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All eyes are on Canada as it is hosting the Winter Olympics but very shortly the same country will be hosting one of the worlds most disgusting and barbaric animal massacres
During Canada's annual seal massacre, hundreds of thousands of baby seals are shot or have their skulls crushed, all for the sake of "fashion." Sealers routinely hook seals in the eye, cheek, or mouth to avoid damaging the pelt, then drag the seals across the ice, in many cases without checking to ensure that they are unconscious.
Baby seals stand no chance against club-wielding trappers, and they must look on as fellow pups are bludgeoned to death before meeting the same bloody fate. The anguish that a mother seal feels as she watches her baby being beaten to death just a few feet away from her is horrifying and can be heard in her desperate cries and seen in her attempts to get to her baby.
If you would like to help stop this disgraceful carnage contact Sea Shepherd at:
http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/
All eyes are on Canada as it is hosting the Winter Olympics but very shortly the same country will be hosting one of the worlds most disgusting and barbaric animal massacres
During Canada's annual seal massacre, hundreds of thousands of baby seals are shot or have their skulls crushed, all for the sake of "fashion." Sealers routinely hook seals in the eye, cheek, or mouth to avoid damaging the pelt, then drag the seals across the ice, in many cases without checking to ensure that they are unconscious.
Baby seals stand no chance against club-wielding trappers, and they must look on as fellow pups are bludgeoned to death before meeting the same bloody fate. The anguish that a mother seal feels as she watches her baby being beaten to death just a few feet away from her is horrifying and can be heard in her desperate cries and seen in her attempts to get to her baby.
If you would like to help stop this disgraceful carnage contact Sea Shepherd at:
http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/
This is an act so evil that it goes beyond what most people can even begin to imagine.
Shame on Canada. :~(
This is an act so evil that it goes beyond what most people can even begin to imagine.
Shame on Canada. :~(
I know Stav and I may not agree on 99% of things but I do here.
Gosh guys, you all sound like Heather Mills....Fine woman!
All eyes are on Canada as it is hosting the Winter Olympics but very shortly the same country will be hosting one of the worlds most disgusting and barbaric animal massacres
During Canada's annual seal massacre, hundreds of thousands of baby seals are shot or have their skulls crushed, all for the sake of "fashion." Sealers routinely hook seals in the eye, cheek, or mouth to avoid damaging the pelt, then drag the seals across the ice, in many cases without checking to ensure that they are unconscious.
Baby seals stand no chance against club-wielding trappers, and they must look on as fellow pups are bludgeoned to death before meeting the same bloody fate. The anguish that a mother seal feels as she watches her baby being beaten to death just a few feet away from her is horrifying and can be heard in her desperate cries and seen in her attempts to get to her baby.
If you would like to help stop this disgraceful carnage contact Sea Shepherd at:
http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/
Gosh, and that is Plagiarism!!! Shame on you!!! s
Shabbychic
25-Feb-10, 17:59
Gosh guys, you all sound like Heather Mills....Fine woman!
Well if I sound like Heather Mills, then I don't mind. I don't care about her personal life, but at least she cares for animals.
It is disgraceful that this barbaric slaughter is still going on in this day and age. Canada should hang it's head in shame.
Gosh, and that is Plagiarism!!! Shame on you!!! s
Sandyr1
(a) In many peoples eyes Canada is just as guilty as Japan for the disgusting slaughter of its marine wildlife.
As Dostoyevsky said "you judge a country by how it treats its weakest members?" or words to that effect
(b) a little plagiarism never hurt anyone, but yes some of post pinched from PETA. 10/10 for observation
Sandyr1
(a) In many peoples eyes Canada is just as guilty as Japan for the disgusting slaughter of its marine wildlife.
As Dostoyevsky said "you judge a country by how it treats its weakest members?" or words to that effect
(b) a little plagiarism never hurt anyone, but yes some of post pinched from PETA. 10/10 for observation
I wonder if Dostoevsky was talking about seals?
I live here and have for 38 years....so I let be what is the norm/ I don't want to decide on rite & wrong. It is a living for some people, in a very poor part of the Country, it takes care of the Cod Stocks, and only the brutal viz(Visual) for TV is shown///TV has an addage...'If it Bleeds it leads' referring exactly to these situations.
And I agree it is not pretty...And my Grandfather was a Gamekeeper and my father went to the Sea ...both in Caithness, and I was brought up with the 'culling' of animals..nicer way to put it.
And perhaps I was putting some levity into the Heather Mills and the Plagiarism thing! Perhaps I should not have, but I accept what I see.
Mind you we were also just like the Japan, killing Whales way back when.
So to each his own, but I am sure that there is the law of supply and demand and the demand for fur has diminished dramatically over the past years, so it is only a matter of time before the 'Seal hunt' will collapse!
I know Stav and I may not agree on 99% of things but I do here.
Thanks for standing up and saying that, beks.
So very, very sad.
All eyes are on Canada as it is hosting the Winter Olympics but very shortly the same country will be hosting one of the worlds most disgusting and barbaric animal massacres
During Canada's annual seal massacre, hundreds of thousands of baby seals are shot or have their skulls crushed, all for the sake of "fashion." Sealers routinely hook seals in the eye, cheek, or mouth to avoid damaging the pelt, then drag the seals across the ice, in many cases without checking to ensure that they are unconscious.
Baby seals stand no chance against club-wielding trappers, and they must look on as fellow pups are bludgeoned to death before meeting the same bloody fate. The anguish that a mother seal feels as she watches her baby being beaten to death just a few feet away from her is horrifying and can be heard in her desperate cries and seen in her attempts to get to her baby.
If you would like to help stop this disgraceful carnage contact Sea Shepherd at:
http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/
hi good point u raised i recognise the sea shepherd is that the boat chasing the japanese fleet hunting wales?
Yes, that is the same one.
They are the only organisation that actually do something about issues.
They were formed in late 1970's by Paul Watson, a founder member of Greenpeace, who was expelled by Greenpeace because he wanted to take action, rather than just film what was happening.
In the early 1980's they (Sea Shepherd) were responsible for the sinking of a number of whaling ships including the notorius Sierra, which operated as a roaming factory ship killing whales whenever it came across them.
it must also be stated that not one person has ever been injured as a result of a Sea Shepherd campaign
northener
25-Feb-10, 20:48
hi good point u raised i recognise the sea shepherd is that the boat chasing the japanese fleet hunting wales?
That's the name of the umbrella organisation and also one of their ships.
They also have the MV's 'Bob Barker' 'Steve Irwin' and used to have a powerboat called the 'Ady Gil' which they lost after a monumental misjudgement on the part of the AG's skipper when harassing a Japanese whaler....Oooops.:eek:
Thanks for standing up and saying that, beks.
So very, very sad.
No probs, some things are right, but this is bloody wrong...
You might want to ask yourselves why the Canadian federal government and the government of Newfoundland are being so unyeilding. That of course would involve looking at both sides of the argument - then you might be able to make an informed judgement. So you are on the internet, the world is at your fingertips, go for it Org!
Here is an interesting source - from the Toronto Globe and Mail, no less.
http://www.thesealfishery.com/
And from an Innuit perspecive:
http://www.thesealfishery.com/articleView.php?id=60&page=0&sub=1&status=0
It's a sore subject I will admit, but my general feeling is that the 'blood & guts' are all that is publicised.
There are the Pros and the Cons and we should respect what the Govt's, two of them, both Federal & Provincial have decreed.
Just remember they are the representatives of the people/ and the people have spoken!
That's the name of the umbrella organisation and also one of their ships.
They also have the MV's 'Bob Barker' 'Steve Irwin' and used to have a powerboat called the 'Ady Gil' which they lost after a monumental misjudgement on the part of the AG's skipper when harassing a Japanese whaler....Oooops.:eek:
Well spotted.
Sea Shepherd started off with an old fishing ship called "Westella" which was bought in Grimsby and sailed around to glasgow for repair work. She emerged as Sea Shepherd and served Sea Shepherd for a number of years with a Scots captain, Capt David Sellars, both in Atlantic and Pacific and also put in a visit to Orkney to protest at the planned seal cull there.
She was invloved in the ramming of the Sierra, and was in the process of being transferred to Sierras owners as Portugese imposed restitution before the decision was made to scuttle her in Portugal. A few weeks later the Sierra also foud its way to the bottom of the sea floor after being "immobilised" by Sea Shepherd.
A second ship St Giles was then purchased and became Sea Shepherd 2 and had her own eventful career
Full history at:
http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/sea-shepherd-history.html
Yoda the flump
26-Feb-10, 00:22
And from an Innuit perspecive:
http://www.thesealfishery.com/articleView.php?id=60&page=0&sub=1&status=0
Interesting article, well worth a read.
Are Sea Shepherd against this as well?
The native population usually have a different reason for killing local wildlife that is not based on the indiscriminate slaughter that they seem to be objecting to.
Here is an interesting source - from the Toronto Globe and Mail, no less.
http://www.thesealfishery.com/
The above website from a NGO person) includes a scientists report which comments on the following:
"..When a hakapik or club is used, the following should be considered:
1. Stunning blows are delivered with the implement to the skull, directly behind the eyes, over the cerebral hemispheres. The blow(s) should be delivered with sufficient force to crush the skull. Many sealers were trained to use three blows.
The IVWG believes that the emphasis should be placed not on the number ofblows, but on achieving the destruction of the whole skull and both hemispheres of the brain to achieve irreversible loss of consciousness, or death..."
Improving Humane Practice in the Canadian Harp Seal Hunt August 2005
Skinning alive. despite lots of film footage this website denys that pups are skinned alive
"..This is one of the most ridiculous and nefarious of the many outrageous statements made by the animal rights movement and, sadly, one that the media “buys into’ without ever researching the myriad of reputable international and domestic studies that show that sealing is simply an outdoor abattoir. An abattoir like any licensed abattoirs throughout western society where the killing is conducted in a proper and humane fashion..". Scientists on the other hand have this to say:
Bleeding, hooking and skinning
The Group noted that many of the IFAW video clips show hunters who did notbleed animals after stunning and before hooking and skinning. Bleeding
(exsanguination) ensures that the animal will not regain consciousness whenhooked or skinned. Live, conscious seals should never be hooked, skinned or bled, and proper palpation of the skull should ensure this.
Bleeding is an important element in the recommended three-step process for humane killing of seals. Some members of the Working Group feel that bleeding should be a requirement of the Marine Mammal Regulations (2003), making it an offence not to bleed a seal before hooking or skinning. Other members of theGroup feel that worker safety and the difficulties presented by the natural environment in which the hunt takes place were considerations that could make such a regulation difficult to apply, specifically in relation to hooking a seal.
The Group recognizes that it may be difficult for hunters to accept the need to wait a period of time after cutting the axillary arteries, before either hooking theseal to bring it back to the boat, or continuing with the skinning process. [It should be noted that the initial cuts required for bleeding are the same as those that are used for skinning.]
All members of the Working Group feel that sealers should make every effort to ensure that a seal is bled before hooking or skinning.
The Working Group feels that it is important to know more about bleed-out times and recommends that research be carried out on this subject, so that a recommendation on the amount of time necessary for complete exsanguination can be made.
(Improving Humane Practice in the Canadian Harp Seal Hunt August 2005)
Every point that this website publishes can be destroyed with proven scientific ststements
The 2005 Independent veterinarian working group report is a pretty good summing up.
It's on the previously cited site.
http://www.thesealfishery.com/
It's on the previously cited site.
http://www.thesealfishery.com/
taken from this site includes the following scientific appraisal:
"..I recently read an article about Watson in the New Yorker and what struck me was the fact that the guy is a life-long loser. He was very late in finishing high-school; he never had a job as a teen but instead lived on a beach, effectively he was a teenage bum; when he did go to university he never finished his degree which interestingly enough was communications rather than anything to do with marine life; when he became interested in roaming the sea he could not apply himself to become a certified captain, the title he uses is basically a joke; finally his actions while trying to “save” different marine species have caused more harm than good to those species and over the span of his “career” he has never saved anything, a life-long loser.."
So I gather Paul Watson would not get a job from these guys.
thesealfishery.com
Defending the indefensible
Shabbychic
26-Feb-10, 17:23
taken from this site includes the following scientific appraisal:
"..I recently read an article about Watson in the New Yorker and what struck me was the fact that the guy is a life-long loser. He was very late in finishing high-school; he never had a job as a teen but instead lived on a beach, effectively he was a teenage bum; when he did go to university he never finished his degree which interestingly enough was communications rather than anything to do with marine life; when he became interested in roaming the sea he could not apply himself to become a certified captain, the title he uses is basically a joke; finally his actions while trying to “save” different marine species have caused more harm than good to those species and over the span of his “career” he has never saved anything, a life-long loser.."
So I gather Paul Watson would not get a job from these guys.
thesealfishery.com
Defending the indefensible
Scientific appraisal?? Sounds like a good auld bitching session to me.:)
I wonder if Dostoevsky was talking about seals?
I live here and have for 38 years....so I let be what is the norm/ I don't want to decide on rite & wrong. It is a living for some people, in a very poor part of the Country, it takes care of the Cod Stocks, and only the brutal viz(Visual) for TV is shown///TV has an addage...'If it Bleeds it leads' referring exactly to these situations.
And I agree it is not pretty...And my Grandfather was a Gamekeeper and my father went to the Sea ...both in Caithness, and I was brought up with the 'culling' of animals..nicer way to put it.
And perhaps I was putting some levity into the Heather Mills and the Plagiarism thing! Perhaps I should not have, but I accept what I see.
Mind you we were also just like the Japan, killing Whales way back when.
So to each his own, but I am sure that there is the law of supply and demand and the demand for fur has diminished dramatically over the past years, so it is only a matter of time before the 'Seal hunt' will collapse!
sandyr1.
The following is taken from a site showing the historical use of seals:
http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-seal-uses.htm
Seal meat was a staple winter food, providing nourishment for both the people and their dogs (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-huskies.htm). Even the fat, blood and eyes were eaten.
The fat was rendered into oil for the kudlik (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-kudlik.htm), a crescent-shaped stone lamp, providing both light and heat.
The skin was used to make clothing (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-clothing-caribou.htm). Sealskin is particularly good for watertight boots (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-inuit-boots.htm), or an "annuraaq" - a cover worn to keep water from getting into a kayak (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-kayak.htm).
The water-resistant nature of the skin also made it good for making boats, tents, and harpoon lines.
Seal bladders were used to make floats to attach to harpoon (http://www.athropolis.com/news-upload/master/12-frames.htm) lines.
After being boiled and scraped, and every bit of nourishment was removed, the bones provided material for tools (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-ulu.htm) and utensils.
Basic Inuit hunting principles (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-inuit-beliefs.htm) were to hunt only what was needed (http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-whaling-inuit.htm), and to use every part of the animal that could be used. Mission accomplished!
Whilst years ago this would have been true, today the situation has changed and a lot of the above uses are redundant .
Whilst I am a vegetarian, I can accept that the Inuits have a right to their culture, and thus they should be allowed to participate in a "subsistence" killing. However, this is vastly different to the large scale killings carried out by non indigenous people of the area where seals are killed
As for cod stocks, look no further than the local cod fishermen, whose overfishing has caused the collapse of cod stocks.
Remember seals and other marine life have lived in equilibrium for millions of years, it is only the interference of man that has caused an imbalance.
The EC banned the import of seal skin many years ago, but like heroin dealers, when a market is closed to them they will merely seek a new one i.e. Asia
Untill industrial fishing, cod populations were not under threat. In other words, seals are not responsible for the fall in cod levels.
The purpose of slaughtering baby seals is to aquire their pelts. It has nothing to do with the Innuit way of life. The use of "a traditional way of life" used to feed the luxuries of capitalist societies. The Innut traditionally hunt seal and use the whole of it. By all means choose to maintain your traditional way of life, but do not hide behind it as funding for your absolutely untraditional way of life. You cannot have it both ways.
And thirdly, and most importantly, the way these animals are slaughtered is not humane. It is not humane from a laymans perspective and it is definatel not humane from a professionals point of view. If for no other reason, this is the one thing that should stop seal culling (as it is so quaintly put) in it's tracks untill animal welfare is guaranteed.
And on a note about something I have often thought and have posted before: why do we call it humane when the only creature capable of cruelty is the human animal?
It's a sore subject I will admit, but my general feeling is that the 'blood & guts' are all that is publicised.
There are the Pros and the Cons and we should respect what the Govt's, two of them, both Federal & Provincial have decreed.
Just remember they are the representatives of the people/ and the people have spoken!
I remain...yours truly.....sr
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