as someone who used to work in a bar, a cleaner work enviroment,
shame about the congregation of smokers around entrance doors,
and the fag butt mountains outside any such premisis.
Absolutely agree and I'm an ex smoker....
Its the best thing the pubs etc have ever done........ :D
Ex smoker, doesn't bother me either way
delighted, i dont choke on someone elses smoke,
dont go home stinking of someone elses smoke
can take the kids out safely without them being subjected to unwanted smoke.
and as someone who used to work in a bar, a cleaner work enviroment,
shame about the congregation of smokers around entrance doors,
and the fag butt mountains outside any such premisis.
I completley agree with you.
Why should non smokers have to suffer smokers smoke? People want to smoke then they can smoke outside and not complain about it. The ban was the best thing to come out that year.
I completley agree with you.
Why should non smokers have to suffer smokers smoke? People want to smoke then they can smoke outside and not complain about it. The ban was the best thing to come out that year.
Who's complaining? :Razz
I'm a smoker (though wished I wasn't!!)
I completely agree with the ban on smoking in public places though!! :D
how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc
Like a leper.
And I for one refuse point blank to patronize these places.
Why should I pay good money to a publican / cafe owner, so that they may dictate how I cannot "do" in their place of business.
I completley agree with you.
Why should non smokers have to suffer smokers smoke? People want to smoke then they can smoke outside and not complain about it. The ban was the best thing to come out that year.
A smoke room could conceivably, be provided by businesses.
"The ban" was the most selfish "act" yet,
Like a leper.
And I for one refuse point blank to patronize these places.
Why should I pay good money to a publican / cafe owner, so that they may dictate how I cannot "do" in their place of business.
But you can't smoke in a pub/cafe anyway, so where DO you patronize?
Like a leper.
And I for one refuse point blank to patronize these places.
Why should I pay good money to a publican / cafe owner, so that they may dictate how I cannot "do" in their place of business.
Afraid it's not the bar owners or such like who have decreed that smokers can't light up inside. Laws are laws and whilst my original opinion was that it was an infringement of civil liberties, I now believe that it is probably the best thing to have happened in years. My only regret is that they didn't do it sooner....and I'm an ex-smoker so can see it from both angles.
how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc
Best thing that ever happend, and now it cannot be done aloud, I am with the noise polis too
piratelassie
08-Apr-10, 23:37
Why should non smokers have to suffer smokers smoke? People want to smoke then they can smoke outside and not complain about it. The ban was the best thing to come out that year. Totally agree and I am a x -smoker .
As a smoker, I have no problem with the ban. I try to avoid smoking around people I know who do not smoke anyway. The choice to smoke was one I made, and I made it for myself not the people around me - they should not suffer any of the possible negative consequences I have put myself at risk of.
Where are they now? All those non smokers who were going to be visiting their local pub more often if they didn't have to endure the second hand smoke?
The pubs are empty, the pavement outside is full, the poor old aged pensioner who's only pleasure in life was to sit in the local and enjoy a pint of beer and a cigarette has died of hypothermia.
The government has killed a great British institution hundreds of years old, the pub was not only a place which sold alcohol it was the social centre of the community, where people met, talked, played together but now they stay home and drink beer bought from the supermarkets so much cheaper adding fortunes to those Sainsbury and Tesco heirs sitting in the House of Lords.
Last year an average of 52 pubs a week in Britain were closing their doors for the last time, costing the tax payer a quarter of a billion pounds in lost revenue.
Bobinovich
09-Apr-10, 00:29
Well as a non-smoker I for one am happier - today I enjoyed a lunch-time meal, drinks and craic with some friends and our respective kids in the Y-Not. Not something I would have contemplated in the bad old days...
Tubthumper
09-Apr-10, 00:30
I think you might find that there are other issues putting pressure on the good old British pub. Not least the appropriateness(?) of alcohol (a drug which (in the opinion of some) causes significant damage to individuals and communities) being at the centre of the community. And greedy corporations owning them, as a result of a government attempt to put 'the free market' in the driving seat.
I take that aspect on board Fred and agree with you that it's sad to see the pubs closing but can only say that most people who want to go out still do. Many others who choose to stay at home actually confine their smoking to a single room or opt to go outside for their smoke there too. I remember when they used to set an ashtray on your locker in hospital.....and that seems outrageous now. However, it's a sign of changing times and, personally, I'm happy that everywhere seems cleaner, fresher and healthier for the ban and I'm ashamed that I used to pollute my family's living space.
the poor old aged pensioner who's only pleasure in life was to sit in the local and enjoy a pint of beer and a cigarette has died of hypothermia.
Fred what a load of bull, I am a senior citizen, we do not call ourselves OAPS any more, I sit in my local a few nights a week, even attend a quiz with an Orger in my team, in the company of smokers, and 90% of the smokers I know do not mind, having a drag or two outside, and I was a smoker until I saw the light . And my only pleasure is not sitting in a pub, many of us have more things to do with our lives.
Fred what a load of bull, I am a senior citizen, we do not call ourselves OAPS any more, I sit in my local a few nights a week, even attend a quiz with an Orger in my team, in the company of smokers, and 90% of the smokers I know do not mind, having a drag or two outside, and I was a smoker until I saw the light . And my only pleasure is not sitting in a pub, many of us have more things to do with our lives.
Last year an average of 52 pubs a year were closing their doors for the last time.
Personal opinions and anecdotal evidence is one thing, the statistics say something else.
Last year an average of 52 pubs a year were closing their doors for the last time.
Personal opinions and anecdotal evidence is one thing, the statistics say something else.
That cannot be laid wholey at the feet of the Smoking Ban, there is an economic crisis in the world at the moment, pubs have been closing for some time for many reasons, a wee question? When did you last frequent a pub?
redeyedtreefrog
09-Apr-10, 00:57
Last year an average of 52 pubs a year were closing their doors for the last time.
Personal opinions and anecdotal evidence is one thing, the statistics say something else.
Please link to these figures, wise one.
Last year an average of 52 pubs a year were closing their doors for the last time.
Personal opinions and anecdotal evidence is one thing, the statistics say something else.
How many other small businesses closed? More than 52 a week (I suppose you meant - not year)
Times are changing. Especially in the commercial sector.
Did the two dry humpers making out in the pub go outside for a smoke when they finished?
Last year an average of 52 pubs a year were closing their doors for the last time.
Personal opinions and anecdotal evidence is one thing, the statistics say something else.
Is that a bad thing? The country moves on. If we don't use or need something anymore why fight to keep it? We don't owe anybody an artificial living. If the pub owners want to put the effort into changing what they offer to attract us back in again fine. But if it is broke and you dont fix it, throw it away and get something else.
The Drunken Duck
09-Apr-10, 07:45
I dont smoke but I do feel sorry for smokers these days, I occasionally even get annoyed when someone smoking outside puts smoke in my direction but thats about it.
It seems today that if you smoke, which is a legal habit, you are treated like some sort of lowlife. But if you are a Heroin addict you can claim Disability because its classed as that, if you overeat to the point that your obese and anyone criticises you for it you are entitled to get all teary eyed and start dripping about bullying. I watched a mate of mine get lectured by a severly overweight woman about his smoking habit without a trace of irony, I feel sorry for smokers. They seem to be fair game for anyone these days.
John Little
09-Apr-10, 07:57
Pubs have been round since ancient times. Smoking since circa 1600.
I don't see that people went to them to smoke. They went to drink.
I blame Tescos and taxes for pub closures.
northener
09-Apr-10, 08:13
The closure rate has eased off somewhat recently, the figure is down to 39 now on average. That's still 39 too many in my book.
The reason for Pub closures cannot just be laid at the feet of the smoking issue. It's quite complex picture.
There's been a massive amount of criticism of tied house estates being taken over by companies that are nothing more than a property management and investment setup with scant interest in creating good pubs. They rack the rents up, tie the leaseholder into using overpriced suppliers and flog off many pubs for 'redevelopment' - because that's where the money is.
Tie this in with ever increasing taxation, a shift to home entertainment and more people staying in with drinks and you have a recipe for disaster. The smoking ban will certainly have caused a shift in peoples' drinking habits - but it's a very varied picture.
Some pubs are thriving -all acrioss the board - independants, tied and managed houses. Spoons are lined up for a cracking year, I believe. And there are many success stories around too.
A very mixed bag.
Pubs have been round since ancient times. Smoking since circa 1600.
I don't see that people went to them to smoke. They went to drink.
I blame Tescos and taxes for pub closures.
I don't think they went there to drink either, I think they went to the pub to socialise, man is by nature a social animal, people went to the pub to interact with other people. The pubs have always done well in a recession before, pubs weren't closing at an alarming rate in the great depression of the 30s.
The smoking ban is just one part of the government's efforts to kill the local hostelry and yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the campaign, lobbying and bribes which brought it about weren't financed by Tesco.
I don't think they went there to drink either, I think they went to the pub to socialise, man is by nature a social animal, people went to the pub to interact with other people. The pubs have always done well in a recession before, pubs weren't closing at an alarming rate in the great depression of the 30s.
The smoking ban is just one part of the government's efforts to kill the local hostelry and yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the campaign, lobbying and bribes which brought it about weren't financed by Tesco.
No amount of Government conspiracy will stop people choosing their own entertainment. You blame the Government (for everything), I don't blame anyone. It's our choice.
If a pub makes money it will thrive, if it doesn't it will close. Simples
The smoking ban is just one part of the government's efforts to kill the local hostelry and yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the campaign, lobbying and bribes which brought it about weren't financed by Tesco.
What! You are not being serious? :confused
No amount of Government conspiracy will stop people choosing their own entertainment. You blame the Government (for everything), I don't blame anyone. It's our choice.
If a pub makes money it will thrive, if it doesn't it will close. Simples
But it is government who creates the choice. A smoker can choose between going to the pub, paying £3 a pint and standing outside in a force ten blizzard for a cigarette or staying home by their fireside drinking cheap lager from Tescos.
It isn't just the smoking laws, was a time when people would make their own entertainment. Someone might bring along their accordion, someone else a fiddle, have a bit of impromptu folk music round the fire at the country pub but now the landlord would be facing a hefty fine and a prison sentence for allowing that to happen.
But it is government who creates the choice. A smoker can choose between going to the pub, paying £3 a pint and standing outside in a force ten blizzard for a cigarette or staying home by their fireside drinking cheap lager from Tescos.
It isn't just the smoking laws, was a time when people would make their own entertainment. Someone might bring along their accordion, someone else a fiddle, have a bit of impromptu folk music round the fire at the country pub but now the landlord would be facing a hefty fine and a prison sentence for allowing that to happen.
Well I've been visiting country pubs for 40 years. I don't recall that happening once. Nearest was on the ferry to Shetland.
I think you might be living in a Charles Dickens novel
I've seen plenty of drunken fights though :lol:
Well I've been visiting country pubs for 40 years. I don't recall that happening once. Nearest was on the ferry to Shetland.
I think you might be living in a Charles Dickens novel
I've seen plenty of drunken fights though :lol:
You've obviously been going to the wrong pubs.
It's all Tesco's fault the dirty bersets! Selling cheap booze, how very dare they!
Well that and as northener says, a whole host of things. Adding to that list is a change in society and the views of society (somewhat forced by THEM (the Gov't)).
For instance, drink driving, now I am not condoning it and quite rightly it is totally unacceptable but a few years ago you were unlucky if the rozzers nabbed you, now you are careless, stupid potential murderer.
I know people who would go for a couple of pints after work and then drive home, these days they drive home and then grab a tinny supplied by our luvvurly Mr T.
Take also most industrial park / areas, they used to be teaming with pubs that were filled to the brim about 30 seconds after the gates opened at the mill, but what do we have, no mills, no manufacturing or large scale employment in those areas so the pubs close. I used to live near Trafford Park in Manchestershershire, again it used to be teaming with pubs, I think the last one closed a few years ago. Shame as it was a decent boozer and architecturally a grand building.
And there are more and more business with a zero tolerance to alcohol and in some cases random testing, no longer is it acceptable to rock up to work with a stinking hangover.
Smoking is just part of the problem and I do hate having to walk through a team of smokers chuffing away to get into all these smoke free buildings!
I went to a pub a few years ago that obviously invested heavily in the layout and air conditioning, the larger part was a non smoking pub / restaurant and a small part was a smoking area tap room / vault style. And it worked brilliantly, there was not a hint of smoke in the non smoking side. The air handling was designed in such a way it pushed the 'clean' air into the smoking section and then the extract drew it out on that side.
Smoke free pubs work for me, I just wished more of them would think about doing something outside for the smokers to keep them away from the door. I know some pubs have put up marques or even bike / bus shelter type things.
But you can't smoke in a pub/cafe anyway, so where DO you patronize?
Nowhere, I refuse to go into these places, I won't even go on public transport, hospital, anywhere, regardless of reason.
Afraid it's not the bar owners or such like who have decreed that smokers can't light up inside. Laws are laws and whilst my original opinion was that it was an infringement of civil liberties, I now believe that it is probably the best thing to have happened in years. My only regret is that they didn't do it sooner....and I'm an ex-smoker so can see it from both angles.
Well I am a smoker, I enjoy my cigs, and I agree with you to an extent.
As a smoker, I have no problem with the ban. I try to avoid smoking around people I know who do not smoke anyway. The choice to smoke was one I made, and I made it for myself not the people around me - they should not suffer any of the possible negative consequences I have put myself at risk of.
Well said.
Where are they now? All those non smokers who were going to be visiting their local pub more often if they didn't have to endure the second hand smoke?
The pubs are empty, the pavement outside is full, the poor old aged pensioner who's only pleasure in life was to sit in the local and enjoy a pint of beer and a cigarette has died of hypothermia.
The government has killed a great British institution hundreds of years old, the pub was not only a place which sold alcohol it was the social centre of the community, where people met, talked, played together but now they stay home and drink beer bought from the supermarkets so much cheaper adding fortunes to those Sainsbury and Tesco heirs sitting in the House of Lords.
Last year an average of 52 pubs a week in Britain were closing their doors for the last time, costing the tax payer a quarter of a billion pounds in lost revenue.
I am a "stay at homer", I enjoy my drink, my smoke and "home entertainment" a movie, dvd or music.
I take that aspect on board Fred and agree with you that it's sad to see the pubs closing but can only say that most people who want to go out still do. Many others who choose to stay at home actually confine their smoking to a single room or opt to go outside for their smoke there too. I remember when they used to set an ashtray on your locker in hospital.....and that seems outrageous now. However,it's a sign of changing times and, personally, I'm happy that everywhere seems cleaner, fresher and healthier for the ban and I'm ashamed that I used to pollute my family's living space.
Aye. yer right, everything is cleaner, that is why reasonably healthy folks go into hospital for something and come out with something else, if they come out at all!
i am an x-smoker stoped when i fell pregnant, and i view the ban in a completly diffrent way now i have had my son, i think its a great thing as children are not subjected to breathing in other peoples smoke. it makes me quiet angry when someone sparks up around my son. its selfish!!
i am an x-smoker stoped when i fell pregnant, and i view the ban in a completly diffrent way now i have had my son, i think its a great thing as children are not subjected to breathing in other peoples smoke. it makes me quiet angry when someone sparks up around my son. its selfish!!
so is your attitude.
so is your attitude.
But she is right....
It's a health issue. Your smoke - either direct or second hand - is a killer.
What is there about that that you fail to understand?
Fred, your pitiful defence of smoking shocks me!
You must be a psychopath. Yes, that's it - a psychopath. I can just see you and Tony Blair in behind the shelter sheds puffing away on your woodbines, or rolling your disgusting Sun Valley/Old Virginia special shag productions.
And then on to the Balkan Sobranie, and cheroots from Murray Frame's tobacconist in Glasgow, buy them by the handful out of a big wicker basket -then the pipes, ah fond memories of the Barlings and the Kapp and Petersons on Dame Street in Dublin with the hallmarked silver bands - Sherlock Holmes Rules!!! - and Erinmore Flake from Ulster and then the unforgettable introduction to snuff, over port in the sitting room of the Provost's house in Trinity with old Dean Swift in his 18th century gilt-framed portrait and the tarry nicotine residue running down the walls in O' Donoghues with the Irish football on the radio and Navy rum and blackurrent and great choking lung fulls of those US Cheroots with the molasses in them.
OK Fred, I have convinced you to abandon your hedonistic ways.
Well done.
Tomorrow is the first fay of the rest of your smoke free life!
But she is right.... she is definetly right
northener
09-Apr-10, 21:27
It's a health issue. Your smoke - either direct or second hand - is a killer.
What is there about that that you fail to understand?
Fred, your pitiful defence of smoking shocks me!
You must be a psychopath. Yes, that's it - a psychopath. I can just see you and Tony Blair in behind the shelter sheds puffing away on your woodbines, or rolling your disgusting Sun Valley/Old Virginia special shag productions.
And then on to the Balkan Sobranie, and cheroots from Murray Frame's tobacconist in Glasgow, buy them by the handful out of a big wicker basket -then the pipes, ah fond memories of the Barlings and the Kapp and Petersons on Dame Street in Dublin with the hallmarked silver bands - Sherlock Holmes Rules!!! - and Erinmore Flake from Ulster and then the unforgettable introduction to snuff, over port in the sitting room of the Provost's house in Trinity with old Dean Swift in his 18th century gilt-framed portrait and the tarry nicotine residue running down the walls in O' Donoghues with the Irish football on the radio and Navy rum and blackurrent and great choking lung fulls of those US Cheroots with the molasses in them.
OK Fred, I have convinced you to abandon your hedonistic ways.
Well done.
Tomorrow is the first fay of the rest of your smoke free life!
Well, you've just convinced me to take up smoking again.....:Razz
i am an x-smoker stoped when i fell pregnant, and i view the ban in a completly diffrent way now i have had my son, i think its a great thing as children are not subjected to breathing in other peoples smoke. it makes me quiet angry when someone sparks up around my son. its selfish!!
Traditionally public bars are not a place for young people they are places for adults to consume alcohol.
By all means have smoke free pubs for people who do not wish to drink in a smoky environment, pubs with a smoke free area even and have them clearly labelled so everyone has the freedom of choice.
But don't you think demanding that the patrons of a sleazy jazz club in a cellar in Soho don't have a cigarette with their drink so your son can go in there is a little on the selfish side?
Smoker here, but i must admit I chat to a lot more people now in the smoking areas that I probably wouldnt have bothered with before the ban. Still think pubs should have smoke rooms though, either that or smoking and non smoking pubs. And whats with the craic with the non smokers going outside in the summer. Get back inside, youre not one of us!!!
the patrons of a sleazy jazz club in a cellar in Soho
Hmmm......Wheres the raised eyebrow emoticon when you need it. :lol:
.......puffing away on your woodbines
aaahhh, Woodbines!
Fine memories of Fred the Halfsuit betting me I wouldn't finish one in between his legendary squeezebox sessions. Halcyon days.
(that's not this fred cos' it woz Fred the Halfsuit, so a dif'rent Fred)
Did the two dry humpers making out in the pub go outside for a smoke when they finished?
Ha ha! I don't imagine that the post-coital fag tastes the same when you have to lean against the outside walls of the Ca........uld pub[lol]
Ha ha! I don't imagine that the post-coital fag tastes the same when you have to lean against the outside walls of the Ca........uld pub[lol]
Aye! But it mebbe a right of passage! :eek:
Smoker here, but i must admit I chat to a lot more people now in the smoking areas that I probably wouldnt have bothered with before the ban. Still think pubs should have smoke rooms though, either that or smoking and non smoking pubs. And whats with the craic with the non smokers going outside in the summer. Get back inside, youre not one of us!!!
Hmmm..would be interesting to see the what would happen now if there WERE smoking rooms. Would the non-smokers join the rest in that area or would they stay in the clean air area?? That element of the ban has also had an effect on the going out/staying in argument as I have lost count of the number of times I have been left sitting at the table watching all the pints while the rest of the company get up and go outside en masse for a smoke. Definitely splits up a company and gets a bit boring after a while.......................reckon that leads to more staying in too.
Traditionally public bars are not a place for young people they are places for adults to consume alcohol.
By all means have smoke free pubs for people who do not wish to drink in a smoky environment, pubs with a smoke free area even and have them clearly labelled so everyone has the freedom of choice.
But don't you think demanding that the patrons of a sleazy jazz club in a cellar in Soho don't have a cigarette with their drink so your son can go in there is a little on the selfish side?
This law will never be changed, so get used to it (you've had long enough).
I am a smoker BTW
I'm more concerned that we are trying to ban smoking everywhere, even places you cannot possibly bother or harm others with it.:roll:
We should make smoking illegal and then the tax payer can foot the bill for the rehab-like other drugs
Tubthumper
10-Apr-10, 09:43
aaahhh, Woodbines!
Fine memories of Fred the Halfsuit betting me I wouldn't finish one in between his legendary squeezebox sessions. Halcyon days.
(that's not this fred cos' it woz Fred the Halfsuit, so a dif'rent Fred)
No, our Fred's a half-something, but not a halfsuit.
best thing that ever happened!
It's a health issue. Your smoke - either direct or second hand - is a killer.
What is there about that that you fail to understand?
Fred, your pitiful defence of smoking shocks me!
You must be a psychopath. Yes, that's it - a psychopath. I can just see you and Tony Blair in behind the shelter sheds puffing away on your woodbines, or rolling your disgusting Sun Valley/Old Virginia special shag productions.
And then on to the Balkan Sobranie, and cheroots from Murray Frame's tobacconist in Glasgow, buy them by the handful out of a big wicker basket -then the pipes, ah fond memories of the Barlings and the Kapp and Petersons on Dame Street in Dublin with the hallmarked silver bands - Sherlock Holmes Rules!!! - and Erinmore Flake from Ulster and then the unforgettable introduction to snuff, over port in the sitting room of the Provost's house in Trinity with old Dean Swift in his 18th century gilt-framed portrait and the tarry nicotine residue running down the walls in O' Donoghues with the Irish football on the radio and Navy rum and blackurrent and great choking lung fulls of those US Cheroots with the molasses in them.
OK Fred, I have convinced you to abandon your hedonistic ways.
Well done.
Tomorrow is the first fay of the rest of your smoke free life!
What a rant!
Traditionally public bars are not a place for young people they are places for adults to consume alcohol.
By all means have smoke free pubs for people who do not wish to drink in a smoky environment, pubs with a smoke free area even and have them clearly labelled so everyone has the freedom of choice.
But don't you think demanding that the patrons of a sleazy jazz club in a cellar in Soho don't have a cigarette with their drink so your son can go in there is a little on the selfish side?
Most non smokers are selfish! even those who once were smokers,
they believe themselves the "elite" of todays society, the "I am the healthiest person I know",
It sickens me that they do not afford others the same consideration, or choice, ie; to smoke or not to smoke,
It sickens me that they think all smokers are stupid / psychopaths/ inconsiderate individuals, with no thought for anyone but themselves, which is something which is a figment of their own imagination.
I personally would not light up in the home of another, or where there are young children, in a pub, cafe, or restaurant or anywhere near food, (not even in my own home),
I am concious of the harm "smoking / second hand smoking causes,
I am a smoker, because I enjoy smoking, it is my choice.
All non smokers are selfish! even those who once were smokers,
they believe themselves the "elite" of todays society, the "I am the healthiest person I know",
It sickens me that they do not afford others the same consideration, or choice, ie; to smoke or not to smoke,
It sickens me that they think all smokers are stupid / psychopaths/ inconsiderate individuals, with no thought for anyone but themselves, which is something which is a figment of their own imagination.
I personally would not light up in the home of another, or where there are young children, in a pub, cafe, or restaurant or anywhere near food, (not even in my own home),
I am concious of the harm "smoking / second hand smoking causes,
I am a smoker, because I enjoy smoking, it is my choice.
I agree with you Commore, it is sad that I cannot express my opinions on this subject without being called a psychopath.
Just as one section of society sees themselves as the elite and think that gives them the right to force others to do as they say I'm afraid there is a gang of people on the org who see themselves as the elite and think that gives them the right to silence anyone who does not agree with them with insults and intimidation. As which thread I post in you will see the same people posting the personal abuse.
Who's complaining? :Razz
You should've heard my step sisters partner complain when he was told to smoke outside my mum's house in the wind and rain. His face was priceless lol.
A smoke room could conceivably, be provided by businesses.
"The ban" was the most selfish "act" yet,
No it is common knowledge that most smokers are selfish as most of them can not see past their need to light up. there are some that will not smoke around people that do not smoke but quite a few smokers will just complain if you ask them not to smoke around you in a closed space.
I have a 4 family members who smoke and not one of them agures on my feelings that when my baby is born that they must wait half an hour after smoking before handling my baby. In fact they think its a good idea.
What is truly selfish is what you have just wrote in your post. Why should the person who serves you have to suffer from passive smoking?
Tubthumper
10-Apr-10, 11:54
As which thread I post in you will see the same people posting the personal abuse.
It's not personal, I would make the same posts in response to any rambling paranoid conspiracy theorist who polluted the org with his or her garbage. It's about choice, just like smoking. You CHOOSE to post unsubstantiated tripe, I CHOOSE to make light of you. You CHOOSE to call it abise. you could CHOOSE to stop posting if it makes you feel so bad.
Ever thought to ask yourself why it happens Fred? Or thought of changing your tack Fred?
northener
10-Apr-10, 11:56
All non smokers are selfish! even those who once were smokers,
they believe themselves the "elite" of todays society, the "I am the healthiest person I know",
It sickens me that they do not afford others the same consideration, or choice, ie; to smoke or not to smoke,
It sickens me that they think all smokers are stupid / psychopaths/ inconsiderate individuals, with no thought for anyone but themselves, which is something which is a figment of their own imagination.
I personally would not light up in the home of another, or where there are young children, in a pub, cafe, or restaurant or anywhere near food, (not even in my own home),
I am concious of the harm "smoking / second hand smoking causes,
I am a smoker, because I enjoy smoking, it is my choice.
Now that's a rant, Commore.:Razz
So it's not Tesco after all! ;)
Todays News:
"Beer prices 'force landlords out'
Some pub landlords say they are being squeezed out of business by the high rents and inflated beer prices demanded by pub companies. A GMB union survey of 3,000 tied landlords suggests that almost a third have debts of nearly £50,000.
About half of the UK's 52,000 pubs are tied to pub companies, where they lease premises from the companies and are obliged to buy their beer from them. The GMB said the high price of beer was driving thousands of their members out of business. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/8612716.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/8612716.stm)
The plot thickens
The smoking sickens
All our orgy mums.
Commore barks his vitriol
Demands return to history
All, The pubs should allow
Fred to take a bow
With bow in hand,
fiddles with the band
And, fag in gob, he’s not a snob
Tubthumper’s shout (mine’s a stout)
The Gov’s to blame
For our pain
And Tesco too makes us blue
As with cheap booze
We all will loose
Our pubs.
Fan mail: just no ... leave tubs to it.. His are bad, this is 10 times worse than his worst.
All non smokers are selfish! even those who once were smokers,
they believe themselves the "elite" of todays society, the "I am the healthiest person I know",
It sickens me that they do not afford others the same consideration, or choice, ie; to smoke or not to smoke,
It sickens me that they think all smokers are stupid / psychopaths/ inconsiderate individuals, with no thought for anyone but themselves, which is something which is a figment of their own imagination.
I personally would not light up in the home of another, or where there are young children, in a pub, cafe, or restaurant or anywhere near food, (not even in my own home),
I am concious of the harm "smoking / second hand smoking causes,
I am a smoker, because I enjoy smoking, it is my choice.
I do not believe not smoking makes me the elite of society, I believe i am the elite of society whether i smoke or not.[lol]
I agree with you Commore, it is sad that I cannot express my opinions on this subject without being called a psychopath.
Just as one section of society sees themselves as the elite and think that gives them the right to force others to do as they say I'm afraid there is a gang of people on the org who see themselves as the elite and think that gives them the right to silence anyone who does not agree with them with insults and intimidation. As which thread I post in you will see the same people posting the personal abuse.
I am not easily intimidated.
No it is common knowledge that most smokers are selfish as most of them can not see past their need to light up. there are some that will not smoke around people that do not smoke but quite a few smokers will just complain if you ask them not to smoke around you in a closed space.
I have a 4 family members who smoke and not one of them agures on my feelings that when my baby is born that they must wait half an hour after smoking before handling my baby. In fact they think its a good idea.
What is truly selfish is what you have just wrote in your post. Why should the person who serves you have to suffer from passive smoking?
You have a point, however, anyone going after such a job would presumably make a concious decision as to whether or not they were suitable for that job,
it is not as though they are being forced into serving a smoker, is it?
so is your attitude.
how can u call me selfish! i am just stating that someone that lights up a fag around my son or any other non smoker is selfish! a child is innocent and has 2 breath in ur 2nd hand smoke. and someone that dosnt smoke has made that choice 4 a reason.
also FRED i wouldnt take my son into a cellar bar in soho, so please leave the sarcasam out lol i mean on the street, when im at a bus stop, standing waitin in a que at the cash machine! if you want 2 smoke then that is ur choice but y should other people have 2 breath it in aswel. im not against havin certain places in pubs or cafes for smokers. but just not where there is kids around! chee wata hot topic this iss lol x
Now that's a rant, Commore.:Razz
Yes, it is.
:)
how can u call me selfish! i am just stating that someone that lights up a fag around my son or any other non smoker is selfish! a child is innocent and has 2 breath in ur 2nd hand smoke. and someone that dosnt smoke has made that choice 4 a reason.
also FRED i wouldnt take my son into a cellar bar in soho, so please leave the sarcasam out lol i mean on the street, when im at a bus stop, standing waitin in a que at the cash machine! if you want 2 smoke then that is ur choice but y should other people have 2 breath it in aswel. im not against havin certain places in pubs or cafes for smokers. but just not where there is kids around! chee wata hot topic this iss lol x
Now, who is on the defensive? certainly not the "unselfish uncaring individual otherwise known as the smoker",
No one said that "you personally would take your young son anywhere" untoward,
seems to me, that you have conflicting ideas within yourself with regard to "smoking" in general, as opposed to what is right or wrong for your young lad,
As a parent, and you profess you are, then it is entirely your decision where you take your son,
however, if you did choose to take your child into a "bar" then you should expect him to be subject to whatever goes on in that bar, and basically not complain about it.
I think I should add, that I do see your point of view, I appreciate what you are saying, but can you not see it albeit for a but a moment, from my view point?
It takes all sorts to make our world and fortunately, we all have choice.
You have every right to protect your child from smoking / smokers and I have every right to smoke if I choose,
I do choose, not smoke around other people's children, and again that is my choice.
As for smokers smoking in the great outdoors, ie standing in a queue anywhere in the great outdoors, I think you and the powers at be in government would really have to go some to put a stop to that, don't you?
I think your attitude toward your fellow man is rather one sided, don't you?
If the whole smoking concept was to be left to people with your mindset, then the whole country would come to rather abrupt halt,
the government and their taxes on tobacco would become defunct and there would be a helleva lot of rather grumpy and quite sick people walkng upon your streets, all for the want a smoke and lets not forget who started a whole lot of smokers smoking, Doctors did their bit or at least mine did, he suggested I smoke, to calm my nerves he said!
Well, for the last 40 years my nerves have been calmed,
same cannot be said about yours, judging by your continued "defensive" comments......................?
I do not believe not smoking makes me the elite of society, I believe i am the elite of society whether i smoke or not.[lol]
LOL!
Me too!
Love it!
So it's not Tesco after all! ;)
Todays News:
"Beer prices 'force landlords out'
Some pub landlords say they are being squeezed out of business by the high rents and inflated beer prices demanded by pub companies. A GMB union survey of 3,000 tied landlords suggests that almost a third have debts of nearly £50,000.
About half of the UK's 52,000 pubs are tied to pub companies, where they lease premises from the companies and are obliged to buy their beer from them. The GMB said the high price of beer was driving thousands of their members out of business. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/8612716.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/8612716.stm)
And what has this to do with the price of a packet of "F**s" which is also Bl**dy ridiculous?
Now, who is on the defensive? certainly not the "unselfish uncaring individual otherwise known as the smoker",
No one said that "you personally would take your young son anywhere" untoward,
seems to me, that you have conflicting ideas within yourself with regard to "smoking" in general, as opposed to what is right or wrong for your young lad,
As a parent, and you profess you are, then it is entirely your decision where you take your son,
however, if you did choose to take your child into a "bar" then you should expect him to be subject to whatever goes on in that bar, and basically not complain about it.
I think I should add, that I do see your point of view, I appreciate what you are saying, but can you not see it albeit for a but a moment, from my view point?
It takes all sorts to make our world and fortunately, we all have choice.
You have every right to protect your child from smoking / smokers and I have every right to smoke if I choose,
I do choose, not smoke around other people's children, and again that is my choice.
As for smokers smoking in the great outdoors, ie standing in a queue anywhere in the great outdoors, I think you and the powers at be in government would really have to go some to put a stop to that, don't you?
I think your attitude toward your fellow man is rather one sided, don't you?
If the whole smoking concept was to be left to people with your mindset, then the whole country would come to rather abrupt halt,
the government and their taxes on tobacco would become defunct and there would be a helleva lot of rather grumpy and quite sick people walkng upon your streets, all for the want a smoke and lets not forget who started a whole lot of smokers smoking, Doctors did their bit or at least mine did, he suggested I smoke, to calm my nerves he said!
Well, for the last 40 years my nerves have been calmed,
same cannot be said about yours, judging by your continued "defensive" comments......................?
i do see ur side ov view! i loved smoking and enjoyed havin a fag, especially when i was peeeeed off.... and i would smoke anywhere but not around kids, but u do get the odd few smokers that do not care if there is a young child around and they are the smokers i am calling selfish!
if i didnt fall pregnant then i would have never stoped smoking and would still be at it till this day....
and about the standin in que thing... if u are walking past smoking a fag fair enough, but have a think about the person behind u havin 2 breath it in , or will smell ov ur smoke, its rank i neva noticed the smell ov smoke on me while i smoked but i notice it now that i dont on my family that do smoke....
and ur doctor tellin u to smoke... like u said that was 40 years ago, they thot smoking was a good thing then. u get pills to chill u out now that wont kill u or other people.
Question: "how do you feel after not being aloud to smoke in pubs cafes etc"
Excellent! I don't fart in these places, so have no wish to inhale their stinking exhaled breath as I tuck into a cream tea, and have to wash my clothes when I get home.
I've never smoked. The only one in my family who ever smoked; my father, died in agony from Lung Cancer - how do I know? I nursed him for 6 weeks whilst he deteriorated from a relatively normal person to someone I had to take to the toilet and wipe his arse.
A few months ago I was visiting a friend in Hospital, and in the bed next to her was a grey-skinned woman with a mask thing on her face buzzing away, making it impossible for my friend to sleep; "Inhaler Therapy" I was told.. "smoked 40 fags a day for 30 years" I'm also told.
Imagine a jumbo jet crashing each day killing all on board, that's how many do 'em self in smoking related..
Bitter? maybe I am, watched anyone die lately? do it in your own space and I won't fart in yours..
Oh yea, we go into Spoons now, never did when it was 'smoking':
Non-Smoking
The Company now operates 61 non-smoking pubs outside Scotland, which have either been converted from ‘smoking pubs’ or have opened in the last couple of years as non-smoking pubs. The converted pubs showed substantial declines in sales and profits in the year following their conversion, but have shown encouraging like-for-like sales and profits growth, above the Company average, in the period under review. Scottish pubs, in which smoking was banned by legislation in March 2006, have performed at a better level than expected, with like-for-like sales increasing by 5% in the period under review, and with profits at the same level as the previous year. http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/investors/finance-reports/final-interim-press-release-02.03.07.pdf (http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/investors/finance-reports/final-interim-press-release-02.03.07.pdf)
sleazy jazz club in a cellar in Soho
i wouldnt take my son into a cellar bar in soho
Isn't this getting a bit Sohoist!!
What's wrong with Soho? I've been in cellar bars in Soho and.....ahh.....they weren't jazz bars though. Funnily the last one had an issue with smoke, strangely there were a lot of mirrors also.... but I digress.
Again this is a question of balance. Balance between all these "Rights" we all have and the "Freedom of Choice" that we all have.
I prefer no smoking pubs, especially those pitched as family pubs which used to allow smoking in an environment where there were kids play areas.
I also accept that there could be a relaxation for smoking pubs. But how do you staff them? I don't know.
The government (and politicos of any persuasion) are running themselves into the ground with this, they are all but illegalising* a drug that they tax. It cannot carry on like this unless they go down the road of legalising heroin etc. taxing it but making it illegal to use except in your own home!
illegalising* new word? but you get my drift.
also i must just add...
to all the smokers who are sayin ( but we all have choices in life and its ur choice to smoke)
when u are smoking around NON smoker you ARE NOT giving them a CHOICE whether they want to breath in ur smoke or not!
thats all i am gona say on this topic now lol
i do see ur side ov view! i loved smoking and enjoyed havin a fag, especially when i was peeeeed off.... and i would smoke anywhere but not around kids, but u do get the odd few smokers that do not care if there is a young child around and they are the smokers i am calling selfish!
if i didnt fall pregnant then i would have never stoped smoking and would still be at it till this day....
and about the standin in que thing... if u are walking past smoking a fag fair enough, but have a think about the person behind u havin 2 breath it in , or will smell ov ur smoke, its rank i neva noticed the smell ov smoke on me while i smoked but i notice it now that i dont on my family that do smoke....
and ur doctor tellin u to smoke... like u said that was 40 years ago, they thot smoking was a good thing then. u get pills to chill u out now that wont kill u or other people.
Huh, huh, you can get pills for nearly everything nowadays,
and pills of any description for whatever use are just as "addictive" to certain people, whether they be vitamins or whatever,
Some folks are just naturally addicts, it's in their nature and has little or nothing to do with what is their addiction,
it's like "coffee" or decaf.
:) C
The Drunken Duck
11-Apr-10, 11:18
also i must just add...
to all the smokers who are sayin ( but we all have choices in life and its ur choice to smoke)
when u are smoking around NON smoker you ARE NOT giving them a CHOICE whether they want to breath in ur smoke or not!
thats all i am gona say on this topic now lol
I'm not a smoker but the last time I looked non smokers had legs, dont like smoke ?? .. use your own freedom of choice and walk away. No one is forcing you to stand there and breathe it are they ??, but hang on .. silly me. Then non smokers wouldnt have a chance to moan would they ??, With the limiting of smoking to certain areas these days its not like its difficult for non smokers to avoid being exposed to smoke.
Ther are other addictions that seem to be more accepted than smoking these days, like overeating for instance. Cant criticise fatty who eats like food is being banned the next day. How much does obesity cost the NHS ??, Cant criticise the Herion addict and their habit can we ??, no today thats a "disability" and therefore not their fault according to our Lords and Masters. And we actually PAY for them to have Methadone. Its ridiculous.
No wonder smokers get defensive these days, there are ILLEGAL habits more tolerated than theirs.
Kevin Milkins
11-Apr-10, 11:36
It's interesting to read the many different opinions on the issue of smoking.
We smoked for about thirty years, and gave up nearly three years ago. When we were smokers, we used to scoff at people that criticised us for smoking in there presence and had very little consideration for them, because we didn't think it was that big an issue.
Whilst given up smoking has improved our health considerably, it has also made us realise what our friends have been telling us for years, (it stinks).
I would be a hypocrite to jump on the anti smoking bandwagon, but I wish I realised what I know now, about thirty years ago, and as for having smoking areas in a pub, would be like saying "peeing is only allowed in the deep end" at the swimming pool.
In the sixties there was an anti-smoking campaign that featured a poster with a pair of inviting lips; the caption read, "Kiss a non-smoker and taste the difference."
Says it all really.
I was brought up in a smoking family. Both parents started smoking during the war, when they were in the forces. As they said smoking helped them through some of the terrible scenes and stenches of the war. They were also of the era when it was 'cool' to smoke. Both of them died at an early age, smoking a contributory factor . I have worked most of my adult life among smokers, unfortunately it has affected my health, through 'passive' smoking, my eyes water, I start coughing and have breathing problems. As one or two members have stated - move away - not easily done when in a works meeting sitting next to a smoker, not even smoking, but just the smell on their clothes causes my problems to start. Yes we all have choices, to smoke, or not smoke, to walk away, or stay. But, on some occasions there is No Choice At All.
I have to say, I am pleased with the ban of smoking in 'public places' especially around food and drink that I have to consume.;)
I'm not a smoker but the last time I looked non smokers had legs, dont like smoke ?? .. use your own freedom of choice and walk away. No one is forcing you to stand there and breathe it are they ??, but hang on .. silly me. Then non smokers wouldnt have a chance to moan would they ??, With the limiting of smoking to certain areas these days its not like its difficult for non smokers to avoid being exposed to smoke.
Ther are other addictions that seem to be more accepted than smoking these days, like overeating for instance. Cant criticise fatty who eats like food is being banned the next day. How much does obesity cost the NHS ??, Cant criticise the Herion addict and their habit can we ??, no today thats a "disability" and therefore not their fault according to our Lords and Masters. And we actually PAY for them to have Methadone. Its ridiculous.
No wonder smokers get defensive these days, there are ILLEGAL habits more tolerated than theirs.
Great sense of humour, you have brightened my day, putting things into perspective like you have! LOL
I was brought up in a smoking family. Both parents started smoking during the war, when they were in the forces. As they said smoking helped them through some of the terrible scenes and stenches of the war. They were also of the era when it was 'cool' to smoke. Both of them died at an early age, smoking a contributory factor . I have worked most of my adult life among smokers, unfortunately it has affected my health, through 'passive' smoking, my eyes water, I start coughing and have breathing problems. As one or two members have stated - move away - not easily done when in a works meeting sitting next to a smoker, not even smoking, but just the smell on their clothes causes my problems to start. Yes we all have choices, to smoke, or not smoke, to walk away, or stay. But, on some occasions there is No Choice At All.
I have to say, I am pleased with the ban of smoking in 'public places' especially around food and drink that I have to consume.;)
I can understand that and yes there are more allergies around these days or at least an awareness of allergies that perhaps were once poo-ed poo-ed by some people,
at least in the modern world no one is subjected to the smoking habits of others.
In my own family only my sister and I smoke, therefore it cannot be said there was "family influence", simply there was not.
I think it is more a case of "the need to smoke is in your genes", it on occasion, is not a matter of choice, it is like any other addiction, just something that happens in some people.
Despite what it says on the packet, that smoking can kill, so can any other addictive drug if taken the wrong way.
Too much of anything is bad for you / or me.
I can understand that and yes there are more allergies around these days or at least an awareness of allergies that perhaps were once poo-ed poo-ed by some people,
at least in the modern world no one is subjected to the smoking habits of others.
In my own family only my sister and I smoke, therefore it cannot be said there was "family influence", simply there was not.
I think it is more a case of "the need to smoke is in your genes", it on occasion, is not a matter of choice, it is like any other addiction, just something that happens in some people.
Despite what it says on the packet, that smoking can kill, so can any other addictive drug if taken the wrong way.
Too much of anything is bad for you / or me.
The effect of passive smoking is NOT an allergy it is inhaling someone else's poison that is coming from their mouth/cigarette as per the following:With passive smoking, non-smokers are forced to breathe in secondhand smoke, which is made up of the smoke that escapes the end of the burning cigarette and the smoke that is exhaled out of the smoker's lungs. Both of these types of smoke contain just as many toxins, chemicals and carcinogenic substances as the smoke from the cigarette that the smoker inhales. This means that anyone breathing in secondhand smoke is exposed to the harmful effects of these substances, as is the smoker himself (see section on what does tobacco smoke consist of). In fact, when a person smokes a cigarette, they only inhale 15% of the tobacco smoke themselves, as the rest escapes into the air for anyone around to breathe in. Studies show that if a non-smoker spends over two hours in a smoky room, during that time, they will have inhaled the equivalent of 4 cigarettes.
Copyright 2005-2010 helpwithsmoking.com :(
Aye. yer right, everything is cleaner, that is why reasonably healthy folks go into hospital for something and come out with something else, if they come out at all!
Well I am pleased I wasn't in Glasgow hospital when you were the Diet cook.;)
Welcomefamily
11-Apr-10, 19:17
I think banning smoking was the best thing they ever did, non smokers can move away but bar staff could not, likewise smoke travels. No one should be subjected to any one elses smoke. Its was fine going outside when I used to smoke.
The effect of passive smoking is NOT an allergy it is inhaling someone else's poison that is coming from their mouth/cigarette as per the following:With passive smoking, non-smokers are forced to breathe in secondhand smoke, which is made up of the smoke that escapes the end of the burning cigarette and the smoke that is exhaled out of the smoker's lungs. Both of these types of smoke contain just as many toxins, chemicals and carcinogenic substances as the smoke from the cigarette that the smoker inhales. This means that anyone breathing in secondhand smoke is exposed to the harmful effects of these substances, as is the smoker himself (see section on what does tobacco smoke consist of). In fact, when a person smokes a cigarette, they only inhale 15% of the tobacco smoke themselves, as the rest escapes into the air for anyone around to breathe in. Studies show that if a non-smoker spends over two hours in a smoky room, during that time, they will have inhaled the equivalent of 4 cigarettes.
Copyright 2005-2010 helpwithsmoking.com :(
Sorry, not interested.
Well I am pleased I wasn't in Glasgow hospital when you were the Diet cook.;)
Geez, who has rattled your cage!
As far as I can see, a debate upon the original post has evolved into an all out war,
Marwill, if I was a lesser person, I could take this last post as a personal insult!!!!!
I shall refrain from retaliating, suffice to add, you [disgust] me too!
I am thinking about not seeing another's point of view,
not willing to see another's point of view,
and of turning into a non thinking, non opinionated, non person who is fast becoming a selfish smoker to BOOT!
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