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scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 17:12
I see Willie Walsh has 2 friends on his Facebook account.............wonder how much he is paying them?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000919955509&ref=search&sid=1223980192.2924089505..1

bhoy1973
20-Mar-10, 17:50
Good man is Willie, the sooner those trolly dollies and camp trolly dollies get back the better it will be for them. Otherwise BA should bin them and get some cheap Polish labour in instead.

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 17:53
Each to their own, I personally think his business plan for BA is crap, the only decent thing left about BA is the in-flight service and that is what he is now targeting.

bhoy1973
20-Mar-10, 18:01
All he's wanting to do is reduce the number of cabin crew on long haul flights by one. Not exactly asking for much. At least BA still offer in flight food without trying to rip you off, unlike every other short haul flight in the UK.

Can't understand why they have gone out on strike, more fool them in a very unstable economy. Of course, the union bods at the top will still have their jobs, chauffeured cars and lengthy expense accounts no matter what happens to their 'members'.

bekisman
20-Mar-10, 18:03
All he's wanting to do is reduce the number of cabin crew on long haul flights by one. Not exactly asking for much. At least BA still offer in flight food without trying to rip you off, unlike every other short haul flight in the UK.

Can't understand why they have gone out on strike, more fool them in a very unstable economy. Of course, the union bods at the top will still have their jobs, chauffeured cars and lengthy expense accounts no matter what happens to their 'members'.

I thought BA already flew from Gatwick with one less crew?

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 18:10
All he's wanting to do is reduce the number of cabin crew on long haul flights by one. Not exactly asking for much. At least BA still offer in flight food without trying to rip you off, unlike every other short haul flight in the UK.

Can't understand why they have gone out on strike, more fool them in a very unstable economy. Of course, the union bods at the top will still have their jobs, chauffeured cars and lengthy expense accounts no matter what happens to their 'members'.

I think you may find he is wanting to do a lot more than what you suggest, anyway without getting in to the rights and wrongs of the dispute I still maintain he does not understand the main asset, and that is the service provided by the cabin crew............maybe someone should suggest the book Treat People Right, by Edward Lawler to him.........a must have resource for anyone concerned about building and sustaining a competative advantage.

bhoy1973
20-Mar-10, 18:19
They have to cut costs to meet the challenge that low fare airlines present. It's a difficult market in that they also want to maintain the type of customer who is willing to pay extra for the service they provide.

Their long haul flights subsidise their loss making short haul routes, I for one would be extremely disappointed should the short sightedness of their cabin crew threaten the short haul routes. Each to their own opinion, but mine is that in this time where companies are paying people off to ensure they survive then the individuals who choose industrial action are actually providing a diservice to the remaining customers they have.

sandyr1
20-Mar-10, 18:26
I think we are back to that same old problem..Union Companies V Non Union!
Obviously Non Union are much cheaper, so Mgmt. is trying to cut costs. I guess that is all they can do! It's the same the World over..I think Japan's National Carrier went down recently!

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 18:29
But the thing is Walsh is relying on the prestige image but implementing budget airline gimmicks to try and make money. I fly long haul with BA regulary, in fact I have two round trip flights from the Middle East to LHR booked for April, I really dont want to have to pay to choose what seat I want, I dont want to have to pay to check in an extra bag - even though both are within my baggage allowance. It is Walsh, his short sightedness and total lack of people skills that have caused his dispute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0dNcxbU9f8&feature=player_embedded

bhoy1973
20-Mar-10, 18:33
Can't say I've had the same experience myself with BA despite flying with them regularly. Strikes reslove nothing. There will just be a higher number of job losses in the long run.

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 18:35
Good man is Willie, the sooner those trolly dollies and camp trolly dollies get back the better it will be for them. Otherwise BA should bin them and get some cheap Polish labour in instead.


I personally think they do a fantastic job, and so does this lady, but perhaps you would welcome less trained, cheaper labour.........it really is a false economy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXD57CZCFE&feature=player_embedded

sandyr1
20-Mar-10, 18:41
[quote=scotsboy;678493]But the thing is Walsh is relying on the prestige image but implementing budget airline gimmicks to try and make money. I fly long haul with BA regulary, in fact I have two round trip flights from the Middle East to LHR booked for April, I really dont want to have to pay to choose what seat I want, I dont want to have to pay to check in an extra bag - even though both are within my baggage allowance. It is Walsh, his short sightedness and total lack of people skills that have caused his dispute. End of quote!!

All airlines are at the extras! I agree it just P......... people off!
Hotels are the same....I was staying in the Courtyard Hotel in Fort Lauderdale recently and they tripled the fees the weekend of the Super Bowl! I complained..(I am Scottish) and guess what...they didn't care!
But then I looked around and they all did it.....what can one do? Just go with the flow!

sandyr1
20-Mar-10, 18:43
[quote=scotsboy;678503]I personally tink they do a fantastic job, and so does this lady, but perhaps you would welcome less trained, cheaper labour.........it really is a false economy:

But Cheeeeeze.. That is their job. Don't you do your job to the best of your ability.............

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 18:48
Yes, but do you think you would get the same care and attention on Ryanair?

sandyr1
20-Mar-10, 19:04
Yes, but do you think you would get the same care and attention on Ryanair?

Never been on Ryanair...BUT have traveled with B.A. & A.C. from Toronto to LHR and then either to Gla or Inv., and I can assure you that Canadian Affair(Thomas Cook) Charters into Gla are a friendlier lot. Also Westjet in Canada. Perhaps it is because the Non Union ones have much younger people and not those grumpy ones! Have your never met the Grumpies??

scotsboy
20-Mar-10, 19:06
Never been on Ryanair...BUT have traveled with B.A. & A.C. from Toronto to LHR and then either to Gla or Inv., and I can assure you that Canadian Affair(Thomas Cook) Charters into Gla are a friendlier lot. Also Westjet in Canada. Perhaps it is because the Non Union ones have much younger people and not those grumpy ones! Have your never met the Grumpies??

KLM have their fare share of grumpies, worst I have ever encountered was Alitalia though, really terrible.

bekisman
20-Mar-10, 20:01
Done a few flights, Air Berlin, BA, Royal Jordanian (Flew into Heathrow on a 747 with 12 passengers; fantastic freedom!) Malaysia Airlines, British Midland, etc the usual budgets; Easyjet, Ryanair, German Wings, Sky Europe - Concorde was fine - narrow seats, but that was as a cafe in Hermeskeil, near Trier Germany - impressed my mother with the photos..

Good source of comments:


http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/seats.htm (http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/seats.htm)

bekisman
20-Mar-10, 20:21
Derek Simpson, joint general secretary of Unite, Britain's biggest trade union, received £89,035 in benefits on top of his £105,217 salary in 2007 - the largest package of any general secretary. Despite pledging to be a "no-frills" leader when he was elected in 2002, Mr Simpson's total pay and perks, which include pension, housing benefit, employers' national insurance and car benefit, came to £194,252. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/4274729/Union-bosses-receive-up-to-90000-benefits.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/4274729/Union-bosses-receive-up-to-90000-benefits.html)

Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting 6 per cent pay rise, taking his salary to £743,000 this year (2009), and could gain £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6474165.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6474165.ece)

Bit of greed going on here? :~(

horseman
20-Mar-10, 21:52
Dunno about the greedy bit, but it dos'e throw up a theory. Remember a trip back from the middle east an,with JAL, there were so few ppl on that flight (747) we had a stewardess to each other. Mine was ever so cuddly!but weeney-but extremely memorable;)
Iv'e lost the pigging thread now! Oh yes,we do a lot of back an fore to the states,an cos of the uncertainly with BA we do not use them. An we were well happy with their service afore the recent industrial ups an downs,an personally, whoever is at fault-I don't give a toss,they will all squak a lot. But the upshot of it is that BA has lost me an my familys custom. End of story.

Bookworm
20-Mar-10, 23:05
All strikes do is cause misery for passengers and cost the company money. Employees of BA should be working with management to find more cost effective ways to improve service and save money, not striking which could sink the airline.

Phill
20-Mar-10, 23:23
Derek Simpson, joint general secretary of Unite, Britain's biggest trade union, received £89,035 in benefits on top of his £105,217 salary in 2007 - the largest package of any general secretary. Despite pledging to be a "no-frills" leader when he was elected in 2002, Mr Simpson's total pay and perks, which include pension, housing benefit, employers' national insurance and car benefit, came to £194,252. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/4274729/Union-bosses-receive-up-to-90000-benefits.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/4274729/Union-bosses-receive-up-to-90000-benefits.html)

Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting 6 per cent pay rise, taking his salary to £743,000 this year (2009), and could gain £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6474165.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6474165.ece)

Bit of greed going on here? :~(


True, but currently and for a long while BA is a PLC. A public/private company operating in a profit/loss sector with the core aim of making money.
Whilst it may seem obscene, the earnings are agreed with that in mind.

But, and here is my problems with unions, the directors/secretary's/gaffers etc. are on obscene earnings paid for out of their members earnings with the aim of protecting such earnings.


All strikes do is cause misery for passengers and cost the company money. Employees of BA should be working with management to find more cost effective ways to improve service and save money, not striking which could sink the airline.

I have long held the opinion that strikes are the ego power trip of the few on one side to show the few on the other side that they are 'worthy' adversaries. The reality is that inevitably the front line employees and the end use customer lose out.

Tony
21-Mar-10, 11:35
Below is a leaflet issued by the Union with the facts.

http://unite.newsweaver.co.uk/images/3341/10792/416191/Job2709%20BA%20A5%20flyer%20the%20facts%20final.pd f

Phill
21-Mar-10, 16:43
Interesting to see Ryanair stepping in to help out BA cover their shuttle services.

:cool: