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Anfield
01-Mar-10, 11:51
Sick thugs pulled up outside Garth Prison, in Lancashire, and set a lurcher on the defenceless animal. They then used mobile phones to film the fallow doe being ripped apart by the dog which was later captured by police.
The attack took place right outside the front gates of the prison in Leyland when a blue Citroen Berlingo, believed to be carrying three poachers, pulled up at around 4.30pm on Thursday.
A Lancashire police spokeswoman said: “Witnesses to the incident say the occupants filmed the attack on their mobile phones before driving off and leaving the lurcher feeding on the animal’s carcass. The dog was captured by police and is now subject to examination and held as evidence.”
Duncan Thomas, a Lancashire Constabulary wildlife officer, added: “This is a sickening attack on a defenceless animal and these people must be caught.
“The fallow doe was pregnant.
“They carried out this crime purely for sport and self-gratification, and I would urge anyone with any information about this incident to come forward.”
Last night, a 41-year-old man from Southport, Lancashire was arrested on suspicion of causing cruelty to animals, killing a wild animal and hunting offences.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/02/27/pregnant-deer-killed-by-dog-outside-lancashire-prison-100252-25925219/

A response from the usual, defend the indefensible hunting Org members is awaited

Stavro
01-Mar-10, 14:07
This is dreadful! These vicious, sociopaths/psychopaths won't give a second thought to the pain and barbaric cruelty that this beautiful, pregnant, vulnerable, animal suffered. The very fact that they took photographs of this despicable torture adds to their callousness and brutal natures. These sadists will no doubt show the mobile photos to brag about this horrendous killing. All animal abuse should be taken very seriously indeed. [evil]

But there should be plenty of evidence: there must be video cameras outside a prison surely?

As for people on here "defending" this, I don't know if you are correct about that.

Liz
01-Mar-10, 15:09
This type of cruelty both sickens :~( and angers [evil] me!

What kind of people can do this?!

Rictina
01-Mar-10, 15:50
Makes me feel sick [evil][evil][disgust]

teenybash
01-Mar-10, 15:57
I doubt if you would find anyone on the org defending this act of mindless cruelty...............[disgust]

sandyr1
01-Mar-10, 16:10
Pretty bad isn't it. I doubt if that can be classified as anything but sheer cruelty!
Pls excuse me.. but what is a Lurcher?? I take it's a breed of dog!

Anfield
01-Mar-10, 16:31
Pretty bad isn't it. I doubt if that can be classified as anything but sheer cruelty!
Pls excuse me.. but what is a Lurcher?? I take it's a breed of dog!
from wiki

The lurcher is a type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_type) of dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog). Not a pure breed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed), it is a hardy, crossbred sighthound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sighthound), generally a cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_breed_dog) between a sighthound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sighthound) and any other breed, usually a pastoral dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_dog) or terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier). Collie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collie) crosses have always been very popular given the working instinct of the sheepdog when mated with a sighthound gives a dog of great intelligence plus speed - prerequisites in this type of canine.

Stavro
01-Mar-10, 17:09
When a bunch of Neds set a pack of hounds on a wild animal and rip it to shreds, society is outraged.

When a bunch of country-types on horseback set a pack of hounds on a wild animal and rip it to shreds, society calls on the Human Rights Act to uphold their rights and to protect this country's traditions.

True, though I have never seen any difference between them.



Someone once said that the basis of law is to protect the 'haves' from the 'have-nots'. Nicely demonstrated.

True again I think.

Boozeburglar
01-Mar-10, 18:29
society calls on the Human Rights Act to uphold their rights and to protect this country's traditions

I don't think 'society' is attempting to argue on the basis of anything for fox hunting.

Some people are arguing for fox hunting, not society as a whole.

I am sure the majority of those outraged at seeing an animal needlessly killed in this way would find the destruction of a fox in a similar way distasteful.

I take your point about the rest of them.

One would expect a lot of CCTV outside a prison.

:)

Commore
01-Mar-10, 18:34
from wiki

The lurcher is a type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_type) of dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog). Not a pure breed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed), it is a hardy, crossbred sighthound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sighthound), generally a cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_breed_dog) between a sighthound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sighthound) and any other breed, usually a pastoral dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_dog) or terrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier). Collie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collie) crosses have always been very popular given the working instinct of the sheepdog when mated with a sighthound gives a dog of great intelligence plus speed - prerequisites in this type of canine.

Lurchers are now a recognised breed in the Uk.
:)

bekisman
01-Mar-10, 19:04
A response from the usual, defend the indefensible hunting Org members is awaited

Who are these 'org members' Anfield - we don't want a Brawl now do we?

(temp off ignore)

BUT quite agree with what happened as totally abhorrent. Here's another link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8538759.stm

Anfield
01-Mar-10, 19:46
Who are these 'org members' Anfield - we don't want a Brawl now do we?

(temp off ignore)

BUT quite agree with what happened as totally abhorrent. Here's another link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8538759.stm


Maybe some of the posters from thread
http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=97109
would like to make a comment.


I don't get "..we don't want a Brawl now do we?.." could you enlighten me?

bekisman
01-Mar-10, 19:56
Maybe some of the posters from thread
http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=97109
would like to make a comment.

But that's about foxes and they are, as quoted below:

The MFAA Website states: "In Britain the goal is to kill the fox. populations of fox are extremely high and fox are considered vermin"

Farmers don't like em you see...

Anfield
01-Mar-10, 20:08
But that's about foxes and they are, as quoted below:

The MFAA Website states: "In Britain the goal is to kill the fox. populations of fox are extremely high and fox are considered vermin"

Farmers don't like em you see...

Who is/are MFAA?

Some farmers I know banned hunts from crossing their land. That does not strike me as not liking foxes.

Commore
01-Mar-10, 20:25
Who is/are MFAA?

Some farmers I know banned hunts from crossing their land. That does not strike me as not liking foxes.

In my opinion for what it is worth,
it's not a case of liking or disliking foxes, there are other ways of dealing with them or any other vermin,
I am however, very much against fox hunting for human sport.
Some farmers have fear of fox embedded within them, others do not.
It depends on what is being "farmed" and what defences if any, are in place,
I do not think the MFAA, are an authority on agricultural practices on the North Coast of Scotland, every country is different
just as every farmer is different, MFAA are merely expressing an opinion, Ie; not stating an absolute fact.


:)

bekisman
01-Mar-10, 21:29
In my opinion for what it is worth,
it's not a case of liking or disliking foxes, there are other ways of dealing with them or any other vermin,
I am however, very much against fox hunting for human sport.
Some farmers have fear of fox embedded within them, others do not.
It depends on what is being "farmed" and what defences if any, are in place,
I do not think the MFAA, are an authority on agricultural practices on the North Coast of Scotland, every country is different
just as every farmer is different, MFAA are merely expressing an opinion, Ie; not stating an absolute fact.
:)

Exactly - thank you

Anfield
01-Mar-10, 21:51
Can anyone tell me what MFAA is?
I have tried various search engines and can not find any link to this subject matter.

Stavro
01-Mar-10, 21:58
Can anyone tell me what MFAA is?
I have tried various search engines and can not find any link to this subject matter.

Masters of Foxhounds Association of America.

fred
01-Mar-10, 22:38
Pls excuse me.. but what is a Lurcher?? I take it's a breed of dog!

A lurcher is a dog which was cross bred for hunting, you cross a border collie with a greyhound and hope the offspring have the brains of a border collie and the speed of a greyhound...not the other way round.

There are many different crosses used I would imagine the dog in this case would have been a deerhound cross.

bekisman
01-Mar-10, 23:12
Masters of Foxhounds Association of America.



Thanks for that Stav - knew someone would eventually find it - although there is no 's' after Foxhound understand - Americans, phew I don't know..

Anfield
01-Mar-10, 23:41
For anyone who wants to know what the the American "unspeakable pursuing the inedible" do (credit to Oscar Wilde for this quote, old, but never bettered) , take a look at the MFHA (not MAFF as advised by Bekisman) web site.
http://www.mfha.com/home.aspx
Just like the British version they exist for "..supporting the foxhunting community and the hunting sports that are a part of American culture and history.."

I suppose this "culture" started with Bison and since they near exterminated this animal, have steadily worked their way down the list of animals in size order, similar to what the International Whaling Commission did with whales.

It gets better.....

A final proposal for immediate action may be somewhat controversial. We plan to initiate a “covert action” division…espionage and subversion, if you will. This will have two basic thrusts. The first steps will be to quietly infiltrate animal rights and anti-hunting groups by joining them…pretending we agree with them…learning everything we can about their strategy and, most importantly, learning who supports them. It is vital to learn which governmental wildlife management and dog law agency employees belong to and support these groups. This would be a conflict of interest, and would be a firm legal basis for appealing decisions or challenging actions in court. We also need to know what companies support these radical causes, so we can make the information public and organize boycotts. The other covert action would be to infiltrate anti-hunting and animal rights groups meetings, and to participate on the message boards, in order to challenge false or inaccurate information that might influence people who have good intentions, but who do not truly understand the issues. Many of the allegations promoted by these groups are just plain false. We need to stand up and tell them that to their face. The impact of our surveillance and anti-propaganda campaign also will have the effect of creating fear and confusion within the ranks of those who attack us. They will know they are being watched…they will know that we won’t allow their lies to stand unchallenged…and they will know we are taking the names of their supporters and will make the information public.

Stavro
01-Mar-10, 23:47
Thanks for that Stav - knew someone would eventually find it - although there is no 's' after Foxhound understand - Americans, phew I don't know..

:D

Now don't upset our American cousins, beks.

PS Canada 3 - 2 USA :D

gleeber
01-Mar-10, 23:54
It's awful what people are capable off but its in us. Would you believe stavros there's a bit of the beast in everybody? Harldy surprising considering we come from beastdom. We're getting better though. Something like this wouldnt have turned a head 50 years ago but now there's outcry.
Another 50 thousand years and we may all be vegetarians.

bekisman
01-Mar-10, 23:56
:D

Now don't upset our American cousins, beks.

PS Canada 3 - 2 USA :D

I know, my son in Richmond, Toronto was rather pleased to say the least..

bekisman
02-Mar-10, 00:01
For anyone who wants to know what the the American "unspeakable pursuing the inedible" do (credit to Oscar Wilde for this quote, old, but never bettered) , take a look at the MFHA (not MAFF as advised by Bekisman) web site.

Ah, here it is; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/428122.stm

Anfield
02-Mar-10, 00:12
Ah, here it is; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/428122.stm

Thank you for clearing that mystery up - some observations

"..However, the big difference between fox hunting in the UK and the USA is that American hunters do not set out with the intention of killing their quarry.." - very noble.

"..Hunting is a masculine occupation. Most opponents of the hunt are women, seeking a feminisation of society. Violence, for whatever reason, has no place in our struggle.." not very PC

"..Farmers with sheep farms want the animal numbers controlled. In America this is not normally the case. A successful hunt ends when the fox is accounted for by entering a hole in the ground, called an earth. "Once there, hounds are rewarded with praise from their huntsman. The fox gets away and is chased another day."



What, no terrier men to dig out fox, and kill it by bashing spades over its head, that is, if it is lucky to escape from the terriers sent down into the holes

northener
02-Mar-10, 13:36
Maybe some of the posters from thread
http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?t=97109
would like to make a comment.


I don't get "..we don't want a Brawl now do we?.." could you enlighten me?

OK, I'll bite.

I posted on that thread, I've always had lurchers and, in fact, there's one asleep on the floor next to me as I tyope this.

So? What do you want?

northener
02-Mar-10, 13:37
A lurcher is a dog which was cross bred for hunting, you cross a border collie with a greyhound and hope the offspring have the brains of a border collie and the speed of a greyhound...not the other way round.

There are many different crosses used I would imagine the dog in this case would have been a deerhound cross.

As Fred says, it would definitely have been a bigger cross.

ducati
02-Mar-10, 13:40
OK, I'll bite.

I posted on that thread, I've always had lurchers and, in fact, there's one asleep on the floor next to me as I tyope this.

So? What do you want?

Can he tyope?

northener
02-Mar-10, 13:44
Can he tyope?

OK, I lied, this Northeners' lurcher 'Missy' tyoping this, my paws are abit bifg forthe kyebord. Notheners asleep onthe lfoor nxt to mee.;)

ducati
02-Mar-10, 13:46
OK, I lied, this Northeners' lurcher 'Missy' tyoping this, my paws are abit bifg forthe kyebord. Notheners asleep onthe lfoor nxt to mee.;)

Sorry Missy, I though you were a bloke :roll:

ducati
02-Mar-10, 13:49
Sorry Missy, I though you were a bloke :roll:

You will like this Missy; there is a bit of software you can buy that recognises the pattern of keystroke made by a cat walking across the keyboard and doesn't tyope it. :lol:

northener
02-Mar-10, 13:50
For anyone who wants to know what the the American "unspeakable pursuing the inedible" do (credit to Oscar Wilde for this quote, old, but never bettered) , take a look at the MFHA (not MAFF as advised by Bekisman) web site.
http://www.mfha.com/home.aspx
Just like the British version they exist for "..supporting the foxhunting community and the hunting sports that are a part of American culture and history.."

I suppose this "culture" started with Bison and since they near exterminated this animal, have steadily worked their way down the list of animals in size order, similar to what the International Whaling Commission did with whales.

It gets better.....

A final proposal for immediate action may be somewhat controversial. We plan to initiate a “covert action” division…espionage and subversion, if you will. This will have two basic thrusts. The first steps will be to quietly infiltrate animal rights and anti-hunting groups by joining them…pretending we agree with them…learning everything we can about their strategy and, most importantly, learning who supports them. It is vital to learn which governmental wildlife management and dog law agency employees belong to and support these groups. This would be a conflict of interest, and would be a firm legal basis for appealing decisions or challenging actions in court. We also need to know what companies support these radical causes, so we can make the information public and organize boycotts. The other covert action would be to infiltrate anti-hunting and animal rights groups meetings, and to participate on the message boards, in order to challenge false or inaccurate information that might influence people who have good intentions, but who do not truly understand the issues. Many of the allegations promoted by these groups are just plain false. We need to stand up and tell them that to their face. The impact of our surveillance and anti-propaganda campaign also will have the effect of creating fear and confusion within the ranks of those who attack us. They will know they are being watched…they will know that we won’t allow their lies to stand unchallenged…and they will know we are taking the names of their supporters and will make the information public.





As you said, this is an American site. Apart from the fact that is is a Hunting site, what relevance does it have to what happened outside a prison in England?

Anfield
02-Mar-10, 15:15
I don't know, it was Bekiman who first mentioned the weblink to this site.

Maybe he was implying that a lot of people who go fox hunting, also set their dogs onto wild animals. After all there are numerous cases of cruelty to animal convictions for hunt supporters for offences ranging from dog fighting, badger baiting, illegal snaring and the poisoning of birds of prey.

northener
02-Mar-10, 15:48
I don't know, it was Bekiman who first mentioned the weblink to this site.

Maybe he was implying that a lot of people who go fox hunting, also set their dogs onto wild animals. After all there are numerous cases of cruelty to animal convictions for hunt supporters for offences ranging from dog fighting, badger baiting, illegal snaring and the poisoning of birds of prey.

OK.

Whilst I agree that there are probably going to be a lot more convictions involving pro-hunt people as opposed to anti-hunt people, it' is going off at a bit of a tangent. The vast majority who shoot and hunt are certainly not baiters and poisoners.

You'll not find any support amongst the real hunting and shooting brigade for the nasty little shites involved in the incident outside the prison. It says it all that they just dumped the dog and drove off - that's not the mark of a true lurcherman and I certainly would not want to associate myself with anyone who treats dogs and quarry in such a manner.

The people who do things like this are just nasty, cruel thugs. Nothing more.

Anfield
02-Mar-10, 16:02
I agree with you 100% on your defintion of perpetrators of this vile act.

buggyracer
02-Mar-10, 21:19
A lurcher is a dog which was cross bred for hunting, you cross a border collie with a greyhound and hope the offspring have the brains of a border collie and the speed of a greyhound...not the other way round.

There are many different crosses used I would imagine the dog in this case would have been a deerhound cross.


what an uneducated answer :roll: ive heard of pet whippets catching deer, :roll::roll:

Commore
02-Mar-10, 21:29
Can anyone tell me what MFAA is?
I have tried various search engines and can not find any link to this subject matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/428122.stm:)

northener
02-Mar-10, 22:19
what an uneducated answer :roll: ive heard of pet whippets catching deer, :roll::roll:

A whippet won't pull down and hold a fully grown deer.

buggyracer
02-Mar-10, 22:56
A whippet won't pull down and hold a fully grown deer.


i know of 3 unrelated "pet" whippets do just this :roll:

Anfield
02-Mar-10, 23:08
i know of 3 unrelated "pet" whippets do just this :roll:


Being a good citizen, I assume that you have reported this to Wildlife Crime Unit of Northern Constabulary or SSPCA

fred
02-Mar-10, 23:28
what an uneducated answer :roll: ive heard of pet whippets catching deer, :roll::roll:

Well now I'm sure you have.

However I've never heard of anyone going out and hunting deer with a whippet.

buggyracer
03-Mar-10, 09:21
Being a good citizen, I assume that you have reported this to Wildlife Crime Unit of Northern Constabulary or SSPCA

im afraid i didnt Anfield :lol:

sorry to dissapoint you (or not) but all these cases were accidents, where pet dogs were being walked during daylight hours by there owners, they were not hunting dogs and have never hunted but the smell of deer to a dog is a very irresitable one, and the deer appeared right in front of the dogs, unfortunate, yes, but accidental all the same :confused

dogs are also not allowed to hunt/kill mice, how many here would report a dog to the authorities for such an act?

northener
03-Mar-10, 09:34
im afraid i didnt Anfield :lol:

sorry to dissapoint you (or not) but all these cases were accidents, where pet dogs were being walked during daylight hours by there owners, they were not hunting dogs and have never hunted but the smell of deer to a dog is a very irresitable one, and the deer appeared right in front of the dogs, unfortunate, yes, but accidental all the same :confused

dogs are also not allowed to hunt/kill mice, how many here would report a dog to the authorities for such an act?

We're at cross purposes Buggyracer. I'm not talking about dogs putting up a deer by accident (as in the cases you describe), I know a purebred whippet is more than capable of overhauling a deer over a short distance. What I'm saying is that a whippet isn't big enough to confidently pull down and hold a fully grown, healthy deer.
Fred is right when he says that it would be a larger lurcher that would be used to bring down deer successfully.

fred
03-Mar-10, 09:45
We're at cross purposes Buggyracer.

Was that intentional?

buggyracer
03-Mar-10, 09:50
We're at cross purposes Buggyracer. I'm not talking about dogs putting up a deer by accident (as in the cases you describe), I know a purebred whippet is more than capable of overhauling a deer over a short distance. What I'm saying is that a whippet isn't big enough to confidently pull down and hold a fully grown, healthy deer.
Fred is right when he says that it would be a larger lurcher that would be used to bring down deer successfully.

yes a collie cross a bull cross a saluki cross etc etc, not just a deer cross, that was the point i was trying to make to Fred, just because a bull cross is called a bull cross doesnt mean it is responsible for attacking every bull/cow or calf that has been attacked by a dog :roll: and it showed how little they knew on a subject they found fit to comment on :confused

fred
03-Mar-10, 10:05
yes a collie cross a bull cross a saluki cross etc etc, not just a deer cross, that was the point i was trying to make to Fred, just because a bull cross is called a bull cross doesnt mean it is responsible for attacking every bull/cow or calf that has been attacked by a dog :roll: and it showed how little they knew on a subject they found fit to comment on :confused

Hang on a tick, in the post you quoted didn't I say "there are many different crosses used"? Right before I said "I imagine", not definitely would be.

If you're going out to hunt deer you take the best dog for the job, deerhound have been bred to hunt deer for centuries.

fred
03-Mar-10, 10:34
If you're going out to hunt deer you take the best dog for the job, deerhound have been bred to hunt deer for centuries.

Not only have they been bred to hunt deer for centuries, the deerhound cross lurcher is also one of the most intelligent creatures on this planet, they are not pets nor do they want to be pets, they know their purpose in life and they want to be out there in the wild, braving the elements. They are tuned to the peak of physical perfection, a deity of the dog world, they are the best, they know it and they hold their heads up with dignity.

http://www.graven-images.org.uk/temp/doogle.jpg

All apart from Doogle that is.

buggyracer
03-Mar-10, 10:34
Hang on a tick, in the post you quoted didn't I say "there are many different crosses used"? Right before I said "I imagine", not definitely would be.

If you're going out to hunt deer you take the best dog for the job, deerhound have been bred to hunt deer for centuries.

the deerhound of "centuries" ago is not the one we have today, infact the breed was recreated in recent times by crossing other larger breeds with the greyhound ;)


so keep on imagining :lol:

buggyracer
03-Mar-10, 10:38
ps nice dog Fred :D

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/buggyracer/daytime/IMG_4722.jpg

northener
03-Mar-10, 10:41
Was that intentional?

I wish, I aint that sharp.:D

northener
03-Mar-10, 10:48
Ok seeing as this is turning into a 'show us yer lazy, good fornothing thieving lurcher' thread:

'Missy' (currently pulling my wooly hat apart in front of the fire):

fred
03-Mar-10, 10:51
ps nice dog Fred :D


Should be, his dad was Spike.

fred
03-Mar-10, 10:58
Ok seeing as this is turning into a 'show us yer lazy, good fornothing thieving lurcher' thread:


I don't think we're going to get anyone arguing with the subject of the thread, might as well pass the time away somehow.

northener
03-Mar-10, 11:02
I don't think we're going to get anyone arguing with the subject of the thread, might as well pass the time away somehow.

+1 on that.

ducati
03-Mar-10, 11:24
+1 on that.


And turn it into a dogs of indeterminate lineage show!

http://forum.caithness.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5395&d=1267611245

Kayli & Tassy, not the brightest of hounds although they live with 10 cats so hardly suprising. Kayli the black one "flushed" 2 deer in Dunnet Forest the other day. They gave her a look then trotted off disdainfully.

Anfield
03-Mar-10, 12:48
I am sorry to spoil everyones fun, but this is not an online dog show.
To remind you this is a thread about a pregnant deer being savaged by dogs in Lancashire.

To show that it is not just England that has this problem take a look at:
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/158494-deer-killed-after-savage-husky-attack/


The Scottish SPCA is appealing for information after two husky dogs killed two deer in Ayrshire.
Dog walkers witnessed the attack, which took place on Thursday at around 11.30am near Dundonald Castle, Kilmarnock, and called the charity's Animal Helpline.
Sadly, Scottish SPCA ambulance drivers found the doe dead on arrival, while the buck was so badly injured he had to be humanely destroyed.
It is believed that the dogs who carried out the attack had either escaped from a nearby garden or were being walked nearby and their owners had lost control.
Ambulance driver Kerry Miller said: "The dog walkers saw the two huskies dragging the deer around half a mile from the castle car park.
"When we arrived the buck had been mauled and had numerous puncture wounds to its head and body, while the doe had a head injury and was already dead, with stress probably a contributing factor.
"It is extremely worrying that these two dogs were able to carry out this attack. It could be that they have escaped from a nearby garden or were being walked by their owner who has lost control of them.
"Unfortunately there was no sign of their owner but we are hopeful someone in the area may have information.
"We always advise dog walkers to take extra care when they are in areas with wildlife. In this instance, two animals have lost their lives because these dogs were not under their owner's control."
Anyone with information relating to the attack should contact the Scottish SPCA Animal Helpline on 03000 999 999.


Whilst this may not have been a deliberate case of cruelty, it does show the need for dogs to be under owners control at all times. This does not mean that a dog has to be on a lead at all times, but responsible owners will always have FULL control over their dogs at all times.

ducati
03-Mar-10, 13:34
No one is arguing with you. Dogs should be under control, and everyone on this thread has condemned the deliberate cruelty perpetrated by the thugs originally referred to.

I have to say that you are niave in the least if you think you have any control over a thread once it is posted

northener
03-Mar-10, 16:32
I am sorry to spoil everyones fun, but this is not an online dog show.
To remind you this is a thread about a pregnant deer being savaged by dogs in Lancashire.

To show that it is not just England that has this problem take a look at:
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/158494-deer-killed-after-savage-husky-attack/


The Scottish SPCA is appealing for information after two husky dogs killed two deer in Ayrshire.
Dog walkers witnessed the attack, which took place on Thursday at around 11.30am near Dundonald Castle, Kilmarnock, and called the charity's Animal Helpline.
Sadly, Scottish SPCA ambulance drivers found the doe dead on arrival, while the buck was so badly injured he had to be humanely destroyed.
It is believed that the dogs who carried out the attack had either escaped from a nearby garden or were being walked nearby and their owners had lost control.
Ambulance driver Kerry Miller said: "The dog walkers saw the two huskies dragging the deer around half a mile from the castle car park.
"When we arrived the buck had been mauled and had numerous puncture wounds to its head and body, while the doe had a head injury and was already dead, with stress probably a contributing factor.
"It is extremely worrying that these two dogs were able to carry out this attack. It could be that they have escaped from a nearby garden or were being walked by their owner who has lost control of them.
"Unfortunately there was no sign of their owner but we are hopeful someone in the area may have information.
"We always advise dog walkers to take extra care when they are in areas with wildlife. In this instance, two animals have lost their lives because these dogs were not under their owner's control."
Anyone with information relating to the attack should contact the Scottish SPCA Animal Helpline on 03000 999 999.


Whilst this may not have been a deliberate case of cruelty, it does show the need for dogs to be under owners control at all times. This does not mean that a dog has to be on a lead at all times, but responsible owners will always have FULL control over their dogs at all times.

Huskies are notorious for having poor recall (read non-existant recall in most cases) and they will chase and kill anything. Responsible Husky owners are fully aware of the the capabilities of these dogs.

Unfortunately, seeing as these mutts are the latest trendy 'must have' dog amongst the plebs, just watch the incident numbers rise over the next few years......

Going off at a tangent (and I'm pretty certain I commented on this last Winter as well) I noticed that during the heavy snow, I didn't see any huskies out with their owners at all.......but on hot days in the Summer (which huskies cannot cope well with) there were loads out.

Am I missing something here?:confused